The scriptures are abstractly correct in the way they describe that in the beginning there was God and water and God created a universe (firmament) in the midst of the waters. The Hindu scriptures describe that an aura comes from God's body and that is the energy that all of our creation is made from. God is described as floating in an ocean when this energy aura emanates from his/her/it's body. So Genesis describes a similar thing to the Hindu scriptures in the way that God was originally with water and created the universe in the midst of the water. Scientists just haven't figured out that we are the energy of God and not the matter that we imagine we are.

2:And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
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6:And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.

7:And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.

8:And God called the firmament Heaven.


Here's one abstract picture showing spherical universes emanating from God's body as he floats in the causal ocean.


Here's one piece of many Mayan artworks showing a tentacled aquatic creature below the human and a bird-like creature above the human. This is an abstract way of saying that mankinds source is in a liquid dimension and above the world of man is the heavens with their creatures of flight. We imagine all people in heaven and other worlds would be like us but they are not because they have different environments.


Here's an abstract depiction of how beings come out of other beings who dwell in a liquid dimension.


And here's a more modern abstract depiction of how tentacled beings from a liquid environment work through various dimensions and beings to reach us in this dry environment.

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And here's a closeup of the tentacle as it enters the human from the liquid dimension. The small nodes the tentacle is manipulating that spiral upwards on the walls of the portal entering the human are the blunt ends of long control reeds which run from the kundalini base portal to all parts of the human vehicle, including its brain and control human life on earth; which is just an illusory energy stage for the gods.


Scientists are studying the energy that the gods create and they think that is reality. But as you can see from ancient art and scripture the real reality is a liquid dimension and our universe is an energy throw-off from that reality. So we'll never find real matter here, only energy and illusion.

Countless people are given dreams showing them that beings in water are related to them or are watching them, but the gap between our understanding of reality and reality itself is so large that people cannot understand what the dreams signify.

The spirituality/religious movements tend to reach for the light and towards light beings but as ancient scripture and artworks show the light and energy beings of the heavens are not the source but are a secondary creation and therefore not God, in the sense that they are not the beginning.

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Well that's my description of the reality of our world's origin 'and how the gods still control this world from that original liquid atmosphere, 'as I have come to know it after meeting the beings from the liquid dimensions and being taught things by them, 'and then realizing that ancient scripture and art actually did show the truth after all, albeit in a difficult to articulate abstract manner.

P.S It's also described in some scriptures that if one holds a crystal glass of water in one's hands each day as one meditates in a dimly lit room then one's auric energies are captured by the water and build up to the point where a miniature universe of energy begins to form, and one can see all sorts of cosmic type phenomenon happening in the water. This shows that we are miniature replicas of the gods in the sense that we can create universes in water just as they do, although in a microcosmic kind of way.

science has figured we came from energy off god

BIG BANG THEORY

and yes the universe is a liquid dimension. mountains are but waves of earth and stone.

and as for reality their is one law: all things are infinite. our reality is both a microcosm and a macrocosm.

hall of mirrors, infinite reflections.

Cool! when u met with the "beings from the liquid dimension' why didnt u take a few snaps for keepsakes?

Oh by the way you are prohibited to drink water....you will drink the 'beings from the liquid dimesnsion', digest them and pass them out as stinking unrine too!
and you mean urine also is a being or beings of the liquid dimensions???

Actually modern science, and I mean established science, suggest the before the big bang, the universe was a gaseous nebula, a reaction within it, we dunno how the reaction came about, but it caused the big bang.

Neither the hindu scriptures are close to this, neither is the bible in genesis. neither confirm the established fact of the big bang. I know only on religion which does confirm this established scientific fact, lets stick what is established and not what maybe the case.

After reading the nonsense posted by Aztec, i had to post my view. We are replicas of God with out any godly attributes, hows that then. We are flawed creature, with a start and an end, we beget and are begotten, there is nothing godly about us. I would get away from this notion that we are somehow divine, cause if you believe this, i break the very foundations of your beliefs.

" energies are captured by the water and build up to the point where a miniature universe of energy begins to form, and one can see all sorts of cosmic type phenomenon happening in the water."

Yeah I think that was in an episode of the Twilight Zone. Could it be that Rod Serling is god or has the secrets of the gods and is trying to tell us something?

And Ozi, though I do agree with the Big Bang theory I wouldn't go as far as to call it an established fact.

I understand what you are saying, but the big bang is established fact, mathamatically, through physics, observation, hubble has proved it, the list is huge.

I thought this was somehow relevant also. It's an extract from one of Mary Sparrowdancer's works. It shows that certain gods or Elohim, who were associated with aquatic creatures, were an early and vital part of mankind's development. particularly in the humanizing of mankind.

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Of Men, Gods And Wars

Among the most important of the elohim were the Dagon elohim, although they too were translated in the OT merely as "gods" rather than "God" or "Gods." The Dagon are said to be associated with, or a personification of, Ea and Oannes, both of which are said to be names for the Sumerian god, Enki. These were known as the fish gods, or the fish of heaven. These are the gods of wisdom, compassion, civil laws, arts, sciences and agriculture, and their teachings predated Judaism. In Hebrew, the word for fish is "dag" or "dagah," and the Hebrew word for grain is "dagan."

Oannes, according to Berossus, a Babylonian priest and historian, was a fish god of wisdom, imparting concepts of civil liberties at a time when such concepts were badly needed. Of Oannes Berossus wrote, "He gave them an insight into letters and sciences, and arts of every kind. He taught them to construct cities, to found temples, to compile laws, and explained to them the principles of geometrical knowledge. He made them distinguish the seeds of the earth, and shewed (sic) them how to collect the fruits; in short, he instructed them in every thing which could tend to soften manners and humanize their lives." -Mary Sparrowdancer

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It may be of importance to note also that in Genesis God commands life in all its forms to first come from the waters or oceans.

So Darwin simply agreed with Genesis in that regard.

I'm not trying to say that the scriptures are correct in every sense of course. Even scientific theses are continuously subject to alteration and improvements etc. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

20:And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.

21:And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly,
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And so as we can see that various ancient scriptures explain in different abstract symbolic ways that God or the Source of All is in a liquid dimension 'and creates from it's own energy these dry energy worlds we exist in.

One scientific method of observing how energy from a living source can create definite realities in water is the way water changes it's structure simply due to the thoughts of the people around it. Here is a page explaining in detail the scientific proof I am referring to.

And so here we have science proving that the method of Creation, as alluded to in scriptures, is possible after all, because water does indeed have the scientifically proven capacity to hold and contain the energies of the people around it. And science already shows that our reality is basically just energy anyway.

And that's all the scriptures really say. That God is in a liquid dimension and creates these worlds or universes within water with his/her/it's own personal energies.

2:And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
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6:And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters

Yes indeed, it's a proven fact that the MORE OFTEN YOU REPEAT something THE TRUER IT BECOMES.

--Jaylemurph

Thanks for reminding me what an absolute waste of time the web is when people can just slime over everything you say straight away. It's an abomination and the devils playground no less.











Intelligent folk please note that I posted new and vital information pointing to the truth behind the holy scriptures. Notably that water does have the ability to hold our personal auric energies, just as the scriptures claim a spiritual water holds this energy universe we live in, and that it is the manifestation of God's personal energies. Remember that the original waters were lifted above heaven when God created this universe in the midst of the original waters. So the original waters remain above everything we know, and when scientists learn where the extra dimensions are, notably the liquid dimension, they will find real matter, otherworldly life forms, and the source of this holographic energy universe.

I shouldn't have come back here today but I just thought I would share one point that occurred to me. I'm focusing on book writing instead because fools can't slime over everything you write the moment you publish it.

Reality is in the liquid dimension all around us, all else is energy.

Ha, god is a figment of our imagination; our ancestors made him or made many of him/her up to explain what was not explainable. When mankind had no idea what was going on around them, they made up stories or false beliefs to explain them. Then the hierarchies and the religious leaders came into play, they have learnt to control the people, by saying gods wrath will be a pond them. If that is not enough they say when you are having a bad time "it is gods will that you suffer to learn, or it is gods grace that you flurish in good times". They still demand a sacrifice or gift either way, how sweet is that deal for a religious leader or priest, offer your gifts to me and you will be rewarded in heaven/afterlife, too easy. Don't talk to me about religion; the world would have been a better place without such garbage.

Aztec,

Far be it from me to malign your faith in the Creator, but it don't be far from me to malign your completely misplaced faith in Masaru Emoto and his completely fraudulent claims about water.

His "work" was featured in the film "What the (bleep) do we know," basically an hour and a half advertisement for new age spiritualism, specifically the channeled "ancient" known as Ramtha (whose channeler has admitted in court that she fabricated the thing.)

Emoto's work has never been duplicated, not by him nor by anyone else trying to do it.

That should tell you something about it.

Also, I hope it gives you pause before you start claiming something like "scientific proof" or "science proving that the method of Creation, as alluded to in scriptures, is possible after all, because water does indeed have the scientifically proven capacity..."

You should try to remember that there is no such thing as scientific "proof" of anything at all. There are only theories that provide a model that (to some extent) account for data that have been observed.

In Emoto's case, the data itself was fraudulent.

Harte

I find the idea of a liquid or fluid dimension to be interesting. In many Sci-Fi movies and books, fluid space, or a fluid dimension is linked to hyperspace or faster then light travel. It is worth pondering, if other parallel dimensions (parallel universes) exist, if one could exist which would fit the idea of being fluid, as aposed by our "solid" universe.

Religion wise... Jesus offered people himself and his teachings as "The Water of Life". To accept and "drink" the Water of Life was to accept and follow Jesus's teachings. And, thereby gain everlasting life, in the form of an eternal afterlife.


LOL You are funny Jaylemurph!

It is indeed.....but....thanks for your thoughts and beautiful pictures. You have created a thought provoking
thread....with some DEEP ideas.

Sorry, but the sheer number of people at UM claiming to be The Only One Ever To Correctly Interpret All of Science and History leads me to suspect none of them are right.

(I, of course, am completely different and my forth-coming nove... /non-fiction/ book We Were As Fleas in their Ears: The True History of our Basset Masters and Their Close Associates, The Loose Association of Hounds (Sirius Division) will prove it.)

--Jaylemurph