Everything I post about in some way affects ME directly whether it be political, environmental issues or even various laws etc.

Don't mistake logic and opinion on various issues that I address as emotionally driven, I contribute to ensure my own survival not yours or anyone else.

What you think and what I know are 2 different things, your attempt to get an emotional response from me failed.

AG, I was unaware of you sociopathic ways. Glad I'm not the only one around here.

It's truly unfortunate what happened to that baby.

You are absolutely correct !

So which one are you? Born or made sociopath? Does your lack of empathy toward others mean that you also lack the ability to love? If so, I feel very sorry for you.

Do I care about a baby being murdered FOR ANY REASON? Yes. Do I care about people being slaughtered in foreign lands? Yes. Do I support the death penalty? No. Would I be upset if a dog, cat, or other animal had been the victim in this case? Yes. Do I think there is a distinct possibility that you claim to find no value in human life just to get a rise out of other people and distinguish yourself in some strange way from society at large? YES.

Born and no I have never really loved anyone although I am fond of some people though.



Why other species kill their young? Humans are no exception to the rule



Why it doesn't effect you in anyway.



Neither do I



Why humans are a predatory species that kill other animals, Do you get upset when a cougar kills a deer?



No I just don't deny who I am, I simply have no reason too at this point.

Also it's not that I don't think human life has value all life does, I just view all species equally whether it's another human being or a house fly.

While people here may view me as someone dangerous and disagree with me etc I just voice my opinion and why my opinion on such issues is they way it is. I don't try to separate myself or distinguish myself from society in anyway in fact I blend in quite nicely. Thanks to the anonymous nature of this website and others I can be more open about who I am without giving up my identity.

but may i ask why?

Life belongs to us, to each individual his own sacred life. I'm not saying 'God' gave it to us but it was given to us nonetheless, and you know... a little baby just began the journey of life, nothing in its control, no power to make a choice... just being a baby I guess and to have its life ended like that is not... is not right. Its wrong. Bottom line... doesn't matter if you are a sociopath or psycho who cant love... its just plain wrong. Not in my view or anothers... its just wrong on so many levels.
Have your views, say its normal, s**t happens, and make pointless debates, say its horrific and act like you will make a difference tomorrow...
I'm not saying its horrific or normal, I'm just saying whoever you are, your view changes nothing, it wont end a life or bring back this baby to life... another soul lost at the hands of man, have some shame, have some decency and leave your attitude at the door...

atheist, I'm sorry but we all have emotions its what makes us human. and i am pretty sure if it was your baby you would be singing a different tune on the matter. And to take the life of an innocent is a horrible thing to do and for a CAR, this made my stomach turn thinking about it this sort of "****" doesn't just happen. regardless, i think that opinions and view like yours should be left to ones self, to come out and say these things i cant comprehend what point you are trying to make, but I'm pretty sure that it is offending people because baby beheading dont just happen and its sad that people like this exist. it is only human for this to bother someone to hear this.

but this is tragic and i you say "Why other species kill their young? Humans are no exception to the rule" well you are wrong, as I stated earlier humans have emotions and rationality, THAT is what separates the man from the beast. I am truly sorry you feel this way over this. someone knew exactly what they were doing, why they were doing that and that is very disturbing to say the least.

every human has emotions and rationality regardless you admit it or not. I'm not scared of death either for it is an inevitability yet I respect the dead.Its just a shame that selfishness is another of the human characteristics in this case.

So admitedly your do have a heart!
I dont know why but "I blend in quite nicely" comming from you AG that sounds very intreaging (and i cant spell).
Also somewhat very spookie.
Ive heard the phase being able to "blend in" else where before and for some reason it scares the crap out of me.

Doesn't everyone try to blend in with other people? It is sometimes difficult because I feel disconnected from everyone, when I'm around people I guess the only word to describe how I feel is awkward and out of place as well. There are very few places aside from my home where I feel comfortable.



People die before their time it happens but dwelling on it does nothing really. Other species kill their young so why is it only wrong when humans do it?



What attitude people here are entitled to their opinions their views whether you agree or not.

If anything I would say you should leave your attitude at the door, criticizing people for their opinions and their views as opposed to criticizing the people who post here will get you no where.



No I would just make another one to carry on my legacy.



I have no reason not to post my views on these boards you may not agree with me or even get what I am saying but if you don't like what I post then don't read them.



I think emotions make people weak.

I am rational though, I wouldn't kill someone not because I think it's right or wrong but because the potential consequences that come with the act far outweigh the pros which for me would be personal fulfillment and self empowerment.

All species live by the same natural laws that we are bound by and we are still animals ourselves. I also hardly call the argument pathetic either because it's true whether you think so or not.

All species are different from one another but we all share the same origins and instincts, like other predators humans kill it's a fact of life people like animals kill one another sometimes justified sometimes not, it happens and nothing you can do or say would change this either.



My comments aren't intended to solve anything, I also don't hold your opinions against you either I may disagree with them but you entitled to them yes.



I am an individual like you my mind just doesn't work like most peoples do. No one is the same as the next person we are all unique from one another.



You are just assuming thats how it is... You have no idea

Fact is you don't know me and this hardly puts you in a position to judge me or others. I don't judge you or hold what you say against you it's pointless.

You are simply trying to start a flame war here by insulting not only me but other members here as well. As I have said before I merely express my opinions and views and why they are the way they are.



I don't claim to have all the answers just answers from my perspective which is different from yours. As to whether or not they are right or wrong I could care less.

Try to fool you? I wasn't aware that I was, I am who I am and if you don't like it to bad go post elseware.

this is the fourms we all have the right to post where we like

i think that was very wrong of the young mn an i to
aree that the death penalty should be brought back an
inforced

I personally don't find you dangerous. I find you lacking in the basic qualities necessary to relate to others in a meaningful way. I personally don't blend in with society much at all, so congratulations to you on mastering the art of disguising your true self. You seeing emotions as a sign of weakness is curious. Even less evolved species show emotion. You have turned a deficiency that you personally possess into a judgment upon mankind. Anyone who has never known what it feels like to love another person has my genuine sympathy.

Feel sorry for me? Do you think your better then me or something that you need to feel sorry for me?



Link Yes primates other then humans do kill their offspring.
Link So do Dolphins apparently.



How does some guy killing a baby affect you? Fact is if you never read the article or heard about this case it would have no effect on you at all.



In the over all picture of things in the universe we are insignificant. I do however place a higher value on my life then I would any other, I will do what it takes to survive because like all life that is my purpose to simply keep going and see how far I can make it no matter what. I understand that every other life on the planet does the same, and this includes you as well. You do what you have to to keep going and when it is all said and done no matter how much people say I am not capable of taking another life they can.

Within each and every person lies the ability to commit the most horrific acts without remorse. For some of this ability is closer to the surface then many would like to think and given the right situation everyone is capable of devaluing other life when their is at risk or for their own gain.

I won't lie if someone told me to kill a child or be killed I would not think twice about my decision.



As I said other animals kill their young yet you seem to only think it's wrong when a human does it.

Yes I do recognize the distinction between killing for survival an not.



You did assume and you do judge, you judged everyone here laying criticism all around and then made assumptions about me. There is no point on lying about it you did exactly the opposite of the above, there is no debate here just your denial.



You first post was directed at everybody and I was simply the only one to reply, as for respect I will give it when I get it and you have given me none thus far.



I agree



This forum does have rules though and making insulting remarks as you have do violate the rules. I could care less about how you live your life or who you are nor would I mock you for it as you have done to me. Your entitled to your opinions yes but instead of criticizing me which is what you have done just criticize my posts and don't hold them against me as I don't hold yours against you.



I didn't say it was normal for this type of thing to happen I am just saying that it does happen and not just humans do such things either.

People always ask the question why? There is an answer to that question although people rarely want to hear it and that is because they place themselves as a species above all other species.

Unlike you, I don't find myself superior or of more value than anyone else. I highlighted your statement regarding your opinion of yourself in red just to remind you that you do indeed feel that way. I feel genuine sympathy for you. To lack such a basic and necessary emotion as love would make my life feel empty. I know that you as a self-proclaimed sociopath do not understand the concept of sympathy or empathy so I can't even really begin to explain it to you. That would be like trying to describe a field of wildflowers to a blind man.



I read those links. Thank you for posting them. I take it then that you find this baby's murder to in some way be a survival trait?




If I had never known of it happening, then it would have had no way of impacting me. The fact is that I did hear about it and it did effect me. I won't bother going into my reasons why negativity perpetuated by others effects me. You and I clearly do not share the same philosophies on life in general, and it would be a complete waste of my time.




Of course everything on this planet does what it has to do to survive. The murder in question had nothing whatsoever to do with survival. The fact that you say you would have no second thoughts about killing a child to save your own life makes me re-evaluate my opinion that you are not dangerous. Whether a person would or would not do such a thing to preserve their own life is something that sane people would agonize over. As far as taking a life to protect my own, you are half correct. If I were in a situation where someone intended to kill me, then yes I would do whatever I had to do to survive, but killing an innocent person to save myself is a whole different matter. I would agonize deeply about such a thing, and honestly I doubt I would be able to do it. I hope I never find myself in that situation. As far as killing for profit or gain, I can state quite comfortably that I would never and could never consider doing such a thing. The very concept sickens me.




I honestly don't think that you do. You keep making the comparison between this child's murder and other species killing for food or as a survival trait. I will say again, this murder had nothing to do with survival.


Since the rest of your post was not in response to my posts, I will refrain from commenting on it. I do take note however that you chose not to address my comments regarding emotion in the human species as well as other species on this planet. Just as well really. It would be difficult for someone who does not possess emotions to accurately comment on them. I tend to refrain from addressing issues I know nothing about as well.

Athiest i would like to ask you a question. In your other post you said you wanted to live forever so do you not feel pity for the baby who does not live for even a year?

I'd doubt a dolphin would lop off another dolphin's head in return for a car. There is nothing about natural about what has happened to this child.

This story is alarming and very, very sad - that poor baby

AthiestGod, it's disturbing hearing you justify such a terrible act. You're entitled to your opinion, just as I am to mine - you speak about a natural law, I don't think your opinions on this subject are natural.

As for "I am rational though, I wouldn't kill someone not because I think it's right or wrong but because the potential consequences that come with the act far outweigh the pros which for me would be personal fulfillment and self empowerment". I have alarm bells ringing for you.

how can any one do that? is a car really worth that to someone?

Ok, I would like to start off by saying ... Animals have no sense of morals or ethics... so yes... they kill one another. Humans are not the typical beast, we have a memory that spans years and years where as an animal is ohhhh about 15 minutes for some, less for others.

AND, from all studies I have read and taken part in (yes, taken part is, IE... sat in that damn chair being asked over and over again the same damn question worded about 50 different ways) True Sociopaths are very very introverted. From all I have gathered from reading this forum, Mr. AG up there is nothing more than what I call an "attention whore" But You know... Thats Just My Opinion. Oh, and you can talk about not having any reserve for killing people... I used to think the same way. Pull that trigger once, your whole outlook will change.

There are some of you who wouldnt blink an eye when things like this happen and those are the kind of idiots who this forum do not need to hear from.Killing a child for a car?sick man thats just plain sick,He should be beheaded with a dull blade.nuff said."COLD PEOPLE SHOULD KEEP THEIR VOICES LOW AND FRANKLY NEVER BE HEARD FROM".

Whats up S.B.? Some people think so,Dumb people think like that,No cars are not worth that much to me,corse it sure makes it hard to get around with out one but I wouldnt take a life to get one thats just insane.Wonder what that guy was smoking or shooting into his veins?unless he is just plain stupid. He really deserves to die and the people who asked for the kids blood for the car should be dragged behind it with a rope around their neck also,but thats just me,some people seem to think things like this happen all the time but it doesnt and being a "COLD PERSON" doesnt give them the right to voice their opinion but this site seem to let them,I've been know to do cold blooded things but only to cold blooded people,but killing a kid for a CAR,thats just INSANE>

Your train of thought?

Yeah, but it would sure cut down on the number of repeat offenders and get some bad genes/social behaviours out of society.



Young humans are like other animals in this aspect before they are socialized. It is socialization that creates morals.



A sane person, or a person raised to believe a certain way? If I had no connection to the child, I would certainly never agonize over my decision. I wouldn't miss the child. I'd be here, and to me, that's all that matters. I don't believe in any cushy heaven that I could go to if I let the child survive.



Animals kill if it is profitable to do so. And that profit is not always food; it could be territory, or even annoyance. We just have different means of survival, and with our laws it isn't profitable to kill. Understand that if you weren't raised in a society that abhors taking life, you might consider taking the life of a resource-consuming, replaceable package of half your genetic code for a vast improvement of life. Take out religion, take out societal traditions, and what do you have that separates humans from non-human animals in terms of the existence of morals?

Morals are, in essence, derived from survival tactics and the learned connection between cause and effect (if I do no harm to you you might be less inclined to do harm to me). Things like religion create new effects, twisting morals into a societal thing (if I do no harm to you, I get to go to heaven).

I hear what your saying bro!

But.. eg-: Loins, tigers, crocodiles etc hunt and make a mess doing so for survival and that I can understand every living thing needs to eat.
But for a human to bring themselves to the point of harming an innocent child with such horror is beyond me.

Penguin Daddies keep hold of those little eggs for months on end when the Mums go out looking for food, (Pinecone) Shingleback lizards live as paired mates for up to thirthy years.

Prayingmantis tear the heads off their mates after procreating. This is what I class to be the only exception when it comes to using the example of origins and instincts. In this we only have one thing in common we all started out as microbs once.
For all living things to evolve from microscoping little thingies to a man talking off a childs head isnt justified natural in any means.

Admittedly there have been a few worthless people in my path that I would of been more that happy to dispose of for good reasons.
"A Lion will not move from a comfortable spot unless his pack is genuinly threatened".

The death penalty does deter repeat offenders. Big time.

If we were not outraged by such a disgusting act of Barbarity, would we still be human? It may continue, but that does not make it acceptable. This man should be subject to the treatment he gave the child. Should we not do our best to discourage, and hopefully eventually wipe this behaviour? It may be gene linked, perhaps this can be cured and an end my come one day. I like to live in hope the day will come.

I do not see "living with it" being a possibility to me.

PS Ahh, I see you covered these points Wraithgod, I was so suprised at this comment I did not make it to the end of the thread. Sorry for the repetition.

No, the stupid slimeball should have died working his backside off to feed those hypothetical children you mentioned. Killing another because you could not keep it in your pants is not justification at all. Another is suffering for repeated wrong actions. Memory retention allows us to learn from mistakes. Taking from another is wrong. Humans have morals, that is what seperates us, that is why this baby's life was more important than that of a Mosquito. Terrible of you to make the comparison too. Just plain heartless. I cannot imagine how this baby's mother would feel at your comments, they are unfounded and just aimed at cruelty. Do you get off on hurting others? You seriously should get a psyche eval because if your lack of sympathy is genuine, you seriously have something wrong with you. You seem to be enjoying the justification of this death. Rather concrening to say the least from a societies point of view.

BTW, Vulcans do not actually exist. Applying the logic of a fictional species would be illogical.
And it's Spock. Soock is a muppet.

Just because people have killed for reasons less than a car does not justify it. Murder is not justifiable. Sacrifice is something we have learned we do not need, the God's do not make the crops grow better, the weather follows it's patterns. We gave up on that rubbish some time ago. We have evolved as a species.

No death penalty in some african states. In Botswana they have the death penalty and there are very few murders. In South Africa they abolished the death penalty and murders and rapes scyrocketed.

Life is cheap here in africa. I could get killed for a cellphone. In Pretoria/Johannesburg my parents live in a security complex and you have no freedom.
If your car breaks down you can be certain withing 15 minutes an armed man will be there to relieve you of your posessions.

My dad had a flat the other day and he had to change it in record time (if work stress is not enought) to avoid getting killed/robbed.

Our existence here is pathetic with all the crime etc. In Upington where I live crime is far less. Not to say it is safe though. A docters wife was beaten and raped brutally 2 months ago while taking a morning walk.

When I get by degree New Zealan / Australia here I come

It's so horrible that this poor baby had to die,and for what ,a car!!!I shouldn't be surprised,though considering where it happend.
The people are mired in tribalism etc. Look at Rwanda,blacks killing blacks just because they belong to different tribes,though we in the west haven't been much better with our wars of religion and Hitler's attempt to eliminate,Jews,Gypsies,Poles,etc. anyone he didn't consider ethnically and racially pure or who opposed his political policies.Hope he gets the death sentence or life in prison.

Yes,life is cheap there.Lots of whites left Rhodesia and South Africa years ago and continue to do so just because of the crimes and chaos going on.
Don't know how it is in Kenya.

By the way, one can find some strange town names here in Texas.One of the oddest besides,Squeezepenny,Tx, is the ghost town of Babyhead,in LLano
County.Go to www.texasescapes.com and you can see a photo of the town's cemetery.
It got it's name because back in the 1800s,a group of indians made a raid on some of the settlers around there. They took a baby,whose head was later found on a pole or some rocks.Settlers moving into the area formed a town and named it after this poor baby's head.

This may be just plain old evil as in sorcery and not insanity.
Maybe someone with HIV went to the jujuman to get a cure and paid big for the blood of the innocent to wash away his sin.
So not into the innocent paying for the sins of the guilty but the guilty cling to that to this day in so many places and in so many way.
Evil.

Wow. The abolishment of apartheid has done zilch by the sound of things. I heard a rumour that one can have flame throwers fitted to the side rails of one's car there legally - is that true? Ones that send a burst of flame over the car so you can drive away in the event of an attack? I heard red lights are a real danger zone, at night I was told you just do not stop at them. Is it still compulsory to join the defence forces upon leaving school?

I find it trully amazing that the birthplace of mankind is not the most advanced place in the world. People have been there longer than anyplace. I wonder why it continues to have so many problems whilst other far younger countries continue to prosper?

Dead set scary. Get back to studying bud.

Agreed.

Sounds like another "Muti killing" to me

I totally agree. Once in my RE class we did a show of hands to see what opinions were on the death penalty. I was the only one in a class of about twenty who supported it. Bring back the death penalty and maybe it'll stop awful crimes like these.

This makes me completely sick to my stomach. Beheading an innocent child for a car! My mind can't even comprehend such a deed because it simply 'doesn't go there'. Animals kill their young and such, but they are animals and it is instinct to do so. To cut off a human's head is calculated and thought out. There is no instinct that tells you to do it--you just have to be really sick to do so. Some of the comments left on this subject are as disturbing as the subject itself. Everyone has a right to their own thought process but you have to respect others as well. If you are lacking in morals then there really is no hope for you. This is a sad sad sad sad sad story. My prayers are with the family of this poor innocent baby!