http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=BgVDcFr3W50&...feature=related ... Problem is, with todays video eiting software, who knows??

hmmm...it didnt look like another jet...what could it have been......an was it the reason for the maneuver of the jet?

i will go out on a limb here - i think it's a flying saucer . have no fear though, eric or one our other faithfully skeptical brothers/sisters will be along soon to call it a bird or a video anomoly or something like that

Seriously, this is an obvious CGI, the shadows are not correct.



This is the view before the turn, see the direction of the light by seeing wich part is shadowed:

Couldn't the ufo's be nicks or something on the canopy of the inside jet doing the filming?

Like filming from inside your car. The small, barely seen things on your window can sometimes be mistaken for oh...ghosts crossing the street?

HN

I would be nice to know what the pilots thought it was, and to get a radar reading to get it's air speed. Until we have that it's hard to say forsure what it is or is not.

i can't think of an angle that you could look at a jet from & it look like that. "blurred by the fast pan of the camera" or not, jets just don't look like that. from top or bottom, you see wings. from the sides, you see the tail fin. from what vantage point do they look like discs???

Hey. Whats up with the angry sign? Not nice. I had not even commented yet.

my bad. the anticipation of some good skepticism got me all worked-up .

anyway, this puter doesn't have sound - what is the prime minister saying at the end of the video?

For some reason my work computer will not let me watch it. Oh well. No skepticism on this one, YET.

alex01

i had to edit this (again) because you keep editing your original post, so then the replies don't make sense.

why not add onto the thread???

I don't have sound at work either. I wonder what the Prime minister is commenting about on this video that is such an obvious "fake" Like I said if the pilots have commented and or it was on radar we can't tell forsure this is CGI.

The plane is moving to the left of the screen aka the camera, take another look at the vid and at my pics.

P.S. Or I have some serious coordination problems.



You can't posibly determine the speed of the object, since the planes are at it's rear they are at a proximate velocity.


Not quite, as the plane turns it changes to another angle:






Why shoudn't I?

Just to let you know that's kosher, pardon the pun, BBC news footage...

My apologies.

The commentary says the Israelie defence people refused to comment but the ex Israelie PM seems to have let the cat out of the bag... and then the clip ends...

You must listen more carefully, they refuse to talk about the pilots bombing a nuclear weapons facility, not about any UFOs, actually throuhout the whole video, the is no reaction nor talk about the UFO.

because that's not proper message board etiquette

I'm confused

"You must listen more carefully, they refuse to talk about the pilots bombing a nuclear weapons facility, not about any UFOs, actually throuhout the whole video, the is no reaction nor talk about the UFO."

sound doesn't cut in at all til the end on my system..that's all i heard...

You can see how the plane shadows one of it's parts when it turns in this pic:



Then it goes further but still in the same direction and acceleration:

i was too stixx. the original post i kept refering to, was changed a few times. therefore, after i would reply, it wouldn't make sense anymore, so i would change it, but then the other post would be edited again. sorry for the confusion.

There is no problem with putting all the info in one post instead of making 4 about the same topic.

again dude, at this point, we're not even talking about the same thing. we're fuking the whole thread up & confusing people. lets drop it, OK. i respect & appreciate your opinion. i hope you respect mine also. later.

So it ISN'T something on the inside of the glass canopy? Or is that little mark in the pic above, marked "Light", not what is under discussion?

HN

No need to burst a vain, I was just trying to clear things up.

I doubt it, this planes are travelling at high speeds ( like any plane that's in the air), at this speeds nothing can stay on the canopy for long except if it is on the inside part but the airforce doesn't do that for security reasons, also if something would impact the canopy glass at this speeds it could bring the whole plane down.

There are actually seemingly two objects..and can someone who knows their stuff blow up the pilots visor between 4-7 seconds and try and ascertain what the reflection is, in it on the lower left hand side?

im still confused. It doesn't look like a reflection, it seems to have to much clarity and substance for that. And the profile doesn't show stabilizer fins so I can't peg it on another jet. It is a little weird though.

So the item labeled "Light" is the object in question correct?

HN

lol are you serious? That is you debunking? They were at different angels and completely different shapes, therefore light is going to be different. I am not saying I believe this to be real, but if you are going to debunk this you gotta do better than that.

That was to show that the "object" was lightened by that side, while the other plane was shadowed, that means that there would have to be two light sources! Two suns! And we all know that cannot be, so the shadows are wrong clearly demostrating it's a Fake.

Gotcha. Just making sure I was looking at the correct thing.

Had my husband look at the video. Husband - airforce. Loaded weapons on f16's and did maintenance. Says it is a gouge in the acrylic. Looks bigger because it is close the the camera. Stated that it is something that needed to be fixed but that he had seen it before.

Not ufo. IMO

HN

The weapon pod is under the shadow of the planes own fuselage, not sure what you are trying to say drawing attention to that... The second part, the plane is in hazy cloud, the object, is in far clearer air, so not sure how you draw that conclusion either. The planes are coated with non reflective paint anyway, to cut down their visibility by both eye and on radar. That means, they absorb rather than reflect light by design, that doesn't seem to have been taken into account either... if the sun is btween 9 o'clock and 12 o'clock high to the rear of the plane the footage comes from, the reflections are wholly accurate, as far as i can see...

Well that makes perfect sense!

He sure knows what he is talking about!

Between 14 and 17 seconds there is what could well be something on the visor, but what is the second object??

Not sure. I will have to check the video again and have hubby look. Possible still pic anywhere?

HN

*am at work - doing this via IM's with hubby at work*

HN

On the pilot's black visor?

HN

Sorry, all I see are two different gouges in the canopy.

Close up of larger
Close up

14 secs

This is another airplane/jet. Just from an almost "underneath" kind of shot. Going fast.

HN

15 secs



16 secs

Freeze the film on 14 seconds and there is what could well be something on the planes canopy mving through mid left to top right.... Then freeze on 15 seconds and another object altogether comes into view... Between 4 and 7 seconds there is something relfected in the Pilot's visor to the lower left, just wondering whether that is the plane infront, distorted by the curve of the visor, or the object that crosses the camera field...

17 seconds:

Not sure what I am looking at here. Other than guys in a jet.


I have to head home. Will check out the times on the video.

HN

Thats what it appears to be to me as well.

You can see "white spots" that are likely reflections or glares on the canpoy as the camera pans. All of these canopy artifacts (including these "objects") move at the same speed with the pan of the camera.

The camera man is filming through the "bubble" canopy of another aircraft. The "ufos" are just little chunks missing out of the camera man's canopy.

Home now. Had hubby review it again. Also sent the video to a friend - USAF Captain. Nothing in the video other than things on the canopy of the jet the cameraman is in. Hubby and friend not surprised about any of it, especially on a jet that is in active combat in a desert.

Just as Lvl365Eng and el midgetron say.

HN

Thanx for that... bloody ironic that driving with a dent that size on a car window in England would be illegal but its perfectly ok to go batting around the sky at mach 1 and above in a fighter bomber...