Military Evangelism Deeper, Wider Than First Thought
By Jason Leopold
t r u t h o u t | Report

Friday 21 December 2007




The Military Religious Freedom Foundation says the two photos show how the infiltration of fundamentalist Christianity in the US military is starting to mirror Islamic fundamentalism.

For US Army soldiers entering basic training at Fort Jackson Army base in Columbia, South Carolina, accepting Jesus Christ as their personal savior appears to be as much a part of the nine-week regimen as the vigorous physical and mental exercises the troops must endure.

That's the message directed at Fort Jackson soldiers, some of whom appear in photographs in government issued fatigues, holding rifles in one hand, and Bibles in their other hand.

Frank Bussey, director of Military Ministry at Fort Jackson, has been telling soldiers at Fort Jackson that "government authorities, police and the military = God's Ministers,"

Bussey's teachings from the "God's Basic Training" Bible study guide he authored says US troops have "two primary responsibilities": "to praise those who do right" and "to punish those who do evil - "God's servant, an angel of wrath." Bussey's teachings directed at Fort Jackson soldiers were housed on the Military Ministry at Fort Jackson web site. Late Wednesday, the web site was taken down without explanation. Bussey did not return calls for comment. The web site text however, can still be viewed in an archived format.

The Christian right has been successful in spreading its fundamentalist agenda at US military installations around the world for decades. But the movement's meteoric rise in the US military came in large part after 9/11 and immediately after the US invaded Iraq in March of 2003. At a time when the United States is encouraging greater religious freedom in Muslim nations, soldiers on the battlefield have told disturbing stories of being force-fed fundamentalist Christianity by highly controversial, apocalyptic "End Times" evangelists, who have infiltrated US military installations throughout the world with the blessing of high-level officials at the Pentagon. Proselytizing among military personnel has been conducted openly, in violation of the basic tenets of the United States Constitution.

Perhaps no other fundamentalist Christian group is more influential than Military Ministry, a national organization and a subsidiary of the controversial fundamentalist Christian organization Campus Crusade for Christ. Military Ministry's national web site boasts it has successfully "targeted" basic training installations, or "gateways," and has successfully converted thousands of soldiers to evangelical Christianity.

Military Ministry says its staffers are responsible for "working with Chaplains and Military personnel to bring lost soldiers closer to Christ, build them in their faith and send them out into the world as Government paid missionaries" - which appears to be a clear-cut violation of federal law governing the separation of church and state.

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http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/122107J.shtml

very sad , disgusting and UnAmerican.

If that is allowed to go on then there will be big trouble and for the rest of the world also. I do not wish for religious extremists who hope for the rapture to have its hands on a whole load of nukes.

religious beliefs are not something that should be forced on anyone, no matter the faith....but at the same time, those who have beliefs should be able to enjoy free expression also...when i was in the service, i saw no one being force to believe anything...but if you had a belief you were encouraged to exercise your faith...one morning a week was set aside for this purpose...the company i was in had Christian, Catholic, Baptist, Buddist, Moslem...the first three shared a service...the other two had their own places...worked just fine...no one had a problem.....i don't know why it had to change....

randomhit10

It's so scary ,that it actually makes me shudder while I sit here.

I need comic relief !! (even though I feel I can't laugh right now)

Uhhh....and I was considering joining the Army.....I don't feel like having a 'training accident' for not converting, lol. This has been going on for a while, it's totally in conflict with the Constitution.

I was in the Army, I used to pray every day that nothing would happen, because My internal conflict was with Father saying Thou shalt not Kill.

Thank God Nothing happened and I was spared that Choice.

Those who do pull the trigger will account for their choice. Not My business .

I used to think that what is happening in this world was a Major travesty, sometimes still do and want very much to change things, but now I have traveled to Heaven, and Know what is in store after this life , and Do not care as much, .
Don't get me wrong, I abhore Injustice and Pain we inflict on eachother daily, but know now that this life is only an ilusion, or learning place for the eternal spirit which is inside this Mortal body.

I know there are Many in the Military who do not want to kill another Human (BROTHER), I feel sorry for those who joined and then realised this.

Love Omnaka

Pagans most be having a hard time in the military. It is just wrong to take people at the weakest time in their lives and try to brainwash them into a religion. It is said it is allowed to go on. We are a country of many religions. I will be so glad when Bush is out, I hope the next one does better.

I put this up because so many think/claim that christianity isn't a part of what is pushing this war. when it is.

My nieces boy friend is now at Ft. Gordon ( who joined because there is no work to be had here. a stupid reason) was amazed at the 'us' against 'them' religious thinking. I think he's starting to sound like it a bit where before he wasn't. He never used the word towel head before. ( he's sounding ignorant , not that he was the brightest bulb on the tree to start with)

no one should be kept from observing their faith. But how much slack would a muslim in the military get if he or she had a koran with them ?

this should be a separation of church and government. Personal belief is just that and the government has no right pushing one or the agenda thereof.

More like the Christian reich!

As you know I am all for preaching God's word and trying to help people find God, And I am happy for the soldiers that have found God. I am still confused as to why we are at war and even more confused as to how religion got involved with the war. I know I come off as one of the pushy people who try to convert everyone to God and I am, I own up to it proudly. While I am all for telling people about God, I do not agree with forcing someone to believe. If you force God on someone who is not ready or does not want any part of it, It only makes them angry and may keep them from God. People with their own religions (other than christianity) have beliefs just as strong as me, Just because it is not my belief doesn't make it any less valid or important. Someone in the army who wants to find God has many choices availible to them, They should not be forced. If God wanted his word and love forced he wouldn't have gave us freewill. God would have made us so that each of us loved and served him, Being forced to do anything harbors resentment and I would not want God to associated with the resentment one feels at being forced to serve God. I have heard that the muslims resent the us because of christian groups trying to convert them to christiains. I don't think we have any business forcing our Beliefs on people who clearly have their own religion and beliefs, Always a pleasure

I think all much to do is being made here....come on people...put a picture of a soldier with a Bible next to a picture of an Islamic Radical Terrorist with the Koran and we are supposed to be alarmed at what? The gist of this article is to compare our soldiers...those who have become Christians...as no different that the Terrorists which they are fighting.

Do any of you suppose really that an American Christian Soldier is going to go into an Islamic Mosque and blow himself up hoping to kill all the infidels for the glory of Jesus Christ.

This is absurd and I am somewhat offended by the whole thing.

shame on you Lt. Ripley...as Gomer Pyle would say: Shame, shame, shame...

I would sincerly hope that our christian soldiers are far different than the terrorist, The soldiers who have found God have nothing but my respect, But they are fighting terrorist who kill to make their point. The christiain soldiers over there are far different they are fighting for peace that the terrorist be stopped from killing in the name of their cause, and for our rights too of course. Why would anyone be shamed for bringing this to our attention? I had no idea this was going on, I said many times I don't know politics nor care too, So I am ill informed but basically I disagree with being forced to do ANYTHING, Always a pleasure

Bush is one of the biggest terrorists this world has seen in a while, Now we know how not to run a world, He has served his purpose.

Love Omnaka

I always knew there was something very disingenuous about you...I just couldn't put my finger on it...until now.

well as my nieces fiancée is now in boot camp at ft. hood. letting us know how 'christians' are talking about killing F***ing towel heads . that all muslims should die. ect .......... and he is starting to sound like one of those asses as well. they are no different.

As for killing for the glory of Jesus ? that is exactly what they are doing.

Now are you offended ? shame on you if your not.

- I thought he was at Ft. Gordon. she told me this Christmas he's at Fort Hood.

killing for peace. . like having sex to save virginity.

the only thing that works against terrorism is diplomacy and understanding. this didn't spring out of thin air. our foriegn policy is at the root of it.

Ah...yes...let's Talk to the Terrorists. They are just lonely...they need to know that we understand their plight. Let's converse with them...if only we can let them understand how we really care about their dark desire to rule the world with Sharia Law then it would all work out peacefully...

Ripley! WAKE UP! The answer to those who want to kill your daughter is not ..talk to them...the answer is a bullet in the head...your daughter is safe...end of story. Do you think diplomacy would have kept Ousay and Ouday and Sadaam himself from torturing and raping young female children? If only we had just talked to him more...

...they are dead...they don't hurt anyone anymore...the time for talk is over...kill the Islamic Radicals and then you have peace. You don't get it do you?

"God told me to strike at al Qaeda and I struck them, and then he instructed me to strike at Saddam [Hussein], which I did, and now I am determined to solve the problem in the Middle East. If you help me I will act, and if not, the elections will come and I will have to focus on them."
--Palestinian Authority Prime Minister Abu Mazen quoting Bush when they met in Aqaba; reported in The Haaretz Reporter by Arnon Regular


Bush invaded Iraq illegally and without cause - and he knew it. that makes him which ? A. a dictator ? B. a terrorist ? or C. a criminal ?

I dont think it's B. since terrorists tend not to be countries per se. but definatly C with a big helping of A.

sorry , but you have no clue and are swallowing hard the right's rhetoric . and your paranoia is showing. and you don't get it.

JOC wake up ! Bush has made a Iran in the making since 80% are Shia there. which is worse in the long run ! women there in Iraq had more freedom under Saddam. Was Saddam a bad guy ? sure , but that would be up for them to change not an outsider.

their desire to rule the world with Sharia law ??? do you think it would happen ? that's like saying the Westboro church is taking over America.
the bulk of muslims are Sunni. and moderate and are not spreading anything. Are they angry ? heck yes. you would be too if some moron invaded a country of theirs for no reason and decimated it.

try educating yourself on the subject.

yes , Bush has created more terrorists by his illegal invasion. Not to spread Sharia law , but hatred against America because of what bush did. no other reason.


ps ---- more terrorists have been arrested than killed. -- so which works better ?

in 2002 where we were justified going into Afghanistan - terrorism was down 44% worldwide.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=29040

but it swung up after the moron invaded iraq

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/24/world/mi...?pagewanted=all

Saddam never had those infants in the hospital killed as the media reported. I saw this in the U.S. of all places on PBS (documentary) about the truth of Saddam Hussein .

Ever heard of perception manangement & the Rendon Group ?

Mega corporations,the government, energy companies & the media are bedfellows. If you think they are working for you then you are sorely mistaken. Do you see their kids on the front lines fighting ?

Soldiers are steadfast to kill & serve if they think they are doing it for their fellow citizens , god & country

The Role of The Rendon Group (TRG)

Al Mu'tamar through the INC is also supported by a Washington based public relations firm, The Rendon Group (TRG), which is on contract to the CIA and the Pentagon. (Rendon Home page: http://www.rendon.com/rendon/layout7/wel.htm )

The Rendon Group specializes in disinformation, psych-ops and media spin. It has played a central role in the Pentagon's war propaganda.

"In 1991, a few months after the end of Operation Desert Storm, then-president George H.W. Bush signed a presidential directive ordering a CIA covert operation to unseat Saddam Hussein. And the CIA turned to Rendon." ( In these Times, http://www.inthesetimes.com/comments.php?id=299_0_1_0_C , 4 August 2003)

Since the Gulf War, The Rendon Group has been involved in several core disinformation operations. It worked closely with its British partner Hill and Knowlton, which was responsible for the 1990 Kuwaiti incubator media scam, where Kuwaiti babies were allegedly removed from incubators in a totally fabricated news story, which was then used to get Congressional approval for the 1991 Gulf War. A fabricated statement by a "Kuwaiti nurse" was presented to the US Congress, who claimed to have seen Iraqi soldiers removing the babies from the incubators, looting the maternity ward and killing the babies. It turned out that the "nurse" was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador in Washington. Her statement, had been commissioned by the Rendon Group. (See Financial Times, 15 July 2003)

Rendon subsequently "worked to downplay press reports of the humanitarian effects of sanctions following the Gulf War." (CASI, http://www.casi.org.uk/discuss/2002/msg00838.html ).


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO312B.html




Our current politicians in power are corrupt to the deepest level and the terrorists are simply insane & ignorant. And we are the "innocents" & pawns inbetween them<> dying for their greed & insanity.

too true.

I can tell by national experience. Military + Religion = Very bad results. I still remember who the kidnaped told how the military remarqued that they were doing God´s work.....:shudder:

I'm sorry you feel that way.

My Father said Thou shalt not kill. If My dislike of one Judging another enough to put a bullet in him is disingenuous,

Then so be it. He also was the Gov who would not let Dna testing be done on Death row prisoners in Texas.

It would suck to find out, That inocent Men were put to death, But I guess the tests were too expensive and not worth Finding out the truth.


I'm not for any one Killing in the name Of God. I'm sorry if you voted for him. This is genuine.

Love Omnaka

I respect you for this Omnaka

There have been under reported US, forces who have raped and killed Muslim women and children also, Two wrongs do not maki 1 right Two wrongs make two wrongs.

Love Omnaka

Your Father told the Jews to kill certain civilizations and to kill all the women AND children. So much for thou shalt not kill...
You are judging Bush...thereby becoming a hypocrite yourself...

Please give us the quote exactly as it came out of Bush' mouth. Heresay is not evidence!

But that's okay...it doesn't really matter. Why should you care if someone kills you?

Morelike comparing him. Like I said, He served his purpose , Now I know how not to be.

I know He is here for that purpose, to show every one what is possible, and to give them something to compare.

I could actually thank him, Now I truly do not have to be like him or experience , his way, I get to do it just by watching .

I do try to stay away from Judgment, But it happens.

And the thing about Father taking Life is ,That Father can give it back, Reincarnation is true, Man can not give it Back.

Father called some sons Home for a pep talk, and sent them back.

I do not put as much faith in a book written in the infancy of this world, and Know Father never told any one to kill any one.

Do you really think God needs man to clean house for him?

Love Omnaka

Your entire theology is based on a book written in the infancy of this world...you can play this...Father game...for all it's worth...I don't really care...but it is just so much blah, blah...which is it...Go kill the Amorites...or Thou shalt not kill...which is it? Question: Is it okay with you if I come over tonight and rape, torture and then kill your mother?

My theology is based On experience, and talking with Father and Heavenly Mother, not a Book, I have always worshiped in spirit , not a book.
The spirit is love, Fathers Other name.


I have very big guardian angels ( Warriors ) Hand picked by Father, if you feel the need to Rape and kill My family, I guess you gotta do what you gotta do. I think it is a sick thought , but That is you, glad Im not like you.
Yes I would protect My Family from The likes of You, but I would not do it with the intent to kill you. If you died while trying to harm me or my Family it would be an accident.

You can call me disengenuous, And I will call you a murder and rapist.

Father (GOD) never told anyone to kill anyone. You are the one operating from a book.

Love Omnaka

My dad was a vet of three wars,WW2,korea and VietNam,having spent 33 years in the military. I don't recall hearing anything like this when he served.
he had a defferment when WW2 because he was working for Briggs and Stratton in Milwaukee.But he told grandpa he was going in anyways.
As far as I know they had Catholic,Protestant and Jewish services,or non denominational ones for everybody regardless of faith.
Russian and Eastern Orthodox may have attended Catholic services if no Orthodox priest was available. What Buddishts,Shintos and Muslims did I don't know,but that maybe were the non denominational services came in. In any case,don't recall my dad saying anything about pushes by the fundementalists christians trying to recruit soldiers to their faith. If they had tried it with my dad,he would have told them no way. He was a catholic and that was the end of the story.
These people like John Hagee are scary because one feels they want to fan the fire. If and when the Apocolsype comes,etc.Then let it be in God's time,
not because some people decide to help it along.
Because of Bush Jr.,these people have really gotten a foothold in politics.They are just as dangerous as muslim fundamentalists,but in their own way.
In regards to the Redon Group,i think that sort of thing was covered in the movie,Wag the Dog.

Where do you get Father? From the book. Where do you get God? From the book. Where do you get Angels? From the book. Where do you get Heavenly? From the book. Or....you just came up with the concept of God, Angels, The Father, Heavenly all by your self. But the concepts didn't originate with you. They originated with the book. And so, your entire theology comes from the book. You are the one who said Thou Shalt Not Kill...straight from the book you say you do not have anything to do with.


But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth: But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee: That they teach you not to do after all their abominations, which they have done unto their gods; so should ye sin against the LORD your God." (Deuteronomy 20:16-18)

So I ask you again: which is it? Thou Shalt not Kill....from the book. Or....Save alive nothing that breatheth...from the book. You cannot on one hand use the book to justify something and then on the other hand denounce the same book.

My father served too. Yes ,it was a different time. Things have changed much sadly.

Don't tell JOC that , he might come to your house and threaten your Family.

I was in the army also, My whole Family tree was military or Rabbi. I agree with your post.

Love Omnaka

I asked you a rhetorical question:


You answered:

How would you protect your family? By accidentally killing me? That's ludicrous. If someone attacked your mother and the only way to stop the attack was to kill them...would you kill them? Or would you watch your mother die? Which is it? You talk alot of love and Father says don't kill and such...but I have already shown how your entire mantra is flawed. Of course I don't expect you to say, Gosh Joc, you are right, I am being hypocritical and my theology is a bit whacked out'....because your 'theology' is YOUR invention...based on words from a book.
The same book that you claim to have nothing to do with is being read by Army Soldiers. And you want to equate that with Bush being a terrorist because he kills terrorists.

Folks...it just doesn't get more whacky than this...at least good old Bob is consistent...

I could shoot you in the kneecaps and tie you up, untill the Popo came to takeyou where you belong. My intent would be to save my Family not kill you.

I said Bush is no better than the terrorist, who believes he ios fighting for his right to Believe as he wishes Just like bush thinks he is fighting to preserve his Belief. He is not better than them And imo he is worse. Thats not a Judgment, but an opinion.
You still coming or what? Let me know what time to expect you.

Love Omnaka

Just can't answer a straight question can you? That's okay. So...let me get this straight. The terrorists are fighting for a Belief. Bush is fighting for a Belief. Therefore: Bush is a terrorist.

You believe I shouldn't kill your family...you will shoot me in the knee caps accidentally. You are therefore fighting for a Belief...which makes you no different than Bush or the Islamic Radical Fascists.

now you are being obtuse, read my lips, if you came to rape and kill my family like you said, i would do all in my power to stop you, with out killing you, shooting you in the knees would not kill you and would Save My Family.

I would not shoot you by accident , I would do that on purpose, just not with the same intent you had when coming over to my House, to rape torture and kill.

If my aim was off a little and you ended up getting one in the head or heart, know it was unintentional. At least I would know, God would know.

If you think that is a terrorist way of thinking, Then I guess that makes me on too.

I also said He is just as much a terrorist as Those who want to protect their way of life on the other side of the world where they have been at war for thousands of years, Why does bush think it his job To break it up, Oh Because God told him to. Well God doesnot tell any to kill or start wars.

Done with this Thread, enjoy your rant .

Love Omnaka

I wasn't ranting...just merely pointing out inconsistencies in your argument. I guess the kitchen got to hot.

Not too hot, I did not like your hypothetic argument involving My mother, and you take things out of context, and try putting words in my mouth.

I did not contradict myself, go back and read the script, You however by changing a little here and a little there , Twist what I state , and it makes for poor dialogue, and dumb conversation, would rather not do it, Yes I still love you.

My ideals are mine, not yours I can live w/ that.

Love Omnaka

I am totalt agaianst this war I do not condone it or supprt it, that said our troops are over there fighting and that is what we need to suport them not the war, After al they may not agree with the war but gave their words to serve their country so they are. War is not the answer, I don't know what is but the killing isn't, Always a pleasure

As far as religious indoctrination in the military, I assure you this is not true. It does not happen as is implied here. Period. It's a violation of the UCMJ, and would result in someone getting their butts handed to them.

Very admirable Omnaka, We could all learn from that, Always a pleasure

If your theology allows you the ability to compare Bush's war on terror with Sadaam's raping of an innocent 8 year old girl...then your theology is very twisted.

If your theology allows you the ability to compare Christian soldiers with Islamic Extremists...then your theology is very twisted.

If your theology allows you the ability to say "Father says Thou Shalt Not Kill" and then in the next breath say "It is your book not mine"...then your theology is very twisted.

So....write off one more member here that is incapable of having an intelligent conversation.

When I was in the military I was never forced to anything. Even the homosexual had their group. But if you want to follow Christ in the military well do that. Now let me tell you I had an lt he was pagan and then we had a Christian one. The Christian LT. make us work our tail off. and we did it gladly and happy. It was a pleasure to work for him,the pagan one. Oh man he was an animal fat and dirty he had not standard of conduct and made our life hell. bottom line if I have to work to a non- Christian and or a Christian the choice is always easy. The Christian.

I know plenty of fat and dirty christians who have no standards of conduct either. I have 1 family member in Iraq now. he's a driver. 1 about to go ( oh and correction again he's in Ft. Knox - it was the former who was at Ft. Hood. ) both tell of how pro christian anti muslim it is. how many sound like complete asses.

religion and the military should not mix. just as in our government.

Are soldiers supposed to not believe anything?

This whole thread is so absurd. I have yet to see any Christian soldiers blowing themselves up in the market place...when that happens...let me know...we'll talk about it.......

Well, I was in the Army and I received my basic training at Fort Benning, GA, and NO RELIGION was forced upon myself or others and we were free to attend any religious service such as catholic, buddist, muslim...ect. As a matter of fact, our Drill Sgt's actually gave us a hard time for going. I don't know what its like NOW but it doesn't surprise me that the article is about Fort Jackson. They don't call it relaxin Jackson for nothing. No offense to any former Soldier's here that were once stationed there lol

where did I say soldiers aren't supposed to believe anything ? But the military and Bush should keep thier yaps shut about it.

no you don't see christian soldiers blowing themselves up. they are just killing 'ragheads' among worse christian words used .

“A watchdog group that promotes religious freedom in the U.S. military accused senior officers on Monday using their rank and influence to coerce soldiers and airmen into adopting evangelical Christianity.

Such proselytizing, according to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, has created a core of "radical" Christians within the U.S. armed forces and Pentagon who punish those who do not accept evangelical beliefs by stalling their careers.”
Reuters' Kirtin Roberts: Group seeks probe of evangelical military video

WASHINGTON - A watchdog group that promotes religious freedom in the U.S. military accused senior officers on Monday using their rank and influence to coerce soldiers and airmen into adopting evangelical Christianity.
Such proselytizing, according to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, has created a core of "radical" Christians within the U.S. armed forces and Pentagon who punish those who do not accept evangelical beliefs by stalling their careers.

"It's egregious beyond the pale," said Mikey Weinstein, president and founder of the Military Religious Freedom Foundation. "We apparently have a radicalized, evangelical Christian Pentagon within the rest of the Pentagon."

The group asked the Pentagon's inspector general to investigate a video in which some Army and Air Force officers discuss their faith while in uniform.

According to the Military Religious Freedom Foundation, the video played for reporters was a promotional tool for Christian Embassy, a group that describes itself as a ministry helping national and international leaders blend faith and work.

The executive director of Christian Embassy, Bob Varney, did not respond to a request for comment.

Pentagon spokesman Bryan Whitman said the Defense Department does not endorse any religion or religious organization or judge the validity of religious expressions.

He confirmed the Defense Department inspector general, the Pentagon's internal watchdog agency, received the letter requesting the probe, but noted it was the inspector general's policy not to say whether an investigation had been opened.

"At this point it would be inappropriate to speculate as to what actions might be taken," Whitman said.

RELIGIOUS RECRUITING

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation said the officers on the video violated military rules by wearing their uniforms while discussing their religious beliefs, giving the appearance of official participation in a religious organization.

That appearance, according to the group, is particularly damaging in the military, where rank carries great influence.

"It associates the power of office with sectarian ideology," said MeLinda Morton, a Lutheran reverend and former Air Force chaplain who said her military career was hurt because she did not adopt evangelical views.

The religious freedom group also raised issues with the content of the video, including a comment from Air Force Maj. Gen. Jack Catton that he would discuss his faith with people who came to his Joint Staff directorate within the Pentagon.

Weinstein compared what he said was radical proselytizing within the military with the Islamist militants U.S. troops are confronting in wars overseas.

"When we're facing a global war on terror against what we call Islamic extremists, it certainly doesn't help when we have apparently a viewpoint from the cognoscenti and glitterati, the leadership of the Pentagon, pushing a particular virulent worldview down the throats of people who are helpless to argue against it," Weinstein said.



http://purplepinupguru.blogspot.com/2006_12_10_archive.html

here's the new testament tank - no religious influence there huh ?

why do they have a new testament banner on their tank, i am not sure I understand what your saying here, Always a pleasure