No worries...im not bothered by it now...Godofcats has begun to throw in entertainment lol [joke]

Thank you Chok...I dont allow ego to swallow me up..im smarter than that so...OK I see your point...BM misunderstood [serious comment]

It's okay. You're of Irish blood. My grandfather was the same, and I'm hindered by it 1/4. It's all that blood in our alcoholic veins.

Aw, steriotypes. Do they ever get old?

Apart from people believing Atheists are evil boogeymen I mean.

My grandparents are all Irish. Guiness for blood eh.

I laugh at the irish sterotype lol..it is so freaking old and messed up...in fact irish are meant to be hotheaded and NEVER EVER ADMIT they are wrong....WOW funny how I dont fit the stereotypical irish man/woman

Anyone that believes that - Atheists are hateful, evil, rotten and all that f*** up with the world, are purely talking out of their hats <--and thats me putting it mildly

I made a topic once, to see how many atheists have in fact persecuted christians for their faith .....................guess what?? I had a bloody hard time in finding much info to go on...FACT!!

haha when i said i watch you i mean i see what you write on this site.....it's not like i follow you around in real life

anyway.......WHAT!!!!?? this is getting wierd. now your saying i blamed atheist for all the hate that happens? i don't know where all this is comthing from. all i did was come in here basicly say atheist are just like everybody else when it comes to hate and here's why, now i hate them....strange. and i don't know peoples vocabulary, people say i use words wierd, but a few and some mean the same to me, so if it looked like i was making muslims look worst the christains i wasn't, i must have worded it bad.......AND YES they are my friends, you know why? because most everybody's my friend no matter who you are else they are bad people, and if most everybody's my friends then they must not be very bad

Guinness is absolutely ROTTEN...I hate the taste of stout and come to think of it I cant stand beer..never have


I prefer wine...but now I hardly get the Chance to drink..im stuck with becks most of the time..but its ok..im not complaining [ inserts -sarcasm ]

MLOR, that cartoon you posted is SATIRE like Landover Baptist! Why would you try to pass that off as something that's actually real?

Get a grip!

Ok i'll break it down for you again


you said............. SOME christians are idiots

A FEW muslims are too


so I figure ...why did he make it look as though the christians are bigger idiots than the muslims??

WHY didnt he just say - some christians and muslims are idiots?? <--------------------------can you follow ??

yes and i already explained. some and a few mean the same to me, it means a small percentage. and also i worded it wrong for people to understand. it was a mistake.....i messed up, i'm sorry, i'm an idiot. are we good now?

GoC,

I can agree with you on some level about atheists being a bit sensitive, but you can only hear how you’re going to hell and how you’re less of a human for being an atheist so many times before it starts to work on your nerves. I for one try to ignore this kind of ignorance and go on with my life. However the statement made by Bush (see quote below) as well as the recent one made by Mitt Romney about how atheists should be excluded from America, really get me hot under the collar.

Unlike Bush whom went AWOL before he went to Vietnam and Romney who is rich and privileged, I spent 13 years of active military service. I have put my life on the line numerous times in combat and have come close to making the ultimate sacrifice on more than one occasion. Not to mention the personal sacrifices my wife and children endured as a result of my military service.



How dare these spineless politicians suggest that I should not be a U.S. citizen, or that I am not a patriot? Remember the quote above is coming from a man whom was not willing to put his life on the line for the U.S. but is sure as hell willing to sacrifice others.



So HEhe who are these atheist leaders? The whole point of being an atheist for most people is not to be obligated to follow anyone’s beliefs but their own. There are no atheist leaders that
I am aware of, and if there are what makes you think that I would follow any of them down the street let alone to communism and or mass murder.

Also my lack of religion or religious belief does not equate to a lack of humanity nor selfishness. I have heard this many many times but so far not one believer can tell me how I am less of a human or more selfish than they are, maybe you can step up to the plate and give me some specifics.

As for goals, I have the same basic life goals most believers’ do, which are: raise my children to become well educated, law abiding, and productive citizens, to provide my family with a safe place to live and good food to eat, and to live my life without bringing harming others.

I have no atheistic agenda, and do not propagate my beliefs to anyone not even my children they are free to follow their own paths as they see fit. In fact I always encourage those believers whom believe that atheists lack moral character because they don’t believe in god to remain active in their church if that is the only thing that holds their morals and ethics in check.

Over all Hehe I’m sure you are a good person but your ignorance and fear of atheism is vastly unjustified as well as unfounded.



Wombat,

Believe it. I found one of those on my door when I lived in Washington State. Welcome to the home of the brave and the land of intolerance for non believers.

I think someone was playing a joke on you evancj. It's believed that Objective Ministries was started by the same people who started the Landover Baptist site. It's satire.

It seems so. That explains why the main character for the kids section is a lamb, Christian sheep etc.

Although, I suppose it's worth mentioning that Objective Ministries shouldn't ever be confused with Chick Publications. Chick Publications IS real... and horrible... and just about as unbalanced and nutso as WBC.

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GoC,

I can agree with you on some level about atheists being a bit sensitive, but you can only hear how you’re going to hell and how you’re less of a human for being an atheist so many times before it starts to work on your nerves. I for one try to ignore this kind of ignorance and go on with my life. However the statement made by Bush (see quote below) as well as the recent one made by Mitt Romney about how atheists should be excluded from America, really get me hot under the collar.

Unlike Bush whom went AWOL before he went to Vietnam and Romney who is rich and privileged, I spent 13 years of active military service. I have put my life on the line numerous times in combat and have come close to making the ultimate sacrifice on more than one occasion. Not to mention the personal sacrifices my wife and children endured as a result of my military service.



How dare these spineless politicians suggest that I should not be a U.S. citizen, or that I am not a patriot? Remember the quote above is coming from a man whom was not willing to put his life on the line for the U.S. but is sure as hell willing to sacrifice others.

i agree with you, when anybody tells anybody they're going to hell no matter who it is that is out of line. i can understand atheist getting mad at that, and they should. that is hypicritical for religious people to say that because even the bible says don't judge others. jesus even said that was the worst thing one could do. so that is something atheist should get upset with and i would support them on that. what i mean is little arguements for no reason like saying i'm sorry i just don't believe the big bang theory i think god did it and some atheist go crazy, call people idiots and stuff and say they're being discriminated agianst. and everybodys guilty of this not just atheist.

don't listen to these idiot politicians, i don't like or trust any of them anymore. thanks for putting you life on the line for our country. that makes you a true patriot and soldger unlike george bush and most of these government morons.

Hey Becky I love marmite, Isn't that what you english folks like to spread on your toast over there? I was reading Chokmah's post and I see that they don't have a large muslim community in Ireland, hence he would know since thats were he's from. Becky how can you not like Guinness, I thought everyone from England loved Guinness. I bet Chokmah loves his whiskey being Irish and all. As far as being Athiest well i'am and geee don't know alot of other Athiests myself. I have met a few gay people in my day but they didn't like that I was an Athiest so they picked on me alot.



Oh I'm in so much trouble for this post, but this thread did make me laugh. It's like listening to Monty Python on the radio or something similar. You guys rock. Becky, lay of Chokmah he can't help he's Irish Oh I am in so much trouble, be kind.......

I don’t know MissMelsWell,

I looked that site over pretty good and could find nothing to indicate it is satire. I must have missed it. Can you point it out to me please?

Here's a good resource: http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/hoax/weblog/comments/1603/

And, funny enough, when I did a lookup on Objective Ministries I found that they're registered out of Gig Harbor Wa.

It's a hoax/satire.

I couldn't hate Atheists if I tried. My Dad was an Atheist and my Mother was Agnostic they were fine people and good parents. My Dad survived in WWII and he didn't have to he could have stayed home cause of his age and family, but he wanted to serve his country. (Bush is such a dimwit, evancj, I am glad he will be gone in one year and 32 days.)
I would rather have an Athiest for president than a fundamental Christian. At least I know they aren't going to start a war cause God told him too.


Every time I think about Bush I want to spit.

It figures I was living in Tacoma (just across the bridge) at the time. Even if though the flyer was created as a joke I don’t think the person who put it on my door intended it as one, as it was accompanied by some of those christian hate spewing comic books.

Thanks MissMelsWell, that site looks very funny and interesting I have booked marked it and will look closer later.

At least a Christian president is accountable to someone higher than himself

The comic book you got was probably a Chick Publications booklet. They're fairly common. Jack Chick is anti-atheist and anti-Catholic (mostly anti-Catholic). Chick Publications is as messed up as Westboro Baptist. They're just crazies.

As far as they're concerned, yes. The mind is a powerful thing...

That's not necessarily a good thing; if the president f**ks up, he can just blame it on God

And just who is this higher entity? Big business and the oil industry? My bet is on Dick Cheney whom represents both.

If I did believe in god, I would seriously doubt he had much to do with what Bush is doing.

I think www.objectiveministries.com has got to be a hoax !!

Gosh I hope not ,I'm moving to Washington. I thought it had the largest Atheist population in the States ?


My husband just happened to get a job there,that's not why I'm moving there, mind you. Beautiful state !!

An American president is accountable to a higher power than himself without God, the American People. That is the way it is suppose to be. We don't have a king or queen here if things get to bad we have the laws to boot him out. I don't need Gods messing around with my government.

As opposed to the electorate?
Doug

I am not a supporter of Bush in any way, in fact I am not American however as a Canadian that could end up in the crossfire between American and ????? I am more comfortable with someone who is accountable to a higher being in this world and the next.
I was an atheist for many years and know that if you believe there is nothing after this life you have nothing to lose by pushing the button.

Washington is a great place, you’ll be alright. There is a good mix of all belief systems, and for the most part everyone gets along.

I am not sure I understand the above Beckys mom? Do you not discuss stuff with your friends? I thought the basis of friendship was trust and respect. Aspects of some of my friends lifestyles are not the same as mine and I am comfortable discussing them with them. Sometimes we agree to disagree on certain issues and that is fine and dandy, we remain friends.

Just wondered if I had misunderstood your above statement.

Cheers

Spanky

A president needs to to feel love for humanity & life itself. possessing empathy,strength, intelligence,courage and logic (these are all "higher powers" that we possess.


Children need to grow up> so that they may handle things on their own>god or not>we need to evolve and take responsibility

Just my opinion again

Peace

No, the data seems to suggest that there are fewer church going people in Wa per capita than a lot of states:

Here's a list:

Oregon 32%

California 32%

Washington 32%

Maine 31%

Massachusetts 31%

Rhode Island 28%

Nevada 27%

Vermont 24%

New Hampshire 24%

Poll done by Gallup.. you can read the whole list here: http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20...1n2thelist.html

There are other polls that suggest that Wa. and Oregon have the lowest number of religious adherents. I don't know what criteria Gallup based their results on.

Wow what a strange admission. Don't quite know where to start.


Edit: Actually I have said some weird sh** on here too - who am I to judge he he he! I love it when peoples true thoughts slip out!

Unless God tells you to push the button. If you don't have life after this one then it would behoove you not to push the button. Because life is very precious if you only have one time around. I remember at the beginning of the Iraq war Bush said God told him to go to war with Iraq. I don't think Bush would hesitate to push the button if he thought God told him too. I don't understand why Christian think Atheist don't value life. They do believe me cause this is it. When I ask my Dad if he prayed in a fox hole in WWII he no he was to busy fighting for is life. That doesn't sound like a man that put no value on life to me.

Not true Irish,

I am just as concerned about the future of this world as you or anyone else. The biological instinct to ensure my DNA survives and is passed on to future generations is strong within me. That being said I do not what future generations (my grand kids, & yours) to look back on our time and blame us for their suffering.

That's ok as long as I'm not discriminated against I don't care. I think being agnostic with a pagan,Atheist, buddhist bent is ok . So being confused is ok ? Good !! My belief is Heinz 57 !!

ok then get an agnostic president. Then you dont have to worry about going to war cause God said so but there iss enough openess to there being some spiritual force to deter them from pushing the button.

Though I have to say I don't get your point properly. Just because i dont believe in god doesn't mean i devalue life. Couldn'r you jsut as easily argue that someone may push the button believeing they are part of a holy war and are doing god's will. Their doubts removed by the notion of forgiveness divine will and a place in heavan.
Whereas someone believing that that destruction is truly the end and final could be more reserved about the idea of unleashing nuclear war.

There are Christians i would support. I liked (actually I love) Jimmy Carter & I like Obama ,although I don't know enough about him.
I think I even like Ron Paul. As long as they keep church & state seperate, I don't care. They know faith is a personal matter, I think ?

Well when you put it like that...I'd be more comfortable with someone who has an innate sense of morality rather than one who behaves himself for fear of being whipped by his master.

MLOR, does your religion and faith or lack thereof ever come up in conversation outside of UM? Mine doesnt.

I think most of my close friends wouldn't even know what demonination I belong to or if I even go to church regularly.

Really, come on, is religion, church, atheism something you actually share with people on a day to day basis? I sure as heck don't.

I used to. Now I never bring it up.i even try to change the subject whereas I was really aggressive before. It has caused "uncomfortable moments" of arguments or complete silence. (debating)

Our best friends (couple) two of them are christians and two (another couple) are agnostic. And we love each other dearly. So I don't want to risk it or have them thinking weird stuff. We mean too much to each other . And some have done much better since they have their faith.

Most of our german friends are pagan

This is blasphemy my child.
I'm a member of AA (Alcholic Agonistics..).yet many of us worship the holy Guinness.

Loaded word. Means what the speaker wants it to mean. How about "immoral" as in lying to the electorate about "weapons of mass destruction," actually using weapons of mass destruction (uranium artillery shells) on the battle field, not being able to find those "weapons of mass destruction" once he got the troops there, and killing more civilians than the blood bath in the Sudan or Rwanda? And that from a "Christian" who declared his mission to be a "Crusade." And how about all those right-wing "Christians" who voted for him in 2004?


Megalomaniacs who used state atheism for their own ends. Sort of like some popes, a lot of kings, princes and even presidents.



A local atheist group in Denver opened their meeting place to the homeless during some of the winter's coldest weather several years ago. They also served hot sandwiches and cocoa at their own expense. Several much larger churches (Protestant) in town couldn't find the compassion to open their sanctuaries to the "riff raff," even though they had many more resources. Aren't these "the least of these, my brethren?" You want to see selfishness - drive around most any big American city and you can see lots of huge "Industrial scale" churches: remember that every dollar spent on an elaborate building is not beging spent on God's work.


I don't know one atheist who fits this description; though, I do know one who talks non-stop. I also know several Christians who do the same, but that doesn't mean much because the Christians I know far outnumber the atheists.



Humanism - the underlying philosophy of atheism is about humanity (See: The Philosophy of Humanism by Corliss Lamont). I would like to know what this is based on.


Like there's proof of God?


Can't think for themselves? Have to hate somebody because somebody else tells them to?



Guilty as charged. Ever read the Bible? There's a lot of humor in it, especially puns, even if the English-language translators have failed to capture it.

Lot of irony in the history of religion, too. Constantine, the "first Christian emporer," was not a Christian when he instituted religious tolerance. He was finally baptised on his death bed, so he couldn't be held accountable for things he had done.



I'm in no position to judge this one. I used to work with a self-proclaimed Christian who told me every morning that I was going to hell. He said it was nothing personal, but that his religion told him to do it. I'm not an atheist and wasn't then, but I can certainly see the basis of a rigorous dislike for "Christians" among atheists.



I know atheists who get up every morning, go to work, raise their families and stay married to the same person for a lifetime. Against this: Newt Gingrich and Bob Dole abandoned their wives and families; Guiliani has been through several divorces as a result of having been caught in affairs. If that's commitment ....


I hope so. The very existence of humanity may depend on the ability of atheists to bring the religious fantics of all persuasions together. Eventually, the "terrorists" (aka "freedom fighters"), will acquire nuclear weapons. We can either follow the Prince of Peace and talk to them now, or we can die with them later.


There are a lot of things in modern society that keep a person from living a devout life. In fact, if one sincerely tries to follow Jesus' teachings, he will probably end up in jail.
Doug

People do things like fly planes into buildings, blow themselves and other up, kill their children believing it is Gods will. Pushing the button is just one step away from that. The spiritual forces aren't going to step in. They don't work like that. It is up to us to care for each other, it is part of the lessons of life.

I've just had a fairly close look at that O:CM site; MMW, are you convinced it's a joke? If it is, that is some subtle humour! I mean, someone has spent a lot of time making that one of the most right wing sites i've seen! It's slightly scary. I also note that the MOH site, has some disagreement as to it's satire status.

I'm not sure why you quoted me to make this point. You do realsie thats what i was saying don't you? i was disputing someone else's idea where they thought an atheist wouldn't care...

The real reason people generally dislike Atheism, and the reason that underlies most of the other reasons, is because Atheism is nearly synonymous in terms of connotations as "outsider". Although America has a secular government of laws, many societies in the past explicitly used a specific faith as a defining aspect of their nation and communities, and the whole of Western Civilization was seen as being the same as "Christendom". Americans are simply carrying that prejudice over, but on a more local level.

Yes, it's a joke. No question.

1. There's no place on the site to contact them.
2. Their domain registrar notes their contact email as a Gmail.com account.
3. There are no names associated with the site. No pastors, no locations for their church, no mission statements, no affiliation with any denomination or specific church.
4. They're hosted by the same company as Landover Baptist, a well known satire site.

If they were a real group, they've at least give you some way to contact them and some infomration about who they are.

There are dozens of these kinds of Christian Satire sites on the Web. Nothing new.