OK this is for you guys JustNormal & Techman33 and others, I'm going to try to explain this one more time! This is about the credibility of the paranormal research field. Shows that portray the “every thing is haunted attitude” slowly erode the credibility of the field by adding fuel to the fire of the skeptics. By this I mean NOT providing any really evidence and not even trying to find a real reason for the phenomena that is happening (debunking).

It is killing the field! KILLING.... the.... field! get it? We the people in the paranormal research field are trying to convince the nonbeliever by providing proof! We are not trying you convince you (the super believer) who believes any stupid thing someone tells you!

I try to think about it like this -- one day I would love for someone to find irrefutable proof of life after death. And with that proof given to the science community launch a huge endeavor to build some kind of machine allowing us, “the living”, to really communicate with the dead. That would be the best thing for humanity. We could find out all kinds of stuff, recover humanity's lost knowledge, solve murders by asking the victims, fixing disputes over money in wills of our deceased loved ones, etc... and on and on and on.

If you can't understand this then you really need to stop watching all paranormal shows and stick with shows like Ghost Whisperer and Medium... I watch paranormal shows for the same reason that I watch Discovery Channel and documentaries -- for education, not for entertainment (although it is entertaining). If you are looking for a show with people who really care about the paranormal you should watch GH despite YOUR disbelief because the oo, dare I say it, DEBUNKING!!!! If you want a show that only cares about ratings then Paranormal State is for you.... and your opinion is now VOID!!!

In my opinion you don't care about the paranormal. You only care about cheap thrills! If that is the case, please try roller coasters... You won't destroy the credibility of a field of research on a roller coaster. Have a nice day....

No we dont . but there are ways and means *wink wink*



...............sorry but it just made me giggle a little

haha versi....MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY

Dude... It's obvious the old woman was getting old and depressed and has been looking for attention. The voices in the EVPs were clearly her own voices. Even Ryan asked her at one point in the show if it was her own voice. (Don't be gullible) In the first show, the noises in the woods were clearly fabricated for the show, and not what the people really heard. If they were to play the actual noises they heard, I am sure someone would've pointed out what animals really made those noises. In my hometown, we had a similar incident where people were hearing creepy screams coming from the woods. It sounded like women being murdered. Well, a few weeks later the police went into the woods and shot three Fischer cats. You see, some animals can make spooky / demonic noises. If you watch that show again, you'll notice the sound does not sink up properly. Please, please, please quit being so foolish.

This link, (Who's John? btw) is exactly how I feel about the show.
I watched it tonight and was amazed when the EVP expert (Dr Ron?)said that the voices of "Mary" on the evp's were typical of a demonic haunting. What? Mary commited suicide, she was human, humans are not demons, even I know that.
The evp expert also said that the brother-in-laws experience of feeling something move his matress while he was sleeping was classic demonic haunting evidence. What? Was he an evp expert or a matress expert? I've had a couch come across the room at me and it wasn't demonic, so this man feeling the bed move a little, was classic demonic? OH!! Please!!!
I think Paranormal State could use some better informed experts IMO!
The woman Carol Ann (the name just tickled me for some reason ) was addicted to finding evp's. (hey, everybody has a vice) Funny that all the ones she found 1)sounded like her 2) she could get them at any time and yet the PS team didn't pick up any.
I did like Lorraine's suggestion that she stop taping for evp's. Well, duh!!! (the duh is for Carol Ann, not Lorraine)

The first story was interesting.
The daughter described classic sleep paralysis, which anyone can have btw, if they take 2 Tylenol PM's before going to bed.
Surely Ryan's team has heard of SP, all of us have, and we know what it is, but these supposed experts have no idea what she's describing . Then the friend gets on and says he's seen something and goes on to describe the classic devil image. (Gotta get his 15 minutes of fame. "Gonna be on TV mama!")
Then the sitting in the woods happens, some coyotes howl (That was kinda spooky for a minute) and suddenly it's a haunting.
The Native American guy (sorry forgot his name) and the little psychic guy (know his name, just don't wanna say it) says it has something to do with the land and Native Americans and whatever you do, don't move the rocks. So Ryan moves the rocks and finds a little hole. (Who would've imagined that there would be a hole under some rocks? ) anyway supposedly that opens a portal or vortex or whatever they are calling it these days. So the NA man performs a smudging, now the NA man says it's a Native American problem and the little psychic guy says it's a Native American problem, so the smudging should have worked right?(If these are Native American spirits they would respond to a Native American solution right?
But NO! The lady and her daughter and Ryan and his team run around inside the house saying "I can feel it. It went this way. It's still here, outside the green bedroom yada yada yada.." (By this time, I'm laughing ) And only when they speak some latin and some Jesus speak, then suddenly it is declared gone.
There was never anything there!!! Not one single shred of evidence that there was anything there in the first place!!!
No video, no audio, not even a picture.
The people who post orb pics here (no offense to them) have more evidence of the paranormal then these losers!!!!!and they have a TV show!!!!
That is my rant on Paranormal State.
I'm done, won't watch it again.

So 419, who is John?

First of all Dear I am not a dude, all female here LOL..This group does not claim to be ghost hunters, they simply help people who believe they have paranormal activity in their home. They also admit they dont go over evidence time and time again, due to the limit of time they are on. That woman (old as you call her) was obsessed and did have some cool EVP's but she was advised what to do, for her sake. Thats the difference with this show, they listen and help, they dont go in looking for ghosts, but they spend days at a location, not 4 hours or so. I happen to enjoy all ghost shows including SP..PLEASE dont call me foolish because I happen to like a show you dont. I watch Most Haunted too and everyone hates that, but its different. I also watch TAPS and A Haunting. I am not a follower and because of that I am not going to not watch a show cause some people on a web site think its fake, or whatever, its MY choice plain and simple. If it does get canceled so be it. Lastly I am not stranger to the paranormal so you dont have to lecture me on what to look at or listen to, that is a total insult..JN

John is a wise man. I don't see why ppl are still clinging onto Paranormal State like they are worth the air time. We had an interview with the local news the other night and pbs was there as well and paranormal state was brought up. Suprisenly 13 ppl that were present all said the same thing about the show, its for ratings. This is coming from directors, producers, reporters from both pbs and the local news. PBS asked if I was offered to have a TV show would I do it. I said hell yes. PRS has ruined the field for every paranormal investigative team out there.

Orbs and Demons sum up your knowledge which in its own right is still questionable. If you take an opinion as an insult you definately should lay off a highly debated not proven discussion board.

LOL jennie that should have come with a spoiler warning

Nah just kidding. I probably wouldn't have watched it anyways . thanks for the heads up I'll find something more interesting to waste my time with sounds like the same as every other week . i was hoping that maybe there would be an improvement . but sounds like its getting worst .

And wow can you tell me more about the settee. my curiosity is peaked . have you wrote on here about that ? If so can you link me, and if not its okay if you dont wish to elaborate i ill understand that too

This comes from a guy who used to be a PI as a hobby, which is questionable as well. You have no idea Noah of my experience, nor have I even attempted to disclose it, but some here do. BTW I am a grown up and I can tell someone I choose not to be insulted, its my right. JN

I'm sorry, you're right, you are entitled to your opinion and i shouldn't be telling you what is good and bad.
it just seem most people are asking why we hate this show so much and i thought i would explain our point of view. i believe it to be important.

LOL, first of all, who has it as a job? I mean who out here gets paid to investigate...please tell me because I MUST be doing something wrong. Same with thousands upon thousands of other investigators out there. How is this questionable btw? Please enlighten me to where anything I am is questionable? EXACTLY, I am what I am and I do what I do. I have 15 members and growing who knows exactly what we are doing. Questionable, lol. Don't get it all twisted, I am not the one who exaggerates or tells lies now am I . Research is key, and so is contacts, a contact which we both share. However, I wish not to exploit facts, but know they are there.

Yes you are grown, but your (((( ))))'s and meaningless chitter chatter suggests otherwise. Btw, this is all my opinion

BTW not used to be, STILL AM a PI

Ooops Sorry I was ranting and forgot. There is one improvement, nobody mentioned Belial. Ooops that's another spoiler isn't it?
You could watch it for the comedy factor if nothing else.

Settee is such a lovely word, I don't get to read it often.
Yes, I did tell some of that experience here on this thread. I'll PM you the rest, if you want it.
http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...showtopic=96436
I can't remember what page it's on, (better pull out the tea) but I think you will find this thread very interesting nonetheless.
Try to remember that there were several threads going on at the same time, with one members experiences. That sort of explains the animosity of members who were tired of being attacked for asking questions.
I'm still wondering whatever happened to the claim that MasterPo was going to investigate that particular members home.

LOL

Thanks jennie . going to read now. much appreciated . and sure pm me the rest, but only when you have some free time there is no rush

Yeah couch isnt a word i use much . showing me englishness there LOL
SS79 x

Leave it to Jennie and spoiling things

Aahhh contacts!!! Isn't the internet marvelous 419!!! You can talk to anybody. Even famous demonologists!!!
It is truly amazing the information you can get from contacts!

As I have said, contacts are essential for basically anything in this field. Lawyers, Doctors, My Psychology and Philosophy Professors, the clergy, the county sheriff, the city police department for archives and accident reports, historians, even some ppl at the local news station and the PBS station. Some I rarely even use, some I dont need to. It's quite easy to get contacts in various fields, simply email, call, or walk in and ask them if they are willing to help in future events with what you are trying to do. Doctors are the harder ones based on the fact any question you ask them is based on observational means which can be flawed. My Psychology professor even asked about joining the team however he has to wait till after the semester based on being my teacher. Would be nice to have a Psychology Professor on my team.

the worst show. thats just what it is a show. no investigation. they don't let you listen to evp like on ghost hunters.
they dont want you hearing them yelling don't get me demon.

aahaahahhahaahaha!

OK thank you perryswife for quoting my hole rant and reminding me i really need to use a spell check...lol so here you go all fixed!
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Holy crap dude, make my eyes bleed!

lol sorry wont do that again..

Try this site.
http://www.strangehappenings.org/
they love him there ...NOT!!!!
seems this joker is the laughing stock of the paranormal world.

As far as I know there is no moral code of ethic for PI's, which in my opinion would make no one right and no one wrong... Each have their own methods. I would assume that if some one is having paranormal experiences they would want it dealt with ASAP. Alls GH do is to try and disprove/prove a haunting, PS bypass the crap and deal with the issues.

Um, yeah.....everything the OP said! DITTO!

And if they cant find any crap..... they make it up lol

Besides the fact that my team has investigated Katie's for about 2 years and debunked the wine glass theory with logical reasons, A & E, the owner & PRS all acted as if he called upon them to investigate. He also acted as if nobody investigated there before they came along. Besides LIGHT investigating it a bunch of times within two years, other groups have also investigated it. In the beginning of the episode w/Katie's it was like as if Katie's didn't give any credit to those who did. I could go on with my rant, but I am trying to remain professional, and scientific. If you really want my personal opinion about PRS and Katie's, you can PM me. LOL...

Yes but MEN love to look at her! I am jealous! That is why I hate that show! LOL...sorry I am in a good mood right now.

No no silly, everything PS Finds is TRUE!!!!

lol whatever

Little do you know, little do you know. As far as "all gh do is try to disprove/prove a haunting". What do you think GHOST HUNTERS IS. Are they head doctors? Are they shrinks? Are they Dr. Jason Hawes, Dr. Grant Wilson? NO. They have been doing this since 1991, LONG BEFORE GH was even a glimmer in some producers eye. Ghost Hunters main goal regardless of who that ghost hunter is is to find evidence of paranormal claims. This is done by disproving whatever can be duplicated no matter how close in similarity.

If a client wants help why call ghost hunters? What can a ghost hunter do? Can they shake their asses and blow a fart in the wind and make a spirit disappear? No, they are there to document and research like I said. They are called in to either confirm or disprove claims of paranormal activity, not banish whatever is there. If the client wants help afterwards, the team can forward them information to someone who can. I dont know many teams that are capable of banishing demons and sending spirits to the other side. NOT OUR JOB.

Why can people not see this? Bypass the crap and deal with the issues? What issues? That Ryan has a demon following him and they chase spirits "oh they moved over here, I can feel it" type crap?

To me it seems as if these ppl aren't paranormal investigators, but bounty hunters for the after-life.

see now you got me thinking we should do a spin off show where we are like a cross between dog the bounty hunter and Paranormal State and we all dress up like Boba Fett. we can freeze ghost's in carbonite or just give the a lecture on life as we haul them down to the station. now i would watch that!

Thats a bad ghost, "cartman voice" "You're going to jail"

LMAO!!! Hell Yeah! Now THAT is a show!

Well said V! This has to be one of the most asinine shows dealing with the paranormal I have ever seen--knocking off Most Haunted! These morons are just that--morons! All this demon BS etc. is so ridiculous it hurts! Talk about a group that needs to step out of the Middle Ages and into the 21st century! Demons?! They need to take a class on the origins and evolution of Satan, demons etc. Penn State has one of the best religious curriculums in academia--one they should quickly enroll in! They would quickly discover the figure of "Satan" found in the Tanakh is one--if not the--most misunderstood characters. Evangelicals regard him as an evil fallen angel (completely misidentified with "Lucifer") in spiritual combat with Yahweh--which is far from the truth. His role in the Tanakh is an agent/obstacle/adversary who answers to Yahweh when He [God] wishes to do evil. And, yes, it is God who does evil--admittedly so: Isaiah 45:7 (King James Version) 7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Satan is something completely different then what later Christianity made him out to be. Historically, the evolution of Satan is easily charted--having his birth in Persian dualism (Zoroastrianism et al) in and around the 10-11th century BCE. To make a long story short, it wasn't until the the Middle Ages--in 563 CE and the Council of Braga (there were several councils), the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) et al--that this figure was clearly defined by Christianity. Dante aided in the definition of Satan, demons and hell as well. His influence was quite profound. Sadly, these knuckle-heads do a tremendous disservice to a field that deserves serious scientific investigation by perpetuating mythological nonsense and blatant ignorance!

CANCEL THIS MYOPIC-MINDED RUBBISH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here is where you can contact these yahoo's:

PRS
http://www.pennstateprs.com/contact.php

I just let them have it. I urge those who feel the same to contact them.

Sean

Why are you taking this so seriously its just my opinion. Please don't get so offensive. Not everyone is going to like paranormal state and not everyone is going to like Ghost Hunters. You and 419 take this way to seriously.

Don't make assements about people you don't know. You take this way too seriously dude. When I said I didn't like Ghost Hunters on another thread that was just my opinion; don't dislike me for it. There is already too much hate and dislike in this world. I think again your taking this thread way too seriously.

Thank you for that respectful reply. I dont care if the whole Country hates the show, doesnt mean I have to LOL..To each their own, right? JN

Well put JustNormal. I wish more people could express their opinion like you and not get so defensive.

And another thing, If I'm a troll then you must be one too. It takes one to one from what I understand. I leave it at that.

No dude, we dont, dude. These shows give off misconceptions about paranormal research so we have every right to take this seriously, dude. When people see what they see on television they base their assumptions on the likes of the field to that shown. Simple Psychology. Whether people like to admit it or not, stereotyping happens all the time.

You see one group do something you dislike, you assume whether subconsciously or not that a lot of the groups are the same way.

A lot of clients expect a team to show up with thermal imaging, dvr systems, wireless audio and the likes because that is what they see on TV. I have a lot of equipment but a lot of clients are like, Is that all?

PPL on here do need to get off of their asses and I can say what I so choose. They believe every little thing they see, read, etc.

So dude, don't be so quick to judge....dude.

LOL, do research..defensive is her middle name.

i like your thinking! i think stereotyping is a very good point!

Well 419 is an investigator himself....I dont know about Versidus, I don't think that he gives a crap about the media making a full outta themselves. He just likes to state his opinion about it, being just that. I load of rubbish. Nothing wrong with stating an opinion, even a serious one at that.

i have worked with a few paranormal groups,and stuff on my own (by my self). the groups will remain nameless, i think i am starting my own paranormal research group wile work with other groups. as of right now I'm trying to get the ok for my new groups first investigation. on a historical site that has never been investigated before! and I'm still building the group as well, as for right this moment we have four members. for some it will be there first time out in the field but they are well verse in the paranormal.

I agree Angel, each show is different, and I dont understand the allegiance to GH, its not like any of these posters are related, nor does it affect their investigations in any way. Beats me! JN

Thanks Tech, this is a site for opinions, but there are a few that are lovers of GH, and my point is, who cares? They are TV shows, nothing more nothing less. I like them all, but you are correct they take it personally and even tho a few ghost hunt, PS has nothing to do with them, nor does GH..Go figure! LOL...

Can we avoid the personal digs being thrown back and forth here, if anyone has an issue with another member please take it to private messages or contact a moderator.

Let's stick to the topic being discussed please.

Thank you.

Yea I don't understand it either. They must have anger issues or something. I say we leave it at that.