Why do u skeptics mess with psions so much. I can understand that u dont believe in it and all that, but we do and u shouldnt try to break our confidence in this or we cant show u proof. Even if u think we can never show u guys proof, then think about this, why do we all believe there is a god, heaven and hell, and the son of a god that inpregnated a human woman without having had sex with that god? that has no proof, but everyone still believes that.( also i dont believe in ur god anyways, cuz im skeptic about that.) and dont u even reply to me saying "you must have faith". Skeptics plz answer this.

hmm i think you just made points with your opposition.

i'm trying to figure out why the skeptics mess with the psions and not everything else that doesnt have proof.

I'm only sometimes a skeptic, but I must say that I'm a little thrown off by you asking why do we *all* believe in those things you listed.......I laugh at the thought of a jesus or a mary...or a christian god, etc. etc. I think it is the most absolutely ridiculous thought process a human being could have. and I love saying that too. the people who believe that, in my book, are discredited b/c I honest to goodness don't see how someone could have too much intelligence PLUS believe in all that hooHa. plus in my ancestry the christians killed a whole hell of a lot of people in my family...somehow christians as a whole don't get the same recognition by most as having such a dark past...anyway ((sorry to any christians reading this, since this post is not about christianity could you *please* spare me))

but for your main question....I don't know why so many people on this board seem to jump 'psi kiddies' asses so much....I find it a little unnecessary for a post entitled "those interested in psi" (for example) to get more responses from people who are not interested and would rather scoff at the poster than from people who are genuinely interested in it.

if your beliefs are strong, those questioning you/taunting you shouldn't make your confidence in your beliefs deter in anyway....you just have to face those people and deal with it. if you can't deal with it you probably have some doubt in your own beliefs.

I personally think telekinesis is impractical and most likely not possible.......that's what you're talkin about, right? ....I just don't see the point, but I am open to being disproven....more people should be, whether or not there is proof......and in that way, sorry if you ever feel attacked on this board....but so what.

back to what I was saying about how I feel towards christianity........as an example....I expressed my huge skepticism towards that particular religion, but anyone christians reading this post, they shouldn't feel like they are being challenged if they truly believe in what they say they do....they should be able to accept that other people have different and opposing beliefs/knowledge.........same goes for 'psi' and all that..

just my early morning thoughts on this....

i joined an underground guerilla party and ate lots of cookie dough in my dream..

We don't all believe in god... I think the majority of us don't! plz lrn ta spll meh homeie!!!

No no nooooo not everyone believes in god and there is nothing wrong with trying to find proof , I'm sure you yourself would be happy to find proof for psi, some people can't except blind faith and need to prove things one way or another...it's the only way to get the truth
I feel bad that this upsets you but we need answers and the only way to get answers are to ask questions

Okay ill be the first to answer that question, why do the skeptics jump to attention every time a psi kid makes a thread? because when we they here the same stuff from different people day after day without an proof it gets kinda annoying


however mean this sounds, I think the sad thing is psi kids are starting to lie to themselves, after to being weaved into the world of telekenisis and fantasy(i have no problem with it staying fantasy btw.).

anyway my main point is after the 5thousanth topic with no proof, it kinda looses it credibility

First off, stop calling them psions. That is a term made up by the makers of a game and is used by delusional people to make themselves feel special. Leave terms like psion to the world and playing of D&D. It does no one any good to call themselves something or label others with a term that comes from a role playing game. There is reality and then there is D&D. Note the differences, accept them and live them.


Expanding on your religion and proof stuff.

Millions of people believe in religions or gods without any proof.

A fair amount of people believe in this psi stuff without any proof.

People believing in a god is equal to believing in this psi stuff or anything else that has no proof.

Their belief does not make their gods real. The belief in psi stuff does not make it real.

People believing in gods PLUS people believing in psi DOES NOT equal the possibility of either being real.

The only correlation to be found here is that both of these require blind belief, will never deliver on any proof and will continue until people take a stand with this non sense.

I am taking a stand. I do not wish to see humanity spiral any further down this dark hole of belief. I do not want to see kids minds tainted by belief in religion, psi or anything else. I want them to believe in only one thing, themselves. Belief continues to hold mankind back. It limits us and binds us.

Knowledge, the mortal enemy of belief, is the way. Its the key to moving forward and advancing. We need more knowledge in this world, not beliefs.

You believe in psi? Fine them. Do us all a favor and prove it. I dare you. Prove it and make it knowledge. Prove it and shut me up. Prove it and move mankind forward. Prove it and do something with it. I dare you. Do this or you hold on to your pointless, baseless, delusional, blind beliefs. May they keep you warm at night.....

Kevin A.

Because you will never get anywhere believing you have or can have superhero powers... We think you get duped because this type of stuff isn't real and the people who do claim to do this lie every time or make hoax videos that could be reproduced.

People come here and claim powers like being able to control the weather, fire, water and so on and never give a demonstration to us or provide any evidence at all to us skeptics. If someone could prove to me that they can do what they say they can i would believe it... not explain it but it would be enough to figure out how this is possible and what the mechanics are behind it.

Second of all not all of us Believe in a God or an afterlife either... We're called Atheists of course if you had half a brain you would know this.

I personally believe in science and universal law and universal law says such abilities are impossible, if this could be disproved then our understanding of the universe would have to change.

maybe you could be just a little nicer

I myself do not scoff or belittle these believers! I only try and make them understand that there really is no evidence to support
such wild claims. These claims take faith in the same context that it takes faith to believe in an invisible god. (For which i might add
that i have no belief in that either, I'm agnostic.)

To me none of these extraordinary powers make any kind of logical sense, it goes against the laws of physics that we have learned,
for which governs how things work on this planet. We as humans can sometimes exceed our normal abilities! But, we still have our
limitations. (I'm talking in the sense of feats of strength, mind over pain, etc.) This is in no way saying we can control fire or move
objects with mere thought. Things of this matter lay within the fantasy realm.

I do on the other hand believe that OBE, remote viewing, and telepathy with a close loved one, seem somewhat plausible!
Some people tend to have connections with one another beyond our normal five senses through perception. OBE or AP,
tends to deal with dream states, which is plausible because people can have very vivid/lucid dreams.


Regards,
Tom

Thats like trying to teach a rock to swim!

It seems that this is the case.

Hmm, that was pretty clever of me... I think I'll right it down.

that good isn't it you are here for a worthy cause

What?

you are helping people to get rid of their beliefs isn't that a worthy cause?
i thought you wanted to be reconised for your efforts

People should really have more faith in themselves

and i am helping the skeptics to get faith. I am praising them.

So instead of spamming that site. You put it oversized in your signature. We get it. You love the site. Now get over it.

Most skeptics don't believe in god. I am agnostic. Faith don't cut it. YOU have faith. Psi is your religion and faith.

happy birthday to you
you are a skeptic
well you are special
good luck to youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

Your starting to get annoying.

"starting" you crack me up Primeval!

I have to take it easy... I have a feeling I could be banned at any moment...

Believing in a god without question is not the same as believing in anything else without question.

How can you have faith in yourself? it's the equivilent to having faith in a rock. In a sceptic point of view.



Having an abusive husband who tells you that you are a hore a slapper and that your worthless will take it's toll no matter how strong your beliefs are.

You'll have to speak for yourself on that one.......a rock (I love irony)

I believe.. well actually I know that scepticism will eventually lead back to religion. We are told to believe in god becasue it's futile to try disprove him. People think that belief (in god or paranormal) is a delusion. Well it is in fact a comfort like the sceptics say. It's a comfort in that they know that killing another human being means something. In a sceptics world humans are as meaningful as a rock and I can't see how one can live in such a world with such views. Belief is actually an advanced form of scepticism but becasue it takes so long to figure out the universe people just don't know that scepticism leads to belief and in fact the two are linked. Unless there is some maraculous dicovery that scientists find which provide us with a meaning to life then scepticism is actually the wrong way to progress for humanity. In actuality we are going backwards to follow such views. Don't get me wrong but there is religion and there is corruption.

"Action not faith"

What governs the action it didn't come out of no wear. A faith you have deep down inside. It's a tough situation to be in.

"Have the knowledge you can count on yourself"

you may live on knowledge but knowledge means nothing becasue it has no relation to anything

What i'm impling is that there has to be something more!! There my friends is wear belief in god comes from or the belief that your something more then matter and physicality. THUS we should try and prove paranormal rather than dismiss it. We would quickly see if something does not exist with the lack of proof.

I am highly Christian to let you know.

I`m a skeptic for most mental abilities (I have experienced only one possibly mental ability, which I am still skeptical of) and ghosts, since nearly every single thing I have experienced I have been able to explain (but for a few things in church). You say I should not convince you of my belief? (I will if I meet in life to my Christian ways), well most of the time I let people have their feelings and experiences. Pirochaos, you seem to be trashing my beliefs, I find this very offensive. For proof I have my own experiences as proof for me, if you refuse to except my explanations for ghosts God (my belief) and mental powers, then o-kay I can respect that. I do not harass people (if you refuse to accept my Christian ways once you here then well... *sigh* o-kay) as much as I can.

<note: Please, Please do not say "u" instead of "you".

Also please use spell-check, you are not going to get many honest and intelligent answers with the way you are writing (no offense intended).

Your are also making a dangerously general statement.>

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my point is we should try to prove the truth one way or another and the only way to do that is to ask questions
and I still believe you have to have faith in yourself! I think you should check out the dictionary on this one because there are variations on the word
Obviously we are on different paths...I hope you find what your looking for, good day to you

A belief of anything super natural, or near it, can be a defined as as religion.

Even if you happen to be a vulcan you have a religion, you believe in ka-tra (once self) the beginners who talk the land of lakes green, and that logic is a magic super force, even if they do not believe in gods.

Buddhists are defined as a religion, their belief is a logical one (for my tastes to logical), they believe in no god, even though they believe in spiritual ability (mental powers, reincarnation).
(sounds to me that you are in some way Buddhist)

Seems to me you do have a religion.

A slight variation in path i soppose



Are you talking to me?

im a christian but i don't like my religion but i still believe in God
i don't like religion anyway why should we have religion in the first place
well i admit that i cannot prove the existence of God but its my only way to find the answer on who made everything

about psi i doubt about this one
well how would you make skeptic believe? then show some psi techniques in front of them as a proof
i myself haven't seen any proof of psi
you may call me a skeptic believer

Why don't you believe it's possible and try because if it doesn't work everything is pretty much pointless is it not? so there's your motivation to keep trying.

i blame the govournments poor press coverage of teenagers.
the real lesson for kids is you dont need psi to acheive amazing things in life
hurts kids self esteems when the press and media constantly demonize us

i blame the govournments poor press coverage of teenagers.
the real lesson for kids is you dont need psi to acheive amazing things in life
hurts kids self esteems when the press and media constantly demonize us

u(yes i used u. im on a psp so bite me!) know i was also skeptic of psi when i first heard of it, but i looked for a truth in it so tried it myself and learned that with even with skills in it even urself cant see the psi yet u can feel it as intense tingling or heat. besides my first point, u skeptics should look for a simple truth in things instead of spitting on it and calling it b.s. second point, the only reason we cant show u evidence of psi is because u cant see it.( aww dont be disappointed neither

can we) sry ran outta room on last reply. the only way to get urself evidence is to try it urself.(good luck) also thanx to wat Vanquish said about believing a lil cuz he has a relative who experienced sumthin(did i get that rite big V?) if u know sum1 who u think has credibility and they told u they did this u may believe a lil bit easier. thanx for listening to my excuses i was in abad mood when i posted this topic. and remember look for the truth instead of scoffing at wat u think is crap. cya!

Ehm, I have tried psi wheel before, and balls, always nothing because my mind is very logical, so when I try it, nothing happens, no feeling, no heat.
And I do not spit on any idea, I try to look into it.

I have some experiments for you people with these "abilities".

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Tape an infrared video with you trying to make a psi wheel/ball.

Do it in water.

Look at all the logical possibilities that could be a reason why this is happening.

Show it in some sort of manipulation.

Try to teach it to some one and repeat the first four tests.
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dest, this is to ur last reply. i see that ur one of the nicer, more logical, experimental skeptics and im sry if i offended u. a good way to manip. psi is to not think at all except for wat ur trying to do (u were doubting ur abilities) plus it takes awhile to get into it. also i have taught a close friend and have performed a how to speech at school. i will try one of ur tests though. (aint got an infrared camera though cant do that test.) i can teach u properly at the site on my signature if u wood like

that was pretty clever of you.

actually I was in a very abusive relationship. got tossed around, beat up...all that crap. what I believe in is the same as what I believed in then, if not stronger....indeed, ((much)) stronger. that was a bad example, and one obviously from somebody whose got some lesson to learn.....*sigh*

I am not trying to disprove you or telekinesis and I know how you feel, believe me I know how annoying it gets when people discredit you for who and what you are/think...I just, humbly, do not agree with you and I do agree that believing in something that even if it were true, would hold no practical purpose, is a step backwards. you believe differently, and that's great............but for someone to post a (excuse me for bein a lil mean) whiny post about why skeptics are the way they are is immature........i don't see any skeptics posting, trying to find people to be on their side to defend their beliefs and so on.

you just gotta accept that people will say what is on their mind , especially when it is something like telekinesis and such.

I must reiterate that I understand your plight...I do...i get looked at w/ turned necks and raised eyebrows all of the time.....just can't let it bother you.who cares what we think? you shouldn't care...why do you?

ask yourself that...why do you feel the need to defend? those who truly know the good in their beliefs, live those beliefs for an example to others....they don't try to force people to believe it, because it just doesn't work that way. the word 'evangelism' comes to mind..

i have to agree with your statement here...........also a lot of times teens get the idea (i know i did) that what they really want to do is preserved for someone else....someone else who is for whatever reason, in their mind, more deserving of a more fullfilling life. but in all honesty, no matter how unconventional your dream career or life is...you can do it...you just have to do it. it's that simple and that hard at the same time.

i create/sell dolls and write fiction......how's that for conventional?

the media(and other reasons too) are destroying aspects of the adventorous youth that strives to achieve and yearns to have deeper, true knowledge of themself &life in general.......they want it all at once, or nothing......but you gotta keep learning, you gotta keep on striving and working hard if you want to really get somewhere with yourself. you'll put a dent in your life if you just sit around waiting for it to fall in your lap.

ok...I'll end my little ranting tangent now.

ok, I am going to open myself up to a lot of ridicule here. I am a practicing witch(no, please, not wicca...ugh)......ok yah that sounds wierd,I don't mean the kind with lots of gods/etc, I have no true 'god' or 'goddess' we just are...and in that sense, in my mind, everything is this "god" but not anywhere near the same as what one might consider a "god" or deity to be....how everything works together and how ((everything)) is intermingled and dependant on one another for survival and how the world keeps on truckin...that is "god" ...but i can't stand the word god, honestly and the connotations that come along with the word just doesn't mesh well with what i know.

and moving along now.

I know this tingling sensation of energy that you talk of......that is normal. do you meditate? this energy is inside of us and, i belive, can only be directed within ourselves. i think telekinesis is silly...i've already said that..........but you can improve many areas of your life through the directing of this energy inside of you.......not by trying to move stuff with it....stillnoone has given me to purpose of telekinesis other than to move stuff around....i just don't see the point..

oops!

There is plenty of evidence of paranormal ability and it is actually quite strange there are those who still claim there is not.....

Any thoughts??

you know.......even though, i dunno...i do not believ that telekinesis is possible (or useful if it were) there are some things that , for myself, are often perceived by others as being something that is unable to be proven. even though as of now, I do not believe that telekinesis is possible.....i'm open for it to one day be a part of my repertoire of things i know to be true(i don't see that as very likely as of now though).....but only after I have either 1) seen it scientifically proven (i'm not usually one to be all about science, but on this i am) or 2) have some sort of personal experience.

i think that is what most of us are trying to say....that right now...no, it is not true....in order for something to be true, by definition, it is a fact....and something that is not proven by some physical, concrete testing of some sort, can not be honestly stated as fact.

but seriously, I REALLY keep on asking this....what are the practical uses for being able to move small objects around? I'm not very well educated in telekinesis and so far I haven't seen any real purpose.....does it have to be paper, metal...anything...that can be moved?

in that case, it would be useful to lift a car that is sinking into water, but i just don't see that happening.

i'm not being sarcastic...maybe a little...but I would like some intelligent response/feedback as to what the practical uses for telekinesis are........or is it merely for self-benefit...or to say that you can do it? ...i'm confused..

in all honesty skeptics aren't just naysayers, we just don't like to think that what we are beliving in, or saying that we know, can indeed be proven otherwise...what is so wrong with that? in the end we believe more strongly in stuff that we know can be said to be true..b/c it is true and we can stand strong with that knowledge...obviously the same skeptics have interests in some odd type of happenings or why would they waste their time in any of the forums of this message board?

on past i also try to learn telekinesis
but whats the point of having this abilities anyway?
i begin to doubt psionics eversince
psi wheels is not paranormal its normal for anyone to do it
the tingling senstation, i think you just feel your nerves

"Having an abusive husband who tells you that you are a hore a slapper and that your worthless will take it's toll no matter how strong your beliefs are."
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"Sure it will. No one would argue that.

Is psi going to stop the abuse? Is prayer going to stop the abuse? Is a god going to come down and take the wife away to a land of paradise?

This wife needs to act not rely on faith or belief. KNOW she can act and do so. Do whatever is necessary to get out of the situation.

Action not faith"
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now my post:

i responded to the same thing, but in a different way. I interpreted what he was saying as attributing the 'abusive husband' as the skeptic' and the 'wife' as the person who is "under attack" by the abuser.

but in the sense I interpreted his statement........it just doesn't make any sense that someone who holds such strong beliefs (the wife/psi kid) would stop believing in those things just because someone (the abusive husband/skeptic) is battering them with their disbelief/want for proof.

when I was in the abusive relationship that I was in, if I had just given in to fear (abusive husbands' punches/the skeptics' disbelief) then I would have not left...I would have never learned anything or grown as a person, either b/c I'd be dead or living a life unfulfilled (both equally devastating)

i might not be putting the metaphors in the right places...but anyone who's any kind of 'smart' can probably see the picture I am trying to paint.

so with that said, if the abusive husband/skeptic never opposed/questioned you....you might just never learn or expand.

so I guess I gotta say, which I have already said a whole bunch...is just don't let us bug you so much. if you want to believe in what you believe in, stand still, don't let our disbelief make your stance waver.......but if you want to honestly, learn and grow.....accpet that there will ALWAYS be those that oppose you.....even if they seem harsh, you can still learn a lot from them.

ok so....... abuse the husband?