IMO I think you have to be TRULY SORRY for god to forgive you, if he exists...hopefully

Hell exists, it's name is Hades, it's a hell-like place and will finally be burnt to the Lake of Fire as prophesied.

The concept is complicated. To make it abit simple, you have to forget about His omnipresence for a while, and to define that any place, I mean *ANY* place, void of God will be turned to Hell by its inhabitants. When the inhabitants turn their places to Hell, those places will be burnt.

So is Hades, when those wicked souls turn that place into Hell (they should have already done at this moment), Hades will be burnt to the Lake of Fire.

Thanks Bro, some really good stories, I enjoyed it.
Have not found any hell ones yet , But I have heard some before, Still reading.
Love Omnaka

I don't believe hell exists. with the perfection as I see God there would be no need for it since God takes all home. every one of us.

God only knows if we did something wrong and we're in Hell right now, theres no way to know.

Hey Momentarylapsofreason,

I found a couple on that site. I will be posting Mine there soon.

This one comes pretty close to what I saw, the first time, but has no comparison to baby Hell which started out as baby heaven, but was not designed to hold the sea of aborted babies and turned it in to Baby hell. That one is a whole chapter in my book so I cant talk about it here.

But I will post my first experience on that board telling about my first exerience with Heaven and a level of regular Hell.


http://www.nderf.org/edward_b's_nde.htm

Love Omnaka

What, whatIdo whatIdo?

Love Omnaka

you mean in the entire existance of man Hell has only existed as long as abortions have been being performed past the point of being necessary.

No I did not say that at all, I was taken up , By God And shown Baby hell, it is a diferent level which has existed since Time.

As I said in an earlier post I do not want to talk about that place.
Please respect my wish,

The post was mainly To post a link to anothers experience of a lesser Hell where adult spirits send them self out of remorse for how they treat their brothers and sisters while away from their true Home (Heaven).

You seem to think , one shoe fits all, sorry to disapoint, Hell , as Heaven have Many diferent levels for diferent spirits.




Startin early huh sis?

Love Omnaka

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NOT ONCE, NEVER, HAVE I EVER BELIEVED THAT HELL EXISTED.

Hell is a scare to keep societies together... why not believe of no hell?

HELL DOES NOT EXIST. SATAN DOES NOT EXIST. PERIOD.

SatanDoes not run hell Unless one Says all inhabitants of Hell are Satan.

Where do you think all the stories Of hell came from? are they all made up?

Kinda like aliens, if Millions say they saw Ufos, Is it really possible they all made this up?

There is a hell, with many levels, God does not put one there , The repentant Child of God does this himself.

Think if one Blames God for all the bad stuff down here, swears God and his bro, THat when his spirit leaves his body That what he said about the father of His spirit will just Go away?

Most are not accountable down here , But spirit is full consciousness, and after all that This spirit will not be able to stand In Fathers or any of the Holy hosts love light, and he will send himself there out of remorse. it is a very sad place where one makes his own Hell. It's like being Jailed inside a Jail, and you are the jailer and the prisoner.

Love Omnaka

Does Hell exist ?

Only if you feel you need to go to such a place.

since God creates all and all has a purpose there isn't anything to need a hell for.

question. For the people that are saying there is not Hell......

If tomorrow there was discovered irrefutable evidence that Hell was in fact a real place in the sense of the religious explaination of it would you fear the possibility of being sent there.....This is a hypothetical question about the change of your reality not a question on whether you deserve it or not.

Of course, how could anyone not be fearful ? Fear is your best friend if he is rational

Does Hell exist?

Well spend 24 hours with my X and I get the feeling you will have your answer!

i am also a christian but i also
have questions of myownabouthevennhell
i know that thereis a place they call hellan youcn be sent there for eterinty an i know tht there is a heaven an there you will have ever lasting life

Yes.

Love Omnaka

beautiful!....

randomhit10

What is?
Sorry I don't get it.

Love Omnaka

Hell is a Judeo-Christian idea personally I don’t see how you can believe in God but not Satan or hell, the both are in the bible. Now some people do believe that hell is just seprations from God which in that case this might be hell for some people not here on earth. I have to admit you sound like your a catholic they too believe in God but not hell or Satan. Personally I think this is picking & chosing what your want out of the bible.

You might want to check out this website. According to Bill Wiese's testimony, God allowed him to experience Hell for 23 minutes. He describes his experience.

http://www.spiritlessons.com/Documents/Bil...InHell_Text.htm

So this is supposed to be proof ? How I pity some.............

Hey, I wanna go to hell too, so that I can come back,write books & generally make pig money as he is. Wake up !!

And besides is this not a contradiction of scripture ?


The bible Explicitly states that man has only once to die. Only once.

KJV Hebrews Chapter 9 Verse 27: And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement.

So these so-called near death experiences go against "god's word". You cannot die, go to heaven or hell, and then come back to die a second time.

Maybe his next book will tell us about his experience in Hogwarts.

Why don't you watch the testimony before you judge people.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5038135422824610779

Men normally do die once. That does not mean it will always be the case. Do you have some understanding of most people dying more than once?

Also, the Bible tells us the dead can be resurrected, which means that a person can die and live again.

Ok I watched it. It was HELL as in funny as Hell (in a sad way)


I' d like to see some more comments from UM members if they are willing to waste some extra time

I have one comment..........peter piper picked a peck of pickled bible verses

momentary is the only person that answered my question...let me illustrate my point of asking it to Momentary......


Yes you would fear it if it were irrefutably a place. i feel that intentionally ignoring the existance of Hell, since there is a Hell like place in most religions is foolhardy. but since there is no evidence of such a fearsome place we can eliminate the "belief" of it to justify more of the sinful things that we do with no fear of punishment. it is the same thing in my mind as making our creator a forgiver of everything....see I can't accept that there is no punshment for my actions. I feel that there is a Hell, you must accept God to go there, and I do not believe in once saved always saved...because I think that you can separate yourself from God and still choose Hell.I don't think God initiates a separation though.

Because there is no time in Spirit world, I'm curious how he knew it was 23 minuits?

Love Omnaka

Did you watch the video?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5038135422824610779

He left at 3 am and returned at 3:23 am.

What part did you find funny?

In response to the OP, I don't think Hell exists, Hell itself IMO, was stolen from the Norse concept of Helheim, so I don't think that it exists, in my personal beliefs the closest thing to the Christian Hell that exists would be the Abyss, but people don;t go there when they die. IMO, the concept of Hell was just invented to scare people into believing.

Oh, he just happened to leave exactly at 3 am "the witching hour"....and the "mystical number 23" mins. ...hmmmm...........how convenient !


Now I believe it even LESS how very contrived it all sounds ..will he be making a movie next ?? $$$$$$$$$$$$$

What time and how many minutes would you have believed?

I started to But Heard enough at exactly2 minuits 3 seconds in to his sermon, Maby I will try again.

Love Omnaka

Could all be true for all I know, now I have to finish the damn thing, Pun intended.

Its his experience, I know I have Had an near death experience , and It does not really matter if anyone believes Mine either, I imagine it may have been for his bennifit, if for no one elses belief.

Love Omnaka

Erm.. I don't know..........how about 6 in the am for 6 hrs. and 6 mins. ?

Mr. Wiese is a real estate guy and the market is in a slump.......hmm

So do you feel eternal suffering would be an appropriate & rational response for your sinful actions and those of others ?

hmmmmm

http://www.spiritlessons.com/Documents/Bil...esInHell_02.mp3

So he must be very dedicated since the real estate market is in a slump and he doesn't share this for money.

um no. but then I guess that is why Im not the person that has to make those decisions. I would prefer Hell doesn't exist, but alas, I believe that it does. but I also don't think Hell is a fiery pit of burning and sulphur. I think that Hell is an actual place where you cannot feel the presence of God and there is no communication with him. If you spend your life denying God why would he want to reward you with an eternity with him? I believe Hell is the place the soul goes to be without God.

But God clearly descibes hell in the bible, While it is a place without God thereis fire and tormment according to the bible. I don't like to believe anyone will suffer such pain, And like you say , Not our decision I am glad I don't have to know about the torment others may suffer, That would cause great pain and in heaven there is no pain, Always a pleasure

No pain in heaven , huh ? So if your loved ones are suffering down in hell..................?

What are you doing to ensure your loved ones aren't going to suffer there?

How do you know ? You still think this is proof, huh ?

Besides if god REALLY didn't want US to go to hell ,then hell would not exist, PERIOD !!! You always remove the danger (if you can) to protect your kids.

You think I will worship an entity that is crueler than any human being ?


Any god that allows it's existence (hell) is a cruel psychopath


Why in the world should I believe Mr. Wiese more than Omnaka ? (wink wink Omnaka)

He says he doesn't accept money for sharing his testimony in the link I posted.

Also, Hell is for Satan and his demons. It is necessary for it to exist rather humans go there or not. The danger is there, but humans can easily avoid going there.


Maybe we should get rid of all the streets since they present dangers to children. Road construction workers must be evil plotters to harm children, since they create streets that children can cross and have harm come to them. Remember, "you always remove the danger to protect your kids".

Of course, a better solution would be to teach children the proper "way" to cross a street so harm doesn't come to them.

Absolutely nothing, they have brains and they use them.

They are not gullible, they are rational

I love your rationalisations.

Now tell me why hell is a necessity....I'm all eyes

Hell is for those who rebel against God. It is a place of eternal separation from God, since those who go to Hell have rejected God.

This obviously includes Satan and his demons. No man has to choose the same path.