First of all let me say that I don't Believe in Satan but I've always thought this was an intresting idea.

Prometheus Brought fire from the Gods to man wasn't he really just trying to help? Could if of been the same with Satan? Why was God so upset up Adam & Eve eating from the tree of Knowledge? All Satan really did was convince Eve to think for her self & know right from wrong any self-respecting parent would. Zeus punished Prometheus when he gave fire to man so why did God feel the need punish everyone?

Satan in this instance is the saviour of mankind and the hero. It is all the more possible (if I believed Satan existed) that the calling of Satan as the embodiment of evil in the Bible is proganda and slander. Us is the pantheon of Gods. Besides ever wondered why we only hear Gods sode of the story?
After all there are two sides to every story I'm sure its the same with this one.

I'm no expert but i equate(rightly or wrongly) satan with lucifer. Lucifer, as far as i'm aware means lightbringer which would make him/her basically the same animal as prometheus. tadaaa.

I feel sorry for Satan he tries to help out and we have to hate him for it.


The problem I see is that no matter what evil acts God may commit it is ignored or praised because he is God and since he is the creator he is allowed to do it and we should love him for it. I think I shall pass on loving a child killer. ( I don't believe in God or Satan anyway)

Even if Satan was trying to be sly I wish to say thanks because if it was not for him ( if he is to be believed) we would not be Human.

I dont feel sorry satan at all. Satan, was good to begin with, he a leader of the angels, although not an angel himself. My religion teaches me that satan is a Djinn, he started off well, but when god created Adam, he told the angels (satan was their leader as djinn- cheif) to prostrate to ADam, who was Gods most suprerior creation. God knew at this point what satan was going to do, he could have kicked him out before he went through with his actions, but then satan would have an argument, why did you kick me out on the pretence that i was going to rebel, when i have not done so yet. So god lets us use our free will to the extreme if wanted, he will not stop you, so when he judges you, you have no excuse. Therefore he let satan become rebelious, he let him carry out his actions, so satan rebelled and said i will not prostrate to something which is not as great as me, (the sin of pride and vanity), for i am made of fire and he is made of clay. At this point allah cursed satana and told him to leave, but satan in his pride and vanity posed a challenge to god, that he could misguide man away from their true god, if god grants him life till the day of judgment. God knew this was going to happen, he also knew Adam and Eve would be the first of mankind to be fooled by mankinds arch enemy, satan. But god wanted to test mankind to show satan and the rest of his creation, that there will be those who fall for satans traps, but there will be from mankind, people who stay steadfast, patient and pious and will still worship one god.

Satan is only around till the end, coz god granted him this life so he could fulfil his challenge. So satan who is the arch enemy of mankind wants to stop man from returning to their true home, heaven. Instead he wishes to take them to hell with him. He is not greater than, nor is he godly, he is a different creation, with freedom of choice, he was once of good nature, but rebelled against god and will pay the price for it. He will also be judged, but its pretty clear cut from his actions, where he is going.

I can still understand why Satan would be upset.

To think we were created by God to be a superior creation is vain, And if this was true then it was Gods fault for all the trouble because he played favouritism which caused the problem to begin with.

Heres another though This is God's side of the story. Have you ever once wondered if God was telling the truth? Perhaps God is not as powerful as He wants everyone to believe and only claims victory over Satan to inspire loyalty. Perhaps the legions of fallen angels are preparing an assault on Heaven as we speak. And just maybe this time Satan's armies will overthrow God. I am not here to change your beliefs. I merely want to make you to have an open mind.

Good thinking, norwood, but the devil is in the details. (I'll stay with your OP; your follow up is a staple of Gnosticism, and so the resident Gnostics should field that one.)

(New American Bible, which has reasonable cross-denomination consensus)

Genesis 3

1. Now the serpent was the most cunning of all the animals that the LORD God had made. The serpent asked the woman, "Did God really tell you not to eat from any of the trees in the garden?"

2 The woman answered the serpent: "We may eat of the fruit of the trees in the garden;

3 it is only about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden that God said, 'You shall not eat it or even touch it, lest you die.'"

4 But the serpent said to the woman: "You certainly will not die!

5 No, God knows well that the moment you eat of it your eyes will be opened and you will be like gods who know what is good and what is bad."

6 The woman saw that the tree was good for food, pleasing to the eyes, and desirable for gaining wisdom. So she took some of its fruit and ate it; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

7 Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized that they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made loincloths for themselves.

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The serpent is clearly identified as an animal, not a "fallen" angel, nor Satan (a specific character with his own personality and backstory), nor Lucifer (yet another character, different from both the serpent and from Satan). Conflation of these distinct characters, and even at least two distinct orders of being, is recent.

The story is a hero story, and eating the forbidden fruit is a hero deed. The heroes, however, are Eve and Adam (rightly in that order... what does she see in that guy? I suppose it was one of those "if you were the only man on earth" deals).

The serpent is not a hero, however, but a "magical helper," a stock figure in hero tales. An animal (yes, a talking animal) is a popular choice for the magical helper role.

It is debatable whether or not the serpent is of the "trickster" variant of magical helper ("You certainly will not die" is both at least and at most a partial truth in context), but this helper is no "deceiver". The heroes receive the promised boon for performing the hero deed, precisely as the serpent described it to them, promptly and in full.

There is no canonical version of the Greek myths, so here is what is typical. Other versions exist.

The fire incident of the early-days-of-humanity saga is also a hero story, and within that, Prometheus plays the hero role. He is a trickster. He tricks Zeus. Zeus punishes humanity for Prometheus' trickery by hiding fire from them. Prometheus frustrates Zeus' punishment by stealing fire and giving it to people. He pays for it.

While there are parallels with the serpent (both are punished by mutilation, for instance), Prometheus simply plays a different role. He is nobody's adviser, he acts.

The "early days" saga continues, however. Fire is out of the bag, so to speak, but another punishment awaits humanity. Pandora, a superficially close counterpart of Eve, shows up to wreak divine havoc. As in the garden, there is the "one forbidden thing" motif, and the woman's quest for knowledge motivates her to violate the divine injunction, and so we are all toast to this very day.

The correspondence is superficial, though (although it may just be that we have only a corruption of some earlier story with a tougher leading woman). Pandora is denied hero status, she is almost comic relief, she does not benefit from her deed, and no boon is bestowed on her or anybody else. Torment, and only torment, follows from her attempt to satisfy her secular and merely personal curiosity.

One more thing about Eve. It's not far off-topic, since she is the real hero of the story discussed in the OP. It is a comment by Ayn Rand, of all people, an atheist, but a literate woman.

The gist of Rand's take (apologies that I cannot come up with the quotation) is that if Eve was ashamed to be naked, then at least she had the consolation that finally there was somebody who could appreciate her nakedness.

I did look at both sides and that is why I came to the conclusion that God is dodgy like a used car salesman. ( I dont believe in any of them but if it is real then I think God is sly)

I hear people say how they are going to be absorbed back with God or be one with God. Both of those sound to me like DEVOURED.





God makes me think of one of these. It lures its prey then devours it.


God seems like a man in a car waving candy at kids then snatches them up.
I hear everyone saying don't let Satan try and tempt you but God to me seems the one to be doing all that.

God was upset because as a patriarchal figurehead it is preferable that you have more knowledge than your followers. Keep them ignorant and you control them. Set up a story where the gaining of knowledge is evil and you have more control.

Satan in the OT is very different to the NT Satan.

Satan in the OT is God's middleman, sent by God to test people's faith. Satan is not evil. have always been interested in depictions of satan in literature. One of my favorites is the conversation Ivan has with satan in "The Brothers Karamozov", by Dostoyevsky. In it, satan explain to Ivan that his only "sin" was to choose not to join in the otherwise unanimous praise of God. And that it's because he refused to do so that our universe exists, and that it will cease to exist when he surrenders to God. So in this depiction, satan does indeed see himself as a long-suffering victim, of sorts, with the existence of the whole universe riding on his will. He even complains that at this point, he's long forgotten the reason that he once refused to bow to God, and that he would love to surrender and to praise God, but if he does, that will be the end of this existence, and all that will be left will be one unending "hosanna". And he just can't bear to let that happen, as it strikes him as a kind of death of everything that matters.


Then there is the story of Memnoch the Devil by Anne Rice where a man hears a conversation overheard in a coffee shop in Venice in one of Anne Rices Vampire Chronicles, which basically consisted of Satan telling God he was sick of the job, he's been misrepresented, people don't like him and could someone else do the job if it isn't all too much trouble.
And I still maintain that if someone is your mortal enemy, they don't swan into your house and essentially have a matey conversation with you, which ends with you making a bet with them that no amount of boils and dead family members will stop some poor chap from thinking you're top dog.

GOD

•God takes away Adam and Eve's eternal life, thus committing the first murder, and holds their descendants responsible and visiting Adam and Eve's punishment down on their children. In today's moral standards, the sins of the father die with the father.
•God destroys all life on Earth in a great flood, except for a drunk (Noah) and his family, for failing to worship him.
•God's tenth plague upon the Israelites was the unjustified murder of all first born sons in Egypt, which undoubtedly included little children.
•Before sending the plagues to Egypt, God "hardened Pharaohs heart" so that he wouldn't let the Israelites go, so he could have an excuse to visit horrible plagues upon them, like boils, killing cattle and murdering all first born sons. (Exodus 4:21)
•God orders the Levities to kill their "every man and his neighbour" for worshipping another god. This cost 3000 lives. (Exodus 32:27)
•God sends a plague to the Israelites, apparently feeling that mass-butchery wasn't enough of a punishment. (Exodus 32:35)
•God kills Onan for refusing to impregnate his late brother's (whom God also slew) wife and instead "spilling his seed on the ground." (Genesis 38:8-10)
•God kills the entire populations of Sodom and Gomorrah (again, including women, children and infants) for practising certain sexual techniques.
•God gives all Philistines haemorrhoids in their pubic areas. (1 Samuel 5:9)
•God kills over 50,000 people for looking at an ark. (1 Samuel 6:19)
•God kills 70,000 people because King David decided to have a census. (1 Chronicles 21:7-14)
•God approves of slavery, and instructs owners to beat their slaves. (Proverbs 29:19)
•And, finally, God makes sure that if you are guilty of even the smallest transgression, you shall suffer endlessly for all eternity, following a dramatic homecoming for Jesus, who will be extremely pissed off at everyone for putting him to death, even though it was just the Romans and even though he knew what was going to happen beforehand, and he could have easily avoided it by using his power as God to perform a miracle and prove who he was. (See the entire book of Revelation)


SATAN

•Satan, like Prometheus, gave knowledge to humanity by giving Eve the fruit from the forbidden tree. Because of Satan, humanity gained knowledge of good and evil, according to Genesis. Since we couldn't have possessed knowledge of good and evil before eating the fruit, Adam and Eve couldn't have known that eating the fruit was evil, so it seems a little harsh to punish them as severely as God did. Satan gave humans true capacity for moral judgement, unlike God, who simply expected everyone to mindlessly obey his orders.
•There is no biblical record of Satan engaging in the murder of torture of any human being, unlike God, who is guilty (and proudly guilty) of committing genocide.
•There is no biblical record of Satan ever ordering someone to kill someone else, unlike God, who has repeatedly demanded the deaths of those who commit even the smallest of offences.
•Satan will not be holding a massively dramatic ceremony full of blood and death for the return of his son to Earth. God apparently will.

From
http://daltonator.net/durandal/religion/satan.shtml

Well when you put it like that.........

My point excatly.....

Satan and God are one and the same thing. The choice is ours to follow what we choose to believe in, via the values and rights each brings to the table.
If you look closely at either faith's point of view, they really are very simular, at the root value i mean.
I don't believe in either but there is good and evil in ALL of us if we tell the truth.
Thats why i am known as Belial on the boards...BE - LIAL.

chaozberg, everyone is entitled to their opinion/belief. Your interpretation is so full of personal pre-conceptions; and so far from that which any logical, detailed, and coherent study of god (both old and new testaments) brings an unbised reader to; that it cannot really be taken seriously as a depiction of the god of the bible. Many serious students of the bible have very differing views on the nature of god, but all can be supported at least in part because they are based on an understanding of god in a more complete sense, and on his relationship, (at least as expressed in the bible) with different peoples at different times.

Thus, your opinion is really only valid as that of a person who, at best, does not believe in a real/physical god , or at worst a person who does believe, but completely refuses to accept the biblical story of god and his relationship with humanity.

One of the most telling give aways is "by todays moral standards." This indicates a belief that moral standards are mutable, (capable of change) according to man's wishes, and also that modern morals are better than "biblical" ones.

At the very worst, biblical standards were much more appropriate, to peoples of biblical times, than our ones would have been, for them. However, the whole point of the bible is to produce a set of moral/ethical standards that are approriate/best for all societies. I would argue that most biblical principles are better, even for modern societies, than the ones we rely on today.

Of course some need adaptation in application. For example, in a small agrarian based society, if a son did not honour his mother and father, this lack could destroy the family in many ways; from lack of productive purpose to outright theft of family property. Thus in OT times the son would be put to death.

Exclusion from the tribe was a possibility, but often resulted in a less humane death, as tribal structures did not often welcome out siders. Today, while the death penalty is not necessary, both because the parents can be supported by the state, and becaiue the son can be safely ostracised from the family unit, the underlying principle and commandment (honour thy parents) should be the guiding light for behaviour.

It is interesting how, as membership of a social unit evolved from family, to clan, to tribe, to nation, this principle has continued to be an important one.

Even in non -christian based nations, failure to "honour" ones nation state has always been one of the crimes awarded the death penalty, and one of the last to be removed from the statute books. The examples here include treason to the state, and failure to suppport the state in times of war.

God's aim was always to protect his chosen peole from the effect of sin' which had entered earth at the time of the fall, and which negatively affected every part of human existence. One of the most personally effective countermeasures to sin was to live by god's laws. (As it is today) This offered physical, and practical, protection to both families and societies. However, when the effects of sin became too great, and almost all inhabitants of earth were contributing to their own destructive behaviour, god did at times try to wipe out sin, by cleansing the earth of sinners. When he did this on a small scale(sodom and gommorah or a big scale (the flood) he sent messengers to first try to turn people back to a safe way of life. Then he sent warnings, reminding people of his authority, and explaining what would happen.Only when left with no alternative did he destroy the cancer which was infecting society. Even then the bible makes it clear that this was done with great reluctance and at great personal cost to god.

The closest modern analogy I can think of is a father who finds one of his sons providing drugs to his siblings, or risking HIv infection of the family through his behaviour. A loving father would have to take some action. He would warn , threaten, educate, etc, but if that did not work, he would have to act to remove the source of the infection. While a modern father might have a range of options, the nature of the problem, including the free choice god had created in man, limited the possibilities open to him.

Having been in this very situation, albeit with a nephew whom we had been caring for, and who had been living with us for many years, I can appreciate both the necessity for action, and the consequent pain, god felt. In our case we had to tell the young person and his family to leave our property were they had a refuge from the world. The drugs, violence and other issues were threatening to destroy our whole family. We said that if they could not live at least basically by our "rules" it was impossible to stay.

The young man committed suicide a few years later. We had done all we could, including taking his partner to a woman's refuge several times, and binding up his wrists after he cut them open, by bashing out all the windows on the caravan he was in. The upside is that his partner and her children, who include two of our great nieces, are among our most loved relatives to this day, and understand that we did all we could to save our nephew.

In NT times we save ourself, by choice, from the effects of sin. While we can minimise sin's harmful effects in our personal lives on earth, through obedience to gods laws, in the end we can regain the nature of humanity and relationship with god which existed before the fall, only by accepting jesus's sacrifice. If we do so, our souls will be reborn into new bodies and eventually placed back onto an earth which has been cleansed of all sin by fire, and which has been recreated as a new earth for all surviving humanity.(this is the actual message of revelation and is quite clear and unequivocal) Of course it only has relevance for a biblical based christian Everyone else can just carry on as normal(just like the inhabitants of soddom and gomorah and the people of earth before the flood)

I agree that we all have good and bad in us it is what makes us humans.

But I guess that point of this is that Satan might not be such a bad guy after all ( if he was real) and that maybe it is in fact the other way round and God is the bad guy.

We get told to not fall to the temptations of Satan yet those who would tell us this are tempted by God's offer for eternal life.

To me God seems to be waving a lollipop at people and offering them into his home.

Hey, Norwood.

You have made Anne Rice's day to mention her in the same post as Dostoyevsky .

Before we leave the Garden entirely, yes, of course, Satan (literally, the adversary) is the ground necessary for the figure of God to be perceived.

But Satan was not in the garden. We, the creatures, are the ground of God's being in that tale. If Satan is a hero, then it cannot be on account of a story in which he never appears.

In any story, if the story has good guys, then it needs bad guys, else there is no story to tell.

No Loki, No Odin. And that is a really good story, because Loki and his kind are going to win that one, Odin knows it, and he carries on anyway, one day at a time, until the end of days. Not many gods have stones, and Odin's clank when he walks.

It is a marvelous thing that, because of the now fragmentary state of the original texts of that story, it appears as if we may have lost the page where it is explained what binds Odin and Loki (who really is parallel to Prometheus, BTW).

My guess is that we have not lost that page, because there never was such a page. What binds the opponents is inevitability - each is necessary for the other to be.

So, too, in Job. There is plainly no lost page there that explains why God is "trading with the enemy." Of course God and Satan chat it up, exchange pleasantries, and then play, like the beings of eternity who they are, with Job for a while.

Who else is worth God's time and effort to talk to?

(And there is your Satan-Prometheus connection, via Loki. In Job, not in Genesis.)


You need to think like a god, norwood. It's not about being top dog. It's about being at all, and knowing that you are.

Not thinking like a god is what motivates some people to look for the lost page in the Norse saga. The Job authors wrote for an audience who knew better. The New Tesatment authors, too. It is never explained why God incarnate not only keeps Judas around, but exalts him over the others (Judas is the treasurer of the group, and Jesus' right hand).

But why stop at Judas? Read the last supper and the other garden story. All the disciples will betray or desert Jesus (except the two women in his life, and the traditionally effeminate John - a whole other story that). Jesus knows it, says it aloud, and yet he has dinner with all of them, and chats them up anyway.

(And speaking of whole other stories, Jesus then offers those who remain with him that night in the other garden the opportunity to eat once more of the tree of knowledge - and they sleep through it. That is writing good enough to make Dostoyevsky weep.)

I do not know whether Jesus was a god or not, but damned if he didn't think like one. Come to think of it, that's what he was always talking about, too, that we should think likewise.

I've heard of some preachers calling Satan that old snake.

From South Carolina? I'll bet you have .

I have chatted with priests too and they claim the snake was Satan also.

Well, priests and preachers are differently situated.

One good thing about Catholic dogma is that you can reconstruct how it was made:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04764a.htm

It's a long article. Long story short (and others views are possible) - Satan is first placed in the garden after Apocalypse was written. That would be centuries after Genesis was written down. And to put him there required some more centuries of learned wrangling.

Preachers, however, are usually of the sola scriptura persusasion. All the tradition elements relied upon by Catholics are set aside. The Bible speaks to each reader, standing as the inerrant word of God (in the more fundamental Protestant views).

The inerrant word of God (or more liberally, the choice of metaphor) is black letter: Eve's informant is a serpent, the most cunning of all animals. Satan won't make an appearance in the Bible for a while, and when he does, he is a different character from Lucifer. For one thing, while Lucifer suffers a fall (later remarked upon by Jesus), Satan is a welcome guest in the Beatific Presence, and chummy besides.

Toss in the usual concern that Apocalypse is just what it says it is - a popular form of literature back then, a commentary on current events written "in code" (just like many samizdat writings were in the late Soviet Union, and for the same reason).

As I say, other views are possible. I wasn't planning to run for Pope anyway .

My thought, Satan was a hero, he knew the risk of what he did, but in doing so did he not allow humanity the freedoms of mind, allowing us to choose what we want? when god may have intended us to be nothing more than slaves without any will to split off and do what we seem nessicary. Basicly, if satan never did what he did, would we be the same? I think not.

Salaam (Peace)

I suppose if "god" was just another entity in the universe then these things could apply, but the Creator is not a being, spirit or creature of anykind. Allah created good and evil, darkness and light, heaven and hell, and the ability to have knowledge or to be ignorant, for a purpose even the angels in his presence do not understand. The "good guy bad guy" scenario is applicable to created beings, and the nature of polarity throughout existence, but not to the Creator. Allah gives a degree of limited control and freewill to whomever He pleases. Comparative View-Lucifer & Iblees

The figure of "Satan" found in the Tanakh is one--if not the--most misunderstood characters. Evangelicals regard him as an evil fallen angel (completely misidentified with "Lucifer") in spiritual combat with Yahweh so forth and so on. His role in the Tanakh (an agent/obstacle/adversary who answers to Yahweh) is something completely different then what later Christianity made him out to be. Historically, the evolution of Satan is easily charted--having his birth in Persian dualism (Zoroastrianism et al) in and around the 7th century BCE. To make a long story short, it wasn't until the the Middle Ages--in 563 CE and the Council of Braga (there were several councils), the Fourth Lateran Council (1215) et al--that this figure was clearly defined by Christianity. Dante aided in the definition of Satan, demons and hell as well. His influence was quite profound as you well know.

Elaine Pagels (Harrington Spear Paine Professor of Religion at Princeton University .... and a favorite of mine) has written one of the seminal works on this issue entitled "The Origin of Satan." Here is a brief synopsis:

Pagels charts the evolution of the Jewish and Christian concept of evil from Old Testament times to the present day (although the majority of the book deals with the New Testament era). She explains how 'Satan' didn't always refer to an evil being but was initially used to represent an obstacle. After that meaning, it evolved into a meaning which was used to unify your group against your enemies/adversaries or 'satan'. The Jews still don't, nor did they ever, believe in or create the Satan/Devil being/creature/character of Christian lore. It wasn't until New Testament times and later that the concept of an evil being who is actually called 'Satan' or the 'Devil' or 'Lucifer' evolved. It is interesting to see how these concepts have continued to persist throughout religious and political history with groups stigmatizing others not in their group (whether it be religious, political, racial, etc.) as being 'of the devil'. Dictatorships and other authoritarian organizations always need an external enemy to bind their followers together.

The Origin of Satan: How Christians Demonized Jews, Pagans, and Heretics by Elaine Pagels
http://www.amazon.com/Origin-Satan-Christi...4481&sr=1-1

As mentioned above, Satan is never blamed when disaster et al befell the Hebrews. They recognized Yahweh as the one responsible for disasters and dishing out punishment. They had sinned--offended God in some way--and payed the price. We see this played out numerous times in the Hebrew Scriptures--particularly in Job.

Note that God allows Satan to test Job's faith under His strict orders--allows! Yahweh puts limitations on what Satan can and cannot do. And, as I have mentioned numerous times regarding said issue, it is Yahweh who does evil--and/or allows it! Satan is a prosecutor of God's will and has only the power that is granted to him by God.

Even Job knew that "The Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away" (Job 1:21). Notice Job didn't say 'The Lord gave and Satan took away'. And what does he tell his poor wife: "Shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not (also) receive evil?" (Job 2:10). At the end of the Book of Job, even his friends acknowledge that God does evil: "all the evil that the Lord had brought upon him" (Job 42:11 cp. 19:21; 8:4).

~GOD CREATES EVIL~

*Isaiah 45:7 (KJV): I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I Yahweh do all these things.

*Lamentations 3:38: Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not EVIL and good?

*Jeremiam 26:3: If so be they will hearken, and turn every man from his evil way, that I may repent me of the EVIL, which I purpose to do unto them because of the evil of their doings.

*Jeremiah 36:3 It may be that the house of Judah will hear all the EVIL which I intend to do to them, so that every one may turn from his evil way, and that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin.

*Jeremiah 32:42 For thus says Yahweh: Just as I have brought all this great EVIL upon this people, so I will bring upon them all the good that I promise them.

*Amos 3:6 Does EVIL befall a city, unless Yahweh has done it?

*Jeremiah 11:11 Therefore, thus says Yahweh, Behold, I am bringing EVIL upon them which they cannot escape; though they cry to me, I will not listen to them.

*Jeremiah 14:16 And the people to whom they are prophesying, Are cast into out-places of Jerusalem, Because of the famine, and of the sword, And they have none burying them, Them, their wives, and their sons, and their daughters, And I have poured out upon them this EVIL. (YLT)

*Jeremiah 18:11 Now, therefore, say to the men of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem: 'Thus says Yahweh, Behold, I am shaping EVIL against you and devising a plan against you. Return, every one from his evil way, and amend your ways and your doings.

*Jeremiah 19:3 You shall say, 'Hear the word of Yahweh, O kings of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem. Thus says Yahweh of hosts, the Elohim of Israel, Behold, I am bringing such EVIL upon this place that the ears of every one who hears of it will tingle.

*Jeremiah 19:15 Thus says Yahweh of hosts, the Elohim of Israel, Behold, I am bringing upon this city and upon all its towns all the EVIL that I have pronounced against it, because they have stiffened their neck, refusing to hear my words.

*Jeremiah 23:12 Therefore their way shall be to them like slippery paths in the darkness, into which they shall be driven and fall; for I will bring EVIL upon them in the year of their punishment, says Yahweh.

*Jeremiah 26:13 Now therefore amend your ways and your doings, and obey the voice of Yahweh your Elohim, and Yahweh will repent of the EVIL which he has pronounced against you.

*Jeremiah 35:17 Therefore, thus says Yahweh, the Elohim of hosts, the Elohim of Israel: Behold, I am bringing on Judah and all the inhabitants of Jerusalem all the EVIL that I have pronounced against them; because I have spoken to them and they have not listened, I have called to them and they have not answered.

*Jeremiah 36:31 And I will punish him and his offspring and his servants for their iniquity; I will bring upon them, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and upon the men of Judah, all the EVIL that I have pronounced against them, but they would not hear.

*Jeremiah 40:2 The captain of the guard took Jeremiah and said to him, "Yahweh your Elohim pronounced this EVIL against this place;

*Jeremiah 42:10 If you will remain in this land, then I will build you up and not pull you down; I will plant you, and not pluck you up; for I repent of the EVIL which I did to you.

*Jeremiah 42:17 All the men who set their faces to go to Egypt to live there shall die by the sword, by famine, and by pestilence; they shall have no remnant or survivor from the EVIL which I will bring upon them.

*Jeremiah 44:2 Thus says Yahweh of hosts, the Elohim of Israel: You have seen all the EVIL that I brought upon Jerusalem and upon all the cities of Judah. Behold, this day they are a desolation, and no one dwells in them,

*Jeremiah 45:5 And do you seek great things for yourself? Seek them not; for, behold, I am bringing EVIL upon all flesh, says Yahweh; but I will give you your life as a prize of war in all places to which you may go.

*Jeremiah 49:37 I will terrify Elam before their enemies, and before those who seek their life; I will bring EVIL upon them, my fierce anger, says Yahweh. I will send the sword after them, until I have consumed them;

*Jeremiah 51:64 and say, 'Thus shall Babylon sink, to rise no more, because of the EVIL that I am bringing upon her.'" Thus far are the words of Jeremiah.

*Ezekiel 6:10 And they shall know that I am Yahweh; I have not said in vain that I would do this EVIL to them.

*Micah 2:3 Therefore thus says Yahweh: Behold, against this family I am devising EVIL, from which you cannot remove your necks; and you shall not walk haughtily, for it will be an evil time.

*1 Kings 21:29 Have you seen how Ahab has humbled himself before me? Because he has humbled himself before me, I will not bring the EVIL in his days; but in his son's days I will bring the EVIL upon his house.

*2 Chronicles 34:24 Thus says Yahweh, Behold, I will bring EVIL upon this place and upon its inhabitants, all the curses that are written in the book which was read before the king of Judah.

*2 Chronicles 34:28 Behold, I will gather you to your fathers, and you shall be gathered to your grave in peace, and your eyes shall not see all the EVIL which I will bring upon this place and its inhabitants.'" And they brought back word to the king.

*1 Samuel 16:23 And whenever the EVIL spirit from [the] Elohim was upon Saul, David took the lyre and played it with his hand; so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the EVIL spirit departed from him.

*1 Samuel 18:10 And on the morrow an EVIL spirit from [the] Elohim rushed upon Saul, and he raved within his house, while David was playing the lyre, as he did day by day. Saul had his spear in his hand;

*1 Samuel 19:9 Then an EVIL spirit from Yahweh came upon Saul, as he sat in his house with his spear in his hand; and David was playing the lyre.

*1 Samuel 16:15 And Saul's servants said to him, "Behold now, an EVIL spirit from [the] Elohim is tormenting you.

*1 Samuel 16:14 Now the Spirit of Yahweh departed from Saul, and an EVIL spirit from Yahweh tormented him.

*Micah 1:12 For the inhabitants of Maroth wait anxiously for good, because EVIL has come down from Yahweh to the gate of Jerusalem.

*2 Samuel 12:11-12 Thus says Yahweh, 'Behold, I will raise up EVIL against you out of your own house; and I will take your wives before your eyes, and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the sight of this sun. For you did it secretly; but I will do this thing before all Israel, and before the sun.'

*Judges 9:23 And [the] Elohim sent an EVIL spirit between Abim'elech and the men of Shechem; and the men of Shechem dealt treacherously with Abim'elech;

*1 Kings 14:10 therefore behold, I will bring EVIL upon the house of Jerobo'am, and will cut off from Jerobo'am every male, both bond and free in Israel, and will utterly consume the house of Jerobo'am, as a man burns up dung until it is all gone.

*2 Kings 21:12 therefore thus says Yahweh, the Elohim of Israel, Behold, I am bringing upon Jerusalem and Judah such EVIL that the ears of every one who hears of it will tingle.

*Isaiah 31:2 And He also [is] wise, and bringeth in EVIL, And His words He hath not turned aside, And He hath risen against a house of evil doers, And against the help of workers of iniquity. (YLT)

Respectfully,

Sean