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UM-Bot
user posted image r'The fact is that the global temperature of 2007 is statistically the same as 2006 and every year since 2001' Global warming stopped? Surely not. What heresy is this? Haven’t we been told that the science of global warming is settled beyond doubt and that all that’s left to the so-called sceptics is the odd errant glacier that refuses to melt? Aren’t we told that if we don’t act now rising temperatures will render most of the surface of the Earth uninhabitable within our lifetimes? But as we digest these apocalyptic comments, read the recent IPCC’s Synthesis report that says climate change could become irreversible. Witness the drama at Bali as news emerges that something is not quite right in the global warming camp. With only few days remaining in 2007, the indications are the global temperature for this year is the same as that for 2006 – there has been no warming over the 12 months. But is this just a blip in the ever upward trend you may ask? No. The fact is that the global temperature of 2007 is statistically the same as 2006 as well as every year since 2001. Global warming has, temporarily or permanently, ceased. Temperatures across the world are not increasing as they should according to the fundamental theory behind global warming – the greenhouse effect. Something else is happening and it is vital that we find out what or else we may spend hundreds of billions of pounds needlessly. In principle the greenhouse effect is simple. Gases like carbon dioxide present in the atmosphere absorb outgoing infrared radiation from the earth’s surface causing some heat to be retained.

Consequently an increase in the atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases from human activities such as burning fossil fuels leads to an enhanced greenhouse effect. Thus the world warms, the climate changes and we are in trouble. The evidence for this hypothesis is the well established physics of the greenhouse effect itself and the correlation of increasing global carbon dioxide concentration with rising global temperature.

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jesspy
intresting but could be propaganda its all over the place

IMO if it has stopped yay but its probably reversing and we will get colder
chaoszerg
Even if it has stooped the weather is still acting crazy.
jesspy
QUOTE (chaoszerg @ Dec 28 2007, 10:53 PM) *
Even if it has stooped the weather is still acting crazy.



true we had a bad storm come through the other day it wa sthe weirdest tiniest cloud but it packed a mighty punch.
Essan
One can use statistics to prove anything, especially when one does not understand the data and is speaking to others who also do not understand the data wink2.gif

In climate terms, the question is whether 30 years is really long enough to discern a trend. The one thing all climatologists will agree on is that 7 years is not long enough a time period to prove anything - especially when one has to consider natural variablity that may affect trends over a multi decadal period.

(One can of course likewise argue the current warming trend has not yet been long enough to exceed natural variability wink2.gif )

Unfortunately media articles like this do nothing except confuse and mislead.
ships-cat
QUOTE (Essan @ Dec 28 2007, 12:51 PM) *
Unfortunately media articles like this do nothing except confuse and mislead.

Oh I don't know Essan... they make a useful counterbalance to some of the stuff coming out of the IPCC Summary for Policymakers document. (which - I presume - never mentioned this six year hiatus ? ).

Anyway, according to the UN, the discussion is over, and anyone casting doubt upon their models is a traitor and must be shot.

Please form an orderly line up to the wall people. (bring a jacket.. it's unseasonably cold outside) tongue.gif

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Repoman
QUOTE (SaRuMaN @ Dec 28 2007, 04:33 AM) *
Aren’t we told that if we don’t act now rising temperatures will render most of the surface of the Earth uninhabitable within our lifetimes?
No. Nobody has ever made this claim. And this sets the tone for rabid "anti" stance the author has obviously taken.

IronGhost
The article presents false data. According to the Goddard Institute of Space Studies, 2005 was the hottest year on record. It was hotter than 1998 because the 1998 figures did not factor in the warming of the Arctic region.

Check out the Goddard site here: http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/2005/

Also, data from the Climatic Research Unit, 1998 undermines the assertion that global warming "stopped" in that year. For example, the article did not mention the fact that five different years since 1998 (2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2005) have seen warmer temperatures than any year preceding 1998, again, according to the Climatic Research Unit, which I think is based in England.
Legatus Legionis
maybe global warming has not stopped, maybe the temperature we are experiencing now is the limit and now reversing back to the ICE AGE..

nah.. don't mind me. xD
Pinky Floyd
There are so many different ways to measure the 'mean' temperature of the planet..not one has risen to the top as the most accurate..


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The Coming Global Cooling?
Filed under: Temperature History —

An article has appeared in a recent issue of Meteorology and Atmospheric Physics with a curious title “Multi-scale analysis of global temperature changes and trend of a drop in temperature in the next 20 years.” Wow, that’s a mouthful! Imagine publishing a paper in a respected, peer-reviewed scientific journal in which you predict global cooling over the next few decades? Apparently, the authors were not moved by the 46.6 million websites found when doing a quick search of the internet for “global warming.”

The article was produced by Lin Zhen-Shan and Sun Xian of the Nanjing Normal University in China (obviously, English is not their first language, if you couldn’t tell from the title, and some of the following quotes from their article are a bit awkward). The work was funded by the Chinese National Science Foundation, and not by coal interests in China. We have no reason to suspect that Zhen-Shan and Xian are puppets of any group with any interest in denying global warming in the coming decades.
World Climate Report March 16, 2007

A very detailed, scientific report looking at all of this is at:http://icecap.us/images/uploads/200705-03AusIMMcorrected.pdf

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For any such dataset, the answer to the apparently innocent question posed in the heading depends entirely on the chosen end-points of the data being considered. For instance, using the Greenland ice core oxygen isotope data (proxy for local temperature), warming has taken place since 16 000 years ago, and also since 100 years ago (Davis and Bohling, 2001). Over intermediate time periods, however, cooling has occurred since 10 000 and 2000 years ago, and temperature stasis characterises both the last 700 years and (globally, from meteorological records) the last eight years. Considering these facts, is the temperature in Greenland warming or cooling?


Even the experts cannot agree..
brothers
If we have global warming as some are claiming then the ice caps must be melting and the oceans should be rising. But I don't see any information that the waters are rising anywhere on this planet. Am I wrong???
cerberusxp
LOL I told you so. Considering the Vikings lived and grew crops on Greenland what 700 or more years ago should tell us something. Also some of the scientists AL "GROSS" Gore has twisted their findings requested to have their names removed from that report.
Jewels1958
QUOTE (brothers @ Dec 28 2007, 02:46 PM) *
If we have global warming as some are claiming then the ice caps must be melting and the oceans should be rising. But I don't see any information that the waters are rising anywhere on this planet. Am I wrong???


The ice caps ARE melting, http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iI1loM...00uOZMwIMWYWALg , and here http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...arctic-ice.html , and here is a good article about some of the effects of this ice melt and what's to come including rising seas http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/qthinice.asp and here http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/12/24...s.ap/index.html
InHuman
I give up on this discussion.

Stop trying to justify reasons for you to help protect/harm the planet.

Just do the right thing no matter what the circumstance.
:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR:
QUOTE (Jewels1958 @ Dec 29 2007, 12:56 AM) *
The ice caps ARE melting, http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5iI1loM...00uOZMwIMWYWALg , and here http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...arctic-ice.html , and here is a good article about some of the effects of this ice melt and what's to come including rising seas http://www.nrdc.org/globalWarming/qthinice.asp and here http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/12/24...s.ap/index.html


Some of these articles are explaining sea ice melting. Although this is certainly a sure sign of a tempature climate change, this case won't rise sea levels itself since it's already in the water. Only ice breaking away from land would cause our seas to rise gradually. If Antarctica or Greenland's ice starts to melt from land and adds to the ocean, then this is where we can experience a rise.
cerberusxp
Look millions of gallons of water evaporate from the sea every day. It is then dispersed around the glob in the form of rain and snow. We are not having a catastrophy, get off the B. S.. Al Gores daddy fillabustered the civil rights bill along with his buddies who where members of the KKK. He is a coniving con artist. Get it through your heads this guy is SLIME.
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