p.s

Please forgive me. I forgot to say in my outburst that of course Europe is very grateful for America's intervention.

Lottie

LOL!!!

No its not over yet is is!

Here is me still harping on... Going to shut up now!

Hilter was defeated by over confidence.

Joc

America wouldn`t have entered the second world war if it had not been for the Attack on Pearl Harbour.Up until that point your country was perfectly happy to sit on the sidelines and watch while thousands died in Europe.
As for Normandy I can tell you my greatUncle who was a engineer was one of the first to land on those beaches.He was proud of his involvement in the war.My grandfather served in france and fought years before any Americans went there.
Go back and read your history books and learn a thing or two.

For you Joc,

Here is a good site about the history of World War II.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwtwo/index.shtml


Maybe of interest to you to read up on Pearl Harbour a Rude Awakening http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/war/wwtwo/pea...arbour_01.shtml Which is within this site.

Maybe I am wrong, but the Spanish Armada, were they actually trying to reach England?? Weren't they heading for the Netherlands.. just a question.

Or, is it that the Dutch and English were allied in that time for a short period between several wars?

I was always taught that the Spanish were heading for the Netherlands with the gigantic Armada but they were defeated and went around scotland and ireland were they came in another storm and had gigantic losses..

Just wondering..

odin

In an effort to bring some sweetness back into this thread I hereby edit the
first post:

Hitler wasn't defeated by witchcraft.

Hitler was defeated because the whole world; especially Russia, England, France,
teamed up to defeat him. The valiant effort on the part of the European allies was aided in part by:

American Ingenuity

American KnowHow

American Bombs

American Tanks

American Soldiers

American Determination

all much more powerful than any witchcraft ...........


I never said America did it alone. I apologized for any offense early on. Was I forgiven? No. Was I excused? No. Instead I have been called a fool. I have been raked over the coals. Frankly, I am a bit amazed by the whole tone of the thread.

I think alot of you people have taken out your hatred for America on me....

.....so be it....

I am tough. I can take it. I am an American! No apologies for that!

Now get on with your lives...........this thread is over.....at least for me!

I don't think he fully caught on to what everyone was trying to say...or noticed the reason why people were upset by his own followup posts...hmmm...off to greener pastures...

Oh boy you're telling you didn't want to offend anyone blablablabla...and you just proposed this new-edited post without smilies and special effects...

Could you remove this too?

Good god...I go out to town for a few hours, and this thread goes to five pages, and every single one of them tearing the same guy to peices Wow...

But yes...fluffybunny is correct...much of the hostility that does exist towards the US exists because of the attitude that so many Americans have that they are the center of the world, and the mover and shaker of every big event that has ever occured in history...

As Fluffy says...you don't even seem to understand why people are angry at you. It's obvious you have no idea what you did wrong, and it's obvious you still believe that the Americans were the huge deciding factor in the war.

I seem to remember an episode of the Simpsons, where on the last day of school, everyone was leaving when a teacher ran out and shouted

"Wait! You didn't learn how World War Two ended!"

Dramatic pause...

"We won!"

...that does seem to sum up very well the state of your education on the matter

Everyone is pissed off because that is nothing like what you said, and it's not what you meant Dare I quote you? What you were stating was the ignorant and arrogant belief held by far too many of your countrymen that the US won the war, that the US flag was raised over every battlefield, and that you rushed in to save us all from certain defeat

To be honest, my sum up of the US involvement of the war would actually be...

"Joined in at the last minute, and took credit for the victory."

I won't deny that the US' involvement was a help to the war effort...and I agree that your country had a hand in the victory just like all the other countries that fought. However, your attitude to the French alone makes it very hard to belief your apology is anything more than empty, and makes it seem very much like you still think good old US of A saved the world for us

This thread has had it, I'm afraid. It's not going to get any better, is it?

EDIT: And while I'm here, could I just say that I think, joc, that some of your comments have been pretty deplorable - particularly those directed at Ronin. Please read the IM that I'm sending before you make another post.