I'm skeptical.. I want to see exactly how strong the ratio of believers in telekinesis is..

Telekinesis through natural human abilities not a chance! But, through technological advancements maybe.

i voted ........and I believe in stuff like 'real time' astral projection, ghosts, elementals, & alchemy....for example.

Sad...

what is sad?

I believe some ppl are gifted, I dont think anyone can practice it

That so many people voted yes.

I voted no. The idea is a lovely fantasy but sadly it is not within the realms of possibility. I have seen a bunch of videos that people claim are proof of this "gift" it is quite tragic really.

well i hope you have enough tissues

Absolutly, the human mind can actually interact with the physical universe around us. There is "ABSOLUTE" proof out there in the form of videos. testimonials, articles, experments, etc....that is indisputable in my opion.

The mind can interact with everything around us! But, not in the sense as you seem to think it does. (Absolute proof!) No, I'm afraid not.
This is you're opinion keep that in mind, it does not in no way make it a fact.

oo vanquish keep your voice down the childeren are sleeping

Not just no. Heck no.

Nah, I don't believe in that.

Yet again:

yet again yes i always do this.

I believe in telekinesis.

The way I see it is that telekinesis is down to a very real phenomonom going on with probabilities.

We have all been sat infront of a television and been so focused on it we haven't noticed something going on in the enviroment around us. In these instances I would argue the enviroment around us is behaving as a probability because we have blanked it out.

In my opinion someone who can do telekinesis is someone who has learn't to focus like this and block things out at will. In essence they can choose what they want to block out when they want to block it out. However normal people haven't learn't to do this, to them its just an automatic responce to fascination which is out of their control.

The person who can do telekinesis is basically someone who can block out all the information regarding an objects exact position, movement and speed.
Basically they are getting the object to behave as a probability in these areas.

I do not believe in telekinesis. It would be one of the very easiest of all the paranormal claims to prove and yet when people get in the lab and they cannot cheat they can't do it for love nor money. The biggest skill these so called psychic practitioners have is the ability to role out excuses.

If it does exist then it is so weak as to be totally useless.

Why hasn't anybody blown the skeptics and scientists out of the water with a simple controlled demonstration? Because the power does not exist I'd wager...

well how many people actually go into the lab?

if you guys are so hell bent on shutting the skeptics up....why aren't there a whole bunch of you running to you science teachers/professors?


probably not that many actually go to the lab.....why? for fear they will be disproven.


have fun.

waking up time now.

and those who go to the lab why can't they do whatever they are supposed to do? because of the skeptic air around. Everyone is using psychic even if they dont know it Disbelief will cause the power of someone to diminish like 2 opposing forces so what do you expect. Why is it so difficult to prove unless with a believer or alone? well......

How do you know people don't go to the lab?
Do you think knowledge about telekinesis is going to be freely available or something?

State Secrets my friend

And I think you might find its down to quantum mechanics. People causing objects to behave quantum mechanically by shutting themselves of from them.

don really understand

I used the word "Lab" when I really should have said "Under circumstances where the element for cheating or self deception/delusion have been eliminated" but "Lab" was quicker.

I repeat - "The biggest skill these so called psychic practitioners have is the ability to role out excuses."

you see..I don't disbelieve all of psychic type of abilities..........I disbelieve telekinesis. even if it is to be proven with science, i would still argue that it's a waste of time/effort. that's just me though.

I just don't like bringing up other types of psychic abilities because, by nature, they can all be quite subjective.. an online forum just isn't always the greatest medium for discussing those sort of topics.

best of wishes.

psychics are real. Telekinesis.... hasn't been disproven. That women in russia? Don't give me that bull about controlled enviroments. I'm sure the scientists were sniffing around like dogs trying to find something to find out the secret behind the ability. more then one scientist studied her and none of them could figure it out. Of course they must be all mistaken becasue if they can't explain it then they didn't figure her out.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1120693716370774340

Whats the harm in believing in it anyway? It's as if people can scam your ass with it like phoney psychics.

I suppose its the fact that you just don't get it, and it appears as though you never will.

You're a negative on both sides of this whole psi. debate, do to the fact that you just don't seem to understand most
of anything that is being talked about. I am sorry to be so harsh! But, I think it would be a good idea for you to read
some more on these subjects, so you may understand a bit more about whats going on.


Regards,
Tom

I believe that the human brain is capable of manipulating electro-magnetism.

i believe. didn't jesus do something like that kind of stuff? or moses or whoever? parting seas and whatnot.
all of life is vibration, including the very matter we're made of, and the power of our thoughts... if enough brain power was put into an action, who's to say it couldn't manifest into thicker matter (like us...)

it is sad... sad that you refuse to believe.

Believing in jesus and the things he done requires faith! There really is no supportive evidence other than in a book about what jesus done.

As far as how energy works on a metaphysical level is purely speculative, believing that you can manifest enough energy to move an object
with mere thought requires faith as well! I suppose you do not understand how much energy would be required to move even the lightest of
objects with a thought either.


Regards,
Tom

yes i would have thought a lot of people already realised how much energy it takes to move objects with telekinesis

hey papaver ill wager against you that TK is real! how bout $200? u will hafta come to me in Indiana though cuz its too easy to disprove a video rite? so how about real life? or r u scared? kokomo, indiana thats where im at if ur coming. oh and we dont try to blow skepts and scientists out of the water because: 1. some people dont care if U believe or not. 2. they dont wanna lose confidence if u find some way to say no way. 3. people are waiting to improve their power instead of going to the lab with a

piece of paper to show to the skepts and scientists. they would poke holes in that theory so fast ur head would spin. (too light and aerodynamic) i apologize for cutting off my last post. i ran out of room to write on my psp.

Take your powers to a college or university and convince them of your powers. Get them to publish the results and I'd be happy to accept their findings if published in a peer reviewed journal.

Indiana is a long way from home for me. That's not an excuse, I can't even afford a short holiday to the French mainland, let alone a trip half way around the world.

There go those excuses again...

Do you understand the concept of burden of proof?

Papaver, try to understand and listen veeeryy closely. it may be an excuse saying we wont give u proof of a lil pinwheel without hands or wind. who wants to see that, plus its too easy to disprove. and wat i said about u coming to me, i meant u would hafta see it in real-time and real-life and be there to get ur proof cuz no video or infrared imaging can give u wat experience and seeing it for-urself can. and where r u at that is half way around the world from the United States? for some reason im curious.

He lives on the islands of Anglo-Normandes close to the french mainland!

Anyway, I'm sure you can show you're abilities to a local professor in a school or university! It's not that far-fetched, if its something
that you are willing to prove. Otherwise you are just wasting you're time.

im sorry but what? sad that he refuses to believe?


I believe that the lochness monster has a close relationship with jack the ripper....it's so sad that you don't

meowza, what is sad about rationality? the fact that he wont blindly believe in purely because it's 'nice' to believe in doesnt make him sad. it makes him smart..and the reason he doesnt click the link that says "your a 1000000 sight visitor!" everytime the thing pops up.

i really wish i was better with words, i spose this site is good practise though.

Correct.

Specifically the small island called Guernsey. Here's a map. It is West of the peninsula with the city of Cherbourg marked on it (Northern coast of France).

That's exactly what I would like any person claiming telekinetic abilities to do. Very simple and easy to do, not costly and it would be interesting for all parties concerned.

I would suggest a physics professor. Pretty much any University will have one. Even a school physics teacher would be a good start.

I soppose you like telling people who are psychic that they are delusioned?

proof is something used by skeptics as a last resort. nothing more

You think I should rely on faith instead or something? Proof is the skeptic's first resort quite obviously.

If somebody claims the ability of telekinesis, a very testable claim if ever there was one, then proof is not too much to ask for. It's a very basic concept and one that seems totally unimportant to some people but if you want to have an ability taken seriously then you are going to asked for proof and should be able to provide it, it really is a very basic thing - not a complex request or anything.

As an example, Roger Bannister was the first person to run a mile in under four minutes and quite rightly claim the title and recognition he deserved for such an ability. That record has now been beaten by Hicham El Guerrouj of Morocco in Roma 07 07 1999 in 3:43.13 - an amazing time, an amazing feat. Do you think he just said he could do it? Do you think the skeptics were asking for proof as a last resort?

I can do it in 2:58 seconds.

When I was asked to prove it by the Guinness Book of World Records and the World Olympic comittee I sneered and said that I understand that they are skeptical of my claim and they are just being skeptical as a last resort.

I am the fastest man on earth, a feat far less impressive than telekinesis I admit but don't anybody dare ask me to demonstrate my ability and prove it because I'll sneer and say that your request for proof is nothing but a last resort.

so you like to sneer obviously

I would think that they could easily demonstrate their ability to me or anybody else.

Fire away...

Not generally.

Is that all?

there are many people who demostrated but you shot it down saying it was fake. Even if it was real.