Source: Prison Planet



I know, I know, Prison Planet is not well thought of, but they are quoting the former Italian PM who was originally speaking with an Italian Newspaper, Corriere della Sera.

As I have in the past, and will do again here, for anyone who doubts the US government has been involved in acts of civilian terrorism, look into Operation Gladio and the Strategy of Tension.

I saw this article this morning...very interesting that a former president would accuse the CIA and mossad of 9/11....maybe INTERPOL will break the case?..

Or the cia and mossad will take out the x prez

Lol, maybe. Or, maybe it'll be ignored or dismissed. The interesting thing here for me is that this is the guy who revealed publicly, for the first time, that the CIA and Italy's secret service were in league with one another, bombing civilians in Italy and framing the Communists.

In my view, this guy has credibility. But of course, this is just his opinion currently. I'd be real interested to see if he has any evidence to back him up.

I'm sure most governments know h.keith henson is the mastermind of 9/11. along with his cia cronies..there above any laws..they are spooks..

I doesn't matter. Bush & Dick could come out and say "911 was an inside job, we did it" and the average dope would be like "thats not what Popular Mechanics sayzzz.....duhhhh".

Nice one el midge

Regarding the comments of Francesco Cossiga, it would be of more use if he explained exactly what he knows or what drew him to his conclusion. Looking at his history, he was supported somewhat at stages by the Italian Social Movement/Italian Communist Party which will not stand well with sceptics. Until we have details, he is just another high-profile figure disputing the official 9/11 line.

i was sold on this when i found out about operation northwoods

Aha, see coughymachine, it is worth 'regurgitating' the Northwoods document!

Lol.

However, had 'unit' been aware of Operation Gladio and The Strategy of Tension, there would have been no need!

For those of you not familiar with it, follow the link and read about it. It's quite a lengthy read, but it desrves to be set in context.

One of the mosts shocking things - once you get over the fact that the CIA was involved in blowing up innocent Italians - is that the EU even passed a resolution condemning the operation. Yet, notwithstanding that, it still remains relatively low profile as far as the general public are concerned.

the CIA is so nefarious...they are behind 9/11 im sure of it...what do you think they do?...deal drugs?...provocate terror?..sell body parts?...no those are just sidelines...what they actually do is?....good question.

I am just wondering about your theory on how Al-Qaeda is possibly an Operation Gladio styled stay behind unit, coughymachine. Do you believe Osama Bin Laden is still in contact with the CIA and/or ISI or did the relationship breakdown somewhere along the line? I have a few other questions depending on your answer to that one.

In sum, I think it's possible that al Qaeda 'cells' are basically modern-day Galdio stay-behind armies and that the current War on Terror is simply a modern-day Strategy of Tension.

I think bin Laden is a diversion - a Goldstein.

Beyond that, I have a clear idea of how I think this relationship might operate but to express it here, without any real evidence, would be folly.

What I've said so far can be supported, in part, by the historical relationship between US intelligence agencies and groups that have been used to act on their behalf. A clear example of this is the mujahideen in Afghanistan during the Afghan-Soviet War, who were acting at the behest of and with the support of the CIA via the ISI and the MAK. Another is Jundullah, a Baluchestan-based 'terrorist' organisation that is affiliated with al Qaeda and is presently said to be acting on behalf of the CIA in Iran in order to destablise that country.

Expressing ideas that are possible and supported to be likely is not folly (well not with me anyway). So, assuming elements of Al Qaeda including Osama Bin Laden are still in contact directly or indirectly with the CIA: -

1. What were the purpose of Al-Qaeda attacks directed at the US pre-9/11?
2. How does the theory fit with the seemingly faked videotape ‘found’ by US forces in Jalalabad in 2001?
3. How does this fit with Osama Bin Laden’s protest of innocence in an interview with Pakistan’s Daily Ummat newspaper?
4. If Osama Bin Laden is working with Western intelligence, why did he not claim responsibility for the attacks immediately after 9/11?

These are the first points that come to mind which do not sit quite straight with the Gladio-style theory. I am not at all saying the theory is wrong, I just would like to hear someone else’s opinion of how the whole Al-Qaeda, 9/11 and War on Terror scenario falls into place.

I'll give this a go.


Let's start by listing the attacks attributed to al Qaeda and the numbers of casualties involved.

• December 29, 1992 - two bombs in two hotels in Yemen apparently designed to kill US troops on their way to Somalia. No US fatalities since the troops were staying at a different hotel.
• February 26, 1993 - the first WTC bombing. Six killed. You'll be aware, no doubt, that the FBI had an informant and are believed by some to have been instrumental in the plot itself.
• January, 1995. At around this time, the Bojinka Plot was foiled. It was allegedly a plan designed to blow up a number of planes and also fly others into buildings in the US, most notably the CIA's HQ.
• August 7, 1998 - simultaneous bombs at two American embassies - one in Nairobi (Kenya), the other at Dar es Salaam (Tanzania). 212 were killed - 210 Kenyans and 11 Tanzanians.
• October 12, 2000 - the suicide attack on the USS Cole. 17 killed.

So prior to September 11, 2001, al Qaeda had killed around 25 Americans in various 'terrorist' attacks (if I've missed any, forgive me).

To answer your question re: purpose - psychological preparation.

I would just add to this list the Bali bombings in 2002, which were principally aimed at Australia. There is a very interesting and oft-forgotten aspect to these bombings. KSM, the putative architect of 9/11, 'confessed' to the Bali bombings. But, the then-Indonesian Prime Minister has also asserted that he believes the order to go ahead with them was given by the Indonesian authorities. If you connect the dots, and assume both parties are telling the truth, then Bali was a flase flag attack, carried out by al Qaeda operatives. The question is, for whom?


I'm not so sure the video is faked. I'm pretty sure the translation is flawed though.


Bin Laden has apparently protested his innocence several times where 9/11 is concerned, and also where some of the other plots listed above were concerned. I think it's quite possible bin Laden is dead and has been for some considerable time. I think it's also possible he's a Lee Harvey Oswald type figure - assuming, that is, you accept that LHO was probably a patsy as conspiracy theories suggest.


See above.


I understand. And I'm not making the claim that my ideas are watertight. Further, I don't mean to suggest that Gladio is a precise model but that it provides us with an idea of the sort of framework within which this type of relationship could work.

Not trying to be rude, but....

Anyone with a brain can recognise that this Mr Fat Nose (ON THE LEFT) from the 2001 fake confession video is not the REAL Osama bin Laden (ON THE RIGHT).

fake video, OBVIOUSLY.

Some more pictures for comparison of the FAKE "confession video" Mr Fat Nose compared to REAL Osama bin Laden

Even half-blind Mr Magoo would have to say that Osama 'E' stands out like a sore thumb, and this is the man on the "confession" tape. Between the nose and the cheeks it is clear that this man is NOT Osama.

As Riaz Durrani, a spokesman for Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam, which spearheaded pro-Taliban rallies in Pakistan, said back in 2001 about the above tape: "This videotape is not authentic. The Americans made it up after failing to get any evidence against Osama."

Do you really believe that he dyed his beard black and became YOUNGER as well?!

The 2004 "Osama" was fake too -

The 2004 FAKE video - fake Osama bin Laden vs real Osama bin Laden. I guess he must have a shapechanging head and nose too.



Old bin Laden tapes, sent as new tape
http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/nov-tape.txt" target="_blank">http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funeral/nov-tape.txt


Proof Bin Laden Tape Is 5-Year-Old, Re-Released Footage
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2...7oldfootage.htm" target="_blank">http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2...7oldfootage.htm



On previous occassions that NAMED voice analysis experts (as compared to the ANONYMOUS ones like US and Israeli media apparently prefer) discovered that previous "Osama bin Laden" tapes have been fake;

Bin Laden tape 'not genuine'
Bin Laden tape a fake, Swiss lab says
Bin Laden video is compilation of repeats, says expert
Duke Professor Skeptical of bin Laden Tape

good post lovely ...usama bin ladins been dead since 2001...

Yes, he's long dead. Only the Western media and governments propaganda pretends that he's still alive.



White House Gets Defensive Over Accusation Bin Laden Is Dead
Usually obedient press corps ask how a dying man on a dialysis machine can survive in remote Pakistani hill caves for six years
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2...inladendead.htm" target="_blank">http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/july2...inladendead.htm

Of course, the news of Osama bin Laden being dead came out nearly six years ago. He died on the 16th December 2001, and this was reported throughout Asia and the Middle East about ten days later. Some members of his family attended his funeral in Afghanistan. He died from kidney failure and a lung infection.

According to the Pakistani press, and the Egyptian newspaper, al-Wafd, (Wednesday, December 26, 2001 Vol 15 No 4633) Bin Laden died in December 2001 of pulmonary complications incident to catastrophic kidney failure, in the absence of available hygienic dialysis.

The Egyptian newspaper al-Wafd published an article dated Wednesday, December 26, 2001, (Vol 15 No 4633) describing bin Laden's funeral:
"News of Bin Laden's Death and Funeral 10 days ago
ISLAMABAD - A prominent official in the Afghan Taleban movement announced yesterday the death of Osama bin Laden, the chief of al-Qa'da organization, stating that binLaden suffered serious complications in the lungs and died a natural and quiet death. The official, who asked to remain anonymous, stated to The Observer of Pakistan that he had himself attended the funeral of bin Laden and saw his face prior to burial in Tora Bora 10 days ago. He mentioned that 30 of al-Qa'da fighters attended the burial as well as members of his family and some friends from the Taleban. ..."


This is a scan of Osama bin Laden's funeral notice

Israeli intelligence: Bin Laden is dead, heir has been chosen
http://216.26.163.62/2002/me_terrorism_10_16.html" target="_blank">http://216.26.163.62/2002/me_terrorism_10_16.html
http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funer...srael-intel.txt" target="_blank">http://www.welfarestate.com/binladen/funer...srael-intel.txt

Usama bin Laden has died a peaceful death due to an untreated lung complication, the Pakistan Observer reported, citing a Taliban leader who allegedly attended the funeral of the Al Qaeda leader. "The Coalition troops are engaged in a mad search operation but they would never be able to fulfill their cherished goal of getting Usama alive or dead," the source said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,41576,00.html

Osama bin Laden is dead. The news first came from sources in Afghanistan and Pakistan almost six months ago: the fugitive died in December [2001] and was buried in the mountains of southeast Afghanistan

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/11/opinion/...todaysheadlines" target="_blank">http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/11/opinion/...todaysheadlines

Bush needs bin ladin alive, so he can keep draining the treasury. to get the invisible enemy...I blame the CIA for this ruse..they are the ones making the faked tapes i believe..

Honestly, I think the tapes come from more than one group. They are very amateurish.

why do they keep verifying them?....

It suits the neocons' purposes to slander Arabs.

Remember that case where a guy deliberately faked a beheading video, the FBI said it was real & confirmed it, then the creator of the video came forward to announce what he'd done. He was trying to point out how fake the Nick Berg beheading video was, and how politically biased the FBI and CIA were.

So, you're 'not trying to be rude', but you nonetheless accuse me of being brainless. Nice one.

Firstly, revisit what I said:

and...

So, I'm not arguing it was genuine, but that I wasn't sure it was faked. Further, I also believe he has probably been dead for some time. And even if he's not, I'm arguing that he's a Goldstein-type figure, wheeled out when the terror agenda needs re-stating.

The reason I'm not so sure the 'fat' bin Laden video is faked is because of this well-considered article from Muckraker Report. He argues that the aspect ratio on the screenshots that were widely distributed were wrong and that, once corrected, the person in the video does indeed bear a strong resemblance to bin Laden. Here is one of the images, captured from the 'fat' video that has had the aspect ratio properly adjusted (right). It is shown alongside an image regarded as being genuine for comparison.



I have to say it looks like him to me, but I still remain unconvinced either way.

the picture on the left has been altered to look like mr fatnose...I think the muckracker report is probably done by the CIA?..

The image you posted is also in the Muckraker Report article I linked to.

The bottom line is, if the widely distributed 'fat' bin Laden video used the wrong aspect ratio, then it's no good for the purposes of comparison. The Muckraker Report claims it is using the adjusted one, which it argues demonstrates that the figure's facial dimensions are consistent with known genuine images of bin Laden.

It's not proof the video is genuine, but it casts enough doubt on claims that it's fake to leave me undecided one way or the other.

what about these new videos? they smack of hollywood productions on the cheap...this is a propoganda war...and bush is sided with the enemy...alqaeda has shown there ineptitude over the last 6 years..where are all these attacks on western interests?..their arent any!...yet we are being warned 24/7 that there gonna get us...

Somehow, my suggestion that I remain unconvinced that the 'fat' video is fake is in danger of being translated into a sense that I believe al Qaeda is exactly what the authorities say it is. Nothing could be further from the truth.

I think it is much more likely that al Qaeda is the collective term for a number of *US-backed Gladio-stlye cells that are used today to prosecute a Strategy of Tension type campaign - one we call the War on Terror.

I have also, on many occasions, suggested that bin Laden is a Goldstein-type figure, wheeled out by the US when they need to whip the American people up into a 'two minutes hate'. Everything about bin Laden - and a great deal about al Qaeda - appears stage managed.

I think there's a good chance either bin Laden is dead - a Saddam-type friend turned 'foe' character - or else is actually contributing to the deception, whether actively or passively.

* Note: By US-backed, I mean more likely CIA-backed, though I think any alliance between the US and al Qaeda is likely through an intermediary, such as the ISI.

There is a rumor that the guy who did "Super-Size Me" may have found Osama while shooting his new documentary "Where in the World is Osama". He is being tight lipped about it but one of the guys who worked on the project with him said "we definitely got the holy grail". That was six months ago but its been going around lately like a rash. http://www.variety.com/article/VR111796623...=1&nid=2562

At the very least, I suspect they will bring new information to light. Anyway, I believe the Osama documentary premiers in January..............


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHaFXjZrYDM

Thanks for your version of events you posted, coughymachine.

After ‘attempting’ to research Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda myelf, my conclusion is… we have dead ends and contradictions at every turn! Not very helpful, though here are a few of the more interesting snippets I could ascertain (some opinion, some fact): -

• Viewing the history of Osama Bin Laden it seems likely he is/was not a permanent CIA asset. That is not to say the stories of ‘Tim Osman’ were not true during the time of the Afghan/Soviet war. The CIA did likely keep some contacts within Al Qaeda following the Soviet withdrawal though – it would seem foolish of them not to.
  
  
• Agents of the Bin Laden Issue Station, a CIA unit formed to track Bin Laden in 1996, infiltrated Afghan militant units and Al Qaeda in 1999. The fact Cofer Black described this as the “largest collection and disruption activity in the history of mankind” says to me there were definitely agents ‘inside’.
  
  
• Leading on from the above point, it was in 1999 that the Hamburg cell comprising of the hijackers Mohamed Atta, Marwan al-Shehhi and Ziad Jarrah, plus other figures linked with the 9/11 plot decided to visit Afghanistan and join with Al Qaeda. Another four of the hijackers - Hamza al-Ghamdi, Ahmed al-Ghamdi, Saeed al-Ghamdi, and Ahmed al-Haznawi - met in 1999. There is evidence a further eight of the hijackers joined with Al Qaeda in 1999 – early 2000.
  
  If you missed the trick – that is 15 in total of the supposed hijackers who aligned themselves with Al Qaeda only after Cofer Black’s infiltration plan began.
  
  
• It was not until 1999 that Osama Bin Laden’s network became widely known as Al Qaeda.
  
  
• Osama Bin Laden likely died in 2001.

The above all lead me to believe that the CIA had inside men and Osama Bin Laden was setup through being video taped and having dealings with these infiltrators. It is quite possible that Bin Laden was not even aware of the impending 9/11 operation and it may have come as quite a surprise to him when he realised the ‘jihadists’ who had been working under him, had carried out the attacks.

Sorry. I'm out when you post Prison Planet. Thats one crazy website.

Well, here is the original article from the Corriere della Sera and Babel Fish incase you do not speak Italian.

Why bother? Its easier to just let them keep their heads in the sand. Like he said, "hes out when you post Prison Planet", no attempt to go to the source, check facts or think for himself. His brand of reality is the corporate media like Fox news and theres no way they will ever tell the flock that most of the world doesn't buy the official story. Its ignorance by choice.

Thanks for the compliments. I guess ignorance is bliss. My realtiy is the real world. Yours is CT's. I bet I enjoy mine more. Guess what. If all the CT's are true why live. Because if they are true you will never be able to change one bit of it. NWO baby.

So, don't think the former Italian president said that? Its a "CT"? LOL

Like I said, its easier to just let people like you keep their heads in the sand. Even when faced with facts, you choose close your eyes to them to maintain your "real world".

I'll keep them closed then. You keep yours open .It will change nothing. Good luck to you.

The Italian president looked as old as god. He might just be senile. Boo ya.

Now you are creating a mythology to support your "real world". Got any evidence to back that claim up or are you just spinning your own "CTs"?

I just made an observation. Nothing more. I can't spin a top much less a CT.

Somehow I am not surprised.

I love you too. Have a happy holidays.

luv you too eric but dont derail the thread...coughy and others are onto something here....binladin isnt the enemy!..he's the scapegoat...

The only way we can confirm that is tell us muckraker claims the error in aspect ratio was. I've heard similar excuses, and tried it, and the image never matched.

For all we know, that second image was morphed to look more like Bin Laden.

We need to know what they say the error in ratio by percentage exactly was, according to "muckraker" then we can check their claim

with the current technology on the planet, college kids could make these videos and pictures...but we have a clandestine agency to make them..

So is FOX, MSNBC, and most others...so?

For all we know, some of these fake audio tapes and fake videos are made by college kids, they might be over-enthusiastic young Republicans.

No I think theres something more nefarious going on here; involving the NWO politicians and the CIA/NSA...whenever they need a bogeyman usama or zawahari pops up...i'm pretty sure zawahari's making tapes for the US to promote terror...and usama will live forever on the cutting room floor..

I didn't offer an 'excuse', just an alternative option to consider. For some reason, you've latched on to this issue and seem to have attached a disproportionate level of importance to it.

The topic of this thread, which was the comment made by the former Italian PM, and the sub-topic about the overall nature of al Qaeda and the comparison of it with Operation Gladio, is far more interesting and important than a rehash of whether the video shows the real bin Laden or an actor.

It does matter if binladins a hollywood production...If this isnt exposed it gives alqaeda creedence where they deserve none...the guys who flew into those buildings were contracted, and aided and abeted...thats where the story lies...

hahahah, that was random, but true

Indeed, it matters, but it shouldn't dominate a thread about the comments made by the former Italian PM.

lets get back on topic then?...doesnt this revelation by a world leader warrant opening a new investigation?....