Hello All!
Versidus, good thread. I agree with you on so many points. This show, the team or their methods isn't helping paranormal research appear credible. Perhaps a part of it is the name of the investigation team Paranormal Research Society. With research in the name implies:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/research
So far they haven't stayed true to their name.

I haven't watched the show since it premiered because I didn't care for their methods or their findings, nor did I feel that they would change their tactics and reading the replies from others it seems that they haven't.

Personally I don't have a problem with the use of mediums or spiritual persons on an investigation but when there is no evidence to support the 'feelings/impressions' of the medium then why bother it's hearsay and not strong enough to build a case around. Photographs, EVPs measurable results are still highly suspect , think of the best good/clear photos taken of a supposed ghost, UFO, cryptid whatever and even then the controversy surrounding the evidence is huge. People will shout fake! and unless the team or person's credibility is without reproach the evidence will never be taken seriously. Stories without evidence is just a story. That's the way that it is. I didn't make the rules of science but if I did I would want evidence to back up someones (don't care whose) word for it.

If someone is going to enjoy this show I hope they enjoy it as an unscripted television program, like pro-wrestling, for entertainment. I think what has so many people upset is the show was/is not promoted as such... well then neither is pro-wrestling and some people out there think the fights are real and not staged. I dislike that PRS plays to peoples fear/s of the unknown instead of helping them, or understand it with evidence.

Belief is a thing that I make no value judgment on if it's kept personal and not used as evidence. When someone uses their private belief/s (what ever that/they may be) as truth, not just for them but for everyone else..... well... that is problematic on so many levels. Evidence supports itself.

419 good find of the blog! Hmmm it sounds familiar, but a more expanded version of what many of us have been saying all along.
Good posts by Jennie and SS too!

I made a poll so as to not confuse/clutter this thread about Paranormal State Style investigations. Please check it out and vote people! LOL! http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/forum...p;#entry2111645

Regards,
Mabon.

good points and good poll i voted yes to all three!

Wow that sounds great! Good luck Versidus, it sounds like it would be very intersesting.

What is so hard to understand what we have been trying to say for the last month or so. It's not the show per se, its how ppl perceive the show that reflects on the investigators as a whole. PS gives investigators a bad name, plain and simple. Yes it is a show, but ever hear of sterotyping? It isn't what you see is what you get. Teams are different but some clients do not realize this. I don't expect you to understand, nor do I ever think you will.

I have an idea Noah, its a rather new concept. If you feel I dont understand then stop replying to me, its as simple as that. JN

Maybe if there wasn't a reason to, I'm simply stating my opinions based on your posts, a site of opinions right?

And plz refrain from mentioning my name thanks.

My team has investigated Katie's for two years! NOT ONCE HAVE WINE GLASSES EVER MOVED OR SHATTERED ON THEIR OWN! You'd think if that was the claim of the client, PRS would of placed video cameras in front of the glasses??? Why didn't they place video cameras in front of them? Explain that to me? Yeah they showed them using powder and placing them on a WOBBLY table? They also camped out over night with sleeping bags!? What kind of investigating is that? ANY GOOD INVESTIGATOR WOULD OF PLACED A VIDEO CAMERA IN FRONT OF WINE GLASSES THAT SUPPOSEDLY MOVE ON THEIR OWN! Since they didn't, to me that shows their inexperience as investigators. A hand print on a wall is not conclusive enough evidence to proclaim it as paranormal!? Anyone could of left a damn hand print! The camera crew could of accidentally done that. If they have a DVR system and cameras placed in different locations, why didn't any of them catch those wine glasses moving or breaking? Katie's is small enough to catch the whole basement with one camera.

I'm not bashing them or saying they are faking things, I'm just pointing out scientific and logical reasoning that they neglect to practice. Katie's is not as haunted as PRS made it out to be. I have two years of investigating experience just inside Katie's alone and nobody knows Katie's better than my team. We've spent countless days and nights working there. That's my rant about PRS. That they proclaim a place to be haunted with the littlest of evidence that can be easily debunked with scientific reasoning and logical explanation.

If that's not enough proof that they are inexperienced, I don't know what is!?

if you ask me i think the a cameraman bumped the table!

You guys take TV too seriously... As for stereo typing, give people the benefit of the doubt, I am sure we can all use our own intelligence and decide what we want to believe. It's just a TV show like GH, MH and the like!!!

I agree Angel, some seem to take it personally and feel it will give all PI teams a bad rap, but people make their own decision in which group they want, and I really dont think any tv show will change that. Most cities and states have more than one PI Teams, and obviously being adults, they have the right to pick the one that suits them the best..If I knew someone in my area having a problem and not Demonic I would choose MasterPo. They are professional, respectful and really never stoop to low levels on here, and from reading their web site, they have done some fantastic work JMO..JN

First, when PRS went to Katies they were there for 3 days. What you saw was a very broad brush of those 3 days. The show is only 20 minutes (10 minutes of commericals). Not everything is show. Same for Ghost Hunters. The first time TAPS went to Waverly they were there for 9 days and all that was shown was a brief shadowy/bat-like image on the DVR and the imfamous thermal image in the hallway. I presume the PRS production company works similarly to the GH company in that much is filmed and the final bits shown on TV are highly edited from the original. For example, Grant recently told me that when TAPS went to the Stanley the first time they got a good image on the thermal and chased it down two hallways. But that part never made it to TV for some reason known only to the production company.

Second, the reality of paranormal investigation is that the vast majority of the time nothing happens when you're on site investigating. It's rare to actually see or experience something tangable. The majority of time any evidence collected is found days or weeks later as you're reviewing hours and hours of audio, video, pictures etc. And even then much of the time nothing is found on evidence review either. So in terms of TV, let's be realistic. People aren't going to tune in every week to see week after week of people just sitting around in a dark location and get nothing.

Third, the "everything is haunted" attitude as you put it isn't at all confined to shows. I've personally wittnessed people who will argue to their last breath that it isn't dust they are seeing but ghost after ghost after ghost. And look at all the investigator/groups sights with pictures of orbs and orbs and more orbs all declaring them to be paranormal. I'm not speaking of PRS, GH or any other show - merely that some people are very eager to have the paranormal occur and see paranormal activity in everything because they so much want to.

I agree whole heartedly with that note. I believe what Master Po is referring to is something similar to what has been posted on this site on plenty of threads that is called Laws of Attraction.

Great post MP, you make a lot of sense, and never insult those who disagree. YOU ROCK

wow... OK... like i said before I'm not going over it again... so.... your just going to have to go back and read what i have wrote. justnormal asked why i dislike this show and i answered if you don't like it. sorry.... you're here *holds hand flat up to chest. and the concept is here *holds hand high above head.
your just not picking up what I'm putting down.
and MasterPo if PRS has collected all this crazy evidence they used to declare a place like Katies haunted..... where is it?
and why when other paranormal groups like Pluto-x's group douse an on going investigation FOR OVER TWO YEARS they come up with nothing??? are they cover something up??? hhhmmm... lets ask him.... well Pluto-x are you covering up something or maybe just maybe the PRS team is full of sh** and will do any thing for ratings?!?
i don't care how long a group in on a investigation if you have evidence you show it, or shut up
and believe you me, the group's have a say in the editing/production of a show. if some thing douse not make it in to the show and they don't know about it then they're not paying to the attention to the production half of there show, and that is no body's fault but there own.
and a guy like Ryan I'm pretty shore in very involved in the production of his show.
I'm not trying to fight with you, I'm just saying if you cant get why this show is bad then i don't know what to tell you man, lol i just don't know,
i think me and 419 and others on this forum and other forums have made more then enough indisputable points, that i just think any one who even attempts to argue them is just being silly. sorry..

I have read every single post regarding PS, and as I said before I enjoy watching the show. They DO spend days at a location, and do whats best for the client. End of story. Why are you trying to change my mind? MasterPo is my favorite PI on here and always has been. I am not interested in the other two you mentioned, I have seen no evidence, and I have yet to see them give people on here advice, but MasterPo does even if its not what someone wants to hear. I dont know you, but I do know you dont live far from me, but regardless MP is one group I highly respect, and I respect their posts because they/he is not narrow minded or biased, they take care of their clients and I am sure they dont give one thought or concern to PS or MH. In any case, I would be more than happy to refer my friends to MP..Sorry Dear, you cant change my mind, because I am an adult and choose what I watch on television, and what I believe in. JN

I'm not trying to change your mind. why would i want to. you asked me why i don't like the show and i told you like three times. then all I'm reading is "why is he taking it so personally" crap and yes all the personally crap is making me mad! justnormal for the last time i really don't care what you watch on TV...

Read my prior post. Not everything that gets filmed makes it to the tube. And since the film is property of the production company (I presume) they can't just show it themselves.

BTW, have you ever met the people from PRS, GH etc. and really spoken to them? I doubt it.



I'm not referring to any specific person or group - the fact is that paranormal activity doesn't happen on command. Sometimes it happens based on cycles or circumstances that aren't obvious and you just have to be at the right place at the right time. For example, there's a local location we've investigated for years and got nothing for it, then last year we got several really good EVPs and saw shadows.

And it's a persoanl observation that some people are just "better" at getting activity than others. I can't explain it logically or scientifically but I've seen it happen too often to deny. Perhaps entities are more attracted to some people than others? Or perhaps there's something, perhaps very subtle, about one person's approach over someone else's that makes them more effective? I don't know but I've seen it happen many times.

Im sorry, I was replying to MasterPo on that last post, not you. Sorry you took it that way..JN

Exactly, its all about the approach and listening to the clients, and performing an investigation and resolving the problem if there is one, with the right experts. Seems pretty basic to me..JN

i like your web site dude. it looks like a good group you got there.
don't you think if that got at lest one thing they would of put it on TV just one thing? and no i never met the guys from PRS but i would love to speak with them! believe me...
*cough name drop cough* what?

masterpo i have one question for you after you answer ill tell you my answer. why do you do it-- why did you put together a paranormal research group-- why are you interested in the Paranormal? thats really just one question.

its nice to see that people dislike the show as much as I do and I would post more but I think that everything has been said. oh ya and I just watched TALES FROM THE CRAPPER the other day. Go Troma!!!!!

I agree with MP... it does happen on cycles and I think spirits possibly choose who to appear for. I think its about approach, and your attitude. It definitely does not happen on demand. However, nobody has really answered my question. Or avoided to respond to the fact that why didn't PRS have a camera in front of the wine glasses that supposedly moved or shattered on their own? If they are such a respectable or credible research group, wouldn't it be obvious to have placed a camera to record or study the clients claim about the wine glasses moving and shattering? It was not caught on video! So basically the audience has to trust their judgment since we did not see it with our own eyes.

I think what it boils down to is nobody wants to respond because of the backlash and the show has gone to crap. Their argument will be its for entertainment or its a show and we will endlessly make a complete cycle back to where we are right now. This group can not be taken seriously. As far as trusting their judgement, that will never happen.

Why they didn't place cameras in the needed spots is beyond me which speaks on behalf of their skills alone.

you know something Pluto-x i have no idea, apparently they had enough since to put powder under the glass but not put a camera in front of it...

I'm not trying to push my show but last weekend we just spoke with Peter Dendle, an English Professor at Penn St. and I asked him about Paranormal State and he was quite critical of it, just as we have been in the past episodes. You can listen here if you want.

On a related note, I tried to get the Director Ryan as a guest on EERIE Radio. Before the show aired they were talking to me, and we were even trying to work out a schedule. Once the show aired they ceased all communication with me.

That wasn't very nice of them!

cool wed site i subscribed to it. but i cant get the link you posted to work? but i did get it work on your wab site..
and i must say i like your show dude. and i love how the Peter has not heard any thing good about this show lol! and he's going to write a letter!

I think it is hilarious when the creepy music comes on and they are all like....*did ya hear that?* Hell no! All I hear is creepy music!

i enjoy watching the show...my husband, me and two of our friends sit on the sofa with popcorn every monday night...but only because it gets us on the
topic of the supernatural...and we love to talk about how our college is haunted...but i do have to disagree with the if you had a demon following you, you wouldn't be able to get out of bed statement, my sister has had issues with a demon for about 10 years... i dont even know the number of things that happen with her... but her experiences are alot diffrent that why ryan tries to talk about...

I'm not trying to be a jerk, i would like to know what happen to your sister and what led her to believe it was a demon?

i didnt think you were being a jerk, i was just disagreeing... i have a topic posted called my haunted sister, i plan to add more to it when i get more details out of her, she doesnt like to talk about it too much...

Are you referring to the Katie's episode or the series in general?

In either case, don't take it personally. And don't read too much into it. They might very well be under some kind of very restrictive contractual agreement that limits interviews and appearances.

I'll answer it in two parts:

1) I didn't form the group. I joined into an already existing group.

2) General interest and curiosity about the subject.

the first statement is from a post you left on my thread, the secant is from your thread on My Haunted Sister?????? WTF!!! creepy story by the way... I'm with TRPS-TECH1 "BAD IDEA on the ouija board thing" i stay as far away from them as i can!

I watched GH then TAPS tonight. I was shocked they allowed Heather to use dowsing rods OMG..Those are part of the occult ugh. The show was good, and all they got were EVP's. I find it annoying that Brian always says on nearly every show "Dude I just saw a shadow over there." But he doesnt take pics or follow its path. The last one I saw was a re-run I guess cause I never watched it till the past few months. As Steve and Brian were going over the evidence, Brian said he was going to fast forward, which caused him to miss two EVP's..So, no one is perfect..JN

i respect that...
i started doing this to prove that there is life after death,

Actually, no. They aren't occult. Occult would be oujia board, seances, spells, symbols, etc.

Dowsing rods are in the catagory of "divination" which uses, amoung other things, natural objects to channel energy. Rods are one thing. So are crystals.

Personally, I didn't believe in dowsing rods until I tried a pair outside a friends house. Just walking along the sidewalk every time I came to a specific spot the rods crossed. No matter how hard I tried to hold them they always turned. I was a gast! It was probably reacting to a burried power line or water pipe. But still....

i never said TAPS is perfect as a matter of fact i don't agree with a few thing on the show. but every group douse things differently, and they do keep it scientific all most all of the time, i have seen the episode you are talking about and i didn't think it was scientific of them to use dowsing rods, but hey what are you going to do, one time out of hundreds is not to bad.
at lest TAPS is not a complete abomination to the paranormal research field, like a little show we know JustNormal wink wink

hey are you trying to bate me???? noddy noddy lol

oh and don't you ever go to bed? sheesh!

I'm shore that they do work, but i wouldn't use them out in the field

I read and heard they were in the same category as Ouija Boards, because of the
Ideomotor effect. But thats just my own opinion. If you ever watched A Haunting, its a story of I think her name is Stacy Jones, police officer/medium turned investigator. She had gone to a local cemetery due to reports of shadows and screams etc. She brought her son which she never did, as opposed to leaving him alone, he was 15. He used dowsing rods to mess around the cemetery, and ended up oppressed and then possessed. Actually it was John Zaffis who claimed he was and attended the Exorcism in CT..He told her that dowsing rods were used by many "witches" and others to locate Demons, and it worked. But anyway, thats my take on this lol..JN

i have seen that episode of A Haunting and i don't think it was the cemetery or dowsing rods, think about it, first a cemetery is sacred ground blessed my many religion's, there should be no spirits or demons on it. cemetery's that are haunted are rear at best. i can only think of one and it was because it was recklessly moved to build a over pass in taxes and the graves were just dumped in the woods near by.
but if you take a good look at the real kid from that story i think it is plane to see this kid has played with satanism or witch craft that most likely caused the demon attacks.

Agreed.
I didn't believe in them either, until my 92 year old grandfather showed me how he could use them to find water. Amazing!
He didn't know anything about the occult or divining, he just was looking for a good place to drill a well. His mother taught him how to do it.


On a side note: I think some people take TV shows such as "A Haunting" a little too seriously. It is a TV show after all.

Taps?? These shows are put together for the Entertainment factor. Dont take them seriously for goodness sake

I like how my statement is avoided! LOL...

Hi, Actually on that episode it was a cemetery and the boy went with his Mother. She said she will always feel some guilt for taking him there. You must be thinking of another episode. I forget the name of that particular one..Ive seen it twice lol..JN

Ryan and team are on Maury right now 10:00AM, and his show was the highest rated show on A&E, also he is on the front page of People Magazine..The owner of that bar was on too, and said he can now co-exist with the spirit..JN

Nope they are just on a rant...lol

As fate would have it, that movie is on Discovery today and its called "Ghost Hunter." Check it out, its pretty disturbing, or at least the concept it..JN

justnormal i know what episode of A Haunting you are talking about i have seen it like ten time my self, and every time i see it i think to my self.there is no way that kid picked up a demon from a cemetery. just by looking at the little punk it is plain to see he has been messing with something ells and he douse not want to say what he was messing with. (satanism or witch craft)
but let my go out on a limb here maybe just maybe this kid desperately seeking his mothers attention, who happens to be a Paranormal investigator/medium, and this was the only way he could get her to stop chasing ghost's for a minuet and give him a little attention... no that would be crazy right? people don't do thing like that for attention in this world. right???? but i must say A Haunting is one of my favorite shows on TV....