..and every small cut could be your death sentence.

Huzzah for infection!

--Jaylemurph

Not perfect but far, far better than living under primitive destructive sharia law, or any other ancient theocratic laws.

religion isn't nearly the problem as the fundementalists

Take away religion, you wont have fundamentalists.

Quote "The fault lies not in our stars but in ourselves" even if you did away with religion idiots would find something else to fight about.
Its not religions fault

Doing the right thing rocks

That would be Shakespeare in Julius Ceasar.

--Jaylemurph

The problem is not Religion, it is a few who seek power through Religion. If there was not Religion then they would just use their Political Party or other social measure to enforce their view of Ethics and Morals. Look at Communist China a few decades ago or the Soviet Union from the same period. Both were supposed to be Athiest, but had the same problems of racial hatreds and political infighting. There will always be Fundamentalist where there are people seeking power. And, if you take away the drive to gain power then you are taking that which drives the Human Race to create and build.

I am probably gonna get flamed for this, but for centuries, beginning in France, political entities wanted "socialism" to dominate. Give thanks to the Russians. The USSR, had the politicians not been so corrupt and power-hungry, and had it not gotten so large, it would be deemed a "perfect society/culture."

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Communism does seem to be able to work on very small scales, such as maybe a village. Larger then that and Politics gets messy and it fall apart. That is just my Opinion however.

Edit: Just as Religion works on a small scale, but gets messy with Politics when it gets big.

Are we discussing culture or form of government?

While I believe the two are symibiotic, culture is very much defined by a peoples past, traditions, pride and patriotism amongst many other factors are what make up a culture, therefore there could be no 'perfect' culture as an invention because it would have no significance to anyone. And a culture is constantly evolving with what is acceptable for the day.

evolution=effeciency

how does that weigh against happiness.

where does one draw the line against self serviance.

i have found todays problems are caused by the sacrifice of effeciency.

Thats because efficiency requires time, and in todays society time = money

all humans assuming personal responsibility would be a great start but it wont happen there are to many that make bad choices and the rest of us have to pay for it

I agree DC, good point. You may/may not be right about China/ Soviet Union but one can look at it, that most 'developed countries' have had it's dark past in regards to human progression & the wiping out of other cultures to create a better one...''Ours''. Even now we live in a world ruled & run by both politics & religion combined (one feeding off the other) followed by one of the worst track records for f**k'n this planet up any which way ya look at it from Church & State...But as i said, some may look at it as 'human progress'(?)? to each their own I guess...


err hope that kinda makes sense because it's monday and they basically suck. lol!

I think socialism can only work with groups with membership below 52 or so. Something to do with clans and leadership. After 50 member there is infighting and management begins to build division within the ranks. Just something I learned in Organizational Behavior in Business School. It has some basis in sociology and bonafide research, but I cannot (or will not) go looking for the documentation at this time. Suffice it to say, it makes a good deal of sense from my own (and I am sure your own) experiences.

From my limited knowledge of Tibet and Tibetan Buddhist lifestyle, I'd have to go with pre-Chinese invasion of Tibet as being the ideal or perfect culture. These people are rugged, they have ample resources, a good lifestyle based upon the land, and ample time to cultivate their higher intellect. Had the Chinese not impeded their development, they might have invested in some Wind Turbines, solar power technology, and gone on to come up with some true modern marvels in philosophy, mathematics, physics, and "clean-technologies."

YEAH ME TOO I AGREE TO WHATEVER IS SAID

Ah thank you doggy dude

Well, they also employed a particularly harsh form of slavery and a vicious policy of religious intolerance. Maybe some of the lamas had "ample time to cultivate their higher intellect", but most people were literally slaving away in fields, crushingly poor and oppressed by the warriors and monks. I'm not suggesting the Chinese invasion was a good thing, but lots of Tibetans live in better circumstances than their parents did.

--Jaylemurph

i agree with jaylemurph
whenever a group of ppl try to make a perfect culture there only ever going to end up with a civilization where they try and make everyone 'equal' by making sure everyone has jobs and homes the backlash of this is that the jobs pay is lo and housesare of very poor quality due to the number that need to be made
so my candidate for a perfect culture would have to be britain/america because these ones dont try to be perfect but merely support freedom and free will along with free speech [ a lot of frees arnt there]

Perhaps this is better 'built' by looking at various micro-cultures throughout history. For example: Ancient Egypt/Greece/Rome, the Italian Renaissance, 1700s Western Europe, early 1800s London, late 1800s Paris, 1920s Harlem, 1950s Latin America, 1960s Bay Area/NYC, 1970s Hollywood, late 70s/early 80s UK, Late 80s Eastern Europe, 1990s Japan, and the such.

Of course there are specifics to extract from each of these and this list provided above is but a small and short list, however I venture that it is worthwhile starting point.

Does anyone share this line of thinking?

the reason i ask is

i am trying to isolate the best qualities of cultures.

to inspire creativity
yet instill a sense of duty
an enviroment perfect for growth

problem is some cultures arrange these as oppisites. i think feudal Japan was closest too perfect.

Everyone has their own opinion, there's no such thing as "perfect" just ask people what a perfect day is like and see how many responses you get

I find it difficult to think of any of the above-mentioned cultures as even approaching perfect, since in most of them I would have been deprived of any personal benefit, being a)lower-class, and b)female!

I'm pretty sure that communism is the end result of attempts to create the perfect society

Take out the racism, eugenics, and plans for conquest of their neighbors and Nazi Germany has come the closest to perfection in society building in the modern era. Before that Moorish Spain had come the closest.

The term "perfect culture" is sort of a contradiction in itself.

A culture in this case refers to human culture/civilization. And human culture can never be perfect, because we are so extremely far from being perfect ourselves. We can not create something without flaws.

I think if a government were established it would be nice to have the leaders be qualified for the tasks.
Small communities that raise their own food is a good trait .

Can't think of a perfect culture. I really like how the Amish people roll..They do everything from scratch but at the same time
they creep me out .
And when it comes to spiritual I like how the shamans roll..

Cajuns know how to throw sh*t together during hard times so maybe a little bit of that..
The Amazonian people like to get loaded and eat sugar all day so I guess they got it made in the shade.

So I guess it would be nice to have all of that mixed together and toss out the creepy tendencies of the Amish.

There's a mythological realm in Buddhism in which believers are said to go whenever they call on a certain Buddha (whose name is Amitabha, or Amida in Japanese) with sincere faith. Some Buddhists think this is all just symbolism of some of the deeper teachings of Buddha, while other Buddhists believe that it's real, although spiritual in nature. Though it evolved under completely different circumstances, this form of Buddhism bears a resemblance to Christianity in certain aspects.

This Buddha realm is perfect and has no sins, no crimes, no evil. All the residents are perfect in appearance, intelligence, morality and capabilities. And every being there is in tune on exactly the same wavelength--ultimately, the salvation of all sentient beings.
This realm is called, in English, the Pure Land.
Myth or not, this could be called the Perfect Culture.