It's a fact that in a dream, if you look at a text or a clock more than one time in a row, the text or time will change. So, I figured that one could AP, then find a text, even a sentence. Then, you could look at it three times in a row. If it's a dream, the text will change. If it's real, it won't.

P.S - This came from a technique used to obtain lucid dreams. When you do this "reality check" all the time, you will eventually do it in your dreams.

another way is to ask your friend to write down a 4-5 digit number and try to astral project and find out what that number is...

ya but that only works if you astral in "real time" that is you astral between this world and the astral planes. when you astral in real time, everything is like it is now, you can ever listen to ppls convos, but they cant see you, once you go to he astral planes things get a little different, and sometimes, not always, but sometimes the number wont always be in the righ place, or the numbers could be changes a lil bit.

Beware of sentences that begin It's a fact... and then make a categorical assertion that something will happen.

Texts, signs, displays, and so forth may change unrealistically in dreams, or they may not. If they do, then that is a candidate "dream sign," as you say.

UM offers you the opportunity to see first-hand what people's reactions can be to the claim "My soul left my body, and I know that I was not dreaming." Judge for yourself how convincing as "evidence" would be your observation that "I read my cereal box three times, and it said Cocoa Puffs all three times."

Can you control the difference when you astral on the planes versus real time? I'd like to be able to do both at some point.

ohh ya you can chose witch one you wanna do, you can project into real time if you want to, or you can move to the astral planes, its harder to stay in real time for long tho, takes a lot of energy

If all these things aren't the way they are in the real world, how do you know you're not just dreaming?

And just out of curiosity, why is astral projection so popular all of a sudden? A while ago almost all the topics here were about telekinesis (or some other random type of kinesis) and now most topics are suddenly about astral projection......
Just something I noticed

LOL omg i was going to mention that too..I was noticing how much AP stuff is on here now..

i guess people got tired of getting nowhere with telekinesis and are on to the next cool thing! AP is more achievable for me than TK...

I am not an expert on the terminology, or the differences, but it seems to me that Astral travel is totally unverifiable, if it involves travel to other realms /planes which cannot be verified. It actually sounds a lot like controlled lucid dreaming.
Now an OBE or projection of your consciousness out of the body into the real world can also be very much like a controlled lucid dream, and lots of times you will never be sure, or able to verify which it is.

The only time i claim verified obe's is when I can report verified conversations, or actions, or observations in the real world which i experienced while traveling.

A less reliable verification is to note specific details of places/cities you have never seen in real life but only in OBE"s. If you can identify these details through, say, internet research, then it is likely you really travelled there. This is less reliable now, in the days of tv and documentaries, but as a child in the days before those things, i travelled to many places in what i thought were dreams. One example, was flying right through the Victoria falls, to wash off the dust I had accumulated by flying a few feet over the heads of herds of wildebeest and other animals on the african plains. It was only years later that i saw images on tv which confirmed that what i had seen while travellling, was exactly how it was in real life.

A word of caution. You have to be very careful verifying details from people. They do not like the idea of any one hovering over them, listening to their conversations, or reporting details, like what night clothes they were wearing. EVen innocent and casual descriptions of details you should not know can be very hard to explain if the person is not a believer in OBE'S
My classic example of that was trying to explain to a Canadian exchange student how i knew that under a tarpaulin in an old barn out side her house was a classic American cadillac from the 50's or 60's (Not being an expert on cars, even though I had seen it, I did not know what year model it was.)

Given that I was her teacher in Australia, and she had not told anyone here about the car (which was a graduation present from her father, being kept under cover until she returned to CAnada the next year) I had a lot of trouble explaining that one away. She was actually more worried that I had extracted the information from her mind ( I had some reputation with the kids for parlour games with ESP), and so was quite relieved when I told her that I had travelled to her home in a dream. (I went on to describe her quite distinctive home, its surrounding lot, and location. A bit like google earth, but a couple of decades before that was invented) Thus i am almost positive that this was a genuine OBE experience.

well there are a few ways to tell the difference one is, get a friend to astral project so you can meet each other in the astral and talk, then discuass it the next day and both of you will remember what was said.
another way is as said above get a friend to write down a number on a piece of paper, then tell them the number the next day.

astral projection seems to be on a lot of peoples minds at the moment so naturally your going to get a lot of people reading about it, and discassing it.

how about just having a friend put something behind a locked door, astro project to see it.

How anout I write a 5 digit alfnumeric down beside my bed tonight. I'll give you $100,000,000 if any of you can find out what it is.

That goes for you physics as well.

do you have a million dollars? ...i dunno why that's the first question that comes to mind, but either way that would be a very interesting challenge (not for me) but for some more experienced...maybe a board activity to practice with real-time projection and connecting in order to get to the right location...nbut I'd say preferably with people who believe or have experienced this phenomena.

if I could successfuly self-induce projection I'd see who was up for this! sounds fun..& like good practice..

but i dont no you, where you live, and even if i did no where you live, like what city, i wouldnt no witch house is yours.......

actually you should be able to get to someone's place of residence without actually knowing them or where they live, but just by knowing of them and thinking about that.

but what about practicing like that...I guess you would also have to be into telepathis connections...not necessarily talking to the person, but connecting to them to arrive at the right location and so on in the astra form in real time......i think it'd be a fun exercise.

last night I got the closest to a self-induced projection than I think ever.......but then the alarm went off that I had set to go off at ten minute intervals....I didn't realise how long I had been in the 'mind awake/body asleep' state until that went off and it was actually a really scary sound b/c I just used one continuous note......when it went off my mate and I couldn't figure out what the hell it was coming from..haha

anyways...

It's because PK's been disproven over and over again, and now people are moving to something less...beat-down.

Is there anyone on this forum that thinks the idea of all this is absurdly funny?

People are on here saying they close their eyes, get relaxed, see some colors and try to clear their mind of thoughts. That this is somehow getting closer to AP? That happens to anyone, and there's a reason you can't AP after all of that, it just doesn't happen. The idea of clearing your thoughts, relaxing and forgetting your muscles, it's borderline meditation and anyone can do it.

If anything, people speaking of actual AP experiences simply have had a lucid dream. Almost everyone has had one at one time or another. It's just the idea of knowing you're dreaming and being able to control your dream. They tend to be extremely realistic.

These people talking about writing numbers down and APing to the sheet of paper is such rubbish. As one other person said, I would give all of my money to someone who could AP and discover what I have just written down on a piece of note paper. And what is this about 'real-time' AP and 'astral planes' AP? I almost spit my coffee out after reading that.

You guys think you can honestly guess a 10 digit number on some piece of paper? Why not win $1,000,000 from the Randi challenge then?

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

I won't hold my breathe.

And seriously, there has to be people on this forum that agree with me.

first of all, randi is a fraud, he won't give nobody a $1,000,000, i know people who have tried to contact him, but he never replies, and astral projections have been put trough scientific testing, along with pk, if you want more info, pm ziggy stardust, he knows about astral projection lot more than i do.

Yes. No one ever wants to prove anything.

I don't believe in astral projection, but I don't trust Randi any more than I trust the people claiming that they AP.

you dont believe ap, simply becasue you cant do it.

Ivan, if you haven't already, go back and read my previous post (#9). You will see that I make a similar point, but go on to say that on occasions OBE's can be verified by independent means/sources. I must admit that I don't usually seek verification much any more, through talking to people I have observed, unless it is critically important.

Since my childhood (when the police almost became involved through what I related); to recent years, where a female colleague became convinced I had the ability (but luckilly not the inclination) to observe her while she was sleeping, I have found it ill advised to say too much to people about what you observe while travelling.

None the less, at times you can verify quite precise observations and conversations using this method, which could not possibly be known in any other way.

No. Because there is no proof of it other then claims.

well how do you know


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