Come on. Seriously?!
Have you taken a look at New Orleans in the past couple of years? What about the Pacific rim countries after the tsunami? What about Mt. St. Helens?
Yeah come to think of it, maybe Atlantis is there after all. Thank goodness the Atlanteans only let certain people become privy to their secrets. When I become one of them is the day I enter the padded cell, never to return to the world of the thinking.

Dude why the hell can you not post pictures if you are supposed to be telling the truth and real place.

lol you guys got duped!


or maybe the aliens who took down atlantis came and took him away...

righto i'll wait for it to come out on DVD.. good luck OP

Something That Doesnt Exist, Can never Be Hidden!
Something That Doesnt Exist, Can never be Destroyed!

Only in your Mind! Only in your Mind!

Good day everyone. Thank you all for your posts and ideas. As you can see I did not just post this and leave it allone. I have been busy today with my daughter. I am busy durring the day and can only write at night or early morning. One of you has pointed out how bad I am at spelling. This is no secret! I am not in this for personal gain or to write a book. I care nothing for such things. All I really want out of life is to be digging up prehistoric animals, and thats all. We all know there is not much money in that. But it is my love and passion and that is what would make me happy! Not money. I have done extensive research on this topic for years. I do research on anything that tickles me. I believe that this is the very reason why I have come up with what I have. The problem with many scientists is that they mainly stick to one subject and axcel at it. I study everything. I see a much larger picture. Not a single brush stroke on a painting as many do but the whole thing. Atlantis is not just purely archaeology but anthropology, geology, geography, climatology, oceanography, meteorology, ancient histroy, forbidden archaeology, cross cultural beliefs + language translations, paleontology, paleoclimatology and so much more. I have studied all of this. It all has a hand in this discovery. I am a professional nerd, so this to me is the thrill of learning and solving a problem. Perhapse some day I'll finally learn to spell, but this is first. I easily understand scepticism, I invite it and expect it. Right now I am trying to track down some sonar and satelite imaging of the site. Soon I'll be bying some maps. One reason why I shall not post the discovery yet is because I am bashing it myself. I am trying to disprove it. I need to do more reading from many different sources still. In geological time the location and time fits perfectly. This is not so with other site that are thought to be Atlantis. I also need to see how some words and texts have been translated from language to language and find flaws in that as well. I need to make sure my theory will withstand a full on assault that I will be getting from a board of inquery.

As for those who want me to spill the beans now....... I have given a ton of clues. Can you figure it out?

To those who boubt me. Tell me why. Don't just come out and say I'm full of it. Yes I do agree I have heard "I have found Atlantis" before. We all have! I could not believe that I said it myself. But what separates me from many people is what I have studied. Not many are willing to go so in depth and into so many different fields of science as a professional nerd like myself will do. I am continually called the knower of random s***. Another reason why I will not spill the beans just yet is purely my lack of trust in people. People in general will jump at the chance to make a fast buck no matter who they must step on in the process. It has already happened to my family and I do not wish to make that mistake again. The automatic transmission was stolen from my great grandfather. I am not the type of person who lies or craves attention. I just wanted to know what possible steps I can make from here. And to give readers here something to look forward to.

I sincerely thank you all again

Utahraptor

Here is your original post: Where exactly are all these clues you mention?




Resting place - a place where movement stops.

That's it.

I should think that if you reveal where "Atlantis came to rest", you wouldn't have to bother with why the other sites are not Atlantis. It would be self apparent.

.....alrighty, assuming you dont believe in atlantis then eh?

OK so "resting place" was not the best choice of words....... The clues come from my post #56. With in it tells you what you must study to find Atlantis. One of them is such a dead give away!

I'm thinking the major clue is the language translations part. It's the part you seemed to be stressing in the center of the sentance.

So.... you saw a painting of something and somehow SAW Atlantis depicted in the picture? Since you didn't mention any languages in particular, it seems there is a more or less general consensus that Basque and etruscan languages were the first, and all the Indo-European languages had a common root. So, since that is a very complicated word study, I'm assuming that the origins of language is not what you are referring to. You're referring to something and wondering if it means the same thing in more than one language?



What geological time? Plato's - of about 11,000 years ago, or the other argument that a decimal was moved in translation to make it about 1,100 years ago?

All I'm guessing is this...

Can you cut with the carp and just lay out your hypothesis?
Its starting to sound like one of those "Can you guess??" or What do you see??? bs threads.

I'm all for Atlantis and UFO's, but when the people who may believe it as possible, start saying it time to cut to the chase, you better lay something out or your going to lose what few friends you could have here.

If I genuinely believed I had made a monumental discovery like Atlantis, I'd want to submit my findings to a peer reviewed academic journal or at least to someone else who was trusted and qualified to do so before giving it all away here on some relatively anonymous web forum and risk losing any credit for having found it first.

UM is not a relatively Anonymous Web Forum, But it is one of the best Forums on the net!
I dont use any other forum, but just UM!

As you have said, its all the better to get it appraised by experts!

I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the UM forum at all! It's a fine forum.

I'm just saying it's not the first place I would use to announce a globally significant find. (And certainly not buried half way through a normal thread) Maybe after I had already published my findings.

For sure - but why bring it up on a forum at all then? Most authors I've read, did not dump out all their information on a forum somewhere first. That's the whole point of writing a book, so you do get the recognition of it being YOUR theory. Getting published is a very difficult thing to do, especially in the scientific world. If one has excellent documentation, maps, satellite shots, explanations, proven data etc. etc. etc., one MIGHT get National Geographic or Science Magazine to do an article. THAT makes the theory published, with an indisputable date and anyone can take it from there. The topper would be to see if one could find artifacts of some sort in the area that could be dated. I doubt it will say "made in Atlantis", but at least if there are datable items, one can decide if further money should be invested in searching the area.

Yeah I agree. But I think the person who started this thread was just asking for advice on where they could take their information to get it checked out rather than talking about the discovery itself. They obviously thought it was big. Although I think it's unlikely, it's not impossible and who I am to decide without knowing any details?

I'd follow the advice the first replies gave and take it to a university if they feel that strongly about it. I can understand if they don't want to give details here. That's not why they started the thread.

Thank you Ins0mniac.

The time of 11k yrs ago not 1.1k with the decimal point translation error. The one big problem with Thera is in no texts at all does it say Atlantis was more or less blown up. Earthquakes and flooding yes but not being blown out of existance like Thera was. The irratication of Thera was the beginning of the end for the Minoan people.

I'm looking at the languages that the legends have come from and the translation to others eventually reaching English. There are more people than just the Greeks that have their legends. People much closer to the site than that. As well as closer to the time frame we are speaking of.

Think I'm BSing you all you want. I care not. I know what I know and found what I have found. Nothing you can say will waver me from this. Even IF the location ends up being wrong. I have exactly what happened back then and the correct location can be found more easily. That is agian if I am wrong.... If I am so be it. I can take it. But what if I'm not and there really is an unnamed and unknown civilization that hides beneath the waves. A civilization that really did know crystal technology. Technology far surpassing our own. They would not be the only ones. There are many marvels that defy explanation even with our vast knowledge of many things in the present day. In many respects we are just now starting to scratch the surface of what many ancient people knew as common place back in the day. So what if I'm wrong. But, what if I'm right? I'm willing to take that risk! How many others are?

So what's your point with this thread? If you've got something, put it out there for the UM community to discuss.

If not, meh. You're wasting our time.

So what you want us to guess? Are you thinking maybe Egypt is Atlantis? How about ancient China? Maybe the Black Sea region? Give us some more hints.

If you're not in it for the money take it to a couple of universities. Try for around the area you have found it so they are familiar with the archaeology of the area. I am not being harsh by saying this ( because I have shocking spelling myself and put everything through spell-check) but get someone to proof your work first.

You'll get taken much more seriously by professionals if your work written in a more professional manner. The maid thing stuck out to me heaps. These small things will hurt your credibility before you even start. Good luck

Hi Utah
I've been in a forum for 2 years now, where the major argument is over language and it's interpretations. One person who has studied old languages argues that only Plato's writings on Atlantis should be considered because he's the only one who went into such descriptive detail, and basically it was Plato that brought Atlantis to people's attention. My argument was that one had to consider what all else was happening at the time period and study other writers to find out. No matter what author I quoted, he found some way to show it was all irrelevant. I'm fairly tired of the language argument actually. Almost every word of Plato was torn apart and put back together again, did he say this and mean that, did some scribe write things down wrong, what was the mind set of Plato when he wrote, did he use a formal language to write, or did he use the current vocabulary of the day, etc. etc. etc.
I've been in forums where a person offered a theory and was so excited about it, they went off the rails (this has happened more than once) and thought someone was trying to kill them because they found out too much, the men in black had warned them off, their pictures were disappearing off the internet, etc. etc.
Personally, I do think there was an advanced civilization in the past. My main question has always been "how far in the past? Because I don't believe the time lines that have been proposed so far are correct. I believe the ancient writings are valid. The Indian Vedas, the Sumerian texts, the Mayan calendar - these are not a figment of someone's imagination thousands of years ago. If all these works are fiction, who was advanced enough at the time to dream it all up? It takes hundreds of years for the evolution of anything, whether it's man himself, or an idea or a theory. Man has to be capable of even having an idea in the first place, and then developing a resultant technology from that idea. Orthodox Egyptologists accept that the "recent" Egyptians built the pyramids, with all it's attendant engineering feats, knew the placement of the planets and stars, knew about the recession of the quinoxes, knew trigonometry, and who knows what else - had developed the powers of the mind to know to research all these things, and yet at the same time, they thought the earth was flat. That they also built those pyramids with stone and copper tools. The end resultant building defies the logic and the tool technology. Therefore, someone had to teach those people all that they knew because there is a gap between the copper/bronze age mentallity, and the pryamid technology mentality.
Whether or not these "teachers" were called Atlanteans, Atalantes or whatever, there was, in my opinion, definitely an advanced society in the past. If you've found it, congratulations.

I agree. Though I would go a little further to say Only in Platos Mind. Other people just steal and misinterpret what was in his mind

I am more interested in another civilization's writing more than Plato's. This civilization was kicking around 3,000 years before Plato. They are the Mayans. They wrote of Atlantis. More pointedly not 1 but 10 kingdoms of Atlantis. The Mayans too had great detail. There are many similar writings between them and Plato. The Mayan people called this place or places, Mu or Muu how ever you wish to spell it. Untill recently I had always thought that Atlantis and Mu were two completely seperate places. I have reason to believe now that they are one and the same. Don't get me wrong I am still reading of Plato of coarse. But I can not ignore a group of people who were also terrifically advance as well. I feel that these people very much knew what they were talking about. Only time may tell if I am correct or not. What ever the out come may be, I am haveing an absolutle blast trying to come up with the answer.

OK, fair enough that you don't want to say where it actually is, but would you mind telling us what you based your research on?

There isn't any other account of Atlantis other than Plato's which is well recognised to be a political allegory. And don't say that the Egyptians knew, because where did this idea come from? Plato. There is no independant proof that they did.

Likewise, there isn't any other account of Mu other than Le Plongeon's in the mid 1800s, who based his research on a translation system we now know to be wildly inaccurate.

Likewise again with Philip Sclater's description of Lemuria (again in the mid-1800s when interest in lost continents was at a peak) who used the idea of a sunken continent to explain matching Lemur fossils on different continents - unaware of course that this is now explained by continental drift.

All of these claims were previous to our discovery of plate tectonics - which made all of the above "lost continents" impossible. We now have scientific and historic evidence to discount the existence of all of them.

So. Other than the questionable writings of the above 3 men, where is your research? Have you done any translations yourself, or are you relying on others (something that will pretty much void your claim straightaway)?



Er... how is this a problem? Its precisely the people who believe in not being an expert and taking a holistic view who are the problem, as they mis-read data and are much more prone to fitting the answers to their beliefs, rather than an actual expert who finds something then tries to explain it.

All pseudo-historians do is have a fully formed conclusion and fit the data around it.

What you are saying is in part Truth UtahRaptor.
The Egyptians, the Mayans, the Chinese, the Europeans and the North American Mi'kmaqs were all civilizations that were connected to each other. But the crazy relationship, that i have researched and found myself - is the languages.
They all have some sort of resemblance in their writings.
The only thing that makes this possible is boat travel and starting new civilizations elsewhere on this planet. How simple a concept can that be?!?!
All of the pyramids of the world are part of this great social Atlantean network. The technology and the power to acheive these great things existed then, and since just erased themselves from history. Why? We dont know.

But one thing is certain, since the Egyptians and the Mayans had extremely descriptive versions of Atlantis in their history - and probably where they got their knowledge from - Atlantis existed.

Does anyone know what happened to that escursion that was said to go down to the depths of the bahams to research a sunken city with a glowing pyramid? The last known news was 2001!

The Mayans did not write about Atlantis or Mu. However, Adrian Gilbert in his book, The Mayan Prophecies speculated their was a corrolation. I will review the book from my library, but basically he ties in ideas from Edgar Casey about the location of Atlantis in the West Indies and Bimini. An old theory.

What was the point in me writing that post if people just aren't going to take any notice?

THERE IS NO PROOF OF THE EGYPTIANS OR MAYANS WRITING ABOUT A LOST CONTINENT.

That's because - gasp - it wasn't real!

lol. Not a day for sceptics...

Pffff. Apparently not.

I'm with the sceptic girl on this one. (Way to go, girl!)

I, although not being an expert on this subject (or any other subject), assume that you, excluding the possibility of you being a hoax, somehow took thesis'es for which there is no evidence at all as a basis for your reflections on this subject. While I surely hope for the existence of Atlantis, I don't find it plausible that one could discover its location just like that.

If I should be mistaken, I'll gladly shoot myself in the head.

Sincerely,
Mucker

Well, We cannot say the OP are nut crack! Let's see if we al will be fooled or he's being honest.

Gonna wait for this, being a joke or not.

Oh, and in responce to the OP's first question, the main way of going about this would be to write an academic paper on the subject and sending it for publication in a respected archeology journal, like the AJA.

If they refuse to publish it, its back to the drawing board. This is how we sort the wheat from the chaff. Most of the nonsense you read on the internet is on the internet for the simple reason that no-one will publish it. If its backed up with proper research and water-tight, I'm sure you will have no problem. However, I'm just as sure that this isn't the case.

You have made some excellant points especially post 77.

The two problems with this thread is that the OP admits he doesn't want to write a book and is not good at grammar/spelling. I don't see how he could put together a presentation without first writing about it. Secondly, he hasn't told us anything.

I stand by my orginal post....I doubt we will see anything new here.

There is no "Mu" in the Mayan mythos.

Augustus Le Plongeon made that up.


He thought he was translating a text that contained words when in fact it was primarily numbers he was looking at.

Shows how far off that dude was.

Mayan glyphs were finally and definitively translated only in the early 1980's, so I don't usually poke fun at Le Plongeon.


Harte

E-I,

Haven't you claimed somewhere around here that you know something about ancient Egypt?

You just blew your moron cover.

Please read what the illustrious Emma wrote:


There is not a single shred of evidence in any Egyptian relic ever found of anything that even remotely resembles Atlantis or any other "lost continent."

Busted!



What? Sure we can!

The OP is a NutCrack.

Whatever that means.

Emma,

Sorry for my post on Le Plongeon, I posted that before I saw that you'd already pointed this out - not that anyone would notice (apparently.)

Keep up the good work. You know I love you.

Harte

Who cares if he "found Atlantis". I say close this thread and ban him. Honestly, this thread is a waste of time.

If you actualy found atlantis, tell us about it when you are ready to disclose. Otherwise, cut the games and grow up (for real).

Well, Basque and Etruscan are language isolates, meaning that they are not related to the others around them. All we can say is that they are /different/ from the Indo-European languages around them; we cannot say for sure whether they were older or younger than the Indo-European ones (and that would depend more on the specific geographically place you were talking about, anyway).




Indeed, there are not really /texts/ -- plural -- about Atlantis at all. There are two dialogues of Plato (Timeaus and Critias) that name it, and in the Timeaus it's just a mention.
That's the sum of any "historic" references to Atlantis, and its use is pretty arguably completely allegorical.

--Jaylemurph

It amazes me how easily this board is trolled. This wasn't even a good troll job either.

James Churchward wrote a book, "Children Of Mu". Is this a good source? Because he explained the offspring civilizations of Mu. He stated writings and artifacts that point out that this civilizations came from Mu, like Egypt and the Mayans, and of course, Atlantis.

...hes playing games. can a mod lock this thread? and raptor, nobody is going to play your childish guessing games. when you have real information to present to people other than "i saw the whole painting" then start a topic about this. but its clear to everybody on the forum that youre not providing any real information about anything and its getting dumb. really.

sorry if im harsh.

From an historical viewpoint? Clearly not, as there are no actual reference in Egyptian or Mayan mythologies to "lost continents" or "Mu", and that even suggesting lost continents are real places based on pure fiction (in the case of Atlantis) or alleged mythology is a gross error in procedure, if not out and out logic.

However, if the realities of history, science and education aren't to your tastes, and you want to believe in the mythic past spite of the facts, by all means, pick up Churchward's book. Just don't confuse it with real history.

--Jaylemurph

utahraptor, is it under the Sahara?
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No - it's under Tibet I know that for a fact because I read a book about it

Actually, I did read a book by the Tibetan monk, T. Lobsang Rampa, and he did say he and some other monks found a cave hidden in Tibet that would be termed a "time capsule", as in that cave was a bunch of "advanced technological" gizmos, including a device that when activated explained what the cave was and why it was made. The cave was for future man to find, and if able to handle the knowledge fine, if not, please seal up the cave when you leave. Since these monks were especially highly trained, and since of course, the "film" couldn't show the end of mankind as it was then, these monks decided to astral travel to the akashic records to see what happened. Apparently it was almost total anniliazation for most of the world except for little pockets of humanity here and there. Needless to say, the monks re-sealed the cave, however, they figure it won't be long before outsiders find it.

It kind of dismisses any notion that the book might be real when you find out that this "tibetian" was actually a guy called Cyril Hoskin and came from Devon.

Awww!!!! So sweet. Tho to be honest, its probably best if you repeat what I say - no one listens to me anyway!!!

Also at least one of his books was written by channeling the thoughts of his cat. The guy is a scam artist. I think he only went to India once for a couple weeks.

"So guys, what shall we put on the cover?"

"Er... a guy with a cat on his head?"

"You're fired"