I must first acknowledge the fact that there is a growing uneasiness in this forum as fascination with demons and demonology increaes. I'm really curious about this though.

It is very convenient that we fear demons.

I've noticed that because we fear demons, many people just assume they exist and don't dare challenge their existence, because of the terrible consequences which may come about, judging from the horror stories we've all heard.

Demons are reputed to have great physical influence and manifestation in the physical world when we 'summon' them or open ourselves up to such forces. Why then, have we not all tried to summon one for ourselves, and prove the existence of otherwordly entities? Because of fear. I have heard literally thousands of stories of Ouija boards gone wrong and demon energies causing havoc. Why, in these stories, are people summoning demons rather than angels? Because the demons make the stories so scary, we're frightened into believing them.

I'm just saying, there is a sick fascination in negative energies rather than positive energies and it's fear that drives this. So, let's summon some angels!

Perhaps you understood what I said, perhaps you didn't get a word of it. Bottom line is: If you can't validate what you hear because of fear, you still can't validate what you hear.

For the same reason my little sister wouldn't be caught dead (no pun intended) saying 'Bloody Mary' in our bathroom mirror.. People are scared into believing things, and once the idea is formed in their head, they 'play it safe' and go with the idea. In my opinion, this is why the bible is so widely accepted, because everyone knows if you don't believe in the bible you are going to be damned to hell! convenient

I don't know if what I was trying to say came out right.. but I did the best I could. Very touchy subject..

I would assume most of us fear evil, its human nature, but to make it an obsession is not healthy. I dont know anyone who has summoned a Demonic, but heard lots of guardian angel stories, so they are there. Its said "where there is a Demon, there is an Angel." The problem from my standpoint is people think, if we talk about them, think about them, or even mention one, we are doomed. Bottom line is, they are out there, and not for us to summon. They can lay dormant for years and years on property or a home, and surface at will, usually when someone is either emotionally or physically down. As long as all of us have free will, they cannot win, and they wont win. I have had a haunting, and I am the easy target for many on here. Did I summons it? Hell NO..Did I even think of it? NO..Did it sneak in? YES..I have all the validation I need, but the sad part is, people are ignorant to this subject. A few said I thought I was "special" by having a haunting? SPECIAL? Those are one of many misconceptions. I truly believe, if people understood, and were somewhat educated on this subject the fascination would decline rapidly. I dont fear what is not around me, I dont feel fear due to someone I havent met yet, and I choose NOT to live in fear of anything, and that is my strength and free will..Those who dabble in the occult, such as Ouija boards, no angel is going to lower themselves to the occult, so most get a negative entity, thats what attracts them. I find a few on here, are scared, others are sick of it, others dont care, and some just dont believe, but thats their choice. So, with all that said, being a paranormal web site, this subject will come up, but sadly it turns into a dark debate. Thats just my personal outlook on this..JN

Thank you ziggy, believe me I wasn't talking about demons in the thread 'Demon & Demonlogy - the truth' thread, I was debunking their existance by using psychology as the true factors of negative energy, and not mytholical beings or super natural beings, how can negativite energy be above natural law? and your right , we should be in tune and studying Angels not demons, demonology leads to negative notions and thoughts, ouija boards are great for communicating with angels if you use the board in a proper state of mind, that goes for any psychic tool,

I'm very new to this subject, but why don't people 'summon' angels? Surely that would be much nicer

I don't understand how you can believe in good spirits but not bad ones? If one ignores all evil, it doesn't cease to exist. It would be like ignoring criminals and refusing to lock our doors at night, you are taking a risk. But we have knowledge of criminals and their existance, so we take the proper precautions and lock our doors. In my opinion the more we know about demons the better off we are.

You're so very right.

A wise man once told me that evil existed in this world for a very good reason - so that we could make the choice to digress from that evil. If only good existed in the world, what lessons could be learnt? What trials overcome? If there is a god, I wouldn't be surprised if the creation of 'satan' and 'demons' were entirely his intention.

Thank you, couldnt have said it better myself..JN

Every time we say a prayer, we are calling upon an Angel, we dont have to conjure them up..JN

Understood, thanks for that.

You are welcome my friend..JN

And that wise man was right, so my question is this? Why feed Satan all your energy, give it to God and his angel's, this means, give god his glory, not demons and the devil, and fearing things only leads to Paranoia- a symptom in which an individual feels as if the world is "out to get" him or her. When people are paranoid, they feel as if others are always talking about them behind their backs. Paranoia causes intense feelings of distrust, and can sometimes lead to overt or covert hostility. If your concerned about Murderers take precautions, don't walk alone at night, don't talk to people you don't know or feel may be unsafe, always lock your doors - that's just common sense...LOL better yet, learn psychology and read people, than your always intune. I never said I didn't believe in evil, I don't believe in mythical beings, and negativity can only hurt you if you let it get out of control, fear is your worst enemy, but knowledge is bliss and it keeps you on your toes, don't sweat, I know what's sneaking up on me in the dark, and most of the time it's my cat....lol

i just became a member and this is my first post. I'm a christian (among other things) and while many ppl are drawn to certain parts of the bible be it jesus or a certain aposle or such my intrest was angels, demons, exorcisms, and hell. So know all there is to know about what the bible says about demons and angels. And i think the reason people are more likely to call demons is because (biblicly speaking) they can be bent to the will of man especially if you have there name. So in a way angels are to be feared more than demons becasue we can't control them and also they are apparently perfect beings like God and souls that are in heaven so they'd probably judge you. Of course the image of angels being beautiful blonde men with wings may have to do wiht peoples lack of fear in angles. Though i t hink it's more likely that demons would be beautiful. Well thats my 2 cents for what it's worth.

Sigh.... I really hate to beg to differ, but Angels are not to be feared, because fear is what leads you to demons, I think people need to spend a little time in the Mind section, your thoughts, emotions and fears are powerful, so is your imagination, if you see angels as evil, than that's what you will believe, if Angels are evil than so is God, demons are evil because they are neagitive, angels are postive, and so you would want to stay with the postive, but be cautious of the negative...

Hi Electra,. I woud just like to ask you about one comment on that post. "fear leads us to Demons?" Its a statement like that, that could cause others to gather more misconceptions. Fear doesnt lead us to Demonics anymore than hipocracy leads us to angels..JN

I have to disagree, demons feed off fear more than anything else. Fear is what lets them into our lives.

I agree with you 1000% Ziggy, In my experience, the only people who are bothered by demons, are those that fear them.
Everyone else seems to get along just fine.

That's right Ziggy, fear is your worst enemy, but Angels are love and love is your best friend, there is a lot of truth in love, and because truth can hurt at the best of times people are unwilling to give or take it, but in return it leads to fear, because fear and love are the main two emotions we carry... So which do you chose love or fear? I chose Love because it has lots to teach and there is not enough of it going around, it's a cup of life and what we need to live free of misery.

hi ziggy....one of the reasons people play with demons reminds me of a song i heard...it went something like this..

mama told me not to look into the eyes of the sun....
but mama, that's where the fun is.

many people play with dynamite for the thrill and it's o k for them.... right up to where it blows up in their face..

randomhit10

I was raised Catholic, attended all girls Catholic schools/college and been around Monsignors, Priests, Monks and Nuns and I cannot recall being taught that you had to believe in demons. Demons are mythological creatures akin to dragons! I believe there are good spirits and bad spirits as there are good and bad people.

Angels don't need summoning I believe they are around us 24/7 and will only appear when needed. Angels cannot interfere with free will so if you decide to conjure up anything I guess you will have to deal with the consequences.

In my opinion, demons don't exist as a spirit or a physical being that were created by a supposedly benevolent god to torture, harass, abuse, and steal the souls of humans. I think the authors of the portions of the bible that speak about demons were either speaking metaphorically, or trying to explain things they could not understand fully, or trying to create something that would scare the people into wanting to believe and not stray from the faith.

If they were speaking metaphorically, I would assume they were talking about humanity's own destructive nature, whether it be self-destruction or not. We have all heard alcoholism and other addictions called demons, and I think it is similar to what the authors may have been referring to. Temptation, deceit, addiction, and general mischief is in human's nature, but can all be attributed to biblical demons. I think it is those traits that are the actual demons, and there isn't a puppet master with cloven hooves and a pointy tail behind the evil that humans can portray.

If they were trying to explain things that they didn't fully understand, I would be inclined to think that it was obvious that those same traits of humanity were not understood, psychology wasn't a big field in those days, so they attributed it to some supernatural entity. They attributed almost everything they couldn't explain to something supernatural, why would this be any different?

The ones who were using demons to oppress and scare people into believing probably came later, and enforced the idea of supernatural demons and made it sound like these things preyed on weak Christians or people of other faiths, therefore causing people to be too fearful to educate themselves on other beliefs, or to rebel against the leaders of the church.

Demons are scary, so much so that people are fearful of them to this day. JustNormal has had some kind of 'demonic' haunting, and although I don't believe in demons the same way she does, something scary and powerful enough happened to her to make her honestly believe they were biblical demons. I can't explain what happened to her, as I was not there and probably do not have enough proper training. But I think that had she not already known and believed in demons, she would have attributed the unexplainable things happening to her to something else (i.e. aliens, ghosts, etc.) Demons are real to her because that's how scared people still are of them.

(JN I just want to throw in here that I don't want to debate with you, I know something horrible happened to you, and I respect your beliefs, and I am not trying to change your mind. I am just glad that you don't have the problem anymore, whatever it was, and I was just showing my opinion on your particular situation. I of course, might not be right. )

That is not exactly what I meant, and yes they do feed of fear, but simply because one person fears them, lets say, doesnt mean it puts them in harm's way. There is no need to fear them, and for those who do, the outcome is the same.These entities can and do attach to everyone from clergy, Nuns, and you next door neighbor. They are equal opportunity predators. The only time fear comes into play is IF someone has an encounter with one, then are told to ignore and show NO fear. They dont want to be acknowledged, but once they end up in someones home or life, they have to feed off the fear, anger, tears and terror in order to gain strength etc. What I meant was, globally no one has to fear them, but its a darn good idea to learn about them, just like angels, spirits and anything else that doesnt seem to belong in our world, or daily life..JN

I agree... I was brought up catholic and we was taught that the bible was a parable, a guide to religious enlightenment.. We was never taught to take it literally thus it is my opinion that Heaven and Hell are metaphors for the high and low of the realms.

And this is how I view it as well.

So if heaven and hell are metophors so are angels and demons... Angels being the purest of spirit and demons being the negativest. Its logical.

everyone is forgetting one important fact here, death, everything we fear comes form the fear of death. why would you fear something if you werent afraid of dying?as soon as we learn to accept death and not fear it(i myself still fear death, as many others)wich will probably not happen ever

I know what a very volent ghost is capable of , I've seen it destroy not one life but two, and I was 10 years old at the time. The nightmares and sleep paralysis I had suffered after was emontionaly and mentaly angonizing, and it nearly destroyed me, I'm sorry to hear that someone else had to exp such a thing, and I can understand your fear, but fear is what it feeds off of and that's why I chose not to believe or look to deep at issues that concern demons.

Sounds awful, being young, afraid and powerless is horrible- I feel I understand your posts and intellectual position more now. Do you think if you chose to believe you may be more vulnerable?

Thanks, you dont know the half of it. But allow me to correct your word, it was not a ghost it was a Demonic, and of course I didnt know it for a long time. I am not fearful any longer, and that is a huge accomplishment for me, because the terror and horror left me with some PTSD, but I am healing. I use faith, prayer and I believe in myself, and I wont let anything or anyone run me out of my own home, I am here for the long haul. It is very very difficult to fight something we cannot see, to hear voices that are not coming from anyone in my home. Hearing like the house exploded, seeing illusions of HUGE black spiders over my bed, and other times crawling all over me. Listening to that disembodied voice say my name. I remember getting up one night to go to the restroom and there was this MASSIVE spider type web, that wouldnt let me past it, and I was horrified, but pretended I didnt care so went back to bed (scared to death). I had black eyes, and would wake in middle of night with burns on my arms and legs. Try going to sleep with a big black misty cloud actually pulsating and breathing over your bed, but you cannot act afraid. Having your hair pulled out, sometimes by the roots, and the list goes on. And those are the things I can just barely talk about. TRUST ME it happens. Initially I showed fear TILL I was advised not to, which is much easier said than done. Ignoring IT had its ups and downs, as sometimes it remained quiet and other times acted like a spoiled child, trying to frighten the living life out of me, and my son, just for attention, and the fear factor. Anyone can choose not to believe them, and thats fine, but they are out there, unfortunately. Glad you are better too. JN

This is why I said I might be wrong. I am 99% confident in my way of thinking, but there is that 1% that I will always leave open, because if something like that could happen to you, there is a possibility it could happen to me. Again, JN, I am really sorry that you had to go through anything like that. I can't even imagine it, and I am glad you overcame and let it help you be a stronger person. Keep on truckin'!

By the way, to whoever said it is our fear of death, that is partly right. Since we don't know what death entails after our bodies are physically dead, what we fear is that there is something worse to come. That's another fear tactic that is misused in some organized religions, preying on a common fear to oppress. If you don't believe what we tell you, the one thing you can't prove us wrong on will happen-you will burn in hell for eternity.

Thank you Sun, and like anything else we dont come out the same person. I believe there is a reason for everything, and this has made me stronger, more knowledgable and able to help others, so good wins over evil every time. I agree about fearing death, that is probably why were are SO interested in what happens after we die...JN-

Hi....I am so glad to have found this forum. Not many people realize that they are spirit beings. Most live out their lives like they are just a flesh body and then it is over. I grew up in a haunted house so I always had an understanding that the spirit realm was real. I was and still am a Christian. At the age of 19 I got really angry with God. I thought He was the one who had ruined my life and I was very unhappy. I lay in a dark room on the floor and with a swelled anger in my heart, believing He was the reason I was suffering, I told Him to get out of my life. I felt His Spirit leave me. I even knew how far away it went, about 6 feet away. Then I felt a very cold presence near me. I knew "something" was in the room with me. I felt a sudden sensation of being hunted. I can't explain it other than that. Mind you, I'm wide awake! I turned my head slowly to the left and met a demon nose to nose. He looked just like a grey alien. He grinned a grin I will never forget! There was no love, no mercy, and no goodness in this creature.

I screamed, "Jesus!" it was all I had to say. The Holy Spirit re-entered me with a thud and the joy of God filled me. Guys, I've since then become an exorcist. Demons are real and so are angels! The angels are awesome. I'm going to tell you how to see them. There are two ways......are you ready?!

First, stare at a white wall, without blinking and relax, you will see little white dots moving like crazy....these are angels eyes.

Second, have someone stand about a foot away from a white wall, wearing preferably a white shirt. Relax like you are getting lost in thought and stare just past their head. After a while you will begin to see a white aura, if you keep practicing you will see colors, but if you pay attention, you will see a white figure standing behind the person and usually to their right....this is their guardian angel. I have seen them raise their arms independantly of the person standing. I've had angels hold my hands during worship! You can feel their hands on yours and sometimes they will move your hands! I'm not kidding!

God loves us all...He is real...He is waiting for all His kids to take notice and invite Him to be in their life......I say lets return it! Forget religion.....rules and words. His Spirit in me, that's what I want. He talks to me too! IT is awesome and it is what He wants for us all.....! He wants to talk to you! He's is waiting for you, all you have to do is ask Him.

Great post, but in my case it took alot more than saying "Jesus" it took months, and the haunting, looking back was years in the making. You were lucky that your lasted moments. Yes Demonics DO exist, and they detest humans, and are out to destroy us, one way or another. Faith is what got me thru my haunting, along with a Demononoligst as mine got very violent..God Bless..JN

AS you said, there are many demons that are very violent as there is more than one kind of demon. The Holy Spirit will cover you and remove fear of demons from you. I have discovered this.

When I do exorcisms, it is God that the angels are obeying when a demon is removed. You use the name of Jesus, but God Himself sends the angels to destroy that demon. You must be filled with the Holy Spirit, then God is in you and He tells you what to do.

A word of warning..... before anyone ever tries and cast one out. You can be seriously injured if you don't have the Holy Spirit in you. Please do not try this unless you know God is in you.

Many blessings too.............

If demons exist and are out to destroy humanity and the only defence is religious faith, then why are there any atheists/agnostics/believers of some faith not your own left on this world?

This question is open to those of any particular faith who believes in demons.

I agree, and found out the hard way LOL...JN

I so far have found that what the bible says is true. Demons only answer to the name of Jesus. Those who have given their lives to God by believing in His Son are taken to heaven upon death and I cannot find them in the spirit realm. My mother died. She spoke in tongues and was filled with the Holy Spirit. I was shown her in heaven in a vision after her death and saw her playing with children. I have yet to come across her spirit in my ministry as an exorcist.

In Gen. 6:3 it says God gave man 120 years upon the earth. God never lies. Once your 120 years are up you go to hades, sheol, or hell there to await the second judgment and second death and judged according to your works (according to the bible).

In my opinion....and mind you, this is what I am in an understanding of through experience and scripture. Only those who are filled with the Holy Spirit will enter heaven. All others go to the realm of death, then hell to await their final judgement.

During an exorcism, I see the human faces of the unclean spirits. That is what I see and they tell me their names, how they died, and how much longer they have left before going to sheol. They bring the illness they had upon death into the person. Once expelled, the person is healed.

I'm not denying anyone's faith in demons based on their religious belief, servant (and welcome to UM btw ), I was asking why, if demons can only be stopped with faith and they are so antipathic towards life, there are any non-faithful left on this planet. Surely the demons would have destroyed anyone without faith in the few thousand (if you take some faiths in a literal sense) years we and they have been around.

Supernatural beings such as 'Demons' are tulpa's - a tulpa according to traditional Tibetan doctrines, is an entity created by the act of the imagnation, like a fictional character of a novelist - 'The Devil' is also a tulpa and the more power you feed it, the bigger it gets, only thoes who have birthed the tulpa into existance can destroy it, or what Satanist refer to as banishing it, Supernatural beings such as 'Demons' are not the same as 'Inner Demons - such as drug addictions, alcholo addiction, medical conditions or mental condictions' and are not the same as 'Social Demon's' such as Negatitive people, Serial Killers, Criminals - people who reap havoc on society.

Thank you for welcoming my input. The thing about demonology is that there are so many many myths. It is much like a lawyer who drowns his opponent in paper work. So what I have done is base what I know on what I personally have discovered is true.

Demons that make people sick, the kind Jesus and His disciples cast out were called unclean spirits. They aren't on earth but a short time, 120 years including their past life and are simply trying to live again. Sadly they are human spirits. They bring their illness with them into the next body.

Faith, itself, will not make them leave a person. And in some cases they don't wish to kill the person, but live again through them.

Other demons, like newly fallen angels are not able to possess a person but appear huge. If you were to give it a physical body to the size they are when you see their spirit it would be about 7,000 1bs. or so my teacher has told me.

I so far have only seen the spirit of death, an alien demon, the unclean spirits......my teacher sees them all the time, I only see them when I'm doing the exorcism and the Holy Spirit is on me really strong.

I do know that God will not allow a demon to do certain things and He has laws and guidelines for all His creation. I also have seen other people's guardian angels. We truly are not alone.

I wouldn't quite call an alien a demon, but they are a breed of species that we know nothing about...

I wouldn't quite call an alien a demon, but they are a breed of species that we know nothing about...But think about how strange we seem to them.

I know next to nothing about demons, so excuse me if I appear as ignorant - though I'm always surprised to see them in the Ghost forum, are Demons ghosts? I don't mind them being here at all, but I'm surprised it isn't a religion and belief's topic, isn't religion at the heart of demonic activity?

Reg

I too questioned why the topic of demons were in a ghost forum, and yes they do belong to the religious belief. But it seems every malevolent spirit is considered a demon, even if I or others see them as seperate things.

The forum is called "Ghosts, Hauntings and The Paranormal" so maybe they are being filed under hauntings or paranormal?

Although I myself put them in the Supernatural category

Yes the supernatural category is where they belong, one tends to get a little tired of crawling over them to get to the ghost...LOL

Hi Reg, good question. Demons are not ghosts or spirits, because they never lied or died. I call them entities or things, because that is what they are. This began with the Bible, but as of right now, every religion/denomination in every Country not only believes in them, but has their own rituals to cast them back to where they belong. They never show themselves, but in order to complete their agenda here, due to the fact they detest humans, they dont say there names, or anything like that. Normally it starts like any other haunting, but after awhile we realize it ISNT.They instead instill fear upon humans symbolically. Its been my experience that the ONLY way to rid your home and life of a Demonic is with clergy or a Demonologist, and that has nothing actually to do with religion of the one being tortured but that of the professional, as he uses God to command IT to leave. Whether its a Rabi, Minister, Pastor or whatever, they perform a similar way of casting these monsters back to where they came from. JN

It seems the reported experiences of evil are always split between seeing/experiencing something as demonic or just as various kinds of entities. It's down to what a person percieves..and then of course what their personal beliefs are...

That's what I thought, thanks Anvil