I wasn't sure which section to put this in, so I decided on this one because it's got Ancient and History in the title... And those two words apply to alot of our traditions that will be lost in time because of..... well what ever reason really....

I live in Australia, and I am sick of the changes that have been made and are being made through fear of offending other people, races or religions.

A lot of schools now are not allowed to teach the young children to sing the old classics: Bar Bar Black Sheep, they now have to teach them: Bar Bar Rainbow Sheep.

Alot of the old traditional Christmas Carols we sang as kids are being banned from schools because they may offend none religious people or people of other religions- I was never religious as a kid growing up, but I loved singing the Christmas carols about the baby jesus being born on xmas day, just the same as anyone else did.

Santa's saying of 'Ho Ho Ho' is now being trashed and might be changed to Ha Ha Ha - What is the world coming to???

I think all these 'politically correct' changes being made are just stupid, I know as we get older, times do change and you have to change with them, but those fun childhood family memories were good, and it's sad to think that the traditional ways we were brought up, now have to be changed because some people are just too narrow minded and get offended by anything and everything!!

I'd like to hear from anyone who agrees with me, or anyone who doesn't. I'd also like to hear from anyone from any country, any religion or any culture about any similar things that have happened in your country or town, where things have had to change for the 'good' (note sarcasm) of mankind!!!

I agree with all you have said. It drives me to distraction!

No Baa Baa Black Sheep, no Black Board in schools (now they have white boards, is that not racist to whites? ) Only kidding on the bracketed bit about racism towards whites, but you get my drift?

PC correctness is a thorn in the side.

One town in England wanted to call Christmas "Wintermass" - so that it wouldn't offend people who did not celebrate Christmas! What about offending those that like the word Christmas and all it stands for?


You know what I think though? I think the authorities responsible for these ridiculous, stupid changes in rules are worrying needlessly. The things they are changing, or trying to change probably don't even bother those people they are trying to "protect" in the first place.

The whole PC thing is way out of hand and it is treating people as if they are too stupid to use their commonsense. (Granted some people are too stupid, but the majority knows whats what)

Just the example of "wintermass" illustrates the point perfectly. The powers that be were uncomfortable with one anglo saxon christian term for a pagan holiday so they tried to exchange it for an equally anglo saxon christian term for a pagan holiday?! It boggles the mind.

Why does spell check try to make me capitalize anglo, saxon, and christian? That REALLY ticks me off!! Maybe I should take that one to conspiracies?!

When I was a reporter, years ago, a wise editor told me there are three groups no newspaper will take to task:
1. Indian tribes.
2. Striking teachers.
3. Environmentalists, especially "Environmental Activists" (though I know of no university that offers a scientific degree in Environmental Activism).

And he is right.
I live about 10 miles (16 km) from an Indian reservation. These folks so love the land that they tried to get a nuclear storage facility on it. The Utah governor of the state stepped in and barred transport of any nuclear waste. So, these "spiritual lovers of Mother Earth" instead built a landfill (what used to be called a dump) on their reservation. Much of the trash from Salt Lake City is trucked into this landfill.
I have friends who live a few miles from this landfill. They've found all kinds of wind-blown trash on their land, including canceled checks that were obviously thrown away by some bank. So now they have the account numbers and, in one case, Social Security Number, of folks living in Salt Lake City.
A couple of months ago, this landfill caught fire and burned for three days! It sent a big, black plume of smoke into the blue sky and stunk of burning plastic and trash.
And what did the two Salt Lake City newspapers do? Not a single report, even though it was highly visible from Interstate 80, west of Salt Lake City.
After all, the Earth-Loving Natives knew what they were doing!
But if my friends (who are not Native American), who own land nearby, had burned a single tire they would have been fined heavily by state and federal agencies for air pollution!
It's a damnable double-standard.
And if a newspaper DOES take an Indian Tribe to task for wrongdoing, the tribal members (all 10 of them, in many cases) will go pound their drum in front of the federal building, sing the Sacred Chipmunk Song and the media will SWARM to cover that --- and throw any objectivity out the window.
I put myself through college because, as a white male, I had NO "equal opportunity" office from which to get grants.
It's like George Orwell's famous quote: "All are equal. Some are more equal than others."

The old classics? I thought it was a later part of it,
"One for the master and one for the slave." What local relevance does that song have now?


Who gives a toss whether it's 'ho' or 'ha'? Santa's long been incorporated into the money spent means goodness mould. Doesn't that bother you more?

Same reason it tries to make you capitalise cherokee, iroquois and buddhism? Because they're proper names and in the English language, proper names should always have a capital letter

I hardly see how complaining about having to type good grammar fits this thread?

Porthos --

"Christmas" isn't anglo-saxon (Old English really, the Angles and Saxon were people, the language they spoke once they got to England was Old English). It's Latin. Well, Latinate. It was orginally "Christ's Mass". Christ is from christus, the fourth principal part of the very "to anoint" and the name Mass , the Catholic Eucharist service, comes from the catholic Latin liturgy. At the end, the priest says "Missa est; ite in pace" ("It is finished; go in peace" -- to which the congregation replies with candidness "thank god").

Now, Easter is from the name of a Celtic fertility god named Eostre -- which is why the English celebrate the holiday with bunnies and eggs, signs not of Jesus and pals, but rampant fertility.

--Jaylemurph

then obviously your parents made too much money for you to qualify for a grant like pell ( plenty others out there) and or they were still claiming you as a dependant.

it wasn't about color. plenty of grants are availible to whites. I got mine when in collage ( a very private collage too) but then again I was on my own and very poor and white.

and you say nothing was reported about this landfill fire ? no one did anything ? hard to believe. very hard.

hey what about our government burning toxic waste ?

Over here its the silly baa baa rainbow sheep.

Some people planned or tried to remove the black jelly baby because it was considered racist.

there are some others but I will dig them out.

One "stupid" change around here was a brand of chocolate goodies, now called Brunberg's Kisses. Guess what they were called up until just a few years ago? ******'s¹ Kisses! You can still see the black couple kissing on the box. Some people actually complained about this change, too.

¹the n-word

The 'Christmas' holliday was stolen from pagan festivals. Everything about it, besides the Jesus angle, was originally celebrated with other meanings. The tree, candles, feast, presents, etc all have Pagan origins, not Christian. When the Church took over and forced people to become Christians, they found that they couldn't force people to stop thier old celebrations and feast days so they let the people keep them and changed the meanings to reflect Christian values. Easter is the same thing. Even the name Easter reflects the original holiday Ostara. This is strange considering that Paul warned people NOT to observe heathen 'days'. So by this is seems that any 'Christian' that celebrates Christmas or Easter (not just Halloween) is breaking the rules by doing so. As for the 'meaning' of Christmas, that died many years ago. Nobody truly cares about the 'true meaning' of Christmas anymore. It is nothing more than a gimme gimme holiday of selfishness and stress.

I don't understand why it's not "baa baa woolly sheep" if there's any changes goingto be made at all. "Rainbow Sheep" still insinuates racism, although very badly "concealed". A child will grow up thinking "wtf cares if its a rainbow sheep? shouldn't that be at some animal freakshow or something rather than providing its genetically improbable rainbow wool to the master, dame, and the kid down the lane? godamn! Those peeps are sitting on an untapped fortune!"
back on track though, if the song is sung without racist thought or intention, then can it still be considered racist? I don't think so.
We're messing with the heads of future generations damnit!

And the Santa "ho ho ho" thing is because some wench in Sydney complained that she found the term "Ho" offensive as it's the slang term for "Whore". Seriosuly, if you're going to get offended by an innocent cry of "ho ho ho" then you deserve to be removed from the gene pool... or you're a whore and keep getting distracted by Santa's apparent requests for service.

Be glad. With Political Climate, the changes due surely ensue. Here, my area, we're of the Military State, Dominion regime. In a county of Tennessee, US. It started by the police stating they passed their own ordinance they could enter your yard and "terminate" an aggressive animal. Then fine you. So, if your dog barked at an intruder, he/she was shot. Then they dictated no outside displays of agriculture products. Had to be behind a barrier. Then, no ads that were to be too visible. Had to be within their guidelines. Now, you can't park your car in your grass. Has to be on a surface. Can't be having too much.

It seems they're breaking under the stress. The dis-order they have created has led to many conflicts. Just last evening, I'm almost certain, I heard armor-piercing rounds striking a vehicle. Then automatic fire. As, they have allowed the seat of M13, a notorious Latino gang.

Next, of course, will be more and more reparations. As, they ignore that which ceases their flow of dictatorship from the oral perspective. And, blatantly disregard those who suffer mortal sacrifice. They have so many settlements, and futures, against; we will be re-ordered. As, it seems, Bankruptcy will have to be faced, eventually...

Yeah, changes everywhere. Borders' Fall, you may call it. But, hey: if you can afford it...live in isolation!

Ahh yes. A good, old-fashioned semi-coherent rant.

--Jaylemurph

I think it's funny that it makes me capitalize Satan, but not jesus! lol.

Haha we don't want to offend the "Whore" community now do we!

nice word there, semi-coherent. But if you're wanting to maintain any cohesion at all, please try and remain un-obtuse. As, it lends little to discussion. The purpose of this format where your strikes at the keyboard are for "reading".

Although, I'm beginning to recognize that many think along different lines, try and add a little. Constructive criticism of plaguing thoughts you find in-ordered may be more subjective.

If you were just wanting to be known as the 'carer' of all that don't care, then disregard. Otherwise, try input before the 'ENTER' key is struck...

It's not so much that I disagree with your content as that I can't figure out what you're saying. Your variety of stream of consciousness isn't successful and even your short posts seem vague and wandering from a cogent subject.

--Jaylemurph

I'm almost certain you meant cognitive. However, an apology. I tire so readily these days of everyone employing their "OFF" switch. Going nowhere. Just negating. You know, lend nothing; gain nothing.

Again, the purpose is to encourage conversation. If you'd simply copy/paste something that needs clarifying, it's not that difficult a task. But, I see you've employed the general clause of "NOTHING" again.

Try something society has geared for those in your position: SCHOOL. It's where you may learn conversation/converses in proper form. Rather than lingering over the keyboard, and stating an emphatic "Uh, uhh...", so to speak, you will aid in your development.

Have a nice 1.

curse those damn PC people. now I can't lable a person ' stupid white* moronic racist cracker hick bigot ' anymore even though it's perfect. have to find something more 'suitable' as to not to offend. How about inbred ?

gee such thin skins.

now granted PC has bled into some crazy area's ( as in Ho HO HO ect ...) but at it's base , respect for all , is still worth while to keep around.

* ps - I am white in case a bigot was thinking otherwise .

To curse one, these days, requires valid proof. Gained by the general target of the crowd to which there is to be influenced.

Slander, of course, can be re-set by a seated judge. Levied and garnished. However, if you choose a proper moment that others may benefit, you can inflict a twist of liable on the one to assume the defensive role.

Timing is important, and definitely veer from buzz words floating in the media. The common tactic these days is to bring about a remorseful sense of distaste on the intended.

If, say, you choose to embarrass someone with perplex of material they shouldn't have sourced; then all is fair game. You may, approach via whether there should be a "law to protect.

Therefore: gay-mann, B*tch, and Inflicted-detriment can all be applied. If others can profit. Easily done by waiting until an ill-thought is about to be applied by said victim...

Here's some input for you. Your posts are wordy and rambling. They rarely make any sort of cohesive statement or apply to the topic at hand. For someone advocating education for those who take you to task on incoherent rants, your punctuation and syntax are dreadful. Speaking as a college educated woman, I am fully unimpressed by your need to stretch your vocabulary's legs every time you respond on a thread.

Thanks Jaylemurph for voicing my exact thoughts on this matter in an earlier post. You beat me to the punch.

Now that I've gotten that out of my system, on to the OP's topic. I am in complete agreement with you on all of the PC nonsense. Eliminating obviously racist commentary is one thing, but it seems as though anytime color is mentioned in any way, shape, or form someone is right there to voice outrage. It's absurd. I also don't understand all the outrage regarding the acknowledgment of Christmas. I'm not a Christian, and it doesn't bother me in the least. I guess some people have nothing better to do with their time than to draw attention to themselves for complaining about things that deserve no complaint.

I agree with you - dude put the dictionary down . remember knowledge is power , but it reminds me of the person driven to learn new big words from the dictionary but not how and when to use them . No one is being graded , no final thesis due.

as for the ranting on Christmas ( it's not as bad as it was last year.) Christians started ranting on it's use/missuse and the use of terminology like Happy Holidays . Something as you stated deserved no complaint.

Just... don't.
Believe me, there's no point in us playing whose vocabulary-penis is larger. And not because I'm so cocksure I'd win, really, I just don't think it'd be very useful.

But I do take your point; despite what you seem to think, I don't constantly go around negating ideas. I don't accept every idea anyone floats around, I admit, and I think people who want to be taken seriously should have cogent (and yes, that's exactly the right word and context I want it in) and rigorous arguments.

--Jaylemurph

From where do you hail: I've noted the action of stating formal education is readily checked by Alumni status available via the .edu site of your college/university.
As it would seem that many throw this, in avoidance. I ramble to here myself these days, as many find it dreadful of me. They annoy me, I turn it to my advantage to continue in very, very wordy fashion.

If you are truly as disinterested in my opinion as I of you, then be sure to respond. However, I noted that you tend to 180 degree. I'd assume media hype/type, as they have great interest in casting their moments these days.

So, tell me: Any songs you dance to, (bad influence here as I do not at all like your choppy, little tone), or should I avoid the reverberations and most assured' fluctuations you induce on the gravity fields in your vicinity at such actions.

I see you've managed to defeat the word-limiting checks. So, any clue who the mod is/was, as I'm sure they're the ones editing my post.

Pony ass comments are seldom passed, except for the pleasure. Expect no more comments from me. As, I don't even know why the Hell you chose such words. Wait, yes I do...

I personally think that political correctness and affirmative action are perfect examples of stupid ideas that should have been retired five seconds after somebody thought them up. PC, my first victim, is stupid. First off, you can't make everybody happy, and your a fool if you try. Say what you want, write what you want, and show what you want. If some people are offended by it, tough, they don't have to look at it, listen to it, or read it if they don't want to. That's how it should be, but it's not. Affirmative action, my second victim, is the bad idea that just wont go away. Apparently some people are more equal then others, and have special conciderations applied to them in order to help them out. If, in theory, everyone is supposed to be equal in our "enlightened" world, why are such things needed? As far as goverment and law are concerned, everybody should be treated equally, but that's not how it works is it? I find myself wondering what new stupidity we will be forced to swallow in the years to come, because someone feels slighted or offended. These people need to grow up. Life is not always fair; or kind, and all the crying, bleeding hearts in the world will never change that fact.

Good Journey.

Kyle Rajasthan.

I graduated from University of the Pacific in 1991. Never heard of it? Try Google. Sadly for you, unless you are a U.O.P. alumnus, you will be unable to gain any information about me from them. Thankfully, as a private university, they are very protective of the privacy of their graduates and students.

Your admission that you ramble on endlessly because others "annoy" you is interesting. I'm so sorry that we all can't be less irritating for you. After all, that should be our number one concern.

I have absolutely no clue what the rest of your post is trying to say. Some nonsense about media hype/type...completely lost on me. Were you asking if I am employed in the media field? The answer to that question is no, if that was what you were attempting to ask. I tend to "180 degree"? Is that your way of saying I am a hypocrite? If so, I would like you to specifically indicate in what manner. The entire last paragraph made no sense to me at all, (apart from your comment on my choppy little tone ) and as such I can't begin to respond to it. I will however say that you avoiding my "gravity field fluctuations" by staying as far away from me as possible sounds like a wonderful idea.

Peace.

I understand what you mean, but something you have to understand - things change. What you did as a child will not be what the next generation does. To give you an idea, Santa was not always considered such a nice guy - he was downright evil in older traditions. And it was Coca-Cola that gave him a red suit.... I'm just trying to show at least two relatively recent changes that are considered traditions now....

Things will continue to change. It's best to allow it to happen, rather than trying to fight against it - if you try to fight you will just end up an angry old person.

The world is going koo-koo.

LOL! Sacred Chipmunk Song.

You basically said what I was going to say. People so often fret about about how their "traditions" are being changed yet don't seem to realize how recently these traditions came about. One generations traditions change from one to the the next and, inavariably, given a century or so the changes are quite stark. It's the way of things.

people. they can't just make changes that we don't let them make. can't change something that is unchangable. im not talking about halting progress, im talking about there is no way i am living in a starched white society that never offends anybody. and if i have to then i am turning into a miscreant.

I was quite annoyed that there weren't any Nativity Plays allowed at school..as they weren't seen as politically correct... Lost lots of photo opportunities with the kids..There were no Christmas carols sang at home...as they weren't encouraged at schools...we had to resort to CD's or Records...

I couldn't tape any of my children's performances in plays at school ..as that was forbidden... even photos of them on stage was discouraged....

They too are trying to forbid us taking photos or film of our children at the beach or pool... as it is seen to encourage pedophiles ..or shared on the internet by dangerous sorts...

There was even talk against taking photos in public of buildings.... people... just in case of what????

So what can parents do... take photos of their kids illegally via mobile phones????

i don't think dakotabre was scared of change i think he meant the change seems so stupid and unreasonable that they are stupid.
what this political correctness age comes down to is not offend anyone as not to get sued by anyone!

Hmm... and thats where its started, people being afraid of being sued. Damn those lawyers and easily "offended" people (akin to those thieves who hurt themselves while breaking into your house and suing you).

So far we are still able to celebrate and call it what you want. We do have a modest Muslim population here but they join in and celebrate trick-or-treating and buying gifts during "Christmas". (as the Santa thing isn't really "Christian" I guess).
Weird huh?

Well in all honesty, I would still rather live in a society where the trend seems to go towards not offending anyone (even if it is because of frivolous lawsuits) than a place where you are forced to believe or pretend to believe in a certain thing. In some countries, your life is threatened if you do not submit to the local religions or if you 'offend' someone of that belief.

I know it's annoying, but in my opinion, it's hardly worth getting that upset about. Yet.

Hey, what about not derailing the topic?

Great that a minority like yourself can get grants. Some of us have to pay out of pocket or serve in the military to get our education. Glad you could get something for nothing.

If all this PC is because of fears over offending someone then I'm offended that my childhood traditions have disappeared. I now feel that my childhood was a lie.
Now, let's see what all those PC a**holes make of 'that'.

how is this discussion related to either ancient civilizations or alternative history???? care to enlighten me?

Beats me.


I support political incorrectness.

Education is ALWAYS good, even if you got it for nothing.

It is tax money well spent, even if it's financed by other peoples tax money.

It's not wasted money.

It can only enrich & enlighten our society.

And yes, the world is getting mighty anal.

Correct !

I don't think it is "one for the master one for the slave" - it's "one for the master, one for the Dame".

That's what I was bought up singing anyway.

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