After years of being a Student of Anthropology (Origins of Humanity) of what the Experts (?) want the Common People (to the Experts "common" means the dirty unwashed) to Believe. I returned to the teaching of my youth to strive to become a Scholar of Parables. The safe, dependable and long lasting way to transmit Knowledge. The Ancients Greeks, Hittites, Egyptians, Chinese. Hebrews : wanted their Friends to know this Knowledge. However they knew that their Enemies would Reject.

Homer used the Trojan Horse to explain this parable concept. The Trojans saw The Horse outside their gate and worshiped it and took it in to their city. They did not know what was inside. The men that would open the gate.

You see there are fundamentally there are "Four kinds of people in this World" concerning New Concepts hidden in Parable/Seeds. My Teacher explained it this way.

The first Man says: "I already Know! so don't confuse me with any more facts.

The Second Man says: I find it somewhat interesting: However that is not what the "Experts say.

The third Man says: Yes! I can see the truth of the concept. How ever I have built my whole life around a different Belief I will Lose face and What will my friends think of me when I discard all those Books I Paid Good money for? No Thank you The Cost of Truth is to high.

The fourth Man says. This is Great. However I must Test the Concept and if True? Then I will use it to my Advantage!.

I have been asked to start a thread on the How were the Truths of the Ancients kept accurate?.

My second Post on this Thread will be on ancient Light Speed Communications in the light of parables. If there is any interest in this subject?

I have had so many complaints about my use of caps so I hope you like the new edits?

God, it's like reading a dully-printed Elizabethan book, but when in Rome...

SOMETIMES, Howard, a CIGAR is just a CIGAR. Not EVERY story is LITERALLY TRUE.
Certainly, the sort of most EVIL CONSPIRACY breathed together by black-coated, runagate TUTORS 'gainst the GENERAL SORT as you would have is passing UNLIKELY and like to be held together by a most ARTIFICIAL tissue of ineptly made ASSUMPTIONS.

--Jaylemurph

THE FIRST MAN says: “I ALREADY KNOW so don’t confuse me with any more facts".

Randomly HITTING CAPSLOCK BETWEEN words is the WORST idea in the history OF mankind. The "Ancients" WOULD be ashamed of YOU.

Come on I'm waiting to know how the ancients communicated at the speed of light.

You mean I am a shameless hussy

Give my detractors time to criticize my posting first then I will repost my mission statement and begin.

I need another mission statement as much as i need a hole in the head. Why not simply type out your point of view rather than allude to it, people will take you more seriously.

Because after about 10 SPAM posts no one will Know what the thread was all about and spin off into never never land. Then I will repost my first post Okay?

More proof we need a UM Junior so people can have practice learning to make a point before they start their own thread.


--Jaylemurph

There are more than 4 types of people. I have taken about 1000 personality tests and I am not the same on any of them. therefore it is deeper than that.

What I have learned is that most of the threads I have seen is that "our elders" slam post because they think they are All wise and all knowing. They must protect the rest of the Heard.

Well, it's a moot point for this thread, isn't it, since you've yet to post the actual promised content.

In my case, anyway, it's the exact opposite of what you allege. People come here with the idea in their head that they alone are able to understand All of History and Science and are here to teach us all. I just point out that they, in fact, often don't have a basic of understanding of history, let alone the wherewithal to knock it all down and create a new history.

But if you and your dilatory caps lock /do/, by all means stop this cunctatory and do so; just don't do this new UM trend of 150 posts of saying "I know the answers" and then not giving us the answer.

--Jaylemurph

Mirrors.

Everything is smoke and mirrors so don't look at the man behind the curtain.

Nature, on the other hand, is infinitely complicated and is often at the disposal of those who know her magic.

The Osiris legend tells the story of the building of the pyramid from the human perspective of the actions of the Gods.

Probably most of the old legends are true though not necessarily literally true and they are mostly untranslatable because the points of reference have been lost.

Heliographs mercury clad mirrors called “Aspas”

Xenophon (434-355 BC) an ancient Greek war hero and historian wrote a history of ancient Greece called Hellenica, which contains the phrase to

“Signal with a shield"

This is thought to refer to “reflecting sunlight” with a mirrored shield.” That shield was called an ASPAS the Ancients word for snakes The messages were called “aspasmos” “to handle the snake”: yes they were what you would call snakes.

The King sent Pereus to Gorgon (the land of ugly women) and to Medusa the monster woman with snakes for hair. I am sorry but they were asps :Xenophon”s bright shields NOT SNAKES.

NOW HOW WOULD THE DESCRIPTION OF A COMMUNICATION NETWORK TRANSLATE OVER THOUSANDS OF YEARS OF REWRITES?

MEDUSA'S HAIR OF ASPS

Were her many "Sentinel outposts" manned by her faithful Gorgons really her eyes and ears from the Horizon to Horizon and beyond.

THE SENTINEL OUT POST HAD ONE EYE

This was a mirrored shield that the Gorgons would blink messages to Medusa and to other sentinels outposts that allowed for direct communication with Medusa. The mirrored shields were called Eyes or Cyclopes (sorry that word Cyclopes means a piece of copper with a bright finish not a one eyed monster ) and the Egyptians called them Ra-Hararkhte: Horus of two horizons. These were Quicksilver coated copper shields/disks


TO LOOK UPON MEDUSA
WAS TO BE TURNED TO STONE.

Because of the communication system which Medusa used with her faithful Gorgon Sentinels, she was able to keep a constant watch on strangers, merchant caravans, and enemy troop movements. Medusa could set up ambushes with her troops long before the unsuspecting visitor could even know that Medusa was aware of him. It must have seemed as if he was moving like a stone when events overtook him.

PERSEUS'S ADVISORS

Now Pereus had some smart advisors. They were the Nymphs "Smart young women" at least as smart as Clytemnestra. These Nymphs gave that young man some good advice.



CAPTURE A SENTINEL OUTPOST AND ITS BRIGHT SHIELD

The sentinel outpost had to be captured so that Peresus could use the sentinel Eye also known as a bright shield to tell Medusa that he, Peresus was moving away from Medusa when he was actually coming toward her.

CAPTURE THE CITY

Because Medusa was unaware of the approach of Peresus, her defenses were down. This was because she had grown to rely on the mirrors to blink a warning before an intruder could enter her city. This complacency made it easy for Peresus to walk in, and, with his IRON sword, defeat Medusa.

As the "A Team's" Hannibal would say,
"I love when a plan comes together."

A question for you Howard, where can we find the Egyptian texts which describes Horus of the Horizon as mirrored shields, per the underlined?

Yes! I will give you that as soon as I can! I'm a very slow typist.

"Pegasus"

The best snap shot of the uses of aspas is of the Hittite Winged Sun Disk is a bas-relief sculpture of three men holding the mirrored unit, which is found in the collection at the Metropolitan museum of arts. This sculpture has been dated to 2000 years Before Christ. That is a thousand years before Clytemnestra and Princess Entiu-ny. Two of the men in the relief are stabilizing the device and directing the reflective beam of light. The third is stabilizing the other two men arms. A round disk on a pole was used to blink the mirror reflection This is one of the small portable units used in battle and was carried on the backs of horses, just as General Crook used horses to transport his Heliograph to the top of the mountains Homer's Bellerophn found one of Medusa lost horses with a sun disk aboard with its wings folded over the horse's flanks. That is why Bellerophn named the horse and its load "Pegasus" and Bellerophn used Pegasus to defeat the Chimera.

Homer was BLIND and every thing he spoke of was from a blind mans perspective so you can not take him as an eye witness. When Homer was told of a horse with wings on its back that gave its owner an advantage in war: Homer explained it as a flying horse. The ancient translation of the word we pronounce Pegasus is “Aries PEG-ACE” Which is Aries : Mars the god of war, “PEG” which mean a “stratagem” and Mirrored pool and “ASPAS” the signaling bright shield

I will type out the refrence to Horus as fast as I can.

this made my eyes bleed. I had to look away.

ToTaLLy.

CAPSLOCK MAKES ME SOUND MORE URGENT AND IMPORTANT AND PUTS STRESSES IN WORDS THAT I WANT YOU TO SEE CAUSE YOU PROBABLY CAN'T READ.

ToTaLLy.

The Mirrored eye of Horus

The Egyptians had a belief that if they would place a pool of ink into the hollow of their hand they could see the future (Chiromancy Hall-Quest P211-212): but it was not always ink, no in the distant past it was a pool of Quicksilver (Mercury). That shiny molten liquid metal in their hand would make a mirror and a face would gaze back at the seer. In Egyptian the word "Hor" translates to face, in English: ( Cyrstalink .com
In the distant past a refection of one's face? the reflection of the sun in a mirror.

The most impressive of all heliographic watchtowers is still standing the Great Pyramid of Giza four hundred and fifty feet tall with a platform. As I have mentioned, the means of transmission was a "Line of Sight" system and the machines to transmit that code were mirrors and beacon fires. The word Pyramid in Greeks: is broken down to "pyra” which means "beacon fire or lights" and "mid" or "metronto count or measure. The Hebrew word for pyramid is Urim-middin is "Urim" which means "lights" and "middin" to measure or count On top of The Pyramid on the back of the US one dollar bill has the Eye of Horus, that machine was a golden mirror that would be winked with a disk or eyelid on a stick to transmit the code.



PYRAMID TEXT
Page 117

"O Height which is not sharpened",

The Platform at the top of the Great Pyramid.

"Gate of the sky… Grasp the King by his hand and take the King
to the sky that he might not die on Earth."

A communication system flashing through the sky giving the King to have knowledge that could very well save his life

.COFFIN TEXT
Passage 148
I am Horus, the great Falcon upon the ramparts of the house of him of the hidden name.

A heliograph on the top (rampart) of the Great Pyramid.

My flights have reached the horizon.

Blinks of light “the message” could be read as far away as the horizon and be transmitted to the next horizon.

I have passed by the gods of Nut. I have gone further that the gods of old. Even the most ancient bird could not equal my very first flight.

Coded Blinks of light traveling at the speed of light beyond the horizon.

I have removed my place beyond the power of Set, the foe of my father Osiris.

Messages traveling through the air high above the enemy on the ground.

Thanks Howard West.

I'll take a closer look at this a little later.

You have implied a possibly new understanding of the tower of Babel as well.

Which pyramid text is that by the way?

I don't recognize the translation.

I've believed for over a year now that we're gonna crack this thing.

If Manetho, Horapollo, or Petrie had the net I bet they'd have it all wrapped up with a pretty bow several years ago. Newton would have done it in twenty minutes.

Ha! I knew that pyramid never had a capstone on it for a reason! At one time, one of the pyramids supposedly had a sitting statue on top of it. Perhaps it was to hold the heliograph. That's a good description for Pegasus as well.

HW, do you mean this picture? These dudes got tails!?!?!?!?

Thanks for answering Howard. A few minor things:
You are speaking of Heru-Behutet, not Horemhaket.


Please define how you have come to equate Horus with a heliograph.

This last line is mistranslated. Coded Blinks of light traveling at the speed of light beyond the horizon. It should say: for I have overpassed the gods of the sky making my position more prominent than the primordial gods, even the contender bird cannot equal my initial flight. When read in context, this simply explains the growing prominence of Horus and his rise to preeminence over the other Gods save for Ra-Horakhty for whom he was fighting.


Again this simply means he has exceeded Seth in importance.


Please also provide the textual source for this and your elaboration as to how you ascertain they used mercury.


Can you please provide the utterance no. for this.

This is an interpretation I have not heard before. Supposedly, the Greek word was rendered 'pyramis,' meaning wheat cake, a pyramidial shaped bread/cake.

Where I come from we call them get down ropes. When you have to keep you horse near to you. Tuck them in your belt and in winter I where a wooly Chaps and an ear flap hat. Yep! I am a dead ringer for thos "Dudes in the winter.

Their knees bend in the opposite direction to that of most humans.
Building pyramids just for heliographic transmissions seems a bit like overkill when the ancients could have just used their flying machines.

I can't seem to figure out how to read anything but the first
couple sentences of PM's so if I owe you one I'll get back to
you later.

It's best to wait for Howard est to reappear antway probably.

When in doubt look it (Pyra) up in a good lexicon.

I did not do my research on the "net" however I will have to learn: what is the proper "Formatting" PEOPLE HATE CAP LOCKS. Water over the dam. Most people use this "Medium". So "When in Rome" Do it the Roman "Way"

You ask?
Please define how you have come to equate Horus with a heliograph.


First when you view "Egyptian Art" they do not use "Three Point Perspective" they turn the important portions of their images out. Even if the part should behind the main portion of the picture. So you have to mentally refold the picture into three dimensions.
A process modern man has over come by the uses of "Three Point Perspective "

Now if you link to this site http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highl...p;retpage=15277

You will notice the leg and talons that holds up the eye of Horus (tripod) however usually it is depicted as a thick line from the base of the eye with a curved line also part of the suspension of the device. You will also a "Long Eye Brow" that was the "Shutter"

If you look at this image imagehttp://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights/highlight_image.aspx?image=ps267882.jpg&retpage=15276

Look at the end of the eye brow you will see vertical lines there . That brush would blink the golden mirror.

Now think of the Heliograph system from a "Standing Start" transmitting a message from Horizon to Horizon. That message could be sent and received before modern man's could even start the fastest supersonic jet.

"My flights have reached the horizon. I have passed by the gods of Nut. I have gone further that the gods of old. Even the most ancient bird could not equal my very first flight."

PS We get our word "Horizon" from the name "Horus"


My flights have reached the horizon.

I am not sure I am understanding this entire thread at all. What I have gotten out of it so far is that ancient man used reflections on shiny surfaces to communicate. Even if this is true, why is it spectacular?

I must be missing something.

Thats right your are missing something. That that ancient man used reflections on shiny surfaces to communicate. You don't get IT.

Comunications. Most people think that the ancients walked or rode a camel or something. That "reflections on shiny surfaces to communicate" was to them as earth changing as the Internet is now.


This the first of many Parables that most people don't understand. I will explain more. If there is anyone who would like to understand them?

Ya Ain’t never been around many cowboys has ya?

Please take a look at these boys now think artist’s conception.

www.canadiancowboy.ca

You say that:

"Building pyramids just for heliographic transmissions seems a bit like overkill"

I did't. I say that! "They used flat platform at the top was for heliographic comunication platform not the whole thing."

Okay, so they could communicate by reflection. I got that. I'm seeing something like an early form of morse code, being blinked from one surface to another. Is that what you mean? And how far could these messages be sent, and what is the significance as far as alternative history? What are you saying that this ability to send messages through reflective surfaces accomplished that goes against what most people already know of history?

I am not trying to be dense here, nor am I belittling or trying to debunk this theory. I just don't have a good grasp of what your claim is.

Okay I sorry too. Let’s look at from your perspective. However you don’t have a computer, landline, cell phone, or radio. How could you ask your Dad in town five miles away to bring home some bread? Some one would have to go and tell him from your location. Now I give you a cell phone and you call Dad. However that message is not phone to phone the signal is too weak it goes to a cell tower and is repeated. Then to his phone? Right?

The ancient Heliographs (some times called door or gates) worked the same way only Low Tech. You would use a small mirror to send a message to Dad However a Watchtower and signalmen not high tech equipment would repeat the message. How far will it go?

Even the Taoism religion a sect of Zoastrisiom has four Holy artifacts. The Four Bronze Mirrors of the first century. A trace of a type of communication system was mentioned in the 13th century traveler Marco Polo account of his visit to the Far East. The account mentions that the Emperor of China was alerted to Polo's arrival by sunlight reflected by mirrors between mountaintops along Polo's route.

The Celtic people of Wales and Ireland used the blinker type of code in Europe. This code system is called Oghams and is formed by incising from one to five straight strokes above or below or both above and below the base line. Again a Trinary type of code system or blinker code system

The piece of stroke that is above the line the stroke would equal a Morris code DOT and is the same as used for the letter E

If the piece of stroke was below the line that stroke would be a Morris Code DASH is the same as used for the letter T A short dash

When the stroke was on both sides of the line the symbol would be a long dash like the letter L a long Dash.

However each country might have its own way to write it down. So how far could it go

A good-looking woman named Helen (the wife of Menelmaus, King of Sparta) got the Ancient world in to a twist almost 3100 years ago after she was kidnapped: Menelmaus, Agamemnon and the Greek army went to Troy to free her. Even as the siege ensued, another woman waited in her palace, back at Mycennae in Greece for word of the battle. Her name was Clytemnestra, sister in-law to Helen and the unfaithful wife of Agamemnon the Commander of the Greek forces. Agamemnon had aggravated the problems with Troy by stealing Chryemneis , the daughter of one of the priests of Troy.
Clytemnestra was over 450 miles from Troy by land and 250 miles by a land-sea route. As she paced back and forth, she wondered how long must she wait for news of the siege . If Caesar Augustus's (27 BC to 14 AD) Postal System had been available to her, it would have taken four and a half days to make the trip from Troy, with an average speed of one hundred miles per day. If William F. “Buffalo Bill" Cody's Pony Express was doing the delivery it would have taken three days, based on the best time from St. Joseph to Sacramento. The carrier pigeon message system developed by the Arabs sometime between the 7th and the 9th century AD, would have taken two days if it came back at all. The square sailed ships of the time just would not meet the new racing yacht specifications of today and if the winds were contrary it could have taken weeks: and if Odyssey was in charge years.

The funny thing is that Aeschylus the Greek Dramatist Said that Clytemnestra knew that day. But how could she know? Did space aliens tell her? NO! Was she a clarvoincant? NO! An out of body experience? NO! Catoptromance (a magic Mirror) Yea! Now you're getting close.

OH! (light bulb finally goes on over head) I get it. I see how that would be considered spectacular, compared to the methods of communication we currently think of the ancients as having.

Now, another question. Is this argued by the scientific or archaeological community?

Faulkner R.O, Ancient Egyptian Pyramid Text, Oxford University Press, 1969,P 117

The third Man says: Yes! I can see the truth of the concept. How ever I have built my whole life around a different Belief I will Lose face and What will my friends think of me when I discard all those Books I Paid Good money for? No Thank you The Cost of Truth is to high.

No the price is too high and I am NO ONE! The information is there they know but not give out for the "Common Mans" uses.

Right you are, ravergirl.

There is at least one other sort beside Howard's four - THE FIFTH SORT.

THE FIFTH SORT are loonies that use too many caps, try to troll the board - baiting people that have some sense - and usually can't spell "herd."

THE FIFTH SORT are know-it-alls that refuse to even hear any evidence that might be contradictory to what the already have decided is the truth.

THE FIFTH SORT start out by placing people into four groups so they can thereafter claim each poster that replies belongs in a group they have already delineated and dismissed (if they disagree) or have already delineated and praised (if they agree.)

THE FIFTH SORT are usually new to a forum and are afraid to put the truth in their profiles.

THE FIFTH SORT create imaginary straw man "Elders" in a pathetically transparent effort to circumvent having to provide evidence for their moronic belief systems.

Harte

It's no wonder people come and go in this forum. The pettiness of some people is agonizing. Howard West stated right from the start that he had read some threads and noticed that as soon as someone posts something new and different, all you old timers - Harte for instance - pounce all over the new poster for whatever petty reason, and before you know it, the thread has been sabotaged. So, in light of noticing this phenomenon, he came right out and said he was going to wait for the spammers to finish with their rediculous criticism before he got down to business. You will notice that he also said "he was asked to make a thread" in this forum. Therefore, he must have something to say.

Harte, I don't know what degrees you have or what your education is, but whatever it is, it should have included some lessons in tolerance, listening politely, and not putting people down by calling them names - like loonies. I have read several threads in this forum also, and it is always you who thinks you have to put people down to make yourself look intelligent.

Ravergirl, if you have more than 1000 personalities, then I suggest you have a worse problem than Sybil and need to see a psychiatrist.

You both have totally missed the point - that being that an OBSERVATION was made from reading the threads as to what happens to newbies - so this particular newbie was taking care to get over than hump right from the start. And obviously, he was right. Just look how petty and narrow your posts are.

Can I impose on you to look up on page 117 exactly what number of the Pyramid Texts this is? I don't have the Faulkner translation and by the time it got here the thread might be gone.

very interesting theory, as i think u know it may seem new an incredible to some 'modern' folk, but man has been trying to get passed the above problem of relaying messages quickly without the effort probably since the dawn of language...perhaps stemming from coordinated hunting groups. popular culture knows that native americans use smoke signals, and perhaps also reflected light to send messages....the reflected light messages may be as old as shiny surfaces.
There are also many whistle languages too, often found in areas with steep hillsides.

btw did you know Archimedes was the first to design and use a death ray? using shiney surfaces to concerntrate the sun's reflection....he could burn ships with it.

i think that you have hit on a possiblility here, dont think that marrying the theory with myth is going to be productive, they already had rich symbolism and i dont think that a heliograph system had anything to do with jason, medusa, clytemnestra and the rest though unless the truth of the stories was completely forgotten and new significance was attached to them....its a bit too far of a jump for me. Not sure i agree with your translations either, or your spelling of famous Greek characters (this can be forgiven if your not that familiar with the stories) if however you're posturing from a position of authority about these stories and the characters in them then your position is immediately undermined by folk who know that Menelaus (not Menelmaus) was Helen's husband etc. but maybe that's just being pedantic.

your theory also relies on there being no capstone on Kufu's pyramid....you realise that the surface of the pyramid would have been smooth when finished, making getting up it very difficult with either bare feet or sandals.

i also disagree with your interpretation of the Eye of Horus.....I think that the first pic you posted, As far as i can see it depicts horus (represented by the eye, with the raptor legs) searching up and down the nile on the papyrus boat (which he is standing on) looking for the bodyparts of Osiris. The second, smaller eye may possibly be one part found here...and helps give the depiction its context. The reed boat is easily discernable, by its collective bindings under Horus' feet, and by the head of the papyrus visible at the back (stern?...not too polished on nautical terms).
while i may be incorrect, i believe my explaination of the picture to be more credible.

as i said you may be right in suggesting that the egyptians, and mediterranian cultures used mirrors for signalling, not sure it was a grid network or that it was transcultural though.

P.S. I also dont think your teacher was right about 4 types of people either. people always say things like that....like there's 2 types of people, leaders, and followers.... or those that can do and those that cant teach....things like that....none of it is true.
even though i may not agree with everything youve posted so far, i think it may be valuable for you to continue this line of research to see where it takes you.

hwyl

Please read what I write not what you think I mean.

"You see there are fundamentally there are "Four kinds of people in this World" concerning New Concepts hidden in Parable/Seeds. My Teacher explained it this way."

Is what I posted. Not that there are Four kind of people. Where do you did you come up that? Read what I say(you can understand even with my spelling) not what you think I am saying. I don't like defending thing I don't say.

I don't expect any one to agree with me.

Howard West

PS I will get to the bodyparts of Osiris in a later post.

Sorry, i did read it correctly the first time. I was saying that it is as untrue as all the other attempts to reduce the human personality, to four, three, two, six etc. types of people.
look at it this way....he is saying that there are 4 types of people (or maybe 4 ways of reaction) to hearing/reading something which they may or may not believe. He's a teacher....and while his experience may have 'taught' him this, he will continue to reinforce it through this filter of perception regardless of whether he has done someone an injustice or not.

Barmen do something similar....theres 3 types of punter (customer) for eg.
policemen do this too...
and judges...
and so on and so on.
they may be reasonable guides for the people who use them, but are never really true. all it takes is for one of the occupations above to predict something about the person based on this prejudice...if the prediction is correct it reinforces the view.
They are not always correct. Therefore while they may help the teacher/judge/policeman make sense of his world it could lead to miscategorisation and catastrophe for someone.

If he means, there are 4 types of reaction you could get when telling someone something potentially incredible...well then perhaps he's told a lot of 'tall tales'. and so refer to the above. when it comes down to it you could say there's 3 reactions, 1=Belief, 2=Disbelief, 3=Suspention of Belief. or maybe 4 afterall:- 4=Indifference.

he doesnt sound very wise.
but besides all that , what about the rest of my post?

http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2006/01/episode...s_death_ra.html

interesting, i saw the experiment replicated on tv, may have been the mythbusters one or a subsequent one ...dont know.
still...75m thats far enough...plus the havoc causing effect of turning it on the crew...even at 115m+
its quite possible that he caught the ship/s when they were still or moving slowly....
he may not have been successful himself in burning a ship, but as i said the havoc caused...

what are your thoughts on this article? and on the historical accuracy of the report we have? possible? worth mentioning? relevent?


what about the other issues i raised?

Sorry I could only bring so much down from the hills. (It is a 8 day walk from here oneway) So I just have the footnotes not all my books (I have tons). However you can Buy his book on the internet I think? You have the page number name and publisher.

sorry.
Howard West

Parables are Riddles of sorts. Not everyone is suppose to gets what they mean. They are not teachings.

My spellings: is it colour or color it depends on where you are from.

Of course people had other ways to send messages. My point is what is hidden in the parable of Medusa does it make sense. YES is there evidence of systems like that YES.

Do I care if every one agrees NO!!!
However when someone else says it and proves it to you: remember me.

no, this is irrelevent, you were mispelling the names of key greek figures from possibly THE most famous greek story. I only mentioned it in passing, pointing out that it undermines your credibility.

dont worry about it too much, you already showed that your familiar with greek myth.


...parables are teachings, they are a great teaching tool....which is why Jesus in the NT used them so often to get his point across about something intangible or conceptual. They are not riddles, they are meant to help everyone understand.

you are dealing with myths, which are rich in symbolism and may have some parable messages.



My mentioning of other instances of long distance communication was intended to reinforce your theory, not detract from it.
Still not sure about the Medusa story though....It may be in there somewhere, but the story is saturated with symbolism so its hard to tell.

Such an advantageous means of communication would not have been lost on the Greeks, (hence the mention of Archimedes) and the system would have been employed in a range of circumstances, for example....warning beacon lights (like your marco polo example) to warn of enemy troops approaching passes. Ship to ship communication, ship to shore communication, battlefield commands....
once picked up on, an useful idea or system like that does not just vanish into myth and parable...i wouldnt have thought so anyway. If it was used there must be some other evidence for it. I dont recall any offhand, but it may be worth a look, which is why i recommended that you continue your research.

might i suggest you try historical texts like cassius dio, plutarch,polybios etc...you could search 'mirror' in the perseus project website which is a great resource of classical texts...http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cache/perscoll_Greco-Roman.html

Also this might interest you:-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heliograph
So the earliest actual use may be even earlier than 405BC...
large trans-tribal networks may not have been possible for political and cultural reasons though.

also the egyptians made good use of mirrors, amongst other things they (ptolemies) used a whopping great one in the lighthouse of Alexandria
best regards.