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rideron


1. It is a certainty that the airwaves are constantly FULL of transmissions and signals of all sorts. Am, FM, T.V. Amateur radio, cellphones, baby monitors, shortwave, garage door remote controls, etc. etc.

2. "EVP'S" are ALWAYS picked up by means of electronic recording devices.

3. Is it not logical that what is being called "EVP's" are most likely the random reception of fragments of such transmissions, and/or the result of 'pattern recognition' by the listener within simple static or other interference recorded by the electronic device?
courage_now
Indeed.

Quite recently the Xbox 360 has been proven to broadcast and on a very large band with a very slow wave.

Regency
QUOTE (rideron @ Dec 26 2007, 09:36 PM) *
2. "EVP'S" are ALWAYS picked up by means of electronic recording devices.


Yup - hence they're called EVP's... the clue is in the name yes.gif tongue.gif

Convincing EVP's have been picked up in remote mining towns, down in the tunnels under the earth. I don't think they are exclusive to built up, technology saturated areas though.


MasterPo
I've been using recorders all my life (long before I got into the paranormal). In all that time I have never recorded anything that even remotely sounded like a TV or radio signal. And I don't know anyone who has.

More importantly, you know what a TV or radio broadcast sounds like. You know what commericals, shows, jingles, actors etc sound like. The EVPs investigators get don't sound anything like that.

And specifically, when you ask the question "What is your name?" and 2-3 seconds later you get the response "My name is..." the mathematical probability of intercepting a broadcast transmission at that moment which so well answers your question is astronimical!
Jennie 1
QUOTE (MasterPo @ Dec 26 2007, 10:37 PM) *
I've been using recorders all my life (long before I got into the paranormal). In all that time I have never recorded anything that even remotely sounded like a TV or radio signal. And I don't know anyone who has.

More importantly, you know what a TV or radio broadcast sounds like. You know what commericals, shows, jingles, actors etc sound like. The EVPs investigators get don't sound anything like that.

And specifically, when you ask the question "What is your name?" and 2-3 seconds later you get the response "My name is..." the mathematical probability of intercepting a broadcast transmission at that moment which so well answers your question is astronimical!


True, true, true. But......
My problem with EVP's is that they are the easiest thing in the world to fake. So, for the person that was there, doing the recording and knowing what was going on, yes, they are great evidence. But for the rest of the world, that doesn't know the integrity of the person making the recording, they don't really count, or at least they shouldn't.
They're just too easy to fake, IMO.
dancin'hamster
I think EVP's are definitely a grey area.
I work with certain equipment and it's amazing just how much we have flying around us at any given time - the air is jam-packed with a million radio waves.

I did a post here a while ago about a taxi driver hearing his own voice over his radio, requesting a pick-up at a certain address. A few hours later he was back at the office, and was on the radio requesting a pick up when he recognised the address - and realised he was reading out the same details he'd heard over his radio hours before.

Also - many ships report picking up distress singals from ships that don't exist anymore.....proof that EVP's are just left-over bits of disembodied voices, floating around in the ether until they are picked up on a recorder and interpreted by eager listeners...

However....there are some exceptionally good EVP's that do appear to interact with people, and answer definite questions; once again I have posted these incidents on this site a few years ago. These are the ones that continue to fascinate me, as there is no other explanation for them, other than the dead making contact.
MasterPo
QUOTE (Jennie 1 @ Dec 27 2007, 01:53 AM) *
True, true, true. But......
My problem with EVP's is that they are the easiest thing in the world to fake. So, for the person that was there, doing the recording and knowing what was going on, yes, they are great evidence. But for the rest of the world, that doesn't know the integrity of the person making the recording, they don't really count, or at least they shouldn't.
They're just too easy to fake, IMO.


Same with photos. Just look around at the number of dust orb and light streaks people claim are genuine ghosts! And even digital cameras can get double exposure.

As with anything on the cutting egde reputation counts for a lot too.

Jennie 1
QUOTE (MasterPo @ Dec 28 2007, 08:35 AM) *
Same with photos. Just look around at the number of dust orb and light streaks people claim are genuine ghosts! And even digital cameras can get double exposure.

As with anything on the cutting egde reputation counts for a lot too.


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NoahJaymes
I agree with MasterPo on this. I have been using recorders for quite some time now and I have never picked up various other transmissions. Now on my two way radios, cell phones, etc I do quite frequently.

As MasterPo also said, you would know the difference in those such transmissions.

Also, I don't know anyone who has picked up on these transmissions.

Now, as Jennie suggested, it is rather easy to manipulate EVPs, but I don't know why anyone would intentially manipulate an evp. Well, I do, (know) but not a group who is out for the better cause.

It is very easy to be reviewing evp's and catch something. Now this could be simply you walking and brushing against something or something in the background like another investigator whispering or sighing.

When we are conducting evp work, I myself carry 3 on all investigations. One i use strictly for evp sessions, one i carry around as a log, I am very vocal about everything. (10:25pm, we are now walking into the basement, our footsteps can be heard, everyone is now in the basement, no footsteps can be heard) That is an example moreless. The last one I set up in the most active room and let it run the entire night. Along side the recorder, I also set a motion sensor out of the view of anyone, which nobody knows but me. This prevents someone messing with it.

EVPs are probably the most strenious piece of evidence one has to look over. However usually the most successful evidence wise.

Usually what I do is listen to the entire recordings, pick out what I think are legitimate clips (if any) and let the co-founder listen to the entire recordings and he will do the same, without me saying anything about the recordings. We are very picky with what we decide.

Anything anyone posts online you take with a grain of salt. It isn't up to you to decide what it is, nobody knows except for the group that was there. You don't know if someone brushed up against something or what the elements were like.
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