The evidence for government involvement in 911 is overwhelming, so much so that a large percentage of the American people are waking up. But what many do not realize is that the bombing of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City (and the first WTC bombing as well) was also a conspiracy by our own government; Bush, Clinton, and both parties are involved in the mass murder of Americans. Oklahoma City provided support for Clinton's "Anti Terrorism" Bill, and 911 was the pretext for the "Patriot Act." The government's own insider, Carol Howe, infiltrated the Elohim City Nazi compound and warned that McVay was a member and they planned to bomb the Murrah Building; she was ignored. Even FBI agents and a Pentagon intelligence team tried to warn the government that Muslim terrorists were planning an attack in 2001 using aircraft; they were ignored. Seismic and other evidence shows multiple explosions in each case, from bombs planted inside the buildings. Fire cannot collapse steel framed buildings, and explosives experts testified that the truck bomb was too far from the Murrah Building to do as much damage as the building suffered. In each case the government destroyed what remained of the buildings and shipped the steel out of the country before anyone could check for thermite or explosive residue. Electing another Clinton will not stop the carnage; the entire elite must be removed. William B Stoecker

some say oklahoma was meant to be blamed on saddam...tim mcviegh was so stupid, he got caught before they could make the saddam connection...

Treading on some thin ice, there, bro. Be careful. The worms will come out of the woodwork.

"Some say" = Unlimited made it up?

do some research on it.. actually i heard a guy on coast to coast am interviewed about it...

Very credible.

I'm sure the US had plenty of inteligence to back up a potential Clinton era invasion of Iraq, and if they didn't they'd have a bucket full of lies. It appears that in your worldview there's no such thing as a crazy person who randomly killed a whole lot of people for reasons which only make sense to them.

do you know what tim mcveigh and terry nichols did for jobs prior to the bombing?....

you say what you want about bush but leave clinton out of it. you want your world leaders with a little bit of scandal in them...keeps em honest. Clinton's was the lewensky thing not some destroy america thing.

Say, What???
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/340280.stm
Of course! Clinton is completely innocent of underhanded doings. What a crock!!

McVeigh was a soldier, he insists that he acted alone and one of the reasons he did it was because he was disgusted at how the US acted in the Gulf War. Does that sound like a government pawn to you?

From the evidence I have seen, OKC is highly suspect as being an inside job. I think people should do some research on it before they shoot the idea down.

They caught the guy, he admitted to it and why he did it and you still say it was an inside job. Jesus, you people can come up with some crap. I supposed the VT shooter and the mall shooter were inside jobs as well. Give me a break.

Go back to your video games and beer, everything is exactly as it appears the government never lies.

All I said was that people should do their own research on it before they shoot it down. Thanks for sharing your uninformed opinion anyways.

Yes, but it's also obvious with even a litte research that he definitely did not act alone and there was more than one bomb. That does sound like a government pawn, or at least a scapegoat.

Next time you want to show off your ignorance, do us all a favour - don't.

It's obvious that you haven't done any research at all.

Well said.

Video games and beer? Thats the best you could come up with. Just keep crying about how the government is out to get us all and everything is a cover up. Its doing wonders for ya.

sorry, next time I want to read what a bunch of paranoid freaks think about how our government is out to get us I will be sure to look into the subject your currently crying about so I can sound educated about it. I know making this stuff is really important to you and dont want to sound ignorant.

mcveigh and nichols were elite special forces soldiers...rumoured to be microchipped...not just regular soldiers..

quit your crying and move on to something that interests you...like watching roseanne

In other words, you're too dumb to do any kind of research, and prefer to fling insults instead.

Well, you proved my opinion of you to be correct then.





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Roseanne? wow, powerful stuff.

No but its at least twice as creative than your "paranoid freaks" and your superhuman championing of the status quo. I hear by dub you "Common Knowledge Man" and grant you the mental powers of a 1,000 Bill Oreilly fans (you will have to provide your own spandex though ). With great power comes great responsibility, use your talking points intelect wisely.

ok, I know these forums are all you have so I will gracefully bow out and let you try to sound like your educated on stuff you make up from other peoples tragedies. Have fun and dont hurt yourself trying to think of smart sounding stuff to say.

Thats the problem. Rather than discussing the topic and offering your opinion about "it" you chose to attack those who you disagree with by call them ridiculous and paranoid crap merchants.

So yet again the CTist show that there's no room in their world view for crazy people who kill other people for reasons which make sense only to them.




There you go, making things up again. Rumoured to be microchipped eh?

I does sound crazy and maybe it is. However I have heard it "rumoured" that Mcviegh was chipped as well. I am not saying I necessarily factual and I don't think unlimited was claiming that either, just that it was "rumoured".

Once you understand the mind control projects the government has conducted and know what they were "factualy" up to 40 years ago, micochipping people isn't that much of a leap. I know it sounds crazy if you haven't looked into it but so is training soldiers to kill goats with their minds, which is a documented government program.

so you have proof the US govt doesnt microchip it's elite soldiers?....

No, and I would be willing to guess that they did. That wasn't what I was trying to say either. Its just that to most people "microchipping" people is just the stuff of movies. I am awear there is indeed a reality behind it.

Isn't it widely believed that another person was in the van with McVeigh when he pulled up? There were witnesses that said they had seen a second person. It's also been said there are video surveillance tapes that showed a second person either in the van, and/or exiting it from in front of the building. The government however seized all these tapes and refused to release them.

Hasn't Nichols also claimed within the last year or so that he and McVeigh did not act alone?

Also, what about the early reports of multiple bombs being found inside the building? Weren't there others who received calls and were told something along the lines that they shouldn't go to work that day or be around the area? (I may be off on that one)

I don't doubt that one or two people could go about this act and pull it off, but it certainly seems like all the facts about this incedent are unknown and/or hidden.

When Oklahoma happened, I immediately called a friend of mine who is a blaster. His qualifications are that he was in explosives prior to service, then in the Special Forces he was a blaster in SOG, whose job was to blow up whatever needed blowing up. This guy could punch a six inch hole in a T34 using a wine bottle and some stuff from your local grocery store. Since his experience is far greater than mine, I had to consult with him.

The question was could a ton or two of low brisance explosive do such a job on a building, assuming the explosive was in a van truck parked in front of the building. His reply was "if you're referring to Oklahoma City, there is no possible way that truck did that kind of damage." Further discussion yielded confirmation of the fact that there was no containment, so the propagation was hemispherical, ground being one shield. The wave propagation decreases with the square of the distance, and the pressure front more quickly than the wave. So, such an explosion would be far more intense closer to the truck, yet the so-called single explosion removed part of the building almost such that it was cut with a very large cleaver, while greater damage should have appeared closer to the truck. No one has satisfactorily explained this physical anomaly.

Movies are one thing; reality is entirely different. You don't just blow up a building with a truckload of fertilizer, because even a low brisance explosion is non-selective. Lack of containment also means no control over where the explosion is directed, and so it will travel, like electricity, in the path of least resistance. Think of it this way: a moving pressure front encounters a wall. This builds a higher pressure and causes a reversal of direction, suggesting that the following pressure wall is redirected away from the wall. In other words, the explosion is focused outwards, away from the building, except for the first shock wave and pressure front. In reflection of those, the overall effect is lessened. This is one reason for containment of the explosive. It is also the reason dual explosives and redirection are used. Relatively speaking, fertilizer is a weak explosive, generally used for earth moving. It is cheap, and being a two part, it's quite safe until mixed. It also has a wide brisance range: if not contained, it's very low, but if properly caked and contained, becomes a medium brisance explosive. Uncontained, it's best use is for loosening packed earth.

Further, the early witness reports stated multiple explosions. Those have yet to be explained. Enough of those reports were aired to cause me, or anyone with common sense, to doubt that it was just a single truck loaded with fertilizer, and done by pure amateurs.

Yes, John Doe #2, an Iraqi who may have been linked to the first WTC bombing (which was also under FBI direction). (video below)



Yes, Nichols claims McVeigh was instructed by his FBI handler Larry Potts.





http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/1,1249,660197443,00.html



http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/okc_bo...el_fbi_help.htm



http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=...videoid=5442076

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWwrEEP8EBk



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O74Z15O58k0

Also, McVeigh was proved to still be in the millitary at least a year after its claimed he was discharged.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/us/okc_bo...icial_story.htm

Also there was ..more than one bomb in the Murrah Building, by the way