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tgan3
http://www.mind-energy.net/archives/22-A-b...r-6-months.html

Last i heard, he just vanished to nowwhere( some say he was taken by the gods )....
Elfy99803
Just one of many things you can't explain, weird probably getting blessed or something.
~Cheese~
It's impossible but he did somehow?
Neith
He disinergrated.
aquatus1
It's not all that impossible. If all he was doing was sitting there and meditating, his water needs would drop dramatically. The average person can only go two days before collapsing due to dehydration, three before they are past the point of no return, but then the average person walks, talks, and lives far more dynamically than a meditating Buddhist.

Frankly, I think the kid is dead and buried in accordance to Buddhist customs. Or dying, and buried in the Buddhist customs.
Mademoiselle
QUOTE (Elfy99803 @ Dec 24 2007, 04:46 PM) *
Just one of many things you can't explain, weird probably getting blessed or something.





I totally agree with you . thumbsup.gif Why can't some people believe in blessings and miracles ??
Mademoiselle
QUOTE (clover @ Dec 24 2007, 05:01 PM) *
He disinergrated.



??????????? rofl.gif
mind
Yes, the story is interesting, since the boy disappeared and reappeared after some time. Made some speeches and disappeared again. Seems like one of these stories where we won't know the truth for a long time, if ever.
eight bits
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Why can't some people believe in blessings and miracles ??

This really is a difficult case, Sama.

There is a lot of backstory. Nepalese politics is byzantine, with Communist insurgents, devout Buddhists aplenty, nationalist military... all playing out in one lousy location for a small country, twixt India and China, where the experience of Tibet casts a very long shadow.

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east...nepal_pol90.jpg

The boy is an established pawn in all of that. More to the point, there are reports of this lad being caught cheating. Yes, yes, there always are.

I wouldn't bet the farm on this one.
Reptilian
There's no proof that he actually did it.

If he was watched the entire time 24/7 and was definitely proven to have survived that long without water then you would have something.

You got nothing.
Bone_Collector
It is true; there was even a 1 hour National Geographic episode on it. The boy practices intense yoga techniques known to very few people. While he does not eat or drink, he still receives his energy through the sun. There have also been a few people who have been doing it India and they have even been comprehensively tested by scientists. It is definitely not fraud.
chris57
there are many explainations for this, either he drank water every few days from what he could find, it was a lie or a legend meant to create hope, or this boy died and a boy that looked just like him showed up in his place.the human body needs water every few days or it will die from dehydration, the body can survive possible for weeks-months with out food depending on your pervious health and amount of body fat, but if he lived alone for 6 months HE HAD TO GET SOME WATER. And as for that oh he could survive off the suns energy, if that were possible the amount of time need to stay in the sun would actually dehydrate you more it would harm you more then good, if you are alone with out food andwater the place you could survive the longest would be a dark, cool, semi-damn room with high humidity and you would have to sleep most of the time as well. but even with this you wouldn't buy yourself much time you would only prolong the suffering. This story is not true thats obviousy, well another clue that makes it less plauseable is the source of the document It looks like it is some how linked to psipog. This website is notorious for outragious claims. Don't get me wrong i believe in psychics and the power of the mind, but a website that says any 12 year old with a tiny bit of practice could create a ball of fire with their hand, create entire storms with a thought and move massively large objects with a merely thought and a tiny bit of effort is too much for me.
capeo
This was blown open a long time ago. What most articles don't mention is that every night his "handlers" put up a cloth barrier around him from 5PM to 5AM shielding them from all prying eyes. When scientists said they would observe him he disappeared. It should also be noted his managers have collected over 600,000 rupees in donations which has since been frozen since the government thinks it being funneled to Maoist rebels.

He's an accomplished meditator but it also seems he or his managers are accomplished hoaxsters which is not uncommon in Nepal and India where "Holy Men" often prey on devoutness of poor villagers.
Fluffybunny
QUOTE (capeo @ Dec 27 2007, 12:17 PM) *
This was blown open a long time ago. What most articles don't mention is that every night his "handlers" put up a cloth barrier around him from 5PM to 5AM shielding them from all prying eyes. When scientists said they would observe him he disappeared. It should also be noted his managers have collected over 600,000 rupees in donations which has since been frozen since the government thinks it being funneled to Maoist rebels.

He's an accomplished meditator but it also seems he or his managers are accomplished hoaxsters which is not uncommon in Nepal and India where "Holy Men" often prey on devoutness of poor villagers.

Exactly, the whole thing was a hoax...the human body cannot go that long without water or food, bottom line the kid would have died. He was not observed the whole time, so there is no way to know what was going on behind the curtain each and every evening.

The kid could have been living off of Slurpees and corndogs and no one would have any idea. There was money to be made, and when the heat was on and he started to get looked at very closely he magicaly dissapeared. Literally. Mighty convenient.
missbeliever
As skinny as some of the girls I see in the mall,you would think they have gone their whole lives without food and water.Their bodies look like normal women,only everything is 75% thinner.Their bones I guess are extremely tiny. It could be that there are humans being born with genetics that allow their bodys to survive on not much more than oxygen.
Rolci
lol I just cant believe ppl simply dont believe this story because all they know is science the way it is today. so what does science say about those thousands who walk on fire all accross the globe every year, including westerners? So people being able to slow their heartbeat to 2 beats/min or have themselves buried alive or just meditating under water for days is accepted just because it's not denialbe any more, but someone gaining energy from our ultimate energy source is just impossible? :D If it was up to you guys, our "science" would never develop in a way that'd allow us to truly understand who we are and why we are here. But I guess some ppl are just fine not knowing sh**, thinking that something will create itself out of nothing and that is acceptable because others say so. The answers are out there, anyone can acquire them, some ppl will just sit and wait for science to change(/progress?) and just die in the meantime, while we still dunno anything. When our scientists came up with the quantum theories at the beginning of the 20th century, most scientists thought they'd lost it. Patricles that behave like wawes? Come on... Acupuncture? Sticking needles in your skin? Used to be a ridiculous concept, widely known and used nowadays. Astral projection? Some dont believe but give it a try and find out that they can actually do it, others wont ever try saying its impossible. :D Their loss... Disbelief? How can it be ANY good? How about investigating, rather than waiting for others to do so and then believe what you would've believed anyway regardless of what the others have found. How about trying stuff yourselves, "on you own skin", and then share the results with others? There are lots of people sharing their lucid dreams, no doubt about such an ability of the mind, and I have met ppl who hadn't heard of it, and when a told them what it was, guess what - they said it's impossible! :D And I know the guys - typical brainwashed closed-minded westerners who will sit home and watch telly whenever they can. Sure, they know it all aright... I think these ppl should get out more, do stuff, read, and get a REAL life. Man, wake up! All is not that it seems...
Papaver
QUOTE (capeo @ Dec 27 2007, 08:17 PM) *
What most articles don't mention is that every night his "handlers" put up a cloth barrier around him from 5PM to 5AM shielding them from all prying eyes.


I think that we can assume he gets a glass of water or two between the hours of 1700 and 0500 then...

Hasn't drunk liquids for six months my ****!

Papaver
QUOTE (Rolci @ Dec 28 2007, 06:22 PM) *
lol I just cant believe ppl simply dont believe this story because all they know is science the way it is today. so what does science say about those thousands who walk on fire all accross the globe every year, including westerners?



Science is a method not a set of knowledge.

On the firewalking thing it is easily explained and completely understood and has nothing supernatural about it whatsoever. Here is an interesting article on "HowStuffWorks.com" - a good place to start with things before invoking supernatural causes ;-)

http://people.howstuffworks.com/firewalking.htm
L815
I don't think it's authentic. These types of things are easily cheatable unless you are watched 24/7
capeo
QUOTE (Rolci @ Dec 28 2007, 01:22 PM) *
lol I just cant believe ppl simply dont believe this story because all they know is science the way it is today. so what does science say about those thousands who walk on fire all accross the globe every year, including westerners? So people being able to slow their heartbeat to 2 beats/min or have themselves buried alive or just meditating under water for days is accepted just because it's not denialbe any more, but someone gaining energy from our ultimate energy source is just impossible? grin2.gif If it was up to you guys, our "science" would never develop in a way that'd allow us to truly understand who we are and why we are here. But I guess some ppl are just fine not knowing sh**, thinking that something will create itself out of nothing and that is acceptable because others say so. The answers are out there, anyone can acquire them, some ppl will just sit and wait for science to change(/progress?) and just die in the meantime, while we still dunno anything. When our scientists came up with the quantum theories at the beginning of the 20th century, most scientists thought they'd lost it. Patricles that behave like wawes? Come on... Acupuncture? Sticking needles in your skin? Used to be a ridiculous concept, widely known and used nowadays. Astral projection? Some dont believe but give it a try and find out that they can actually do it, others wont ever try saying its impossible. grin2.gif Their loss... Disbelief? How can it be ANY good? How about investigating, rather than waiting for others to do so and then believe what you would've believed anyway regardless of what the others have found. How about trying stuff yourselves, "on you own skin", and then share the results with others? There are lots of people sharing their lucid dreams, no doubt about such an ability of the mind, and I have met ppl who hadn't heard of it, and when a told them what it was, guess what - they said it's impossible! grin2.gif And I know the guys - typical brainwashed closed-minded westerners who will sit home and watch telly whenever they can. Sure, they know it all aright... I think these ppl should get out more, do stuff, read, and get a REAL life. Man, wake up! All is not that it seems...


Lol. Being underwater for days, huh? Yeah, good luck with that.
Rolci
QUOTE (Papaver @ Dec 28 2007, 07:38 PM) *
Science is a method not a set of knowledge.

On the firewalking thing it is easily explained and completely understood and has nothing supernatural about it whatsoever. Here is an interesting article on "HowStuffWorks.com" - a good place to start with things before invoking supernatural causes ;-)

http://people.howstuffworks.com/firewalking.htm


Good article. First of all I must agree with what you are saying about science. As for the article, couple of problems: ppl walk not only on fire made from organic material e.g. wood but also on lava that had just solidified enough to hold a person, hot lava still flowing underneath. Good example would be the ceremonies in Hawaii. There is no water in the stuff evaporating, and molten rock is hardly a good insulator. Second, the passing through the fire is not always limited for a few seconds at a time. Third, as soon as the guy who is in a trance-state in the meantime comes out of the trance (before which they let everybody know and wait for them to come out), those who refuse to come out WILL suffer severe burns, which have resulted in limbs amputated. Where has the "science" gone? I'm not saying these are supernatural. All I'm saying's that in our present world where science will not even ADMIT the existence of many of these phenomena, let alone investigate them, the powers of the human mind remain unexplained, thus you can not call them scientific YET. Some will call them supernatural, you gotta call them something... I would probably call them just unexplained phenomena or something, it doesn't matter. I think all that matters is to keep an open mind to the world.

Capeo, as for meditating under water... What's the big deal? If they can learn to control their heartbeat-rate, what makes you think they can't or won't learn to control the rest? They will simply "shut down all bodily functions to the point that he is clinically dead". This is called hibernation, and even animals can do the trick. You don't have to be a believer to admit this.
There is a good online enlightenment magazine called What If? that you might find interesting. Here is an article from that site: http://www.wie.org/j24/baba.asp

good day
capeo
QUOTE (Rolci @ Dec 28 2007, 06:08 PM) *
Good article. First of all I must agree with what you are saying about science. As for the article, couple of problems: ppl walk not only on fire made from organic material e.g. wood but also on lava that had just solidified enough to hold a person, hot lava still flowing underneath. Good example would be the ceremonies in Hawaii. There is no water in the stuff evaporating, and molten rock is hardly a good insulator. Second, the passing through the fire is not always limited for a few seconds at a time. Third, as soon as the guy who is in a trance-state in the meantime comes out of the trance (before which they let everybody know and wait for them to come out), those who refuse to come out WILL suffer severe burns, which have resulted in limbs amputated. Where has the "science" gone? I'm not saying these are supernatural. All I'm saying that in our present world where science will not even ADMIT the existence of many of these phenomena, let alone investigate them, the powers of the human mind remain unexplained, thus you can not call them scientific YET. some will call them supernatural, you gotta call them something... I would probably call them just unexplained phenomena or something, it doesn't matter. I think all that matters is to keep an open mind to the world.

As for meditating under water... What's the big deal? If they can learn to control their heartbeat-rate, what makes anybody think they can't or won't learn to control the rest. They will simply shut down all bodily functions to the point that he is clinically dead. This is called hibernation, and even animals can do the trick. You don't have to be a believer to admit this.
There is a good online enlightenment magazine called What If? that you might find interesting. Here is an article from that site: http://www.wie.org/j24/baba.asp

good day


Tourists do everything native hawaiians do. There's no mystery to it. No amount of meditation or trance can stop flesh from burning. Can trances alleviate pain? Sure can and we know the neurological mechanism behind it. I've done many multi day zen meditation retreats for years now and have a big interest in the science of meditation. It's something that has been recieving good scientific study in recent years. While heart rates can be significantly lowered respiration always takes place. Being submerged would still quickly kill you.
crystal sage
What about Breatharians????


They have been around for quite a while...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inedia
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http://www.angelfire.com/stars3/breathe_li...tharianism.html

Signs of possibly unsuccessful breatharian initiation at present



Reaching a breatharian state means to undergo various physical and other changes, that initiate this new type of living. Glands will activate and strengthen, adapting the hormonal and chemical productions and endocrinal balances for breatharianism. The brain will reach a higher level of activation (it is estimated that average people have 9-11% of their brain active only, remainder being dormant!). Heart will lower its pulse and blood pressure, blood become thinner and change in composition. Liver activate and begin fluids and body fats production. Stomach and many parts of the digestive system de-activate slightly. And many more changes that occur in our physical body, but also changes in our emotional, mental and other.

Something obviously triggers these changes. And something definitely is needed to make this happen. It is not a matter of studying what make these changes, or how to acchieve them. It is in no ways an intellectual path, as it seems. We also see how so many people will start to starve, dehydrate, and become malnourished if they do not get foods. Even some who are attempting to reach a breatharian path, and thus have the right intentions, will not always be fully successful.

On this page, I will list some of the indicators that may be able to tell if a person has something still that is keeping them from reaching a breatharian initiation at this stage. I base the following on my personal experiences, where I have gone back and forth between full successful breatharianism and fought myself back to foods, and in this process been able to see what happens and what the results of several symptoms, thoughts, etc, will be. I have also spoken with several others on a breatharian path, read material on various perspectives on foods, eating and breatharianism. I have thus been able to form somewhat of an understanding where various signs are always or most often able to indicate that this person is going toward a non-successful breatharian initiation.




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http://www.breatharian.info/

BREATHARIANISM, INEDIA, NON-EATING (breatharian, inediate, non-eater)

This is a state of man (breatharian, inediate, non-eater) characterized (among other things) by the absence of eating, resulting from (or rather being a stage on the way to) expanding of the Consciousness sphere in which a person lives. In general an ideal (fully realized) inediate, breatharian, non-eater has no need to eat or drink to keep the body working perfectly. A breatharian consumes no food and no drink, he/she needs only air to nourish the body.

Many non-eaters (even if he/she call him/herself a breatharian) drink (some) water, tea, coffee or other beverages from time to time. Some of them, in order to satisfy the sense of taste, eat a piece of chocolate, a cookie, some cheese, horseradish or something else once in a while. The non-eating state of an inediate, breatharian, non-eater doesn't require any ascetic practices of the body. This is more about the freedom of choice and a lot of benefits.

A person who regularly drinks liquid food, e.g. fruit juices, can't be called an inediate, breatharian or non-eater. This is a diet called liquidarianism. Also, we don't call a person an inediate or breatharian when he/she is fasting or on a starvation diet. Also in these cases food is not (or almost not) consumed during some time, but such situation lasts only temporary and then food consumption is resumed or the person dies. An inediate or breatharian, never starves or dies for lack of food because his/her body needs not matter called food.

Permanent non-eating, inedia or breatharianism are states which usually appear as a side effect of expanding one's sphere of the Consciousness. However there are also many cases that this state happened unexpectedly and lasted for months or years.

A person who by force tries to refrain from eating can't be called an inediate or breatharian. Such action, if prolonged, is harmful to the body and can lead to death. Fasting and starvation diet are different subjects the inedia, breatharianism and non-eating.

Becoming an inediate or breatharian results (often as a side effect) on a way of expanding the sphere of the Consciousness which the person lives in. Inedia, breatharianism is more like a characteristic features of a life style and is not limited to just stopping all food intake. Because an inediate or breatharian sets him/herself free from the need to feed the body, he/she has the choice to eat or not to eat, but one thing is for sure, a real inediate or breatharian does not need to eat to keep the body working normally. more ...
Juan2k7nyc
we don't have photosynthetic cells that can harvest energy from the sun. we are just not plants....you don't see twigs and leaves coming out of our asses right ? so please live with it......ots totally fake......there was nobody watching this kid 24'7.....i can do the same i could tell a group of people that i was going to meditate for 3 months and just go on vacation and come back and tell them i survived 90 days without food or water which is just imposible.......... it would be believable if this event was being documented with proper scientific methods..........its so naive to believe that a kid went in the woods to meditate and came back three months later alive and alert like nothing ever happend.............for all you know he could have been in the MC.Donald's across the street eating a happy meal.....LOL
crystal sage
QUOTE (Juan2k7nyc @ Jan 1 2008, 08:21 AM)
we don't have photosynthetic cells that can harvest energy from the sun. we are just not plants....you don't see twigs and leaves coming out of our asses right ? so please live with it......ots totally fake......there was nobody watching this kid 24'7.....i can do the same i could tell a group of people that i was going to meditate for 3 months and just go on vacation and come back and tell them i survived 90 days without food or water which is just imposible.......... it would be believable if this event was being documented with proper scientific methods..........its so naive to believe that a kid went in the woods to meditate and came back three months later alive and alert like nothing ever happend.............for all you know he could have been in the MC.Donald's across the street eating a happy meal.....LOL



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..How about Vitamin D ???
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http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition...indmiracle.html
The Miracle of Vitamin D

In April of 2000 a clinical observation published in Archives of Internal Medicine caught my attention. Dr. Anu Prabhala and his colleagues reported on the treatment of five patients confined to wheelchairs with severe weakness and fatigue. Blood tests revealed that all suffered from severe vitamin D deficiency. The patients received 50,000 IU vitamin D per week and all became mobile within six weeks.1



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The Role of Light in Health

http://curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=105&db=1&C0=1

`Super Nutrient´ Lacking in Most Artificially Illuminated Rooms, Scientists Warn.

Tinted and dark glasses can harm your health and may depress your immune system and endocrine glands!

A nutrient that travels at a speed of 186,000 miles a second from a source 93 million miles away rates with food, water and air as part of the life-support system on earth.



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http://www.newstarget.com/022315.html
The UV-rays in sunlight actually stimulate the thyroid gland to increase hormone production, which in turn increases the body’s basal metabolic rate. This assists both in weight loss and improved muscle development. Farm animals fatten much faster when kept indoors, and so do people who stay out of the sun. Therefore, if you want to lose weight or increase your muscle tone, expose your body to the sun on a regular basis. The use of antibiotics, which has practically replaced heliotherapy, has in recent years led to the development of drug-resistant strains of bacteria, which defy any treatment other than the balanced use of sun, water, air, and food. Cutting out or substantially reducing any of these four essential constituents of life, results in disease.

UV light is known to activate an important skin hormone called solitrol. Solitrol influences our immune system and many of our body’s regulatory centers, and, in conjunction with the pineal hormone melatonin, causes changes in mood and daily biological rhythms. The hemoglobin in our red blood cells requires ultraviolet (UV) light to bind to the oxygen needed for all cellular functions. Lack of sunlight can, therefore, be held co-responsible for almost any kind of illness, including skin cancer and other forms of cancer. As you are about to find out, it may be highly detrimental to your health to miss out on sunlight.

By the year 1933, there were over 165 different diseases for which sunlight proved to be a beneficial treatment. However, with the death of Rollier in 1954 and the growing power of the pharmaceutical industry, heliotherapy fell into disuse. By the 1960s, man-made “miracle drugs” had replaced medicine’s fascination with the sun’s healing powers, and by the 1980s the public was increasingly being bombarded with warnings about sunbathing and the risks of skin cancer.
Ins0mniac
QUOTE (crystal sage @ Jan 2 2008, 01:08 AM) *
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..How about Vitamin D ???


Um, sure you can get vitamin D from the sun. The only problem I guess, being that you can't live off vitamin D alone...
crystal sage
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By looking into the sub-atomic particles that make up all matter, physicists have indeed confirmed that light is life itself.
http://www.dianaewald.com/Vibrational_Medicine.html

At the quantum level of subatomic particles, all matter is literally frozen, particularized energy fields (i.e. frozen light)
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http://www.newswise.com/articles/view//
“Recent scientific breakthroughs have shown that most of the matter in the universe -- about four-fifths -- is not made up of atoms, but of something else, called ‘dark matter,’” said Howard Baer, FSU’s J.D. Kimel Professor of Physics. “The evidence for dark matter is now overwhelming, and the required amount of dark matter is becoming precisely known.”

Baer explained that dark matter is believed to exist in the form of tiny particles that do not interact with light. Because they don’t emit or reflect electromagnetic radiation the way atomic, or baryonic, matter does, these dark matter particles haven’t been directly observed. However, scientists have long theorized their existence based on their gravitational effects on visible matter throughout the universe.


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Everything is frequency vibration; frequency is the language of energy. All matter vibrates as energy; indeed, matter is nothing but energy. More specifically, matter is condens
ed light carried into physical manifestation by photons that are directed by creative intelligence.


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http://www.harmonology.com.au/purpose.htm

Before Creation

All matter is but vibrating energy some scientists claim and people like Albert Einstein expressed that belief in a mathematical formula: E=mc 2

What does that mean? Very simply it means that there was energy ‘before' matter and that all matter consists of that ‘pre physical' energy.

Since in that ‘energy' there ‘existed' neither electrons nor protons, neither atoms nor molecules and hence neither ‘matter' and especially no ‘observers' of that matter there was neither space nor time either.

There was ‘nothing' (No-Thing) which the human mind could recognise as ‘something'…or ‘Some-Thing'.

To the human mind the energy of which all matter consists is nothing. Nothing the mind can ‘grasp' through the ‘senses' of the body.

But everything that exists in physical reality, every proton, electron and atom in the physical Universe consists exactly of that ‘nothing' - consists of ‘vibrating' energy.

Can you SEE? When I say: ‘can you see', I do not mean ‘can you understand me', but rather: 'can you follow me into that ‘pre physical energy and information' and can you SEE what I can see with my ‘inner eyes'. Perhaps with my heart rather than my mind if we consider the heart as being the ‘seat of God'.

I had to stop myself from saying; ‘pre physical light and information field' since a field can exist only if we have matter….and especially an observer of that ‘matter'
crystal sage
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So ... if all matter is just vibrating energy... maybe...some.. can attune themselves to absorbing energy directly from the primary source.. light.. cosmic energy... rather than a secondary source... food... water...



cool.gif Many agree that we can heal... improve our lives with visualization... meditation... thinking... ...all done on a thought level...that has been proved by many to affect us physically... so why can't visualizing absorbing nutrients.via cosmic rays... light... or visualizing eating...work?? if you can achieve that level of concentration...awareness.... acceptance.... openess???


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LOL... I am almost convinced that when I had dreams of eating feasts of all my favourite foods... I woke up heavier... or too full to eat breakfast...

The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (Sama @ Dec 25 2007, 01:59 AM) *
I totally agree with you . thumbsup.gif Why can't some people believe in blessings and miracles ??

Thats called faith. We need proof.
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