Dear God Craig, it was the first episode when they brought the Mrs. INFAMOUS Warren out the show went straight to hell (no pun intended). & in my small opinion, of course :}!
and it wasnt' just that - but a big part of it for me.
I think Warrens may have had good intentions in the very beginning but that eventually changed.. and it's clear she doesn't know her ass from a hole in the ground.. again IMO. :}

Their intentions became making money thru books.

and on any other form of media exposure on the subject.

If PRS hears a floor creek its Paranormal! LOL

I saw some of the first episode. (I turn off the show because the second episode was a rerun.) But I'm glad that the woman isn't afraid of Walter anymore. And I'm glad the older ghost is gone & is where he belongs. The cemera doing what it did. Was freaky. Did anyone see anything? I didn't.

The next episode looks freaky! I want to see it so badly since it involves a insane ayslum.

It's all just TV hype, and ratings....makes me sick

I disagree.

That is what TV is. Make of it what you will. Low ratings = no show. Hype = viewers. Look at American Idol.

I still think Mrs. Warren rules. I read their first book, and to me it is quite engaging.

Hey everyone I'm new to the bored so don't jump on me for anything I say. But I couldn't help but see this thread and see if I couldn't help clear some things up. I'm a Demonologist, and a paranormal investigator, I watch and love PS.

First of all how about some history? PRS stands for Paranormal Research Society, it is a group passed out of Penn State started by Ryan Buell in his freshmen year of college. They, like many other investigating teams go to people's houses when they claim they have claim to have hauntings, they also started the UnivCon Convention where members of the Paranormal Field gather for seminars, and discussions. They've been doing this long before the show started.

Now I see a lot of complaints that the show has a very Christian overtone, now this is true but its not done purposely. They change their approach based on the views of their clients, as most of America is still Christian, a lot of practices you see are Christian. But they have also (so far) worked with native Americans, and done a Pagan Banishing Ritual.

Another thing I see is people claiming they do not debunk, or do things from a spiritual level and people frown upon that. But see PRS isn't TAPS, their goal at the end of the night isn't to say, your house is haunted, or your heat pipes just need to be purged (which a lot of us know is more often then not the case). Their goal is to put the CLIENTS mind at ease, which is why I respect them. At this point and time we do not have the technology for Science to confirm, or debunk the exsistence of Ghosts. SO that means that it could be all psychological, and if a Family is believing they are haunted so strongly that it is effecting their lives (losing sleep, depression, stress, etc) debunking a case, isn't totally going to help. So when they do a house blessing, or an exorcism at best they are doing something that based on the client's beliefs the client will have faith and and believe it worked. The mind sees what it wants to see and hears what it want to hear. So in doing this they are hopefully setting the clients mind at ease, haunting or not. And I think this is a service all of us investigators should be providing. Its not enough for someone to say "Oh its nothing" sometimes ya know?

Others claim they don't do enough Debunking, well PRS is on most of their cases for 4 days (much more then TAPs' nightly romps) and a give it to the skeptics that the producers will probably leave things out to enhance ratings and so on, but after every show Ryan Buell does a "Post Mordem" on the PRS forums and gives a less media friendly account of what happened. Perhaps the second season will bring an hour long show and we can see much more of the actual investigations. Instead of the current format which pretty much goes Intro: Spooky Experience: Conclusion.

As for the person that says a Real Demonologist wouldn't let that many people in the room blah blah blah. Well first of all Keith and Sandra Johnston are VERY well respected Demonologists in the field (Keith's brother Carl is featured regularly on TAPs). Second Ryan Buell has actually trained with the Vatican, he has gone with the Vatican on cases where exorcisms have been preformed, this information I'm sure is on the net, and will also be featured in Ryan's book. The people in the room during the Exorcism were Ryan Buell, the Psychic Chip Coffey, Keith and Sandra Johnston, and the wife of the man "possessed" all of them besides the wife having Paranormal if not Demonic experience and felt they were perpared to be in the room and from a Christian point of view if you're strong in your faith you have a strong upperhand on Demons. Also, a Catholic exorcism isn't the only way to go, it is just the more talked about way due to the media. There is a much easier form of an Exorcism which usually works just as well.

Now I've touched on a few points, and I'm sure there will be people who will argue this points but hey I'm used to it I work in the Paranormal Field, everything is an oppinion and an argument. But PRS does many good things for this community from Univcon (which has featured seminars by Jason and Grant from TAPs, Lorraine Warren, and many others in the field) to their forums, and mIRC (or Java based chat) which enables others in the field to regularly get together and debate. In fact if you're up for some heavy discussion in the paranormal visit this link: http://paranormalstatefanchat.com/ You'll see me in there often under this same name. You dont have to be a fan, just come in and join the dicussion, you can also catch the cast from Paranormal State in here on Monday nights after the show airs for a rather personal Q&A session. Hope this made some of you a bit more open minded about the show, this is the Paranormal Field people, not one thing is written in stone.

Last night's episode left me with mixed emotions. I'm glad that they helped those spirits. But I don't think a demon would be keeping them there. Most buildings like that are always haunted. I mean there's a few buildings like that in my state. That are like that but they're abandoned.

I can't believe they dragged that woman again. I'm kinda getting tired of seeing her. As if Chip isn't enough. I prefer Chip over her. *Laughs* She whacked him.

But I'm glad that they finally did a thing for the patients.

I like that Lucy spirit.

What was the old & new name for the building?

Edit: I forgot to mention. That most buildings like that. Are known to be haunted. There's nothing you can really do about it. =/

I tried to watch another episode last night. I was bored, so I figured give it one more shot. THE SHOW STILL SUCKS. GOOD LORD, HOW CAN ANYONE WATCH THIS CRAP! Sorry, had to vent.

It's okay.

I have little problems with the show. But they're not many.

The only thing that bothers me. Is that everyone has to be a demon. Geez. Enough with the demons!

I bet it was the same demon that was following him.....haha.

>_<"

Did anyone catch the name of the building? Before it became a drug treatment place? The people over at the Paranormal State Board won't answer my question.

I was reading something & someone said that Chip said you know who.

So probably is, Vermillion.

The name of the institution is Willard...as in the rat movie of the same name.

This show is total crap. The guy, ryan I think his name is, gets quick little twitchy smiles during what are supposed to be super-serious moments, and everything is WAY overdramatized. I mean, stupid music, stupid effects on his narrative voice, and everything. It's all so obviously fake.

Where ghosts are concerned, I've never seen one but I can't really say whether or not they exist. But shows like this make me mad, and when I find out that people actually watch it and take it seriously, I want to punch babies.

They are inexperienced... we've investigated Katie's bar they did an episode on. Its not as active as they claim it is. Why didn't they place a video camera in front of the glasses that shattered and moved on their own? Every time it happened, they never once had a camera on it. Any good experienced investigator would of placed a video camera in front of what they were doing with the glasses. Not only that, the two years my team has been investigating it, not one wine glass or bar glass has ever moved by itself or shattered. We debunked it because the smithtown RR is directly behind the bar casuing major vibrations which could easily prove how the glasses could move and break!? Not only that Katie's bar is located on a main road with high volume of traffic. the noises they hard in the basement were the compressors and ice machines. The owner is so desperate for money that he can't even afford proper heat. Needless to say, he would never let PRS turn the power off on him and lose his ice.

This is coming from 2 years of solid work at Katie's to prove nothing on the episode on PRS was is proof it was paranormal.

Directors log... I think a demon has control of my soul...I have decided to enlist the help of Chip Chip Coffey... is a psychic medium and a Paranormal Investigator.

Thanks. But I'll have to pm Ryan over at the other board. And ask him directly. I could always research the building itself. I saw some abandoned buildings in the episode. That's why I'm so interested.

OMG! I'm so looking foward to tonight's episode! MOTHMAN! If they classfield him as a "demon." I'm going to rant like there's no tomorrow. ><

I must say that at the beginning of the series i was a bit bored at they way they conducted there selfs to wards the Paranormal, i can say that the show has grown on me and one of the things about the show that makes me not want to miss it is Chip..... i generally believe he is what makes the show.
My wife has never been into the paranormal and i usually watch these shows by myself but when she caught an episode with Chip it was almost like opening up a new chapter in her life, I have to agree about the Christian over tones of the show but it doesn't bother me since they do think and treat certain episodes with non Christian rituals which makes me believe that they are legit.

PS: The best show to date is when Chip was somewhat possessed and Loraine slapped him(LOL) funny stuff

The place is called the Willard Asylum.

I also just want to say a few things about PRS. They are NOT a scientific group so their methods are much different than alot of people expect. Their #1 priority is helping their client with whatever the situation might be. I had the opportunity to meet PRS & I spoke to Ryan & Katrina about some of their methods & just because it different doesnt mean its wrong. They spend so many hours on a case so that they can better help the client. Keep in mind also that they have no control over production, they do what they're told. Just like they're also protrayed as being stiff & having no personalities, well thats tv for you. They're all very nice & seemed genuine. If people dont like or agree with the show, then dont watch it. Too many people waste time ragging on a show that they dont care for. Get a life people.

I'm trying to quote the "mostly thru books" comment and it won't let me.Oh well.

I read the books the Warrens wrote,published copies of their "investigations." All of it is such tripe it's amazing anyone ever takes them seriousley.All Christian evil demons and sexual ghosts,as well as stories dripping with every "ghostly/scary/haunted" cliche' in the book.I'll bet someone on Paranormal State is related to the Warrens,and that this show was all Mrs Warrens idea.It sounds like the Warrens.All hyper-Christian(read:tunnel-visioned),overy-sensational,clich'ed,ect.

Paranormal State sucks tragically.

Thanks.

Yeah. They're not a "paranormal group" like most people. They're a different kind.

=/

You've mentioned over & over & over how you're a "professional" paranormal investigator, well how professional can you be if you're trash talking the owner of Katie's bar. It sounds to me like you're bitter because your group got pushed out of the way to make room for a more professional group of people. They may be inexperienced, as you say it, but they come off more professional. I bet if it was you on A&E & not PRS you wouldnt be so sour about it. You really should be careful what you say publically because if you're the leader of a group not only are you making yourself sound foolish but you represent your group as well. You never know who you're gonna come across these boards. I happen to be friends with the owner of Katie's & I dont appreciate what you said. If you have nothing nice to say, dont say anything at all.

I'm not being unprofessional or trash talking... I'm talking from a logical & scientific stand point of view. I'm also talking from experience. I'm allowed an opinion, thank you. Thanks for taking my comments out of context. All of my comments towards PRS and Katie's is from a logical and scientific point of view. Nobody knows that place better than LIGHT. We've been working there for over two years. Not once has any of those experiences occurred there in those two years. There's nothing wrong with me saying or questioning that why wouldn't they focus or put a camera in front of those glasses that supposedly moved and shattered on their own? They also neglect to mention the bar is directly in front of the smithtown RR. Its also on a main road with high volume of traffic. which is a VERY good explanation why those glasses could of moved and broke from vibration. The tables in the bar aren't very sturdy at all. How do they know 100% for sure it was the ghost of charlie who moved those glasses IF they indeed moved? That's a BIG IF since it wasn't shown on video. See, my opinion is from a skeptical point of view. I commend and applaud those to be different. By all means. Its not out of bitterness either, again everything I comment about is because we debunked the clients claim long before PRS got there. I also added facts that PRS or TV do not mention like the RR station being behind the bar, or circumstances or position the owner is in. When PRS shut the power down is completely ridiculous because the owner would never jeopardize his machines that run his bar. This is all from 2 years of experience of working there, knowing the bar well and from a scientific / skeptical view.

Personally, I enjoy Paranormal State. Seems they put their heart and soul into helping people, whether its paranormal or not. They are a young group, and I must say, it is interesting, at least for me. They have some interesting cases, and I respect them for resolving the problem, one way or another, and that to me is what its all about..JMO..JN

The point is they should call this show fiction and we would not have a problem with it. They are feeding people's fears to make money. Nothing more.


Yes. The idiotic kind.

I love you Eric, but I must disagree. I personally like their approach..With each episode we can see something or hear something, and Chip Coffee is pretty amazing. They help people cope, and they are the only ones on TV that do that. Its better than hearing "As you know, we came here and listened to yours stories, set up our equipment to disprove your accouts" Translation: "We think you are a liar, but we will give it a shot, cause we are on TV and we wont find jack." LOL..XXOOO JN

I have only one thing to say, "BOO YA!"

LMAO..Back at ya Darlin ((HUGS))

Uh huh.

Seriously guys. If you don't like the show or them. Then don't bother watching the show. If it bothers you that much.

Well, that makes two of us, anyway.

It seems to me, the show is getting more popular. Seems TAPS using their "debunking" method convinced the public how to handle hauntings. Going into an area or home, and constantly using EMF detectors, counting constantly, does NOT bring out spirits, its all part of disproving. I find PRS to be open minded, and discuss the fact their might not be a haunting, then how to help the client, so they cover every area. Their Dead Time is done with respect to the family and the spirits, and have yet see them lower themselves to provoke. Gosh I hope there are more than 2 of us here LOL..JN

I hope the show is getting more popular. I wonder if we should have a forum for "Fans of Paranormal State." I get a little tired of always defending the show rather than being able to discuss it with enthusiasm. The detractors can stay where they are and say want they want to. And I still worship Lorraine Warren. Nothing is changing that. GRIN.

I just don't get. The show is so obviously scripted. Its people acting roles. Nothing more. Oh, and demons are everywhere.

BOO YA!! There has only been one or two about Demons and Chip picked up on that. The rest are regular hauntings. Use the darn clicker next time (((HUGS))) JN

I would just like to say I know for a fact it is not scripted. I visited The Knickerbocker Hotel, which was on this past we, and I did have personal experiences there.

However I don not really care for PS myself.

I'm sure it is.

The last episode was a little off. The Peg woman was unstable. There was something wrong with her. If she even knew about the power outage (which is weekly) & took it as a sign of the "evil spirit" leaving. Then why did she believe that and didn't want to hear Ryan's explaination?

-------

I can't wait for this Monday's episode. It looks intense.

How is this show becoming more popular? Their ratings aren't increasing, infact it dipped.

Where did you find this out?

Nice fact.

Its becoming more popular thanks to its FEW fans! LOL...

ive seen a few episodes seems kinda off how they seem to get activity almost every episode , seems a little too fake for me.

Old TV station trick. Anytime a show is failing, they will claim that the ratings are up on it. Then, when people hear that, the will automatically want to watch the show to "see what all the buzz is about". It's not gaining popularity at all, they are just claiming that to try and pull in a few more viewers.

Being that I dabbled briefly in film, I talk to a few people from Variety. One Columnist told me that a second season is on the market but it depends on the finale reviews. She also stated, for the viewers who discredit the show for whatever reason, don't be alarmed if it goes for a couple seasons based on the networking station it is on. "A&E". They have nothing to fill the slot and nothing in the works. The show does bring viewers to the network but not nearly as enough as "The Sopranos" reruns. As long as the network doesn't lose money by showing Paranormal State, unless the group disbands for whatever reason, they will continue to show it.

Lets face it, the paranormal shows are a hot topic the last few years. Without GhostHunters, Paranormal State wouldn't even be on air.

I said before... I am 50/50. I hope it succeeds so that networks give other groups an opportunity to shine. At the same time I hate the show and how they represent the field. A & E's mistake was giving an inexperienced team a show. There are plenty of other well organized and experienced groups around the country that deserve the spotlight and work much harder.

People forget ALL of these shows are on t.v. and made for entertainment. We don't know for sure what is scripted and what isn't. Unless you have investigated a location thats been on t.v. yourself and experienced it yourself then there is a fine line of fiction and non fiction. I have scientific proof and logical explanations to an episode PRS did that is totally inaccurate and false. Its not that I am bashing them or bitter, its about the FACTS and SCIENTIFIC PROOF.

I agree completely. They seem to assume that anything(noise, breeze, feelings) that happen during the investigation are attributed to something paranormal. If the same things had happened at any other time, no one would have thought twice about it.
This show is A&E's attempt at creating a show like Ghost Hunters. However, TAPS has been in the field for a long time, they have the experience, and did not get into PI to create a show, the show was created because they had been in the field for so long and had earned a decent amount of respect.
PRS seems like some people who wanted to be on TV, so got this group together under A&E's direction in order to create a show. That's not the way to create a show like this. I work for a PI team, and would in no way want our team on TV. We do good work, and have a growing reputaion as a good team, but I would want alot more experience in the field before ever even considering putting our team on TV, simply to avoid looking like amateurs in front of the whole world.

Couldn't of said it better myself! LOL

I don't know what its going to take for PRS fans to realize that its a bad show and they should not be taken seriously with how they portray the field. As I said before I investigated a location they had on an episode called Katie's of Smithtown. We worked for Katie's LONG BEFORE any group ever discovered it. We also worked for Katie's for about 2 years straight. Not once did wine glasses or bar glasses move & shatter by themselves. We debunked it by proving it to be another alternative & logical explanations. Such as... the Smithtown RR station being directly behind the bar. There is also a main road in front of the bar with high volume of traffic. The tables inside the bar are also very wobbly due to the type of flooring in the bar. Nobody knows that place better than the owner & our team since we worked there for 2 years. The owner would NEVER ALLOW PRS to shut down the power inside the bar. The owner struggles with financial difficulty to keep proper heating going little alone possibly risk the chance of ruining compressors and ice machines if they are turned off. The noise they heard during their EVP session behind the bar was either the compressor or ice machine pretending it was something paranormal. I had been given the key to the joint. I know the owner & Katie's inside and out. What else annoys me is not only did they act like they discovered Katie's, but the psychic they had was completely lying. The psychic works for Katie's almost weekly for psychic events and affairs. She helps him bring in money and customers. When they interviewed her, of course she's going to know what's haunting the place. She knows the history very well. As do any of the locals. A & E, as well as the owner in my own opinion basically discredited any other group that ever investigated there by giving A & E and PRS all the credit for discovering them. I'm not just talking my team, but others.

I will say it over and over that this is not out of BITTERNESS as much as it looks like it. I repeat myself because these are logical and natural reasons for what goes in that bar. To dismiss it to give a show ratings and make people think its paranormal is just wrong!!!

P.S.
Any good experienced investigator would of places a video camera in front of the moving glasses!? How come it seemed liek they moved and shattered the cameras were never focused directly on it. An experienced investigator would put a video camera in place where ANY PARANORMAL ACTIVITY is occurring to document it. Since they didn't, therefore I have a difference of a opinion that it was done intentionally.

Do you think A&E offered the bar owner money to do the show in his bar?