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jakz.ko.ex
I know how people are skeptical but I ask of you to please read all of the topic (sorry it had to be long) before making any comment please...

This all srarted a few months back, I was in a slump, deppression one might say... and I still am. You see I was going through a lot, family problems, financial and personal etc... you know, I was in the process of almost losing my flat, had problems with my parents and so on... basically life was as bad as it could get or so i thought.
The thing is, quite honestly, I'm not much of a faithful person so I didn't really know who or what to turn to. I tried praying to 'God' but I guess 'one off prayers' don't have much affect... well anyway I didn't get much help from praying but may be it was just me... I looked at alternate options of how I could turn my life around. Problem is, I'm kind of lazy so I always try to take the easiest option. Many people will read this second part and think 'what a moron' and thats exactly how I feel now.
I wanted wealth, success and I wanted it fast without me doing much... I decided to try and conjure up a spirit, djinn or some kinda poltergeist. From the start I thought 'jaks, what the hell are you doing'... not because of what might happen but duely for the reason of how absurd this was. I thought of how to go about this, I didnt want to try something out of a book or things like wicca assocciated, you know what I mean, so i wrote a, well you might call it a spell, so I wrote some erhh, incantations or something, something that would most likely provoke a spirit or what ever...I tried not to make it satanic and keep it kinda un-satanic if you know what I mean. When I had finished I immediately read it, obviously I didn'nt expect anything immediately to happen but I read it daily 2 or 3 times...
As one would guess I didn't get much visits from a ghost or anything... little strange things did happen like when I would say, ''if any spirit has heard my plee, then please make the music bieng played by that guy stop'' and the music would stop! This happened 2 or 3 times but I passed it off as coincidences. Well, I got bored, asked 'God' to forgive me if I did anything wrong and stopped using my incantations. I should also mention that I also drawed pictures, and I hate to admit it but they were a little associated with satanic cultures or goth... and I really feel bad but honestly there was nothing to it, jus thought it might help.
Anyway, I left it at that, I didn't throw away the paper, actually I still have it, but a few weeks ago things got real scary. I'm sorry I had to say a lot to get here but you need to know everything if you are going to make any sense of this.
Well what happened and is happenin now is that, lately I've been seeing things out of the corner of my eyes. I know what your thinking but its not an illussion or a figment of my imagination... I dont't see these things only after dark, I see them during the day too although its more frquent at mid-night or evening times. I see the figures of people, like shadows but actual figures that appear as shadows. I noticed these occurances are more common in my house and my house is'nt haunted or anything, this just started recently and i'm begining to think it might be because of what I did, what i mentioned earlier. But thats not all, evert time I step outside my room, my heart just goes into overdrive and starts beating like crazy.I'm not a person who usually gets afraid but even when theres nothing on my mind or when I have no reason to be afraid, my heart would still beat a thousand times a minute. I don't hear anything just see things. I'm constantly looking over my shoulder, literally lookin over mt shoulder... I can't even go to the bathroom without my heart jumping or me running back and forth trying to keep my eyes closed. Something even happened at a bus stop 2 weeks ago but I don't wanna mention it, the topic is long as it is. I don't want to go to a so called 'mystic' or 'medium' because they just rip you off... so if any one knows whats happening or has any advice then please tell me if you think there is something to it and, if so, what can be done...
Sporkling
well they say that you can pray and meanwhile go join a church or some religious group. No cults please. And probably you can get help for priests or other people. And there is someone somewhere who said that you can try to take a pinch of black pepper and salt and ground it together with your thumb and apply to your forehead and if it does not work apply to your big toe and press. But they also said that if another person is applying for you the spirit may well prosess them. Well i just heard so maybe just pray hard. And i don't really think you are prosessed.But you may be. cause most prosession case the person does not know anything while they are prosessed but i am not an expert
Neognosis
You're possessed alright. But it's not by a demon or ghost.
SunDogDayze
I think you are depressed, and are showing signs of generalized anxiety disorder. The two can go hand in hand, and you might want to either read up on them or maybe talk to a doctor.

The spells or incantations you wrote or drew did not conjure up some evil spirit that is haunting you now. Even if spells were possible, they are usually pretty specific, and there are certain things you have to say or do to conjure anything, not just make up some stuff on your own.

The shadows you see in the corner of your eyes are illusions. There are many different things that can cause them, from vision problems, to hypersensitivity to things you see every day. If you are in a heightened sense of awareness, as most people with generalized anxiety disorder are, you notice things like that that you wouldn't have noticed before. Our peripheral vision is not that detailed, and everyday things moving around in your peripheral vision can look shadowy, and then when you turn your head to look at them, they look completely different, making you think whatever it is that you saw is no longer there.

The heartrate change is also a symptom of generalized anxiety disorder, however, since it is your heart, which is pretty vital, I would definitely get that checked out by a doctor. Make sure it isn't a physical problem with your heart, but again, rapid heart rate can be cause by medication, caffeine, fight-or-flight reflex, and a number of other things as well.

Please see a doctor and let him/her know what you have been experiencing to rule out anything medical.
GeneBrowne
This is an odd post. You're contradicting yourself. You're not a faithful person but you conjured up something that you need faith to believe in. Also I don't really see how you're possessed. Possession is where your body is taken over by an entity and you are no longer in control ... am I correct?

If true, what you're describing sounds like a haunting of sorts, but I think it's just you feeling bad and creating a haunting for yourself. You said you prayed to 'God' and that he done very little for you. God is in each one of us, just like the Devil, and if you really want help you will get it ... I kid you not, but it's up to you. So if you want help ... help yourself by going out and not focusing on this "thing" and using your energy to make some money.

You contradict yourself a few times here and all in all I think you've created something in your mind. If you even put half the energy into something productive than what you have done, you would have made more money that you imagined. It's funny how people look for ways out because they're lazy. Here's a nice little tip for ya .... nothing comes for free. You have to spend the amount of energy before you get rewarded. I don't know why everyone thinks they're something out of the ordinary and deserves millions for sitting on their a$$ ... it don't work like that.


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I don't want to go to a so called 'mystic' or 'medium' because they just rip you off


But you conjured up a spell to make you rich .... You are confused I think.


Read the book Think and Grow Rich ..... it will be a lot easier from that.
Neognosis
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I think you are depressed, and are showing signs of generalized anxiety disorder. The two can go hand in hand, and you might want to either read up on them or maybe talk to a doctor.


I agree.
explorer
At first glance it looks to me like you've come to a point of stress and urgency in your life and as an experiment, or in hope of a pathway, you took an action that you have called writing a spell. Did you not maybe cast that apparent spell upon yourself? I'd love to cast a spell for instant this and that too. What difference would it make? Now as we all do, you're at a heightened awareness of what's around you, risking losing your home and finances can be as stressful as it gets. That would explain the peripheral vision, increased nervous responsiveness. It tricks me too. You are only self possessed by seeing the wrong result. As for the music stopping, need more info on that. Were you standing next to a busker who stopped or did your stereo just stop?

The best thing to do is find a way to relax, relax, Relax, because relaxing your mind will give you more control. Panic, worry, fear, anxiety, they'll eat your control. From what you describe, you're looking for a solution from without which is exaggerating the problem within. The solution is within you already. It is you. You are the sepll you need. Feel the power and the comfort of being you. Spells or whatever are for people who want control over others. Control over yourself requires no spells or elixirs or anything. It's a resolve you can have by yourself. Ease your foot off the wrong accelerator and think of practical actions first.
JustNormal
First of all, what you describe is not possession, but you do possess greed, and sloth which are just a few of the 7 deadly sins. If your story is true, then you "could" have summons a negative entity which could cause the dark shadows and things of that nature. I agree with others, that its possible you are suffering from a form of anxiety/depression which can make you fear things at a greater level. My advise is to see your doctor, get a job and recite St. Michael's prayer a few times a day. Good Luck..JN


http://www.vaticaninexile.com/PopesCouncil...aelsPrayer.html
randomhit10
QUOTE (JustNormal @ Dec 26 2007, 07:28 PM) *
First of all, what you describe is not possession, but you do possess greed, and sloth which are just a few of the 7 deadly sins. If your story is true, then you "could" have summons a negative entity which could cause the dark shadows and things of that nature. I agree with others, that its possible you are suffering from a form of anxiety/depression which can make you fear things at a greater level. My advise is to see your doctor, get a job and recite St. Michael's prayer a few times a day. Good Luck..JN


http://www.vaticaninexile.com/PopesCouncil...aelsPrayer.html


i think you are right JN...

you are not possessed but you are being influenced...the problems stems from you desire to get all things of the world without working for them yourself...you summoned something to do the work for you but you have figured out that you are not in control of it...it will probably do some of what you want but it will want to be "paid" in return...more than likely you will not like the payment...as far as the depression, this was the tool was used to get you here...your doctor can help you but you will have to get you mind right to recover....prayer, rest is a great combo for getting you life back in order...rest, as in restful sleep, a decline in stress and worry, and a proper diet for a while will work wonders...at some point in time, the sooner the better, you will need to send your new friend back home before it becomes a permanent resident at your house...you need to get moving...waiting is not to your advantage...

randomhit10
jakz.ko.ex
Hmmm, should have expected this... I guess people always just try to answer problems by thinking within the box, skeptical as usual...
As for the guy who was ripping on me to make money and crap, I suggest you don't just suppose this or that about a person without really knowing anything about them. I work hard for my money but I have a lot of responsibilities and I went through a period where I was financially struggling. Maybe you should carefully read the topic again my friend.
And as for those saying its just anxiety and deppression... well maybe you are right but I don't really think that is the cause. There is so much that cannot be explained with anxiety and deppresion being the answer. Its 8:53 here in England now, around 6:00 in the evening I was comming home and there were two dogs chained behind the gates. I pass them every time I walk down the street. I did'nt notice them at first but all off a sudden, as soon as I was in front of them, the dogs just start barking. At first I thought its just the usual reaction they give to me daily but when I looked through the gate I realised they were fighting. One was biting the others neck. The lady came out and I just continued waking home. Last night at exaclty somewhere between 2:00 and 2:05 am, I awoke all of a sudden. It was unusual because I am a heavy sleeper. I thought to my self it was a good thing because I needed to go to the bathroom. I went to the bathroom and as I was washing up I heard someone retching. I turned the tap off and listened but ther was no sound except the cars outside. I turned the tap back on and again I could hear the retching noise once more. Again I turned the tap off to listen but nothing. I got a hold of myself and thought nothing off it and just went back to my room and slept peacfully for the rest of the night. 2 weeks ago I was comming home at around 11 pm, this was before I suspected I was haunted, and I was at the bus stop in Dudley, 10 miles from my home. I should tell you that before I left my sisters house that day she said she had a bad feeling about me going home and said she would call a cab instead but I said its ok. As I was waiting at the stop there was a front porch light behind me in front of a house, the light just suddenly started to go out. I thought it was the people inside doing it but it got dimer till the point it just, all of a sudden went off. So there I was in the dark waiting for a bus on my own at night. I got tired of waiting so I decided to walk it to the main road and catch a different bus. As I was walking I noticed a guy at the far end stop of the road looking forward at the trees. As I was doing so a bus came from behind but by the time I realised and ran for the nearest stop it had alraedy past me by. I was kind of angry, I thought if I had not looked at the guy I would have noticed the bus lights from behind earlier. I looked forward at the guy agin in a little anger. The bus stopped but he did not get on... the bus went and then he just got up, he looked at me and just walked into the trees across the bus stop. I was spooked out a little and just ran all the way to the main road. I have'nt been to my sisters since.
So much more has happened concerning me that was by no means associated with my mental health.
I should also mention that over a year ago I was treated by this sort of religous guy or somethimg who said someone had done blackmagic on me.
At this point I just want to say that I am not writting this for attention or entertainment. There are real strange occurances going on in my life that started a few weeks ago. If this was really caused by anxiety or deppression then I would have noticed some kind of gradual build up but this just started all of a sudden.
There is one incident that has freaked me out the most. Everytime I go out after work, or just to the shops or over to my mates, I leave the light on in my room if its dark outside. Its just a habit, a few days ago I went to the shops and as I went outside, I looked back at my room. I always tend to look back at my house, another habit. This time I also left my light on but that evening when I looked back, I saw my room light go off. I thought the fuse had gone so I bought a bulb on the way back. When I got back as a normal daily reaction I reached for the switch and the light came back on. I just sat down and pondered what had happened for a sec. I just ignored it and thought it was just the wiring gone wrong.
One thing I'll admit to is that possesed is the wrong word, more like haunted or attached to should describe it well.
GeneBrowne
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As for the guy who was ripping on me to make money and crap, I suggest you don't just suppose this or that about a person without really knowing anything about them. I work hard for my money but I have a lot of responsibilities and I went through a period where I was financially struggling. Maybe you should carefully read the topic again my friend.


I wasn't ripping you on making money, so I don't have to read it again. I was saying basically how it's a bad way to go about getting more money ... You get defensive, don't, I'm not here to rip on you as you put it. This isn't my first post so I would appreciate if you realized that I don't suppose anything about anyone .... you posted what you did and I responded to what you said. None of us know you have money and none of us know you don;t, so before you get defensive, next time be sure to include more details perhaps? I don't know ... but there is no sentance saying in the first paragraph that you have money .... so it appeared that you casted a spell to make money because you were lazy, as you said. All in all you're defensive towards me for something you said, or never said. Sorry if you were offended in anyway.

If you need extra money ... do some overtime, stay home on the weekends .... don't spend it on ridiculous things that you don't need ... which everyone is guilty of. There are some good money managers out there ... you should do yourself a favor and check one out.

In the mean time ... this is not a ripping.

JustNormal
QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 26 2007, 09:50 PM) *
Hmmm, should have expected this... I guess people always just try to answer problems by thinking within the box, skeptical as usual...
As for the guy who was ripping on me to make money and crap, I suggest you don't just suppose this or that about a person without really knowing anything about them. I work hard for my money but I have a lot of responsibilities and I went through a period where I was financially struggling. Maybe you should carefully read the topic again my friend.
And as for those saying its just anxiety and deppression... well maybe you are right but I don't really think that is the cause. There is so much that cannot be explained with anxiety and deppresion being the answer. Its 8:53 here in England now, around 6:00 in the evening I was comming home and there were two dogs chained behind the gates. I pass them every time I walk down the street. I did'nt notice them at first but all off a sudden, as soon as I was in front of them, the dogs just start barking. At first I thought its just the usual reaction they give to me daily but when I looked through the gate I realised they were fighting. One was biting the others neck. The lady came out and I just continued waking home. Last night at exaclty somewhere between 2:00 and 2:05 am, I awoke all of a sudden. It was unusual because I am a heavy sleeper. I thought to my self it was a good thing because I needed to go to the bathroom. I went to the bathroom and as I was washing up I heard someone retching. I turned the tap off and listened but ther was no sound except the cars outside. I turned the tap back on and again I could hear the retching noise once more. Again I turned the tap off to listen but nothing. I got a hold of myself and thought nothing off it and just went back to my room and slept peacfully for the rest of the night. 2 weeks ago I was comming home at around 11 pm, this was before I suspected I was haunted, and I was at the bus stop in Dudley, 10 miles from my home. I should tell you that before I left my sisters house that day she said she had a bad feeling about me going home and said she would call a cab instead but I said its ok. As I was waiting at the stop there was a front porch light behind me in front of a house, the light just suddenly started to go out. I thought it was the people inside doing it but it got dimer till the point it just, all of a sudden went off. So there I was in the dark waiting for a bus on my own at night. I got tired of waiting so I decided to walk it to the main road and catch a different bus. As I was walking I noticed a guy at the far end stop of the road looking forward at the trees. As I was doing so a bus came from behind but by the time I realised and ran for the nearest stop it had alraedy past me by. I was kind of angry, I thought if I had not looked at the guy I would have noticed the bus lights from behind earlier. I looked forward at the guy agin in a little anger. The bus stopped but he did not get on... the bus went and then he just got up, he looked at me and just walked into the trees across the bus stop. I was spooked out a little and just ran all the way to the main road. I have'nt been to my sisters since.
So much more has happened concerning me that was by no means associated with my mental health.
I should also mention that over a year ago I was treated by this sort of religous guy or somethimg who said someone had done blackmagic on me.
At this point I just want to say that I am not writting this for attention or entertainment. There are real strange occurances going on in my life that started a few weeks ago. If this was really caused by anxiety or deppression then I would have noticed some kind of gradual build up but this just started all of a sudden.
There is one incident that has freaked me out the most. Everytime I go out after work, or just to the shops or over to my mates, I leave the light on in my room if its dark outside. Its just a habit, a few days ago I went to the shops and as I went outside, I looked back at my room. I always tend to look back at my house, another habit. This time I also left my light on but that evening when I looked back, I saw my room light go off. I thought the fuse had gone so I bought a bulb on the way back. When I got back as a normal daily reaction I reached for the switch and the light came back on. I just sat down and pondered what had happened for a sec. I just ignored it and thought it was just the wiring gone wrong.
One thing I'll admit to is that possesed is the wrong word, more like haunted or attached to should describe it well.


As I said, and I stand by it, you could very well have a negative haunting due to the occult you have been into. But you are not possessed or you wouldnt even know it. You could be influenced, hence the illusions you see and hear, and it "could" be a malevolent spirit or evil entity. In any case, I posted a prayer that keeps you safe from evil. When people have a haunting of this type, they DO get anxiety for no reason, and are hypervigilant, and look for things and hear things that are not even there. Just recite St. Michael's prayer often, and let us know how you are doing. JN
jakz.ko.ex
Ok, let me just clear things up, I am sorry for posting originally that I was possessed but I did'nt really think about it. Lets just say experiencing unusual occurances. I really don't know at this point.
Also, I studied psychology, sociology and phislosophy and have books on them so I would know when I am spiralling towards deppression or anxiety or how to avoid it or cure it.
And the reason I was in financial problems was because I had too send money to mother who was ill and that left me with an unexpected balance for that month.
Finally, lets go with the fact i'm dellusional and see, hear things that are not there, but things like comming home to find my mirror on the floor or tears in my curtains, my posters comming of the wall... I am not just imagining those.
courage_now
Mate this is Classic anexity .. and maybe bi-polar disorder. Can you please have yourself reviewed by a professional please.

Please forgive is ignorant bible bashers here, they don't believe in dinosaurs you see and will take everything you throw at them as a sign from god. Please ignore it as it is no good for your condition.
jakz.ko.ex
QUOTE (courage_now @ Dec 26 2007, 10:38 PM) *
Mate this is Classic anexity .. and maybe bi-polar disorder. Can you please have yourself reviewed by a professional please.

Please forgive is ignorant bible bashers here, they don't believe in dinosaurs you see and will take everything you throw at them as a sign from god. Please ignore it as it is no good for your condition.


For someone who referres to others as ignorant duely because they belive in spirits and ghosts... well I guess you are no more intelligent then they are. Thanks for the advice but if I went to my GP and said ''doc, I see dead people'' he'd give me more than a prescription.. lol

p.s. I don't really see dead people happy.gif
JustNormal
QUOTE (courage_now @ Dec 26 2007, 10:38 PM) *
Mate this is Classic anexity .. and maybe bi-polar disorder. Can you please have yourself reviewed by a professional please.

Please forgive is ignorant bible bashers here, they don't believe in dinosaurs you see and will take everything you throw at them as a sign from god. Please ignore it as it is no good for your condition.



I am asking you to PLEASE stop putting down and insulting Christians, its a great way to get yourself banned. BTW it is spelled "anxiety"...
GeneBrowne
QUOTE (courage_now @ Dec 26 2007, 08:08 PM) *
Please forgive is ignorant bible bashers here, they don't believe in dinosaurs you see and will take everything you throw at them as a sign from god. Please ignore it as it is no good for your condition.



What does that even mean??? You're all about the bashing of religion today aren't you. You don't believe in something so automatically when someone does it's bible pushing. Let me guess ... you don't believe in any of this type of stuff do you? If not, then why are you bashing the one's who do?

"Those who do not believe it can be should stay out of the way of the people doing it"

I guess that could be changed to:

"Those who do not believe should stay out of the way of the people who do".

Does it hurt you when people believe something you dont? Are you the standard for what to believe and what not to believe? Who are you?


Back to the post:

I would recommend seeing a doctor just to be safe. Then if there's nothing going on with you mentally, then maybe you should seek the help of a demonologist or someone experienced in the field.
JustNormal
QUOTE (GeneBrowne @ Dec 26 2007, 10:46 PM) *
What does that even mean??? You're all about the bashing of religion today aren't you. You don't believe in something so automatically when someone does it's bible pushing. Let me guess ... you don't believe in any of this type of stuff do you? If not, then why are you bashing the one's who do?

"Those who do not believe it can be should stay out of the way of the people doing it"

I guess that could be changed to:

"Those who do not believe should stay out of the way of the people who do".

Does it hurt you when people believe something you dont? Are you the standard for what to believe and what not to believe? Who are you?


Back to the post:

I would recommend seeing a doctor just to be safe. Then if there's nothing going on with you mentally, then maybe you should seek the help of a demonologist or someone experienced in the field.



AMEN brother lol
GeneBrowne
Also .... Most Christians don't look at God as something sittin on a cloud waiting for you when you die. God is inside all of us ... the term "God" is a symbol of our ability to love, embrace, enjoy, share, help, etc one another no matter the beliefs or looks.

The same goes with "devil". This term is a symbol of hate, greed, vengance, etc, and use it on one another just like "God".


This is why the Earth we are on can be heaven or hell, whatever you make it. Why do you focus on the religion of these posts? Are you talking about something you just don't understand so you are just brushing it aside? Give up with the religion bashing ... it's pointless, and awfully immature.
jakz.ko.ex
Great! Now everyone thinks Im a mental case! lol... happy.gif
Since no one believes me and is repeating what the previous poster has just said (lol) tommorow I'll speak to my GP. I won't mention whats happening, I'll just say to him if he can identify my stress level and how much anxiety I have, if I have GSD, If there is need for concern etc. Let you know what he says..
GeneBrowne
QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 26 2007, 08:35 PM) *
Great! Now everyone thinks Im a mental case! lol... happy.gif
Since no one believes me and is repeating what the previous poster has just said (lol) tommorow I'll speak to my GP. I won't mention whats happening, I'll just say to him if he can identify my stress level and how much anxiety I have, if I have GSD, If there is need for concern etc. Let you know what he says..



I never said I don't believe you .... I have my own experiences everyday at my business. I know where you're coming from. It's not just me that sees and hears these things ... so I know I'm not "Mental" lol. Good luck though.
eight bits
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Also, I studied psychology, sociology and phislosophy and have books on them so I would know when I am spiralling towards deppression or anxiety or how to avoid it or cure it.

No. You need advice from someone who can listen to you not only with learning, but also with objectivity and detachment. You cannot provide this service to yourself. Nobody can do this for themselves. Nor is it realistic to expect effective therapeutic advice from an internet forum.

You have already expressed dissatisfaction with the advice which you have received here. Now you need to go where satisfactory advice can be found.
ravergirl
QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 26 2007, 03:43 PM) *
I know how people are skeptical but I ask of you to please read all of the topic (sorry it had to be long) before making any comment please...

This all srarted a few months back, I was in a slump, deppression one might say... and I still am. You see I was going through a lot, family problems, financial and personal etc... you know, I was in the process of almost losing my flat, had problems with my parents and so on... basically life was as bad as it could get or so i thought.
The thing is, quite honestly, I'm not much of a faithful person so I didn't really know who or what to turn to. I tried praying to 'God' but I guess 'one off prayers' don't have much affect... well anyway I didn't get much help from praying but may be it was just me... I looked at alternate options of how I could turn my life around. Problem is, I'm kind of lazy so I always try to take the easiest option. Many people will read this second part and think 'what a moron' and thats exactly how I feel now.
I wanted wealth, success and I wanted it fast without me doing much... I decided to try and conjure up a spirit, djinn or some kinda poltergeist. From the start I thought 'jaks, what the hell are you doing'... not because of what might happen but duely for the reason of how absurd this was. I thought of how to go about this, I didnt want to try something out of a book or things like wicca assocciated, you know what I mean, so i wrote a, well you might call it a spell, so I wrote some erhh, incantations or something, something that would most likely provoke a spirit or what ever...I tried not to make it satanic and keep it kinda un-satanic if you know what I mean. When I had finished I immediately read it, obviously I didn'nt expect anything immediately to happen but I read it daily 2 or 3 times...
As one would guess I didn't get much visits from a ghost or anything... little strange things did happen like when I would say, ''if any spirit has heard my plee, then please make the music bieng played by that guy stop'' and the music would stop! This happened 2 or 3 times but I passed it off as coincidences. Well, I got bored, asked 'God' to forgive me if I did anything wrong and stopped using my incantations. I should also mention that I also drawed pictures, and I hate to admit it but they were a little associated with satanic cultures or goth... and I really feel bad but honestly there was nothing to it, jus thought it might help.
Anyway, I left it at that, I didn't throw away the paper, actually I still have it, but a few weeks ago things got real scary. I'm sorry I had to say a lot to get here but you need to know everything if you are going to make any sense of this.
Well what happened and is happenin now is that, lately I've been seeing things out of the corner of my eyes. I know what your thinking but its not an illussion or a figment of my imagination... I dont't see these things only after dark, I see them during the day too although its more frquent at mid-night or evening times. I see the figures of people, like shadows but actual figures that appear as shadows. I noticed these occurances are more common in my house and my house is'nt haunted or anything, this just started recently and i'm begining to think it might be because of what I did, what i mentioned earlier. But thats not all, evert time I step outside my room, my heart just goes into overdrive and starts beating like crazy.I'm not a person who usually gets afraid but even when theres nothing on my mind or when I have no reason to be afraid, my heart would still beat a thousand times a minute. I don't hear anything just see things. I'm constantly looking over my shoulder, literally lookin over mt shoulder... I can't even go to the bathroom without my heart jumping or me running back and forth trying to keep my eyes closed. Something even happened at a bus stop 2 weeks ago but I don't wanna mention it, the topic is long as it is. I don't want to go to a so called 'mystic' or 'medium' because they just rip you off... so if any one knows whats happening or has any advice then please tell me if you think there is something to it and, if so, what can be done...

pictures and made up words do not a demon call but sure can make a good book. and also get some sleep because your hallucinations are signs of sleep depravation. of and maybe stop going ice skating every day. get off the gas and relax a little bit.
Lucid Mark
Well I think if you had the power or capability to conjure this thing up then you have the capability to banish it. And since you wrote the first one and it seemed to work then right the banishing one also. And since you drew picture with your conjuring spell then draw pictures with your banishing spell just the same. This time use holy things rather then evil things. To help you with everything you should go to a spiritual store and get some holy water or ask for some from your priest if you have one or know of one. Next frankincense and myrrh are really good for banishing unwanted spirits and other such things. And don't forget to pray.

Oh yes don't forget to believe in everything that you do... you must have faith. rolleyes.gif
Electra Rain
QUOTE (explorer @ Dec 26 2007, 04:15 PM) *
At first glance it looks to me like you've come to a point of stress and urgency in your life and as an experiment, or in hope of a pathway, you took an action that you have called writing a spell. Did you not maybe cast that apparent spell upon yourself? I'd love to cast a spell for instant this and that too. What difference would it make? Now as we all do, you're at a heightened awareness of what's around you, risking losing your home and finances can be as stressful as it gets. That would explain the peripheral vision, increased nervous responsiveness. It tricks me too. You are only self possessed by seeing the wrong result. As for the music stopping, need more info on that. Were you standing next to a busker who stopped or did your stereo just stop?

The best thing to do is find a way to relax, relax, Relax, because relaxing your mind will give you more control. Panic, worry, fear, anxiety, they'll eat your control. From what you describe, you're looking for a solution from without which is exaggerating the problem within. The solution is within you already. It is you. You are the sepll you need. Feel the power and the comfort of being you. Spells or whatever are for people who want control over others. Control over yourself requires no spells or elixirs or anything. It's a resolve you can have by yourself. Ease your foot off the wrong accelerator and think of practical actions first.


I agree with you Explorer, to cast a spell is merely an aid, and truly should not be used to gain money unless your playing the lottery, than it becomes more for luck and amusment, you really have to stop and think before flinging any magick or weaving spells, because most problems can be solved with inspiration thoughts, ideas - pratical and logical motivation, for example, you need money to pay a bill, but your jobless - solution, apply for a job, or create a job, if you have talents.

Stress is a mental block to reaching full awarness of any type of problem solving, which means you need to relax your body and mind, and tackle the problem with a clear sense of where you are going and the steps you need to get there. Medatation, and Yoga are wonderful techniques to clear and cleanse your thoughts and motivate your body, a budget and a career plan are the steps you take to beating the money woes. A carrer plan allows for you to see where you stand in the job fiels, what you are good at and what needs worked on, and a budget plan allows you to see where you can spend money and where your money is going. Explorer made a good point, in order to take these steps and make them effective you need to tackle the negativity that surrounds you, Panic, worry, fear, anxiety will not only eat your control, but they cause your body to break down, leaving you wide open to Illness. Your mind tells your body what to do... It's time to address that negative side of yourself and replace it with Postive thoughts, ideas , and emotions and this is the driving force (action) to determination, Motivation and eventually Success.

Also Lucid Mark, made an excellent point, since you conjured which means created, you can also banish, which means exile - it's a lot like wiping the chalk board clean and beginning again, only this time use postive things not negative and apply action, motivate your mind to think about earning the money you need not want to take care of the things much needed not desired, create a resume, go out and hand it out to all whoes hiring.
JustNormal
QUOTE (Lucid Mark @ Dec 26 2007, 11:31 PM) *
Well I think if you had the power or capability to conjure this thing up then you have the capability to banish it. And since you wrote the first one and it seemed to work then right the banishing one also. And since you drew picture with your conjuring spell then draw pictures with your banishing spell just the same. This time use holy things rather then evil things. To help you with everything you should go to a spiritual store and get some holy water or ask for some from your priest if you have one or know of one. Next frankincense and myrrh are really good for banishing unwanted spirits and other such things. And don't forget to pray.

Oh yes don't forget to believe in everything that you do... you must have faith. rolleyes.gif


Good post Mark...JN
primordial
Well, you do think you are genuine, and yes, u have to expect some crazy answers. It seems that Possessions and Mental illness go hand to hand at our day n age. Religion hurts many ppl. So, u took the risk, and it is a good start to disclose. It took bravery.
What Church do u belong to? If I knew that I possessed and I would self-diagnose myself ruling out all possibilities of an mental disorder-I will go to my church every Sunday to really check things out. Ya know? And, if u talk to a Priest..expect another crazy answer.
The last resort is really Yourself. What can I say more? Tape your surroundings. Record those dogs in each time that you walk by. Dogs and the supe(supernatural) scares me. I hear that possessed “people” see uncanny things about animals, like dogs walking backwards..
Ever Smudge, jaks,... a healing lodge,a Sweat? Go Native. Well, on a second thought. I guess we have demons too
Electra Rain
QUOTE (primordial @ Dec 26 2007, 11:45 PM) *
Well, you do think you are genuine, and yes, u have to expect some crazy answers. It seems that Possessions and Mental illness go hand to hand at our day n age. Religion hurts many ppl. So, u took the risk, and it is a good start to disclose. It took bravery.
What Church do u belong to? If I knew that I possessed and I would self-diagnose myself ruling out all possibilities of an mental disorder-I will go to my church every Sunday to really check things out. Ya know? And, if u talk to a Priest..expect another crazy answer.
The last resort is really Yourself. What can I say more? Tape your surroundings. Record those dogs in each time that you walk by. Dogs and the supe(supernatural) scares me. I hear that possessed “people” see uncanny things about animals, like dogs walking backwards..
Ever Smudge, jaks,... a healing lodge,a Sweat? Go Native. Well, on a second thought. I guess we have demons too


Than you 'primordial' for stating that, this is what my indepth studies have brought me to as well, and I think the only reason why dogs are associated with evil is due to Dog attacks, and fear, fear is everyones worst enemy and can bring out the worst in anyone, it's like being afraid of the dark, your mind tends to create things that your fear feeds on, this may explain why people see a dog walking backwards, but there is also a gentic disorder that causes this walking backwards phenomon, and if human's have it, so can animals...
Episteme
Well, let's look at each complaint individually. Maybe it will help to simplify the problems you're having.

QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 26 2007, 10:43 AM) *
... little strange things did happen like when I would say, ''if any spirit has heard my plee, then please make the music bieng played by that guy stop'' and the music would stop!

Very possibly a coincidence, as you noted yourself.
QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 26 2007, 10:43 AM) *
Well what happened and is happenin now is that, lately I've been seeing things out of the corner of my eyes.

QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 26 2007, 10:43 AM) *
But thats not all, evert time I step outside my room, my heart just goes into overdrive and starts beating like crazy.

Not surprising. You're going through a difficult period in your life, then you spend time attempting to cast spells. Either might cause anxiety, put them together and it's definitely cause for concern.

QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 26 2007, 04:50 PM) *
At first I thought its just the usual reaction they give to me daily but when I looked through the gate I realised they were fighting. One was biting the others neck.

Dogs fighting. That's not really unusual. Even for dogs that are buddies, they often scuffle or play fight.

QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 26 2007, 04:50 PM) *
Last night at exaclty somewhere between 2:00 and 2:05 am, I awoke all of a sudden. I went to the bathroom and as I was washing up I heard someone retching. I turned the tap off and listened but ther was no sound except the cars outside. I turned the tap back on and again I could hear the retching noise once more. Again I turned the tap off to listen but nothing.

You had just woken up so you were likely groggy. My tap is pretty loud, I can't be too sure of anything I hear when the tap is running. The noise stopping when the water turned off might mean it was just air in the line or pipes.

QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 26 2007, 04:50 PM) *
2 weeks ago I was comming home at around 11 pm, this was before I suspected I was haunted, and I was at the bus stop in Dudley, 10 miles from my home. I should tell you that before I left my sisters house that day she said she had a bad feeling about me going home and said she would call a cab instead but I said its ok. As I was waiting at the stop there was a front porch light behind me in front of a house, the light just suddenly started to go out. I thought it was the people inside doing it but it got dimer till the point it just, all of a sudden went off. So there I was in the dark waiting for a bus on my own at night. I got tired of waiting so I decided to walk it to the main road and catch a different bus. As I was walking I noticed a guy at the far end stop of the road looking forward at the trees. As I was doing so a bus came from behind but by the time I realised and ran for the nearest stop it had alraedy past me by. I was kind of angry, I thought if I had not looked at the guy I would have noticed the bus lights from behind earlier. I looked forward at the guy agin in a little anger. The bus stopped but he did not get on... the bus went and then he just got up, he looked at me and just walked into the trees across the bus stop. I was spooked out a little and just ran all the way to the main road. I have'nt been to my sisters since.

You missed the bus because you were looking at a guy - who wasn't waiting for a bus. A light flickered and your sister had a bad feeling. Maybe the guy just realized he forgot his wallet. I really don't see why this would have been a frightening experience.

QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 26 2007, 04:50 PM) *
There is one incident that has freaked me out the most. Everytime I go out after work, or just to the shops or over to my mates, I leave the light on in my room if its dark outside. Its just a habit, a few days ago I went to the shops and as I went outside, I looked back at my room. I always tend to look back at my house, another habit. This time I also left my light on but that evening when I looked back, I saw my room light go off. I thought the fuse had gone so I bought a bulb on the way back. When I got back as a normal daily reaction I reached for the switch and the light came back on. I just sat down and pondered what had happened for a sec. I just ignored it and thought it was just the wiring gone wrong.

I got nothin, except it would freak me out as well. I lost my home to an electrical fire in high school so you might want to check out that lamp/wiring if you haven't already.

Overall I'm just not seeing anything here that should cause you this much worry, hopefully broken down like this might help you to see it that way as well. When people go through rough times the smallest things can be amplified and cause a great deal of stress. It's actually very common, you're certainly not a "mental case". Your GP should be able to steer you in the right direction, they really can help. I'm glad you decided to go that route!
eight bits
The last thing that the original poster needs is any further adventures in amateur sorcery. If he created this thing, as has been suggested, then he did so with the intention of making a supernatural automated teller machine or cash point. Look at what he says he conjured instead.

Abstinence from sorcery ought also to include avoiding participation in ritual devotions offered to his namesake by someone who believes that he, and not Benedict, is currently the Pope of the Roman Catholic Church.

http://www.vaticaninexile.com/electionproofs.html

One can only wonder what Pope Michael I was trying to conjure up.

You need to see a real counselor, Jaks, like your physician. You say you've read psychology. Some part of you knows where real counseling can be found. Listen to that and use it, as you have resolved to do.

Best wishes for speedy relief.
primordial
Psychology is a lil over a century old..our eyes are just opening. sleepy.gif
JustNormal
QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 26 2007, 11:05 PM) *
Great! Now everyone thinks Im a mental case! lol... happy.gif
Since no one believes me and is repeating what the previous poster has just said (lol) tommorow I'll speak to my GP. I won't mention whats happening, I'll just say to him if he can identify my stress level and how much anxiety I have, if I have GSD, If there is need for concern etc. Let you know what he says..


I never said I didnt believe you, I said you possibly had a haunting... blink.gif
gaia227
Jaks I know you are probably sick of people telling you this but - everything you described can be attributed it anxiety. Anxiety does not have to be some big event or even a disorder you will have forever. You already said you have been experiencing depression and it sounds like you are desperate for help considering you tried to call forth powers to help you attain what you want because you are too unmotivated to try to do it yourself - that definately sounds like depression. What you described the sudden increase in heart rate, the feeling of paranoia are both classic symptoms of anxiety. Believe me, I used to (and once in a blue moon still do) have anxiety attacks. For whatever reason your flight or fight mechanism in your brain gets 'switched' on for no reason and you experience a sudden rush of adrenaline, dopamine, etc. I would be sitting on the couch watching tv and out of nowhere my heart would start pounding and racing like I had just ran a marathon, I couldn't breath, felt like I was going to have a heart attack, etc. It would also happen when I went to bed - I became really paranoid about things being in my room with me, started having nightmares, couldn't sleep. It is scary because you can also became fixated on it - that is another symptom of an anxiety disorder - obsessing about it and when it is going to 'strike' again. I think you should talk to your doctor and maybe try a mild anti-anxiety like a low doze of Xanax or Klonopin and see if it doesn't help.
Good Luck
Electra Rain
Here is a bit of info on Anxiety,

Anxiety
http://www.dhyansanjivani.org/information-...ogy/Anxiety.asp

Most generally, a vague, unpleasant emotional state with qualities of apprehension, dread, distress, and uneasiness. Frequently known as panic, anxiety is often distinguished from fear in that an anxiety state is often objectless, whereas fear assumes a specific feared object, person or event. In existential theory, anxiety is characterized as the emotional accompaniment of the immediate awareness of the meaninglessness, incompleteness, and chaotic nature of the world in which we live.

SunDogDayze
QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 26 2007, 05:35 PM) *
Also, I studied psychology, sociology and phislosophy and have books on them so I would know when I am spiralling towards deppression or anxiety or how to avoid it or cure it.


That's a mistake that alot of people think, including experienced psychologists.

From your stories, I don't think you are delusional. I think things that are happening to you now have always been happening, as none of the examples you posted were all that scary or weird, and you are just now noticing them.

The description of both mental anxiety and possession can be explained conversely-

People who are religious or believe in paranormal activity will say that you are possessed, and the symptoms of a possession will mimic the symptoms of anxiety, but are not the cause.

People who are skeptic and do not believe in the paranormal will say that you are suffering from anxiety, and that the symptoms of anxiety mimic the symptoms of a possession, but are not the cause.
Electra Rain
QUOTE (SunDogDayze @ Dec 27 2007, 06:56 PM) *
That's a mistake that alot of people think, including experienced psychologists.

From your stories, I don't think you are delusional. I think things that are happening to you now have always been happening, as none of the examples you posted were all that scary or weird, and you are just now noticing them.

The description of both mental anxiety and possession can be explained conversely-

People who are religious or believe in paranormal activity will say that you are possessed, and the symptoms of a possession will mimic the symptoms of anxiety, but are not the cause.

People who are skeptic and do not believe in the paranormal will say that you are suffering from anxiety, and that the symptoms of anxiety mimic the symptoms of a possession, but are not the cause.


Wow! sundog, I'm impressed, you really looked at both sides of the coin on that one, but if it is neither anxiety or posession, than what is it? and if it's always been happening, but he/she is just opening their eyes to it now, than could it possibily be life coming into clear view? I guess that would make sense considering seeing things in a different light or exp things that are new can be or seem quite frightening and ball anyone's panties or underwear up in a bunch....
jakz.ko.ex
Ok, two things have happened since yesterday...
1.) I went to see my doctor and told him I was'nt feeling my usual self lately and asked him if he could make sense of it (did'nt mention anything about my experiences). He checked my eyes, took my temperature, asked me a few questions and ran some other few tests... I asked him about my stress level and he said there is no need to worry. He said I did'nt have an appointment (they were pretty busy since it was just after christmas) and came all of a sudden so I arranged one next week in which I hope he can give me a better understanding. All in all, he said my stress level was common and nothing to worry about but I still asked for some relaxing tablets and he told me about some prescription free medicine.
They were just relaxtion and sleep aid tablets. The one I bought was called 'Lanes Kalm' 100 tablets. I had 2 so far and I'm felling a bit drowsy.

2.) When I went back to work later on, I just felt the need to speak to someone about it so I mustered the courage to speak to a colleague. One guy I work with is good friends with me so I tod him what happned but I said it happened to another friend of mine. He obviously took the p*** out of me at first but then said to tell my friend to go to one of those demonoligists or holymen and say one of his family members is bieng haunted. He said, if they are genuine then they will know that he is actually bieng haunted (or not).
I was thinking maybe I should try that, I mean, I'd go for anxiety over bieng haunted anyday. happy.gif
Electra Rain
QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 27 2007, 07:35 PM) *
Ok, two things have happened since yesterday...
1.) I went to see my doctor and told him I was'nt feeling my usual self lately and asked him if he could make sense of it (did'nt mention anything about my experiences). He checked my eyes, took my temperature, asked me a few questions and ran some other few tests... I asked him about my stress level and he said there is no need to worry. He said I did'nt have an appointment (they were pretty busy since it was just after christmas) and came all of a sudden so I arranged one next week in which I hope he can give me a better understanding. All in all, he said my stress level was common and nothing to worry about but I still asked for some relaxing tablets and he told me about some prescription free medicine.
They were just relaxtion and sleep aid tablets. The one I bought was called 'Lanes Kalm' 100 tablets. I had 2 so far and I'm felling a bit drowsy.

2.) When I went back to work later on, I just felt the need to speak to someone about it so I mustered the courage to speak to a colleague. One guy I work with is good friends with me so I tod him what happned but I said it happened to another friend of mine. He obviously took the p*** out of me at first but then said to tell my friend to go to one of those demonoligists or holymen and say one of his family members is bieng haunted. He said, if they are genuine then they will know that he is actually bieng haunted (or not).
I was thinking maybe I should try that, I mean, I'd go for anxiety over bieng haunted anyday. happy.gif



Now that you know it's not a medical concern, you can begin looking at other alternatives, my advice would be to go to a Shaman, they are Native (Indian) medician men who know what they are taking about, demonologist and Holymen will feed you crazier ideas, and that is not what you need, your trying to avoid the crazier so why would you open yourself to more. Let me know, how things turn out, and I wish you the best of luck.
Daughter of the Nine Moons
I'm just going to insert a little reminder here.

Nobody on an internet forum is qualified to diagnose the mental or physical well being of another or offer any kind of medical advice.

jaks.ko.ex I think it is a good thing that you talked to your doctor and have made arrangements for a follow up. As your opening post states you have been going through a lot in the last few months and the stress of Christmas would only amplify it.

I wish you the best of luck
jakz.ko.ex
QUOTE (Electra Rain @ Dec 27 2007, 07:52 PM) *
Now that you know it's not a medical concern, you can begin looking at other alternatives, my advice would be to go to a Shaman, they are Native (Indian) medician men who know what they are taking about, demonologist and Holymen will feed you crazier ideas, and that is not what you need, your trying to avoid the crazier so why would you open yourself to more. Let me know, how things turn out, and I wish you the best of luck.


Yeah... the thing is.. I don't know how to go about doing this, never done it before you see. I don't really think there are any shamans in my area... probably do a little search in the weekends... there is this fortune teller I know in the town centre... huh.gif ... don't know whats that got to do with this... happy.gif lol... just thought I'd mention it...

p.s. had to edit just to say thanks... grin2.gif
jakz.ko.ex
QUOTE (Daughter of the Nine Moons @ Dec 27 2007, 07:56 PM) *
I'm just going to insert a little reminder here.

Nobody on an internet forum is qualified to diagnose the mental or physical well being of another or offer any kind of medical advice.

jaks.ko.ex I think it is a good thing that you talked to your doctor and have made arrangements for a follow up. As your opening post states you have been going through a lot in the last few months and the stress of Christmas would only amplify it.

I wish you the best of luck

happy.gif
Electra Rain
QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 27 2007, 07:58 PM) *
Yeah... the thing is.. I don't know how to go about doing this, never done it before you see. I don't really think there are any shamans in my area... probably do a little search in the weekends... there is this fortune teller I know in the town centre... huh.gif ... don't know whats that got to do with this... happy.gif lol... just thought I'd mention it...

p.s. had to edit just to say thanks... grin2.gif


Maybe you should research this fortune teller, see if she is for real and not a sham, maybe she might be able to help you find the right person to take this issue too. I wish you the best of luck and you're very welcome.
jakz.ko.ex
QUOTE (Electra Rain @ Dec 27 2007, 08:04 PM) *
Maybe you should research this fortune teller, see if she is for real and not a sham, maybe she might be able to help you find the right person to take this issue too. I wish you the best of luck and you're very welcome.


You know those people that have a small shop, they sell charms and books, ornaments that suppose to bring good feng shui and what not, crystal healing, signs that ward off spirits and so on... thats the kind off place it is. She has these incense that I want to get, can't explain it but they are not your normal fragrance giving out incense. I don't what its called either...
JustNormal
QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 27 2007, 08:12 PM) *
You know those people that have a small shop, they sell charms and books, ornaments that suppose to bring good feng shui and what not, crystal healing, signs that ward off spirits and so on... thats the kind off place it is. She has these incense that I want to get, can't explain it but they are not your normal fragrance giving out incense. I don't what its called either...


Hi Jaks, using crystals, or going to a fortune teller or Indian in my opinion is NOT the correct way to get rid of this, as it actually brings more activity to you. If it is indeed a Demonic Haunting, you need to find a Demonologist or clergy in your area, in order to banish it. I dont know where you live, but IMO that is the only way to get that thing out of your life and your home. Been there, done that. I also suggest you recite St> Michaels prayer EVERY day, as for protection and it doesnt matter if you are Christian or Athiest, it works well. Demons HATE incense so thats a good idea, to burn that and some Sage. People who have not been thru this could guide you in the wrong direction, but I have been thru a Demonic haunting and could relate to the illusions visually, and sometimes auditory. Look on the Internet if you are out of the US for a Demonologist, and contact him. Having faith is the only way to get this monster out of your life..JMO,,God Bless..JN
JustNormal
QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 27 2007, 07:58 PM) *
Yeah... the thing is.. I don't know how to go about doing this, never done it before you see. I don't really think there are any shamans in my area... probably do a little search in the weekends... there is this fortune teller I know in the town centre... huh.gif ... don't know whats that got to do with this... happy.gif lol... just thought I'd mention it...

p.s. had to edit just to say thanks... grin2.gif



Please, my advise is to STAY CLEAR of fortune tellers or Shamans, they deal with the occult and you sure dont need more negative in your life IMO.JN
jakz.ko.ex
QUOTE (JustNormal @ Dec 27 2007, 08:29 PM) *
Please, my advise is to STAY CLEAR of fortune tellers or Shamans, they deal with the occult and you sure dont need more negative in your life IMO.JN

At this point I just want to be back to my old self again... I'm trying not to acknowledge the fact that something is wrong and act as if everything is fine. I do ask 'God' to protect me and guide me but I can't really expect 'God' to just answer my one off prayers. I'll keep at it though, shamans, priests, and what not... I feel like challenging whatever is happening and just say 'Im ok, Im still standing'
Electra Rain
QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 27 2007, 08:12 PM) *
You know those people that have a small shop, they sell charms and books, ornaments that suppose to bring good feng shui and what not, crystal healing, signs that ward off spirits and so on... thats the kind off place it is. She has these incense that I want to get, can't explain it but they are not your normal fragrance giving out incense. I don't what its called either...



Take a gander around the shop, and ask all kinds of questions, you'd be amazed at what you may discover, I'm not sure either what the stronger incense is called, but I do know it was used by Natives to ward off negatitve spirits, the the Chiniese have a good bead on Spiritual issues and work closely with The Native culture, (shamans) they know how to deal with negative energies, Maleviolent spirits and Spirtual healing. I'd check out the shop and talk to the owner, what can it hurt, no harm done in leaning something new.
JustNormal
QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 27 2007, 08:49 PM) *
At this point I just want to be back to my old self again... I'm trying not to acknowledge the fact that something is wrong and act as if everything is fine. I do ask 'God' to protect me and guide me but I can't really expect 'God' to just answer my one off prayers. I'll keep at it though, shamans, priests, and what not... I feel like challenging whatever is happening and just say 'Im ok, Im still standing'


I totally can relate to your feelings, and wanting to feel like your old self again. YES ignoring is a very good idea, as they feed off fear and every other emotion known to man. Unfortunately YOU cannot challenge it, cause you wont win, and you need a professional to do that, but at the end you win, it loses, but remember this is not a game or competition, this is your life and well being we are talking about, not to mention your sanity if it goes on too long. It doesnt matter what denomination you are, you need CLERGY whether a priest, pastor, minister but even before that you need a demonologist, thats what they do, cast them out and back to wherever they came from. TRUST ME I have been thru it, and its not fun, but there is a right way and wrong way. My PI team wanted me to use Wiccans to cleanse my home, but I said NO, as they dont even believe in Demons, so how could they help me? If you are going to do it, do it right, so that this thing will be out of your life. As I said, just look online for Demononogists, or Exorcists, clergy in your area..JN
jakz.ko.ex
QUOTE (JustNormal @ Dec 27 2007, 09:03 PM) *
I totally can relate to your feelings, and wanting to feel like your old self again. YES ignoring is a very good idea, as they feed off fear and every other emotion known to man. Unfortunately YOU cannot challenge it, cause you wont win, and you need a professional to do that, but at the end you win, it loses, but remember this is not a game or competition, this is your life and well being we are talking about, not to mention your sanity if it goes on too long. It doesnt matter what denomination you are, you need CLERGY whether a priest, pastor, minister but even before that you need a demonologist, thats what they do, cast them out and back to wherever they came from. TRUST ME I have been thru it, and its not fun, but there is a right way and wrong way. My PI team wanted me to use Wiccans to cleanse my home, but I said NO, as they dont even believe in Demons, so how could they help me? If you are going to do it, do it right, so that this thing will be out of your life. As I said, just look online for Demononogists, or Exorcists, clergy in your area..JN

I was just thinking about setting a tape recorder or something at night just now but I'm scared of what I might find. I mean, if I find one tiny bit of paranormal activity then I don't think I'll be able to sleep at night aslong as I live here...
SunDogDayze
QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Dec 27 2007, 04:08 PM) *
I was just thinking about setting a tape recorder or something at night just now but I'm scared of what I might find. I mean, if I find one tiny bit of paranormal activity then I don't think I'll be able to sleep at night aslong as I live here...


Let the physician finish his follow up, and THEN move on to the next step. I'm telling you as a person who has experienced generalized anxiety disorder, and not as someone who thinks they are a doctor.

I also like the idea that someone else suggested, where you just 'make' an incantation to banish the /whatever is it/ and see if that works. If you had the power to bring it, whether it is something real or in your mind, you have the power to banish it as well.

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