We are told in the story of Genesis that God created Man and Man sinned. We are told in various other places of the Bible that God provided Forgiveness for Man.

It is at least implied that before Man there were Angels who followed Lucifer in a rebellion against God. This implication I understand is vehemently disagreed with by many...yet for the sake of the thread, I ask that you consider the premise, for without it the question is moot.

If God has provided a way for Man to be forgiven...in essence, has forgiven Man...one might reason that God would also Forgive Satan and the Angels that followed after him.

Is it possible then that God created Man as a reincarnated fallen angel? No one knows how many angels followed after Lucifer, perhaps billions? Trillions? So...perhaps Man IS the forgiveness for the Fallen Angels...that Man is the Fallen Angel incarnate given a second chance. Thoughts?

Why is this (and other similar threads) in Spirituality vs. Skepticism? Shouldn't it be in the religion section?

Anyway, no. There is no god, there is no satan, there are no angels and the Bible is just crazy superstition at best.

I doubt we are fallen angels reincarnated.



Its not should God forgive us it should be should we forgive God ( if he is real).

I read somewhere that god created angels as perfect beings(maybe it was in the bible) so i don't think that they would be in line for forgiveness unless rebellion is a symptom ot perfection. On that note, we could be the fallen angels as humans in general are far from perfect.

there is nothing in the various literature that suggests man is a reincarnated fallen angel. that is to say i have not yet seen this.. but it has crossed my mind in the past.

all the literature is pretty clear that angels (whatever you want to call them) were made first, man comes after.. all the literature pretty much says the same thing, that there was one particular angel that did not like the new man-thing, and all the trouble stems from that.. (wether one believes such things)

Are there particular Scriptures that are making you consider this?

sometimes i wish i could sit down and have coffee with you and talk about somethings



God did not create angels as perfect beings. Satan was dispelled from heaven for trying to BE perfect. they were created as the servents of God. and without freewill. Not meaning they can't make choices, nust meaning they can't choose whether or not to believe in God....they kinda have to.

Madam I must completely refuse your offer..............I hate coffe If you wish to chat about anything Pm me or open a thread about the subject and I will discuss it with you until you get bored and wish to pummel my head in with a pointy stick.

I would never use a pointy stick....I prefer dull ones more pain for the painfully dull....and i use the term coffee loosely...i just want to pick you brain and put things back out of order.

It was never working right in the first place.



Go ahead and pick all you want.. I don't mind.

Strange as it seems Joc I once had a very vivid dream along those lines and put it aside for good sci-fi material for a future book. In the dream our thoughts and memories had been wiped clean and our complete separation from both God and Satan was in order to see if we would make the same mistakes without their direct influence on our choices.


Wombat: This section is reserved for dialogs of spirituality vs skepticism which includes both sides of issues, if that does not interest you and since you have a very limited view on such, I would suggest you stick with threads pertaining to the sciences and news section. If you feel spirituality is just “crazy superstition at best” then you need not concern yourself with such matters.

Irish-your guy is so cute...hehe




God created man in image of himself. Angels are very distinctly not human looking, matter of fact in almost all instances that someone was approached by an angel the were struck with fear and were immediately told to not flee. I don't think that in a biblical sense it is possible for us to be fallen angels. especially as it specifically says that we are placed above angels

If you wanna believe in Lucifer then fine do so...but are we fallen angles?? NO..i dont think so

While I certainly don't think the billions of humans are reincarnated angels, I suppose a few handful of them could be.

Considering the myriad of beliefs and interpretations it is as likely as anything else I have heard.

No. It just seems strange to me that God created the Angels and some went against Him and they are cast into Hell for eternity. Man...another of God's many creations is given the Sacrifice of Forgiveness by God Himself. Why is this same Forgiveness not offered to the Angels? Perhaps because they could never assume their role in heaven as angels of the Lord....after all there are all the 'other' angels to consider...how would that work? It seems that the entire Creation of Earth has something to do with restoring Heaven to its former glory before Lucifer became Satan. So, the thought occurs that perhaps God created Man in His image....giving him the ability to know Good and Evil...falling from the Voice of the Serpent as he had done previously in the angelic realm. Maybe every fallen angel gets a shot at reversing his first mistake....those that do are given power over the rest of the angels and those that don't...well, they haven't really lost anything have they?

Probably just a silly thought...

I just assumed (incorrectly, apparently?) that this kind of discussion is better suited for the section called "Spirituality, Religion and Beliefs - Friendly discussion on religion and spirituality" than in the section called "Spirituality vs Skepticism - Debate between skeptics and believers".

Hang around, you may yet get to see a good debate between believers and skeptics on this thread!

Of course it is possible whether it is written i the bible or not because as the bible states 'with God all things are possible.'

This one of the most underrated lines in the bible. It basically interprets to me that there are an infinite amount of possibilities out there (which in my view are not merely possibilities but actualities too).

The bible is open to anything because with God all things are possible, including the possibility that god doesnt exist.

If they do not have a choice, which I disagree with, Then Lucifer never went against God's wishes. Unles what lucifer did was God's choice and he was only playing a part. Like jesus and Judas , only playing a part. God knew as did jesus what was to be. but again if there is no freewill for angels then nLucifer being one, did nothing wrong .

Love Omnaka

Irish I really admire your writing skills, the note to wombat is priceless. I wish I had the ability to do that, Always a pleasure

Have you been to the religion forum, I think you will find it is sometimes very far from friendly discussions. I have not been here that long but to be honest the religion forum is much more upbeat and interesting than the skeptics forum. There are plenty of skeptics that live to argue and complain in religion, Maybe your in the wrong section, Always a pleasure

then hell was in gods divine plan all along.. making your god and your satan infact one and the same.. what a revolation!
ever get the feeling your chasing your tail

No I also do not agree w/your statement, Evil works for God, or good , withjout even knowing it, My God Is all Good , And those who are Not all Good are My brothers and sister who are here on Earth , learning the diference between Good and Bad. Cant know one with out the other, For a comparison and experience.
Who you call Satan is not the Father of My spirit.

Do you agree with what you said?

Love Omnaka

but didnt the "father of your spirit" create your satan? and how does evil work for good any more than good works for evil? im finding your statements here extremely confusing.

do i agree with what i said? yes of course i do, i always agree with what i say, otherwise i wouldnt say it.

am i missing something

I understand what you are saying now, , But Father is Pure love, where evil can only take what love has created and make Bad, or more evil. This is not God's Doing, but it is Gods will that we experience it , to Know the Diference.
Lucifer Is not Satan, and Satan is Not God. Every one of us can be a satan untill he makes it back to Love, Father just gave Us a playing field to learn. Yes I understand the chasing the tail. Hard to see The forest through the trees sometimes.

Father is The Father of all Good bad and Ugly, but Father is Pure Love , so Father Is not Evil or Satan, even though He created sons with Freewil who do partake of it, Hoping they see the diferance and make it Back to love , and our home in Heaven, where we get a good rest between lives, But the top realms of Heaven has no Hate wher Father and Mother (God) Reside, They hope all make it back, with love. To answer your Question , Being that all my bros and sister on earth at this time have the ability to be Evil, or satan, Yes Father created Them, but the chioice Is theirs which Way to go.

Now that I have mulled your statement I understand it, and do agree to a point, If I was not Being Good I would feel like I was chasing My tail. You did not miss anything, Good post.

Love Omnaka

but you said lucifer was only playing the roll god gave him, thats not a choice that just part of his plan, the creation of evil.
so its not a matter of him being ever so great to give us the privilege of choice, if evil wasn't there you couldn't choose it, for it wouldn't be there!
according to you of course.

Corect You would still be In heaven Gaining no experience in these Matters. I can't really speak for Lucifer, But I can speak for Adam, and I know Jesus' crucifiction was planned as well as Judas . Judas agreed to the Betrayal before incarnating in his body, Unbeknownst to Him while in his body, unless Jesus , who could hear Father clued him in.

The angels have incarnated in to mortal bodies too, They need To learn Mortal Experience As well.

I am not really sure about , if Lucifer knew what he was getting in to, when he started his revolt, but do know father Had a plan of Forgiveness waiting after he learned Both sides of Life.

He was not allowed Back home untill he got it out of his system.

Same as all of us.

Love Omnaka

but it wouldnt be there to gain experience from? becuase the evil your god created wouldnt exsist

but no your logics completely right! everytime someone kidnaps rapes then steals a baby ill think of god!!!
praise the lord!!! thank u for this experience lord.!!!

no i donotthink tht ushumans are fallen angels ut i do believe that there is a god anhe is real an that lusafer was kick out ofheavenfor trying to be better than god an that is what made him the fallen ngel

A fallen Angel who had pride and was jealous when God created Adam and Eve he was told to bow to them instead he lead them astray so the fall of man

That is their experience, and hopefully, they are in jail repenting and learning the diferance. from experience learned, and hopefully you are learning forgiveness for what the criminal has done,Or had compassion for the Kidnapped, Raped, or stolen baby.
Or you could judge him. But I would hope you do not, or would not do as you said in the last post, but if you do, yes it would be your experience. And your remorse for blaming God for the actions Of freewill.

Yes it is his wish that you get educated, But how you do it is up to you.

Love Omnaka

if there's no god, how do you explain the universe's infinity? can physics explain where the boundaries of space are? im not much of a thinker, but this aspect really keeps me holding on to my belief in a diety, a GOD! unless, science can explain! show me a worm who can understand man, and ill give you man who can understand god.