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norwood1026
I would have to say no & the reason is simply because some sins are to be dealt out hasher punishment than others.


Why would certain sins require death (Exo 22:18; Exo 19:12; Num 15:36; Exo 21:17) while others merely get told that the sinner and up to ten generations after merely cannot enter into the congregation (Deu 23:2; Exo 12:19)?

What of those who were to be burnt (Gen 38:24; Lev 20:14; Lev 21:9; Jer 29:22; Eze 23:25; Dan 3:19-23)

Or those who were "put under the saw", or made to walk through fire( 2Sa 12:31)

Or those who were striped ( Deu 25:3 )

Scourged with thorns (Jdg_8:16.)

mutilated (Jdg 1:6; 2Ma 7:4; 2Sa 4:12)

imprisoned, exiled or had things confiscated (Ezr 7:26; Jer 37:15; Jer 38:6; Act 4:3; Act 5:18; Act 12:4; 1Ki 2:26; 1Ki 2:36-38)

Due compensation was yet another punishment for sin ( Exo 21:18-36; Lev 24:18-21; Deu 19:21)

Stoning was rather popular (Lev 20:2; Lev 20:27; Lev 24:14; Num 14:10; Num 15:33-36; Deu 13:10; Deu 17:5; Deu 22:21; Deu 22:24; Jos 7:25; 1Ki 21:10; Eze 16:40)

Crucificion (Mat 27:35; Mat 27:38; Mar 15:24; Mar 15:27; Luk 23:33)

Beheadings (Mat 14:10; Mar 6:16; Mar 6:27; Mar 6:28)

Scourging (Lev 19:20; Deu 22:18; Deu 25:2; Deu 25:3; Pro 17:10; Pro 19:29; Pro 20:30; Mat 27:26; Mar 15:15; Luk 23:16; Joh 19:1; Act 22:24; Act 22:29)

Even hanging is mentioned (Num 25:4; 2Sa 21:6; 2Sa 21:9; Gen 40:22; Deu 21:22; Deu 21:23; Jos 8:29).



If all sin is equal why all the differing punishments?
If all sin was equal then there would only need to be one punishment
The Red Pill
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ Dec 23 2007, 06:05 PM) *
I would have to say no & the reason is simply because some sins are to be dealt out hasher punishment than others.


Why would certain sins require death (Exo 22:18; Exo 19:12; Num 15:36; Exo 21:17) while others merely get told that the sinner and up to ten generations after merely cannot enter into the congregation (Deu 23:2; Exo 12:19)?

What of those who were to be burnt (Gen 38:24; Lev 20:14; Lev 21:9; Jer 29:22; Eze 23:25; Dan 3:19-23)

Or those who were "put under the saw", or made to walk through fire( 2Sa 12:31)

Or those who were striped ( Deu 25:3 )

Scourged with thorns (Jdg_8:16.)

mutilated (Jdg 1:6; 2Ma 7:4; 2Sa 4:12)

imprisoned, exiled or had things confiscated (Ezr 7:26; Jer 37:15; Jer 38:6; Act 4:3; Act 5:18; Act 12:4; 1Ki 2:26; 1Ki 2:36-38)

Due compensation was yet another punishment for sin ( Exo 21:18-36; Lev 24:18-21; Deu 19:21)

Stoning was rather popular (Lev 20:2; Lev 20:27; Lev 24:14; Num 14:10; Num 15:33-36; Deu 13:10; Deu 17:5; Deu 22:21; Deu 22:24; Jos 7:25; 1Ki 21:10; Eze 16:40)

Crucificion (Mat 27:35; Mat 27:38; Mar 15:24; Mar 15:27; Luk 23:33)

Beheadings (Mat 14:10; Mar 6:16; Mar 6:27; Mar 6:28)

Scourging (Lev 19:20; Deu 22:18; Deu 25:2; Deu 25:3; Pro 17:10; Pro 19:29; Pro 20:30; Mat 27:26; Mar 15:15; Luk 23:16; Joh 19:1; Act 22:24; Act 22:29)

Even hanging is mentioned (Num 25:4; 2Sa 21:6; 2Sa 21:9; Gen 40:22; Deu 21:22; Deu 21:23; Jos 8:29).



If all sin is equal why all the differing punishments?
If all sin was equal then there would only need to be one punishment



I am glad that some sins are harsher punished than others. I mean, can you imagine hitler getting a "slap on the wrist" after being face to face with god? If someone killed your entire family and left you alive to suffer, would you want to take vengance? i mean out of my opinion, some punishments are not harsh enough.

for example. i HATE rapists beyond human understanding. Emotionally and mentally scaring a poor innocent person for a lifetime (hoping i spelled scaring correctly). i think they should get a death sentence as soon as they get caught by the police. I'll tell you this much, if i ever got a hold of a rapist, and i had a weapon on me, it would be a very rare event to see someone like me be so violent twords another person.

I am ranting again, im sorry. Anyway, yes different sins have different punishments. and i am thankful for that, because if it wasn't, then what would happen to serial killers? we need a different punishment depending on the degree of the sin.



oh and BTW FIRST POST YAY!
norwood1026
QUOTE (The Red Pill @ Dec 23 2007, 06:19 PM) *
I am glad that some sins are harsher punished than others. I mean, can you imagine hitler getting a "slap on the wrist" after being face to face with god? If someone killed your entire family and left you alive to suffer, would you want to take vengance? i mean out of my opinion, some punishments are not harsh enough.

for example. i HATE rapists beyond human understanding. Emotionally and mentally scaring a poor innocent person for a lifetime (hoping i spelled scaring correctly). i think they should get a death sentence as soon as they get caught by the police. I'll tell you this much, if i ever got a hold of a rapist, and i had a weapon on me, it would be a very rare event to see someone like me be so violent twords another person.

I am ranting again, im sorry. Anyway, yes different sins have different punishments. and i am thankful for that, because if it wasn't, then what would happen to serial killers? we need a different punishment depending on the degree of the sin.



oh and BTW FIRST POST YAY!



But the downside is that no matter what sin your talking about you still go to the same hell.
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ Dec 23 2007, 08:07 PM) *
But the downside is that no matter what sin your talking about you still go to the same hell.



Hell ya...... tongue.gif
Lt_Ripley
God doesn't see sin at all. that's mans ideals.
DieChecker
QUOTE (The Red Pill @ Dec 23 2007, 10:19 AM) *
I am glad that some sins are harsher punished than others. I mean, can you imagine hitler getting a "slap on the wrist" after being face to face with god? If someone killed your entire family and left you alive to suffer, would you want to take vengance? i mean out of my opinion, some punishments are not harsh enough.

for example. i HATE rapists beyond human understanding. Emotionally and mentally scaring a poor innocent person for a lifetime (hoping i spelled scaring correctly). i think they should get a death sentence as soon as they get caught by the police. I'll tell you this much, if i ever got a hold of a rapist, and i had a weapon on me, it would be a very rare event to see someone like me be so violent twords another person.

I am ranting again, im sorry. Anyway, yes different sins have different punishments. and i am thankful for that, because if it wasn't, then what would happen to serial killers? we need a different punishment depending on the degree of the sin.

How can you be ranting again if this is your first post?? grin2.gif

I think the concepts of Sin and of Breaking the Law of man are being entertwined in the the above statement. You can break the secular Law and not commit a sin, and commiting a Sin may not break the secular Law. Come judgement all sins will be weighed the same. However I believe there are some sins that one can never repent of. Such as you suggest... rape.
Lt_Ripley
QUOTE (The Red Pill @ Dec 23 2007, 01:19 PM) *
I am glad that some sins are harsher punished than others. I mean, can you imagine hitler getting a "slap on the wrist" after being face to face with god? If someone killed your entire family and left you alive to suffer, would you want to take vengance? i mean out of my opinion, some punishments are not harsh enough.

for example. i HATE rapists beyond human understanding. Emotionally and mentally scaring a poor innocent person for a lifetime (hoping i spelled scaring correctly). i think they should get a death sentence as soon as they get caught by the police. I'll tell you this much, if i ever got a hold of a rapist, and i had a weapon on me, it would be a very rare event to see someone like me be so violent twords another person.

I am ranting again, im sorry. Anyway, yes different sins have different punishments. and i am thankful for that, because if it wasn't, then what would happen to serial killers? we need a different punishment depending on the degree of the sin.



oh and BTW FIRST POST YAY!


heck Hitler is in heaven having tea with God and mother Teresa. all serves Gods purpose

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV)

or isn't the bible enough proof for ya ?
JMPD1
QUOTE (DieChecker @ Dec 23 2007, 05:16 PM) *
I think the concepts of Sin and of Breaking the Law of man are being entertwined in the the above statement. You can break the secular Law and not commit a sin, and commiting a Sin may not break the secular Law. Come judgement all sins will be weighed the same. However I believe there are some sins that one can never repent of. Such as you suggest... rape.



I agree. Not all crimes are "sins" and not all "sins" are crimes. However, I'm quite positive that there are believers out there who would like to see all sins as crimes, punishable by law
sad.gif


Oh, and someone remind me: does the bible consider rape a sin?
AtlantisRises
QUOTE (JMPD1 @ Dec 24 2007, 10:47 AM) *
Oh, and someone remind me: does the bible consider rape a sin?



I think it depends on who you are and who you rape.

There are also parts that consider being raped the equivalent of adultery/premarital sex which I find quite ludicrous and insulting.

I've always had a problem with the idea that god sees sins as the same. Therefore the fact that I live with my girlfriend is as bad as the crimes John Gacy or Ted Bundy commited? Thats ridiculous.

sciencefreak08
why dont you just ask him duhhhhh
Mr Walker
A sin, by definition, is breaking the law of god, or going against the clearly expressed will of god. Sin originated with the first disobedience of adam and eve, but is perpetuated by individual actions. All disobedience is effectively the same, but on the other hand, people who break god's laws in ignorance, such as children' or those who have never heard of god, are not judged by god to have sinned.

All sin gets the same basic punishment, death, but it does seem that god also metes out extra punishment, both in this life and the next, depending, not so much on the nature of the disobedience, but on how much harm it does, actually and potentially, to other human beings.

The problem for humans is actually identifying how much harm our actions may have. The rape of one person is terrible enough, but if "living" with someone before marriage helps in anyway to break down the special role of marriage in society then in god's eyes this behaviour may harm far more people and harm them quite seriously.

(Marriage was set up, as an institution, to protect dependent women and children. While our modern societies often adopt a more communal responsibility in this area, marriage, as originally instituted, remains a hugely protective device against many of humanity's weaknesses)

Thus it might rank as just as serious a sin as rape, or even more so. Likewise with sins like not honouring your father and mother.

Lust, greed and envy, are all emotional precursors to a crime like rape. Should they not also be looked at quite severely, especially if they are acted upon, rather than just conrtemplated.

All the commandments directed at treatment of people are designed to minimise harm to people. So are most of god's other rules/laws. The golden rule illustrates the prime importance of not doing harm to others (who after all are god's creation, and children, just as much as ourselves.)
Mademoiselle
QUOTE (Lt_Ripley @ Dec 23 2007, 11:26 PM) *
God doesn't see sin at all. that's mans ideals.


Wise words .
norwood1026
QUOTE (Sama @ Dec 25 2007, 08:13 AM) *
Wise words .



How can he not see what he created?
Turtle
There is no such thing as SIN, nor is there judgement.
These are all human concepts rooted in fear.
Your life is to experience...the judgement will be your own.
Disengage from the victim mentality.
Lt_Ripley
QUOTE (Turtle @ Dec 25 2007, 08:51 AM) *
There is no such thing as SIN, nor is there judgement.
These are all human concepts rooted in fear.
Your life is to experience...the judgement will be your own.
Disengage from the victim mentality.


very well said .

but probably not understood by some ( as someone wise said to me . maybe they aren't ment to )

but a glimpse is an awakining.
Ozi
There are many levels of sin and many levels of goodness. As a muslim, we believe that any sin is forgivable by allah, if one truly repents from the heart. The only sin that Allah will not forgive and if you die in the state, where you havebeen commiting this sin, then you will never get forgiveness for it. Thats sin is Shirk, Associating others will Allah, worshipping more than one god or associating partners with him.
Omnaka
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ Dec 23 2007, 06:05 PM) *
I would have to say no & the reason is simply because some sins are to be dealt out hasher punishment than others.


Why would certain sins require death (Exo 22:18; Exo 19:12; Num 15:36; Exo 21:17) while others merely get told that the sinner and up to ten generations after merely cannot enter into the congregation (Deu 23:2; Exo 12:19)?

What of those who were to be burnt (Gen 38:24; Lev 20:14; Lev 21:9; Jer 29:22; Eze 23:25; Dan 3:19-23)

Or those who were "put under the saw", or made to walk through fire( 2Sa 12:31)

Or those who were striped ( Deu 25:3 )

Scourged with thorns (Jdg_8:16.)

mutilated (Jdg 1:6; 2Ma 7:4; 2Sa 4:12)

imprisoned, exiled or had things confiscated (Ezr 7:26; Jer 37:15; Jer 38:6; Act 4:3; Act 5:18; Act 12:4; 1Ki 2:26; 1Ki 2:36-38)

Due compensation was yet another punishment for sin ( Exo 21:18-36; Lev 24:18-21; Deu 19:21)

Stoning was rather popular (Lev 20:2; Lev 20:27; Lev 24:14; Num 14:10; Num 15:33-36; Deu 13:10; Deu 17:5; Deu 22:21; Deu 22:24; Jos 7:25; 1Ki 21:10; Eze 16:40)

Crucificion (Mat 27:35; Mat 27:38; Mar 15:24; Mar 15:27; Luk 23:33)

Beheadings (Mat 14:10; Mar 6:16; Mar 6:27; Mar 6:28)

Scourging (Lev 19:20; Deu 22:18; Deu 25:2; Deu 25:3; Pro 17:10; Pro 19:29; Pro 20:30; Mat 27:26; Mar 15:15; Luk 23:16; Joh 19:1; Act 22:24; Act 22:29)

Even hanging is mentioned (Num 25:4; 2Sa 21:6; 2Sa 21:9; Gen 40:22; Deu 21:22; Deu 21:23; Jos 8:29).



If all sin is equal why all the differing punishments?
If all sin was equal then there would only need to be one punishment


God did not do all these things, Man did , using God's name, now thats a Sin in my eyes.

Each spirit will judge his own heart after this life . Talk about Hard thing to do. we spend our lives not looking or trying not to look at what we do justifying all. in spirit one cannot help but look, this can be very disconcerting for some.

Love Omnaka
Apostle
QUOTE (Lt_Ripley @ Dec 23 2007, 03:26 PM) *
God doesn't see sin at all. that's mans ideals.

I don't understand what you're saying, could you please explicate, thanks
~Apostle
Omnaka
QUOTE (Apostle @ Dec 27 2007, 02:51 AM) *
I don't understand what you're saying, could you please explicate, thanks
~Apostle

Father , (God) loves all God's creations, Even if Man does not.

God'sunlimited unconditional love cannot and is not dictated by books which Man wrote, even if it was inspired by God's love.

Just because Man hates , does not relagate God to hating, for this is not God's will or purpose.
Think God creates so God can Hate?

This is mans Ideal, Not God's.
God's Ideal is to teach Love and Hope you learn it.
But one must know Bad or he would never have good to base it on.
It's all in the plan, No worries.

Love Omnaka
randomhit10
QUOTE (The Red Pill @ Dec 23 2007, 06:19 PM) *
I am glad that some sins are harsher punished than others. I mean, can you imagine hitler getting a "slap on the wrist" after being face to face with god? If someone killed your entire family and left you alive to suffer, would you want to take vengance? i mean out of my opinion, some punishments are not harsh enough.

for example. i HATE rapists beyond human understanding. Emotionally and mentally scaring a poor innocent person for a lifetime (hoping i spelled scaring correctly). i think they should get a death sentence as soon as they get caught by the police. I'll tell you this much, if i ever got a hold of a rapist, and i had a weapon on me, it would be a very rare event to see someone like me be so violent twords another person.

I am ranting again, im sorry. Anyway, yes different sins have different punishments. and i am thankful for that, because if it wasn't, then what would happen to serial killers? we need a different punishment depending on the degree of the sin.



oh and BTW FIRST POST YAY!


good answer...

randomhit10
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