Well, my sound on my PC is out, and probably will be for a while. But me and my friend were debating about the existence of God. He then links me to this video, but I can't listen to it. And he's not so great at explaining things. I've also looked at the comments on the video, and it seems that some people are intrigued by it. What's it about, and if you are an Atheist/Non-Christian like me, how'd you refute it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TevkzHQhh0...feature=related

Quick version: The universe exists. The universe, at some point, did not exist. Therefore, something had to have caused the universe to come into existence.

A very old argument.

Ahh. So really nothing new or special? I pretty much figured that.... Look at the nasty comments in the video. They're basically "mocking" Atheists.

Well it may very well have always existed.....there doesn't necessarily have to be a first mover.

We always need there to be a start and an end, a birth and a death, a start and a finish. We can only relate to what we experience. This is what creates a penchant amongst humans to assign a birth to everything.....based on what we see it is hard for us to relate to something as always existing.

We are very likely the new addition to something that has always been, how egotistical of us to assume that we can classify something we know nothing about.

I agree 100%. Though it seems as if the universe had some form of a "start", because of the expansion, though it wasn't necessarily from nothing. I've seen alot of arguements saying that the universe would not have came from nothing, and so therefore God must have done it.

This makes absolutely no sense to me. They claim that "Since God exists outside of time, he did not need a beggining". So what? Why does it have to be God? Why not some natural phenomena that has always existed, that somehow "Sparked" the universe?

What makes you think there wasn't a beginning? The universe is expanding, and the rate at which it is expanding is increasing. You can't keep that up forever. Everything is going to rip itself apart eventually.

Based on what?.....how do you know.....we haven't learned all the laws of the universe yet.....shoot we're still using oil.....so we know very little about energy!!!

Well, the expansion to me suggests it all came from one single location. However, there could be so many answers as to what that was. And what if the universe has always existed, yet in a different "form"? Singularity, etc? And then, once sparked, it expanded into what we see now.

That argument is old and it has nothing to do with any religions we've known. Even if you admit that something had to come before, it doesn't mean that something is Yahweh.

The interesting thing is that this stance is not supported by science. Science is based on the observation of nature. In nature all effects have a cause, we have yet to find an effect with no cause, therefore, since the universe is here, there must have been something that caused it and since science can only study things within our universe and whatever cause resulted in our universe, by definition had to be outside of our universe, then we can't study it scientifically. So, from a purely scientific standpoint the beginning of the universe is a supernatural event.

If something does exist, and the universe most certainly exists, then it ceases to be something supernatural it is then natural.

Many things that people lable as supernatural that exist in or of our environment are in fact natural, because it does in fact exist in or of our environment.

If our universe did in fact have a beginning it would be more likely , IMO, that it was produced from a split in another universe or dimension.

The only reason why one would say that the universe did in fact have a beginning is because of the idea that the universe is expanding. Absolutely no scientist knows for sure that the universe is indeed expanding......this is purely an assumption. An assumption derived from mankinds intrinsic penchant to assign a beginning and an end to things, simply because everything within our grasp of understanding at the moment does have a beginning and end.

Hawkings illustrates this idea superbly: http://www.hawking.org.uk/lectures/bot.html

A static universe, IMO, seems more likely at the moment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Static_universe

Very good video. He presented his case very well.

Can't say I agree, actually I thought he trapped himself with his own logic.

If god is infinity and outside time, he must have been in "no time" before he created time/space/matter.

But no time would just as time be infinite, so how would god pass infinite of no time to get to the point where he created time/space/matter?

What infinite of no time?

watch the clip the op linked

I did watch it.

There is no "infinite of no time". If there was, there would still be no time.

Excactly, and that is why a god could not have created time from before time/space/matter "no time" we agree then

No. Time needed God, God did not need time.

Very good video. The kid presents himself well.

*wooooosh*

Hmm...so let me get this straight.

Time, the universe & matter have to have a beginning and an end but god does not .Gotcha !!

By the waythis is the same joker that lied & claimed Islam is anti-christ 666.

He flatly out lied or he is an idiot. Remember ? The number of Islam is 66 not 666 (which is Nero)

Yea cuz it mocks atheists so what he hey...go for it...show everyone what a good christian can really do??? that MUST be it according to you!! typical!!

LOL you got that right...waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy over his head lol

um....
Heard of theoretical physics?
It is a fact the universe is expanding.
I believe that the universe MUST have had a begginning, most probably the big bang.

Maybe you should watch the video again.

lol......surely you jest

yes I've heard of theoretical physics......which doesn't deal with facts ......it deals with that whcich it is named for theoretics.

It is most certainly not a fact that the universe is expanding, it is an assumption....ever here of metaphysics?
http://metaresearch.org/cosmology/DidTheUn...eABeginning.asp
"One might be inclined to think, given the popularity of the big bang theory today, that we must by now have solid evidence that the universe is indeed expanding. But in truth, that most fundamental premise to the big bang cosmology remains an assumption. Attempts to show its truth observationally have frustrated astronomers for decades."

And if you claim anything about this "thing" that existed outside of the universe: It's an unsupported claim. So they need to quit blabbing about God. It was just as likely to be something completely natural. The odds of it go down even more when you claim it to be a SPECIFIC intelligent being.



But does that prove that there is nothing which has no cause? Not really. What if the universe is that something?

No thanks, I have better things to do..besides I dont need another reminder of ignorance..thanks all the same...