These are "supposedly" some real cards given to children by some christian denomination in the US . Anyone know about these ?

I'm not sure how many are Atheist in England... I've never really made it an issue to ask people their beliefs before or after talking to them.

That intrigues me a bit. Why are atheists seemingly so disliked in the States? Is it due to some vague idea of atheism threatening to destroy the social structure, or some silly notion that atheism = communism?

The States are a theo-democracy - IE you can only be in a political power if you're religious and praise jesus.

It's a combination of religious propaganda and the cold-war propaganda of communism and its causes.

Just for you - A breakdown of Athiest/ Agnostics by country.

When I was a christian (I thought I was) I didn't dislike Atheists but I didn't trust them & thought they were only concerned with sex,selfishness & money. I assumed they had little or no morals.

They are analytical & sober (in their views) and often quite moral as in not harming others.

I can relate best to agnostics though. Nothing is an absolute yes or no. No black & white.

I like that.

I dont and never have in my life lived in ENGLAND

But here in N.Ireland it is all mainly 95% based on christianity....the odd muslim and hindu live here as well...but for many years all we ever knew was christianity...

I doubt i have met an atheist in real life..heck I have met a Jew once...but thats it

the only time I ever got to speak with atheists, was on here

Im glad I have met some...end off

Funny thing about that long list


I never saw Ireland or Northern Ireland (which is actually a separate country)

Maybe because it's based on the top 50 countries of atheist/agnostic populations...



The Republic of Ireland is primerily Catholic... So, no chance of them being in the top 50 countries.




Cheers~ .

I dont live in the REP of Ireland either

I live in Northern Ireland..and it is - christian ..meaning catholics and protestants...hardly a mention or a chance to speak to an atheist....

That's an explanation I could buy.



Interesting. I knew Norway was a relatively secular country, but not that it would be that high on a list of atheistic countries.

Percentage Saying "I know God exists and I have no doubts about it" by Nation in the 1991 International
Northern Ireland - 61.4%

Percentage Saying They Definitely Believe "The Bible is the actual word of God and it is to be taken literally, word for word," by Nation in the 1991 International Social Survey
Northern Ireland - 32.7%

Then why are you surprised Northern island isn't mentioned

Britain doesn't include Ireland - that'd be the useage of United Kingdom. Britain refers to the single Island that England, Scotland and Wales sits upon.

I think people 'fear' and harbor anger at atheists for one reason - they might be right.

and I thing the reverse is also true , you see atheists go out of their way to argue religion right here on the boards, why ? - because there just may be a God.

when you can't prove or disprove , both sides are skittish.

If those are accurate figures which i shall assume they are. I am actually suprised. I know there is a strong influence of religion in America but i didn't realise it was that much more religous than we are here. For me though most people i know are agnostic with a good few atheists. Most people i do know that are christian are not pushy in their views so many would not know they are religous. Not bexuase they feel any need to hide this opinion but simply becuase it is taken as a personal belief and faith so only ever discussed if someone has asked a direct question concerning it. Most people i know never even realised my ex husband was a practicing catholic but our difference in belief was never as inssue between us. just lots of other stuff.



very nicely put

I read some poll results a while ago that showed that all continents except Europe were becoming more religious. Religion was declining in Europe, if I remember correctly. I'll see if I can find the link again.

EDIT: here it is - http://www.abqtrib.com/news/2007/sep/01/te...ates-religious/

When you show a list of countries throughout the world that has atheists..then why leave out the odd country??


Why only mention those that have many?? if you are going to do it...do it right

and yea I know britain does not include ireland..hows about you telling me something....................I DON'T know??

oh and when I mentioned about where I come from...for some MAD reason you suddenly mention this...



ENGLAND!!!!!!!!!!! <---sigh...I did say where I came from...but I sure as heck never said I came from England

HA..really?? this is awesome raptor...its a pity more and more arent speaking out

I for one would love to see a breakout of people lie this..it would make the place a lil more relaxed to live in....instead of fearing what would happen if they did speak out

They didn't leave out the odd country, they took statistics from many different countries from throughout the world, then listed the fifty with the highest proportion of non-believers in god. Northern Ireland has very few atheists so obviously it didn't reach the top fifty cut off point.



Because that's what they were interested in finding out....



You told him how many atheists there are where you live, so he told you how many there are where he lives, not really a mystery lol.

I don't know if it's satire or not, but here's the website that came from. Click. It's so ridiculous.

Just for you, BM - Religion in the UK.

Well I did say I havent met any atheists over here

and for some mad reason in come chok..banging on about ENGLAND!! and im like WTF?? <--only cuz I never said i came from there



Yea I know what I told him...and...............................??

btw you must have loved this post..you did it TWICE!! LOL

Cheers for that


I think its a shame that this country N.Ireland alone was built on christianity...to be fair i think people should have been given rights to stand up and say this is not for me...

Maybe this is why i never met an atheist

Even I was scared to tell people I think it all sucks...

That's my point. Chok is from England, and was just sharing his own experience with you.

I'm surprised that you say you can't remember meeting a single atheist before, though. I know dozens, even many in the Republic of Ireland...



Heh yeah. I just replaced it with something else, though. I'm so efficient.

then he should have been more clearer lol



I laughed when I saw it lol...

Anyhoo my point to this is...I wish people where I come from would speak up and quit being afraid of what may happen if they say - We do not believe!!

chok had as much to right state wether he came accross atheists in Englad as you did to state who you met where you are. I think you misunderstood and thought he was implying he came from the same place as you. I didn't see anywhere in his post that implied you were in England as well this was an assumption you made. I think what we have here is just a little misunderstanding.





I read that as a freindly reply. You said there aren't many atheists where you are and he replied that he doens't know if there are many where he is as it's not a topic much discussed. I can't see why you are taking offence. He certainly wasn't 'banging on about england' he was merely stating where he is in the world so that his comment could be taken in better context.

I'ts no good saying this is the way things are here if no one says where here is.

And christians never ever laugh and mock other beliefs??


YEA?? and the bear never takes a crap in the woods neither

Sadly, no, that website doesn't seem to be satire.

where do you get i'm basing my opinion on the svs thread? in my everyday life i've lived with, lived around, and been freinds with plenty of atheist. and that's where i formed my views, some are rude and disrespectful to people of religion and religion itself. therefore creating tension between the two sides, then when any religious person strikes back it's oooohhh you pick on us poor atheist all the time.......come on. like i've said i've known many, sometimes i feel like i'm the only one who isn't an atheist. my best friend in school was atheist. though a few have been extremly rude to me because of this i NEVER hated any atheist or been disrespectful to any of them. what because i called them to damn sensitive.......they are, sitting there acting like no christain or any other religion ever been killed or discrimnated because of there belief but say a little peep agiast an atheist OHHH THE HORROR!

WOW there was me thinking Chok is big enough and smart enough to explain things himself...but all of a sudden you think he cant....marvelous... whats next??

Do you think Chok could go potty by himself too without help??

I don't think it goes the other way around. Atheists such as myself don't hang around here because there might be a god.

And atheism isn't based on the will to disprove the existance of god, but rather on the fact that religion is totally absurd, arbitrary, destrictive and completely incapable of giving any answers to any of life's questions.

WHY is it when someone is pulled about hate...against IE - Gays..they all of a sudden say -- Why I have friends who are gay so ner ner

Pulled about hate for - pagans - Why I dont hate them, some of my friends are pagan

Pulled about hate for Marmite lol.... - Why I have friends that eat Marmite...

Pulled about - hate for muslims - Excuse me, I dont hate them, I have muslim friends


and then this - I dont hate atheists, I have friends who are atheists


Listen up regardless who the heck your friends are....you sure as hell are not going to explain your inner thoughts and true feelings about their way of life PERIOD!! and if you did...well crikey then I wouldnt think they would be your friends

The reason - as it's stated on the website - are the top 50 countries with a high percentage of Atheism/Agnosticism.




I never said you were from England... You said there were not many Atheists in Ireland. So in my not knowing of how many were in my country, I stated: "I'm not sure how many are Atheists are in England..."

Do you just decide to not read anything and jump to conclusions...

i all of a suddon have atheist friends because.......i have atheist friends. i never had a gay friend so i don't use it when talking about gays. he said i was forming my opinion of atheist just from this web site and i said no i got my opinion of atheist from being around them all the time.

...didn't see the laughing face huh?

Do we need to start using "[joke] [/joke]" now. Seeing as the faces don't offer any clues...

I could be like you and sit back and allow others answer FOR ME LOL

could it be you should have been a lot clearer?? yes?? No??


WAIT dont answer chok...wait and see how many do it for you

It has got to be satire. Check out the Creation Science Fun Facts a little bit down on this page (the one with the giraffe). In it the giraffe says that dinosaurs still walk the earth and there is a link to this. If that is not satire, then these guys are really, really insane o.O

EDIT: I am starting to suspect that that site is serious. Wow... that's pathetic.

You didnt say you had a friend that likes to munch on Marmite either so what on earth is your point??

Didnt you see I was laying out examples??? did you miss the part where I wrote - IE - <-----------that dont mean diddly to you???

now if atheists are your friends and they read all what you have written...i seriously doubt they would remain your friend!!

She was just explaining - as did raptor - why your conclusion jumping was a wrong thinking...

Stop getting so emotional...

Edit. I forgot to add. [joke] [/joke].

Turns out the emoticons don't work to enforce this.

He says he's sorry, he should have been clearer.


EDIT: Way to post for yourself, Chok.

there is no need to get all upset I was simply making a suggestion about how I saw the situation and felt you had jumped on his post having misunderstood it. I personally can not see how you read it as him implying you were in England. Me stating that opinion is in no way implying he can't speak for himself. I also don't see why me pointing out that you may have misunderstood his intentions is any reason to attack me.

Also you were not engaging in a discussion with chok about his opinions but debating the comment with a third party. I was merely agreeing with the way raptor interpreted this interchange. I am sorry you thought this was offensive.

I see what you mean LMAO...I love it when people say -- ohh I was kidding <--with no emotions that show it...

I have friends that...................are.............. ________________________ <---feel free to fill in the blank LOL

Well I'm sorry for not sitting on my ass refreshing the browser incase I see someone replying to me. And also for not staying on the computer every second while it's on. But, then you gotta think. Are they replying for me, or are they replying for YOU. Yeah, 'case you're in a sense of wondering, they're replying for you.

Could it have been clearer? Well, everybody else understood so no, it was clear enough.

Could I have been spelled out A to Z for you? Well, even if I did you'd still get over emotional to it and shout at me. [joke] [/joke]

upset????????????????? lol nah you got sarcasm confused with upset...try again lol

PS chok always handles his own replies...but for the record i know what and why you did it...but see Rapror had ALREADY explained it long before you stepped in

yeah i seen what you were doing with the examples i'm not dumb. but i also know you had to be calling out what i was saying because you wanted to challenge it or you wouldn't have responded to it. you like to instigate arguments with anybody beckys mom i know this you might not addmitt it but i watch you

also nowhere anywhere on these site or on here or in real life did say i hated atheist. i said they are to sensitive and some disrespect people of religion. that's hating them? i tell them that all the time. and i didn't aim it at all atheist either, key words i've said A FEW, SOME. just like SOME christains and A FEW muslims are idiots.

WHat alllllllllllll 2 of them??? wow


So when I said - not where I come from...and you replied with.... im not sure how many in England are blah blah

dont you think that maybe this would be a hell of a lot clearer..............

Well over HERE in England im not sure how many atheists blah blah <-----------------shot in the dark but that would have been a whole lot clearer than your 1st response

Yes i know i was agreeig with raptors point but only because i got the impression you hadn't fully understoond what he meant. I think he made another comment before i completed my reply that cleared this up as did you. I was bad and wandered off to make coffee while the reply window was open, my bad
Anyways there was no offence meant and it's all done now.

I kinda liked Hopsiah the kanga-Jew.

http://objectiveministries.org/antioccult/

..What? According to that, LaVeys Satanic bible is an instruction manual for sacrificing Christian babies to demons. Those guys can't be serious.

Or at least I hope they aren't serious.

Now that is creepy



You dont have to utter the word I HATE THEM...all you have to do is blame them for most of the hate that you believe that happens..and BINGO anyone can read between the lines

ehh what in the name of mash potatoes are you on about?? a FEW muslims are idiots but SOME christians are idiots ?? why are there only a FEW muslims that are idiots....and why only some christians??

you made muslims look worse than christians ...why not just say - A number of both christians and muslims are idiots??? <----might have worked

Let me guess you have muslim and a heap of christian friends too?? do either of them like marmite??

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(Read it all, not just a clipping~)

To which then Tiggs linked Me to the "Top 50 countries with the highest populations of Atheists/Agnostics" (notice "TOP 50 COUNTRIES".) To show me the percentge of Atheists located in Britain in the 2005 consensus (<< Probably the wrong word. But it's the only word popping up in my head that refers to a large scale questionaire type of thing.)

I swear there's some sort of paranormal thing going on when we read each others initial posts... I'd ask if you agree'd, but then there's that paranormal thing.