Mediums being people who can communicate with/receive messages from spirits.

No.

No medium has ever passed scientific evaluation. No "powers" of a medium have ever been quantified and demonstrated in a controlled scientific environment.


The logical explanation is that mediums are fruads, or are, at the very least, honest people who are merely very good at intuiting things.

It's a hard one to answer.

I have trouble believing in the whole spirit thing... but then I go and and watch these programs like Psychic Detectives where mediums claim to be talking to spirits who have been murdered and the stuff the came up with is incredible!

I voted yes but with a 'that's if spirits exist' adendum lol.

Why do come psychics never come in small or large, only medium?

I voted yes... I believe there are people with these gifts.

Something doesn't need to be scientifically proven to exist.

I voted yes .

I believe there are more frauds than genuine. but there are genuine ones out there

Edit spelllings grrr

that's true. But all things that exist CAN be proven scientifically. Mediums can not. Therfore, they do not exist.

Providing that science has developed the means to measure it, radio waves existed long before the radio.

hang on a minute!!

I AM ZOZOANN! And I most certainly did not write the above message!! This whole net thing is sooooo new to me..guess I just cocked up on the key board!

Besides that, OF COURSE MEDIUMS EXIST!! For every 100 arseholes that pretend to be one there is 1 REAL one!! I know, my family have been to certain Mediums that have proven that fact. Others (my inlaws) are going at the momment and PROOVE the fact that most are charletans, even though they choose to believe the crap delivered to them!

Wow, I LOVE THE NET! This is so liberating, I so believe in all thats paranormal, not many people where I live do (a tiny eeny weeny village in the south of France!), the mentatlity here is pretty weird!

Dont worry though I'm English!! Here everyone thinks that the English are crazy and we're the only ones that believe in ghost etc....

Anyway, hope to make some "friends " on this great site...even if I dont know how to use my comp. properly yet!

Chow to all Z ***X

Interesting point.

But we were not aware of radio waves before we could detect them.

mediums claim to be aware of whatever they detect, yet they can not duplicate their claims in controlled scientific environments. Their results, however, CAN be duplicated by scientists using methods of deception and trickery.

Agreed

I have had visions.

In fact some off them have been so clear its like I am looking out of another set of eyes. The enviroment I see in these visions is as clear as the enviroment I see around me now. I'll even tell you how to have them and yes its very simple.

Say a word to yourself in your head. Repeat it many times over then just stop. You will find your mind trys to carry on repeating the word and you find it hard to get it out off your head. This is the secret. You see it works with images as well. You can picture a simple repititive image in your head and when you stop the mind still tries to keep it going.

Many people know about meditation. Closing the eyes, emptying your head and just letting your mind throw up images by itself. All you need to do to get your inner vision to kick in is picture something repititve until you get to the point where your mind continues it on even when you have stopped. Then just let your mind throw up images.

Basically what you have do is activate your subconscious vision and are using it to throw up visions. It works best if you are feeling emotional at the time as the visions are clearer but it will still works regardless. Be careful though, when the inner vision kicks in its quite a shock to the system. You'll snap straight out of it until your used to it

I'm pretty sure you aren't communicating with the dead, or with spirits. Sounds more like a chemical hallucination you can bring on yourself through mediatation.

I don't claim to be communicating with the dead or spirits. I claiim to be seeing events and locations.

I know from you're point of view you think its chemicals but what I see comes true.

I have told you how it works so please put your beliefs to one side and try it.

Like what?



I'm familiar with meditation.

A Lawyer Presents the Case for the Afterlife

The above site puts forward a whole lot of information to show that there truly is something to the idea of there being a spiritual side to life. You can read the book also:


A Lawyer Presents the Case for the Afterlife
Irrefutable Objective Evidence
-- by Victor Zammit
Copyright 2006

No. why? because you can easily prove that their "powers" are in fact mundane things such as cold reading.

thanks for posting that aztec . i have read some of it before but its amazing how much you forget .will read this tonight and gove you my thoughts .

I voted no, but I refuse to say why.

I am going to read Aztec's link though, looks interesting. Thanks!!

Do you take this approach to everything? Such close minded dependence on empiricism will severely limit your understanding of the universe. The mere suggestion that if something cannot be proved by way of science, it doesn't exist, is ludicrous, and I'm inclined to feel sorry for you.

I beleive...oh yesssssssss...........I do beleive

I believe some of the mediums are genuine, some I believe are charlatans.

I guess that goes in all walks of life though, so I don't see why this should be any different.

I was king of hoping the non believers here would aporach this topic in an unbaised manner. You have been told how it works so try it.

yes, to everything except God. i believe in God although there is no proof.

I don't see anything necessary for an "understanding of the universe" that is based on pure fantasy. You can feel sorry for me all you want.

Yes, I believe in mediums, all you have to do is look at one man.....Derek Acorah, psychic extremist. He is so powerful that he often becomes possessed by the spirts he contacts. Also, consider Sylvia Browne. She is the real deal too.....because, and I quote "orbs are angels". So those strange light pictures you get on your digital camera are in fact angels of God!! Ok, I'm just kidding. There are more fakes out there than the real thing, that is painfully obvious.

But I do believe in people with psychic ability. They are out there; they're just not the ones featured on talk shows and holding seminars where they charge upwards of $1,000 for a reading. I posted this on another topic, but all you have to do is consider the work of Edgar Cayce. He was not a medium as such, he didn't communicate with the dead, instead he tapped into what he called the Akashic records as his source. This man cured the illnesses of countless people from all over the country, many of whom he never met, (all he needed for a reading was the name and location of the subject), and this is without the slightest bit of formal medical training. He would go into a trance and give profound readings, so much so that doctors began implementing his treatments for their patients. Without a doubt he is the greatest american psychic who ever lived; no one even comes close to what he did for people. Oh, and for the record, he did not charge a dime for his readings, he was all too happy to do it for free. He would give readings until he was literally exhausted, just because he wanted to help people, and the majority of his life was spent in abject poverty.

phew your opening paragraph had me worried there . i heaved a huge sigh of relief when you said kidding LOL

I don't think so. It means we are not gulliable and require some sort of proof. Mediums are the easiest to claim since they can't prove it. Isn't that convenient? I feel sorry for you since you believe something with no evidence required.

Sure, I believe some are the real deal.

I've never quite understood this, but often religious people are even more close-minded towards mediums and such than non-religious people. Which is strange, because they have no trouble believing in an omnipotent entity floating above us. Is it because the bible frowns upon such things? Someone enlighten me.




Just because something has not been proven scientifically doesn't mean it's fantastical. But I appreciate your ideas.

I was once a hardened skeptic. I made the mistake of letting the many frauds out there (sylvia browne) speak for all mediums. Then I went to see one myself. I had beforehand read all about cold reading techniques and knew how frauds work. This medium altered my perception of life. She knew intimate details of my life which I had never told anyone and the chances of her guessing are absolutely ridiculous. I wanted to be skeptical, but frankly, to continue being skeptical after the reading I had would have been stubborn and stupid.

Yes.

But I also believe there is alot of false ones out there. Hard to know if someone states it if its true or not. Usually my opinion is no at first till they proof me wrong. Hard to convince me.

I see someone said it has never been scientific proven and other replied that something doesn't need to be scientifically proven to exist. True. I agree. Everyone has something they truely believe in, but doesn't need to be scientifically proven.
That's how our believe system work half of the time.

Same here, one way to figure it out, most of the people who brag about it, are usually fakes Of course, everyone knows that.

I was once a skeptic of it too, until I had some first hand experiences with a Vodou shaman channeling Baron Samedi, it was pretty interesting, and convinced me, and after that encounter I have only had one other medium I met who I believe was a real one.

I voted no, though I think that maybe there are some people out there who are real.

I believe in Xtra Larges!

yes
i do cuz last yr my mom passed an i tlk to her everynight
ani can hear her whenshe talks back

I believe in mediums for sure.