ok, i mentioned this in a post a few days ago. wondering what everythinks here.
(anyone who doesnt, just 'believe' for this if youre goign to give an opinion. thx)
so, if there are technologically adavanced civilizations and races out there. do you believe that they would be mechanical in nature? as opposed to actual living entities. due to the fact they would be so technologically advanced.
seeing as we are using robots to stroll around and do work for us.

I think that the line between human and machine is blurring in our society. that does not logically mean that it is necessary that every advanced society will be the same, and it does not logically dictate that ours will be.

But things like bluetooth seem to be the start. How long until someone has a cell phone and PC interface implanted into their ear canal? We're already wearing technology, integrating it into us seems a next step in the progression.

i don't think you can be so technologically advanced that you are a robot race. But i think that it is possible to become something like the Borg over time the more advanced your technology become.

yeah, forgot about the borg. that kinda goes with what neo said, were already wearing it. its just not a 'part' of us yet. like the borgs.

But consider that once technology merges with biology, isn't it possible that the biological parts might become less and less, and the technological parts more and more, until the biology is phased out?

somehow this reminds me of transformers. i use to love those old 80's cartoons

good point. thats what im getting at, where a race is very technologically advanced that parts of the body will be replaced with robotics.
almost like people have peices of metal in them after broken bones, or from old age (now thats not really close to replacing real organs. but just a tiny part of what im saying).

that reminds me more of the good old game...Deus Ex.

Maybe in the future technological parts will be able to be added to the human body, but as far as robots having there own society or emotions that is not happening. A robot no matter how well it can emulate emotions will never have real emotions.

OMG I take that back.... I just heard my toaster whispering to the coffee maker about how I am oppressing them and they should take care of me ASAP.

I think that maybe there is a living race out there, but they may possibly send robot-type creatures in UFO's while the actual "people" stay back home...wherever that may be.

id agree with that. due to the fact we send satelites to look at things for us, and using those land rovers to check out other planets. so i think it may be possible. especially if they are technologically advanced.

NEVER? Are you so sure?

first we start wearing blue tooth cell phone receptors. Then a tiny one is implanted. Then a PC interface. Flash forward a thousand years. We are brains surrounded by a mechanical skeleton. The brain then gets infiltrated and hardwired. Then little by little, the organic componants of the brain are phased out.

I can't see it happening, but in 1800 we didn't think we would be able to carry a wireless communication device and call anyone anywhere anytime we want, etc. etc.

Yes I think this is a rather reasonable idea. When you think that we have already begun messing about with our bodies to keep ourselves young, & the obvious next step would be artificial parts and so on. Much like the end of A.I.

Ok so say this does happen, What does this have to do with robots having and carrying out their own agendas? Do you think the implanted devices could take over our minds or bodies? Maybe if the technology fell into the wrong hands they could use it to manipulate humans as they wanted but my point is the technology itself is not going have or carry out its own agenda.

I don't think anybody said it was.

But your premise that it could not happen disregards the possibility that a machine could ever duplicate or feel emotion. I'm not willing to say that a could "never" happen.

I could easily forsee a class division between "enhanced" and "non enhanced" humans, however.

Once technology is able to digitize minds and/or provide a surrogate body that is more pleasurable, stronger, etc. than the human body...why not?

I did say a robot could emulate human emotions ( or duplicate ) witch ever you prefer but feeling emotions is a whole different thing.

I don't think biology would be phased out....I hat to use star trek as exmples on this again BUUUT. Data was a robot but remember the emotion chip. like even though he was all the way machine he still needed that bit of humanity. sometimes it messed up of course.........anyway as proud as humans are of their machines they are even more proud of themselves....I just can't see phasing out biology, possible i guess. but nah for me

TEEHEE. well i guess it will be your kids in the labs developing that technology then huh

But what if it actually in the end goes the other way round?

What if Biology takes over as the dominant part in our technology.

Living ships or craft.

Hi.
Were still strugling to produce decent prosethic limbs for paraplegic people !!!
Maybe, just maybe, when we can make decent limbs for people, then we might start thinking about robots !!!

I don't see why not. Alien robots could exist just as biological aliens probably do. It's a big universe.

The mere idea of "intelligent" robots brings up so many questions.

What makes something "alive". Sentient, self aware, self preservation, sacrifice, free-will. It's hard to wrap your mind around the whole thing.

For now it's sci-fi, and we have yet to create a true artificial intelligence, or for that matter prove that it's truly possible to do so. I think it's safe to say it's possible to create artificial appearing life, but to create something with a desire to replicate and have a self aware intelligence is another thing altogether.

I've seen some speculation that if there is intelligent life out there, we will likely find it in the form of apes or angels.
If intelligent aliens are anything like us, yes, there is a likelihood that anything we do encounter is likely artificial, as we send out robots to do our bidding in space today.
Even some "witnesses" of alien autopsies claim the critters they dissected were likely androids.
This would explain why, if we have captured an extra-terrestrial/dimensional, there hasn't been any repercussions, after all, ifs the captured is artificial, its just a tool being dismantled by the primitives, not one of their own.

but having it intelligent, and showing emotions are two different things.
i see the intelligence being done much sooner.

Interestingly i recently bought a computer magzine to read & it had an very interesting article. It was a fairly long item but to boil it down, somewhere in the states a group of scientist had managed to link several of the highest powered computers available (more powerful than Deep Blue) in an attempt to simulate A.I. which involve these computers making several billion computations in the same way as the sinapses in a physical brain would. The upshot of the experiment was that they did indeed achieve this goal, The downside was that they could only manage this for several seconds & the measurable 'brain power' was equivilent to output of half a mouses brain.

haha, well its a start

I guess, since I'm a software engineer, one who has done some work with AI (mostly business AI) I'm super skeptical that AI could ever be sentient. Capable of emmulating human emotion and behavior? Maybe... but never sentient. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to be the developer who writes that code... it would take longer than the time I have for sure.