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dest_titor1
I could never lucid dream, at the most just realize I was asleep. Most of the time I just close my eyes and I awake next morning, no time difference. Most of the time I cannot even remember my dreams.
So...
How could I lucid dream?
I really need to know because I am trying to write a short story and I want to "feel" this imaginary world of mine.
sumthingnice60
In order to lucid dream, you need to be able to remember your dreams first. Keep a dream journal in which you write down everything you remember in your dreams. Do this as soon as you wake up. Keep the journal right next to you so as soon as you wake up, you can write down what you remember. Eventually, the number of dreams you remember will increase.

The actual lucid dreaming takes a little practice more than anything. During the day, when you are awake, look at text or a clock/watch. In dreams, clocks and texts appear blurry and clocks may even appear not to work. When you can tell reality from dreams, you will realize while dreaming that you are actually dreaming. After that, let your imagination take over and you'll see that you can do weird and crazy things in your dreams. Good luck.

Just a quick example of one of my lucid dreams. I was having a nightmare about some wild animal chasing me on a mountain with a sharp cliff. As soon as I realized that I was dreaming, I started feeling less scared. I knew from experience that killing myself in dreams wakes me up, so I jumped off the cliff and woke up. This was one of my first experiences with lucid dreaming so it was really exciting for me to be able to have some control in my dreams.
ex infernis
You could also try WILD'ing it's harder, but the dream is much more clear
tutorial: http://www.dreamviews.com/community/showthread.php?t=1886
dest_titor1
well I tried to have a lucid dream last night, I was met with limited success.

My whole memory of it is choppy.

I tried to become the ruler of "my" world, I tried to merdge my imagination with reality before sleep, and I constantly checked my hands and the clock.

I fell asleep, and at first I knew I was asleep but with no control. After the first period in the dream (I cannot tell you it because of what it was about, guns, sweet sweet guns *sigh*) Anyway, the second part I was in control, but I was a 3rd party observer. I was the captain of a ship in one of my latter works, captain/pilot of the SSF (sol system federation) horseshoe. The last part I had control over people and myself, nothing else, the last part of my dream I was at my KraKa transformed moons, swimming in kra`s light (the planet the moons orbit).
salyer
The best way I found to have a dream which comes close to being real and in control is to watch several episodes of a tv show. ( the shield) Try to get into the tv show emotionaly. After two or three hours go to bed. After I got this way down I am now working on detailed day dreaming while im trying to go to sleep. Seems to work pretty good, but the dream either seems too short or not in full control.
Randroid
Not to brag, but I think I must lucidly dream frequently. I've sort of just started trying to figure out how to do it, but everyones' descriptions of their experiences seem to be of things I am already able to do -- I can oftentimes manipulate situations and rewind certain scenes if they don't go my way, not to mention fly and give myself various other rad talents. I am also, more often than not, aware that I am dreaming.

Recently, I actually informed myself in my dream that I was dreaming lucidly. I remember that I was sitting in a tree, and that I could touch the leaves and brush my cheek against them, and I actually really did feel them.

I think the reason I am able to do this is because in my childhood I used to suffer from reccuring nightmares that were (for me, at least) incredibly frightening. I had to learn to fend them off, using various (and rather silly) techniques that my father, who also had nightmares when he was younger, would suggest. Thus, when I felt myself beginning to have a nightmare, I became able to work the situation to my advantage or force myself to wake up, in order to keep from being scared silly.

I think everyone is capable of lucid dreams. You just have to step back in your dream once in a while, and say, 'wait a minute', and realize that you are actually the one in control. Of course, that doesn't mean that your own mind won't still occasionally surprise you with the marvelous, bizarre things it has to throw your way -- if that were the case, I wouldn't enjoy dreaming at all. But it is fun to explore fantasies that you can feel as if you are really experiencing for a change.

I don't know if any of this helped at all, but good luck! I think all it really takes is practice. Start with something small (like waking yourself up, or conjuring an object in your pocket), and use that as a platform. I should also note that I appeared to have lost most of my ability in high school -- it was a pretty stifling time, both creatively and emotionally, and I often woke feeling as if I hadn't dreamed at all. It might be harder for you if you are really stressed, so try and relax yourself before bed by taking a bath, or drinking warm milk, or listening to music.

I really hope you get there!
crystal sage
rich foods...cheese.. before you go to bed seem to always work for me... and foods high on B6 or Berocca...

http://www.supplement-directory.com/articl...Food%20Sources/

QUOTE
VITAMIN B6
http://web.mit.edu/athletics/sportsmedicine/wcrvitamins.html
A water soluble vitamin, it must be used in combination with vitamin B12 for B12 to be absorbed. It is important in the function of the nervous system, it is involved in the function of 100 enzymes, for red blood cell formation and function, in the formation of niacin, in hormone function, nucleic acid synthesis and the immune system, helps in forming proteins and in protein and fat metabolism. Increased protein intake increases the need for vitamin B6.

Food Sources

Sunflower seeds, wheat germ, soybeans, walnuts, soybean flour, lentils, fortified cereals, bananas, lima beans, buckwheat flour, blackeye peas, brown rice, hazelnuts, chickpeas, salmon, skinless turkey, skinless chicken light meat, potatoes, spinach, vegetable juice, avocados, kale, rye flour, white fish, brussels sprouts, beef stewing steak, prunes, sweet potatoes, wholemeal bread, baked beans, frozen peas, and oranges.



Using Vitamin B6 for Dream Enhancement and Lucid Dreams
http://dreaminglife.org/2006/10/30/using-v...d-lucid-dreams/
crystal sage
wink2.gif ...or... a bottle of V8...
http://haveluciddreams.wordpress.com/2007/...ams-drink-this/

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Next time you go grocery shopping, pick up a few bottles of V8. Yeah… I mean that nasty vegetable juice that you can feel going down your throat. It may taste nasty, but it is VERY good for you. Not only is it the perfect substitute for those of us that hate vegetables, but it contains a few things that will greatly improve how vivid your dreams are!

A bottle of V8 contains two of the major discoveries in the world of lucid dreaming. It contains both melatonin and vitamin B6. Vitamin b6 does wonders for our dream recall and the vividness of our dreams. Taking B6 will increase the production of serotonin, which is a chemical released from our brain that makes us happy, thus causing more vivid dreams. Melatonin is a chemical released by the pineal gland that makes our body naturally relax and become tired. The combination of the two have been considered the magic that creates beautifully vivid dreams.

Sure, you could buy each of these things separately at your local pharmacy. In fact, this is what a lot of people do! Personally, I don’t really like taking a bunch of pills, just to try to improve my dreams. By drinking V8, I can get the same effect, without swallowing huge pills!


grin2.gif cool.gif I wonder if adding a bit of tobasco and a shot of Vodka would add or detract from this????
Mr Walker
First there is lucid dreaming (which statistically only a small percentage of people can remember experiencing). This simply means being aware that you are dereaming then sitting back and enjoying the ride. Next is controlled, lucid dreaming, which only a small percenttage of lucid dreamers report experiencing. At its most basic, this means taking control of your dream and steering it in a direction you want. It is difficult to do this without waking up, because an element of your conscious mind has entered your subconscious, and you are very close to becoming conscious/awake.

The final step(as far as I know), is creative, controlled, dreaming. Here you plan out your; dreamscape, its inhabitants, and its story lines in your waking/conscious world. You then transfer this to the subconscious mind, and create worlds, people, and stories which go on night after night.

Some how, I "learned" this ability as a young child. It may have been all the books I read even then. ( i was reading novels and daily papers by the time I was 3 or 4) Or it could have been a number of real world sources, my father and novels which suggested that no one should be afraid of dreams, rather they should control them. Starting with kids worlds of uniformed animals etc, I moved through scenarios like that of maniac mansion (years before computer games were invented, onto semi submerged and still partially operating flying saucers, where some surviving aliens and govt agents provided hazards to exploration.

These started when I was three or four, and have continued (though less regularly) in adult form to the age of 56. Today, looking at WOW online, my dreams were very similar. They had quests, objects of power you had to find, portals between pocket dreamscapes and sometimes symbolic keys you needed to find to open doorways or portals. There were orcs, goblins and other characters. Ironically my personally guard was leather and plate mail armoured, big rabbits, who looked like roman centurions and used short swords and bows.

The best advice I can give is that you need to make dream management a big part of your conscious/waking day. Talk about it, write, about it, practice your dreams during the day . Somehow, the conscious thoughts seem to seep over into the subconscious mental processing which controls our dreams.

Be aware, however, it can be addictive. As a dreamer whose dream sensations (colour, smell, sounds, taste etc) are identical to those in real life, it can also sometimes be confusing, after a time, as to which life is more real. This problem seems to lessen as adolescence moves into adulthood, and both one's perception of one's self/ego and one's experience /perception of the real world bedcme stronger/broader and more ingrained.

Good luck!

PS try creating an initial portal or symbolic entry to your dream scape. When I was very young, I used a simple trap door in our back yard. As a teenager it was a short passage beneath an old ruined house close too our home. Now I use a reflecting pond in a grassy glade surrounded by bamboos ( I think it is impt that no one can see you symbolically entering your dreamscapes)
dest_titor1
well, this is my third day of trying to become lucid, I have so far improved my dream memory greatly with a dream journal. My dreams are either so outrageous or so possibly but not likely, that it is hard to tell imagination from what I dreamt.
Turtle
Ever try Tibetian Dream Yoga?

http://www.plotinus.com/zhine_tibetan_dream_yoga_part2.htm
Randroid
Following up on what Mr. Walker said... it can be incredibly addicting. I'm anemic, so lucky for me I don't feel like I'm wasting my time when I decide to sleep all day -- but there have definitely been mornings where I'll wake up and decide I'd rather pursue the rest of the dream I was having, rather than an education ;)

I also have that problem of sometimes being unable to differentiate between events that happen in real life, and those that happen in my own head -- I'm glad I'm not alone in this, because I feel like a total spaz when I mention an experience to my friends that I am certain we had all shared, only to discover that I had actually dreamt it. You also might find yourself feeling oddly/differently about people after you've dreamt about them -- you might accidentally change your own perception of them, or perhaps discover how you really felt to begin with? I have no idea. At any rate, I've definitely found myself waking up from a dream unable to think about anybody but the individual I happened to be dreaming about. I dreamed a boy kissed me on the forehead once and have had a crush on him ever since.

... on the other side of the spectrum, a good friend of mine told me that his own friend once dreamed his girlfriend cheated on him with said friend, and it took him a while to get over feeling insecure about it. Probably because he's an idiot, anyway, but be aware that your dreams could potentially have an effect on your waking life.
Mademoiselle
Where is eight bits ?
eight bits
Right here, Sama original.gif

Dreamviews has already been posted (#3, by ex infernis). That is a large and experienced community especially interested in lucid dreaming. All that I could add is to look around there, i.e. WILDing is just one of the many things ending in LD you can find there.

Apart from bailing out or redirecting the occasional (and blessedly rare) nightmare, I have only dreamt lucidly once. I did not aspire to LDing, but it did tick me off that I couldn't just do it.

So, I meditated on it. A minute or two after I arose, I had a full-feature waking dream, right in my living room. I was watching it, and could still see the living room, too. I was wide awake, and you betcha I was aware that I was dreaming original.gif (You want a lucid dream? OK, buddy, dream this.)

And now, since I can say that I have done it, I have never seen any reason to do it again. That's just me. I wish the OP, and anyone else interested in exploring that territory all the best.
cladking
First off, if you're not experiencing the passage of time
while you sleep then you probably need to get a lot more
sleep. This happened to me only one time and I was ex-
tremely sleep deprived.

Next you need to pay a lot more attention to dreaming.
If you can't do it while you're asleep then do it awake.
Write down your dreams when you awaken. Think about
dreaming before drifting off. Pay attention to the way
your senses shut off as you fall asleep and try to exper-
ience them turning back on when you awaken. (This is
much more difficult). Eventually you'll probably be dream-
ing when you start to awaken and that's it. Just don't wake
up or go back to sleep. This is easy to say and harder to
do. Usually you'll start to wake up because of an "external"
influence like needing to use the bathroom or hearing a
noise so it can be helpful if you try to train yourself to awaken
at a certain time.

Maintaining control can be surprisingly difficult. Usually
the problem is waking up but once I got stuck kind of in
the middle. I had excellent control of the dream though
keep in mind that it's hard sometimes to tell whether you're
really controlling it or the ideas are coming from outside your
consciousness. I had gone to a restauranr in the dream when
I told my companion that it was turning into a nightmare and
I had to wake up. Several patrons overheard and were ve-
hemantly suggesting that I not awaken because it would be
the end of their existence. Even though I never noticed
loosing control and was still "lucid" I couldn't awaken. Fin-
ally I tried screaming but I screamed only in the dream.
Nothing worked until the adrenaline awoke me. It was not
a pleasant experience.

I believe dreams are just what the rain does when you're
not busy thinking. You can force these "thoughts" into a
mould of your choosing but they tend to want to go their
own way and you're likely to loose control if you try to af-
fect them.

I had done a lot of lucid dreaming before this but don't do
it any longer. Whenever I awaken during a dream I often
note that I was dreaming after awaking. When extremely
sleepy I'll even loose my eyesight and see a dream instead.


cladking
...And I used to be able to fall asleep standing up.
Kazahel
If you want to stay lucid for longer I found it helps to breathe slowly and in a relaxed way. I figured I was waking up from lucid dreams because I was getting too excited, so I used to slow down my breathing and it helped. When I was younger and was really focusing on lucid dreaming.. I could sometimes stay asleep from one dream to the next.. so I would be lucid in a dream and do lots of cool things, then I would find myself in a black place with just nothing(which tends to wake you up).. but if I breathed slowly and kept focus in a certain way I could wait it out until the next dream would appear. Which was a really cool thing because it was like being in a picture theater in the blackness, and then I would see a red curtain open, showing a scene playing which all of a sudden I'd just find myself in. Which was pretty cool and I used to do that lots when I was really keen. Sometimes it felt like I would stay lucid all night and I would have these gaps inbetween the dreams where I was in the blackness just waiting for the next one.

It also helps if you do impossible actions while you understand your lucid because it helps to remind you and keep you lucid. Sometimes you go lucid and lose it because you just drift into the normal dream and forget, but if you keep doing strange things you remember that you can. So if you go lucid jump through a wall or something and it kinda helps you stay lucid because you spin out at what you've done. If you just walk around normal you end up sometimes just drifting back into a normal dream. So do impossible stuff and try relax while you do it.

Anyway the first methods I used to learn to lucid dream was probably reality testing and where you tell yourself you'll know your dreaming while you fall asleep, and then everytime you wake up you remind yourself that you'll go lucid(I forget the name of it). You just keep doing that and you should eventually have one.

The coolest way I know to go lucid now is to learn to go lucid first.. and then run with your hands and really get used to that feeling(takes a few dreams..).. and then sometimes when your not even thinking about lucid dreaming you still find yourself running the same way in dreams, which then sends you lucid. So its like the impossible action becomes a habit and you seem to remember it more when your just dreaming in general.. which can trigger lucidity. Thats what I found because I went lucid many times after recognizing I was running with my hands superfast, then I would stop alittle and look at myself and see I was a wolf or lion.. like half shifted.. sometimes fully shifted.. but if I had never learned to run like that in lucid dreams I dont think I would dream those dreams normally. I'm not sure though.
dest_titor1
QUOTE (cladking @ Dec 31 2007, 10:58 PM) *
...And I used to be able to fall asleep standing up.


I can do that, did it at a restaurant and it made everyone mad!

Also, has anyone, been asleep and awake at the same time. Like, you play a video game all night fall asleep playing the game, and you think you are IN the video game when awake, but appear to be a dream but it is really happening .
eight bits
One of the most famous recent experiments in dream research involved "control" of dream content by playing video games (tetris) beforehand:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID...B81809EC588EF21
cladking
QUOTE (eight bits @ Jan 1 2008, 03:55 AM) *
One of the most famous recent experiments in dream research involved "control" of dream content by playing video games (tetris) beforehand:

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?articleID...B81809EC588EF21



Interesting.
Episteme
Reality test, reality test, reality test. While you're awake, do things frequently to make sure you're awake. Make it a habit, I've gotten to the point where I do this so frequently it's almost like OCD except that I've trained myself to do it. There are a million ways you can reality check. Check your watch, check it again, does the time line up with when you just checked it a few seconds ago? Better yet, make it a digital watch and flip through the settings, are they right? Is the sun in the right place for the time of day, are YOU in the right place? Make this a habit. Granted, it's not an easy thing to start doing, but if it's a habit, it will be a habit in your dreams and you will know when you are in a dream on a very regular basis. It works, and I really enjoy my dreams. grin2.gif
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