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momentarylapseofreason
Look at this silly article. It boils my blood. (to me this is COMPLETE brainwashing)

Where is the proof that Satan exists & that he is a practicing scientist ? so all Science is pseudo-science>except if it saves your life

If science is Satan's tool>then there is not much sense in debating a christian using scientific arguments



Why Don't American Christians Act Like Christians?

This is the question we asked when we started this web site in the fall of 2000.

The answer is: Because they are not Christians.

The parable of the Wheat and Weeds (Matthew 13:24-30) tells us there will be nonbelievers (weeds) in the church among believers (wheat).

One of the biggest problems is that many people who call themselves "Christian" don't believe the Bible is true.

That's Satan's basic strategy... getting us to not trust or believe God's word. It started right at the beginning. What did Satan tell Eve in the Garden of Eden?

"Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the Lord God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, 'You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"

The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden, but God did say, 'You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.'"

"You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman. "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil." - Genesis 3:1-3 (NIV)

What has Satan done?

First, he casts doubt on the Word of God. He asks, "Did God really say this?"

Then he convinces Eve that God was trying to keep her away from something that was good for her. He tells her that if she ate from the tree, she'd be just like God. Wow!

Look what Satan has done. Satan has convinced her not to believe or trust the word of God. That is exactly what Satan is still doing today. That's why Christian don't act like Christians--they don't believe the word of God.

It starts with Genesis Chapter 1. The Bible clearly says that God created everything in six, 24-hour days. If that is not clear in Genesis, turn to Exodus 20:11



"For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day."

This is a very easy to understand verse. God created the world in six days. But we prefer to listen to Satan, who says, "Surely God must have created everything in millions of years." Remember, Satan is the father of all lies, and he is very good at it. He has us thinking that man's wisdom, in the form of science, is better than God's word--when the truth is that man's wisdom has not produced any proof the universe is billions of years old nor that life "evolved" from non-life.

So, are you going to listen to the creator of the universe, or are you going to listen to the father of all lies? Once Satan gets you believing that Genesis isn't true, then he has you in his grip. He has you in a position in which you feel God's word no longer has authority nor can it be trusted. From there he can easily convince you that divorce is okay (although God hates divorce - Malachi 2:16); that abortion is a woman's choice; and that not only is homosexuality acceptable, but homosexual marriage is okay with God!

It's your choice. You can go with Satan or you can believe the truth of God's word.


Okey dokey...now we just need proof that it's god's word >then we can buy the Satan BS.then we can believe the 6 day thingy


http://www.missiontoamerica.org/the_bible/...-christian.html
Walter Sullivan
Reading this made me a bit mad. What a stupid article! mad.gif I bet whoever wrote this is one of those people who hate the other religions & the other sects in Christianity. I'm really starting to lose respect for Christianity. disgust.gif
hairston630
Kol Erets or "days" has 3 meanings. A 12 hour period, 24 hour period, an unspecified period of time. How could their 24 hour periods on day 1-3 if the sun wasnt created until day 4?. How did God allow "the earth to grow vegetation on its own", without intervention on His behalf, in a 24 hour period?. I dont see where the earth and universe being millions of years old has ANYTHING to do with the intervention of satan (from a christians pov). And whats even more strange is that fact that the western world view (mostly) looks at the creation days as 24 hour days when the church fathers looked at the days of genesis as millions of years even before scientists knew how old the earth even was.

Kindly,

Hairston

But yes, that is a rediculous article. Its based off assumptions.

momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (hairston630 @ Dec 28 2007, 10:09 PM) *
Kol Erets or "days" has 3 meanings. A 12 hour period, 24 hour period, an unspecified period of time. How could their 24 hour periods on day 1-3 if the sun wasnt created until day 4?. How did God allow "the earth to grow vegetation on its own", without intervention on His behalf, in a 24 hour period?. I dont see where the earth and universe being millions of years old has ANYTHING to do with the intervention of satan (from a christians pov). And whats even more strange is that fact that the western world view (mostly) looks at the creation days as 24 hour days when the church fathers looked at the days of genesis as millions of years even before scientists knew how old the earth even was.

Kindly,

Hairston


Well that's what i thought when I was a christian>it was my explanation because I never discounted science (I couldn't)>but I think that's a valid explanation

Also man made of dirt ,I thought could be molecules/biological matter>god trying to explain something to men with little knowledge of science at that time

But then we have Noah's ark & talking snakes/donkeys left >know what I mean ?
Chauncy
I'll be the first to say that not all adherents to faith subscribe to the "Young Earth" gobbledygook.

Needless to say though that the teaching of a Young Earth is , IMO, irresponsibly foolish and propagandizes to nothing more than the credulous. I can't help but think of those poor timid spirits that are continually exposed to this nonsense, what of those who's ears and eyes know nothing more then what these teachings provide.

On the website there is a link here , that so ever slyly equates science with aetheism, in this comment :
QUOTE
How was the universe created?

The answer science (atheism) has is that there was a big bang


The medium in which this trash is brought to us is via the very science that these zealots berate (the internet, computers, microchips, electricity).

It angers me that these people would sit there and enjoy the very comforts that science has provided , then in a two faced motion admonish the manner in which it was provided. I'd sooner have them say thankyou to those daring souls that ventured forth free of deistic bondage, and continue on their way!
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (hairston630 @ Dec 28 2007, 10:09 PM) *
Kol Erets or "days" has 3 meanings. A 12 hour period, 24 hour period, an unspecified period of time. How could their 24 hour periods on day 1-3 if the sun wasnt created until day 4?. How did God allow "the earth to grow vegetation on its own", without intervention on His behalf, in a 24 hour period?. I dont see where the earth and universe being millions of years old has ANYTHING to do with the intervention of satan (from a christians pov). And whats even more strange is that fact that the western world view (mostly) looks at the creation days as 24 hour days when the church fathers looked at the days of genesis as millions of years even before scientists knew how old the earth even was.

Kindly,

Hairston

But yes, that is a rediculous article. Its based off assumptions.


It is a ridiculous article ,yes. But the bible is equally ridiculous to me, I'm sorry to say
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (Chauncy @ Dec 28 2007, 10:21 PM) *
The medium in which this trash is brought to us is via the very science that these zealots berate (the internet, computers, microchips, electricity).

It angers me that these people would sit there and enjoy the very comforts that science has provided , then in a two faced motion admonish the manner in which it was provided. I'd sooner have them say thankyou to those daring souls that ventured forth free of deistic bondage, and continue on their way!



I feel the same.
Cradle of Fish
Wouldn't they insult and offend god by saying that he made everything in 6 days, rather than through a slow and more beautiful process, laying down the fundamental laws of the universe etc?

They have to shrink their worldview so much that it diminishes the work of their God.
hairston630
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Dec 28 2007, 09:18 PM) *
Well that's what i thought when I was a christian>it was my explanation because I never discounted science (I couldn't)>but I think that's a valid explanation

Also dirt I thought could be molecules/biological matter>god trying to explain something to men with little knowledge of science at that time

But then we have Noah's ark & talking snakes/donkeys left >know what I mean ?


Yes there are some difficult things to swallow. Noahs ark being one. According to a group of korean naval architects the arks dimensions are actually the accurate dimensions of a modern day barge. Its extremely odd for these dimensions to be employed in the circa bc and be the proper dimensions to keep the ship from rolling, like utnapishtem's square cube. The animals couldnt be a problem as there were only so many types of animals in the mesopetamian area (being it that the flood was local), so fitting them all inside the ark would have been reasonable. The problem that I see arises from the support used (which is not mentioned) and what was used to keep it together. I find it difficult to believe that the ark would have been stable and supported by mere wood. I think there really is no way to know for sure outside of faith. As far as snakes and donkeys talking, I cannot give a natural explanation as these things would be classified as supernatural, but If God does indeed exist then it makes these things much easier to swallow. This is my unbiased opinion.

Kindly,

Hairston
hairston630
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Dec 28 2007, 09:21 PM) *
It is a ridiculous article ,yes. But the bible is equally ridiculous to me, I'm sorry to say


You dont have to apologize. I am not offended that you do not believe in the bible. To each his (her lol) own original.gif

Kindly,

Hairston
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (hairston630 @ Dec 28 2007, 10:31 PM) *
You dont have to apologize. I am not offended that you do not believe in the bible. To each his (her lol) own original.gif

Kindly,

Hairston



You are a jewel of a human being Hairston, you really are !!! yes.gif
Wombat
QUOTE (hairston630 @ Dec 28 2007, 09:30 PM) *
Yes there are some difficult things to swallow. Noahs ark being one. According to a group of korean naval architects the arks dimensions are actually the accurate dimensions of a modern day barge. Its extremely odd for these dimensions to be employed in the circa bc and be the proper dimensions to keep the ship from rolling, like utnapishtem's square cube. The animals couldnt be a problem as there were only so many types of animals in the mesopetamian area (being it that the flood was local), so fitting them all inside the ark would have been reasonable. The problem that I see arises from the support used (which is not mentioned) and what was used to keep it together. I find it difficult to believe that the ark would have been stable and supported by mere wood. I think there really is no way to know for sure outside of faith. As far as snakes and donkeys talking, I cannot give a natural explanation as these things would be classified as supernatural, but If God does indeed exist then it makes these things much easier to swallow. This is my unbiased opinion.

Kindly,

Hairston

Heh, the only way you can even begin to consider the possibility of Noah's ark is with faith, for science completely obliterates that crazy fairy tale.
Darkwind
I like science, if it wasn't for medical science I wouldn't be here. It also works well with my religion strange as that may sound. I fell in love with science as child looking at the stars, looking at swamp water though a microscope and living in nature in general. Science helps learn how the Universe functions. And we wouldn't have computers without science.
IamsSon
QUOTE (hairston630 @ Dec 28 2007, 03:30 PM) *
Yes there are some difficult things to swallow. Noahs ark being one. According to a group of korean naval architects the arks dimensions are actually the accurate dimensions of a modern day barge. Its extremely odd for these dimensions to be employed in the circa bc and be the proper dimensions to keep the ship from rolling, like utnapishtem's square cube. The animals couldnt be a problem as there were only so many types of animals in the mesopetamian area (being it that the flood was local), so fitting them all inside the ark would have been reasonable. The problem that I see arises from the support used (which is not mentioned) and what was used to keep it together. I find it difficult to believe that the ark would have been stable and supported by mere wood. I think there really is no way to know for sure outside of faith. As far as snakes and donkeys talking, I cannot give a natural explanation as these things would be classified as supernatural, but If God does indeed exist then it makes these things much easier to swallow. This is my unbiased opinion.

Kindly,

Hairston

Wouldn't the same apply to creation in 6 days? the account of Adam and Eve? or Noah's Ark? or...

I think looking for rational explanations for the various accounts we find in the Bible is a great thing, and it's something I also enjoying doing. I am not one who believes the Earth is 6,000 years old, I really find no basis in the Bible for establishing the age of Creation or the Earth, but I believe, for those of us who are "believers" it is always important to keep in mind that the rational explanations we find are only that, rational explanations, and may not be the truth because if we are accepting God, then we have to accept He can do anything He needs or desires to do.
Beckys_Mom
What are you all complaining about?? People have been writing and publishing trashy articles for years now LMAO that one is just one of so many trash articles ever written LOL

When you read something written by a bigot..it's OBVIOUS you will loose respect for the faith they claim to be from..call it a natural reaction....but when you read them a lot..you just get to the point where you say to yourself...this blokes an idiot and is not fit to tie my boot laces lol...

I have read my christian articles before and not all are this stupid and full of trash..so I over look the idiot statements posted in the OP...not all christian are that pig ignorant..only a few here and there are..but hey ..we all can relate in the same way!!


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__Kratos__
I'm glad I clicked, I needed that laugh. Though it's not unknown to most that those who reject christian teachings must be the devil's work... It's a very common theme all through out history... Purging the devil from the world is what they called brutal treatment to the 'servents of Lucifer'.
BlindMessiah
QUOTE (Beckys_Mom @ Dec 29 2007, 01:48 AM) *
What are you all complaining about?? People have been writing and publishing trashy articles for years now LMAO that one is just one of so many trash articles ever written LOL

When you read something written by a bigot..it's OBVIOUS you will loose respect for the faith they claim to be from..call it a natural reaction....but when you read them a lot..you just get to the point where you say to yourself...this blokes an idiot and is not fit to tie my boot laces lol...

I have read my christian articles before and not all are this stupid and full of trash..so I over look the idiot statements posted in the OP...not all christian are that pig ignorant..only a few here and there are..but hey ..we all can relate in the same way!!


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Well I would let them tie my shoelaces, but that's just me. Question for anyone, is the article calling for an abandonment of scientific research? One of those, doctors are evil, I'd rather die than be treated, sites or what? My computer won't load the page... stupid dial up.
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE (BlindMessiah @ Dec 29 2007, 02:03 AM) *
Well I would let them tie my shoelaces, but that's just me.

When I say someone is not fit to tie my boot laces..it means they are beneath me ..they have sank to a LOW!!! ..just an old fashioned saying!!
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE (__Kratos__ @ Dec 29 2007, 01:59 AM) *
I'm glad I clicked, I needed that laugh. Though it's not unknown to most that those who reject christian teachings must be the devil's work... It's a very common theme all through out history... Purging the devil from the world is what they called brutal treatment to the 'servents of Lucifer'.

Poor Satan...dude never gets a break...they blame him for everything...LOL...the sad part is..they actually believe this satan exists !!!!!!!!!!!! tongue.gif
Hawkins
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Dec 29 2007, 04:45 AM) *
That's Satan's basic strategy... getting us to not trust or believe God's word. It started right at the beginning. What did Satan tell Eve in the Garden of Eden?


Yep. The story of Eden is one of the biggest prophesy in the Holy Bible. It foretold that humans will behave so especially during the last days, that is, after they ate the apple.

So when is the time humans ate the APPLE?

WHEN?

Since the APPLE dropped on Isaac Newton's head which led to the explosion of SCIENCE.


What a coincidence.
__Kratos__
QUOTE (Beckys_Mom @ Dec 28 2007, 08:13 PM) *
Poor Satan...dude never gets a break...they blame him for everything...LOL...the sad part is..they actually believe this satan exists !!!!!!!!!!!! tongue.gif


Can't believe in one and ignore the other. tongue.gif

Though I'm off for a bit now... Gotta go do a Rite for Flereous. Demons can be soo demending... wink2.gif
Hawkins
QUOTE (Hawkins @ Dec 29 2007, 10:40 AM) *
Yep. The story of Eden is one of the biggest prophesy in the Holy Bible. It foretold that humans will behave so especially during the last days, that is, after they ate the apple.

So when is the time humans ate the APPLE?

WHEN?

Since the APPLE dropped on Isaac Newton's head which led to the explosion of SCIENCE.


What a coincidence.


Well that also explains why the need of Jesus coming. Because;

the day humans ate the apples, they should surely die the second death which is a spiritual death. If you are familiar with Law (knowledge of human laws is good enough) at all, you'll know that the only way to save those dead humans is through Jesus Christ.


If you don't know what I mean, go figure it out. wink2.gif
Omnaka
*snip*

Please do not quote large blocks of unnecessary text. Thanks Dot



What If satan was not lying, and God knew Adam would eat of the tree of Knowledge as Was Prophesised.

There is no Time in spirit, so your six days 24 hr days is your opinion, I happen to know six hundred years is a blink to God.
If you judge God's creation, then you Judge God and God's intentions, in creating such.

Do you judge God for making Hermaphrodites, or putting a Female spirit in a Male Body, or visa versa, do you judge God formaking crippled or special children?

You judge what you do not understand.

They did this to my brother Jesus too, Reincarnation is true, so you have no idea what you did in your last life, You may have even been a Judge Condemning Jesus, You have graduated to judging Homosexuals and God, good for you If it helps your spirit grow, which I have no doubt it will. I hope you get a good education.

Love Omnaka
Beckys_Mom
QUOTE (__Kratos__ @ Dec 29 2007, 02:45 AM) *
Can't believe in one and ignore the other. tongue.gif


I see this satan as a made up character in a book to sell christianity..and he is used to act as the blaming tool..point hte finger and chant he is to blame...lol
Chauncy
QUOTE
Yep. The story of Eden is one of the biggest prophesy in the Holy Bible. It foretold that humans will behave so especially during the last days, that is, after they ate the apple.

So when is the time humans ate the APPLE?

WHEN?

Since the APPLE dropped on Isaac Newton's head which led to the explosion of SCIENCE.


What a coincidence


Surely you jest!

Lets see Issaac Newton was born in 1643, his publication "Principia" which contains his laws of motion was made in 1687.

Well what is in direct contradiction to what you believe is the fact that science, indeed the use of the scientific method, has been around for millenia prior to Issaac......but hey don't let facts get in your way of religious propaganda.

Here give a read to a minor overview of the history of science:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_sc...#Early_cultures

It does bother me a tad bit that your walking around with these misconceptions , but what bothers me more is the fact that you are propogating them like some grotesque fungal infection.
Hawkins
QUOTE (Chauncy @ Dec 29 2007, 11:10 AM) *
Surely you jest!

Lets see Issaac Newton was born in 1643, his publication "Principia" which contains his laws of motion was made in 1687.

Well what is in direct contradiction to what you believe is the fact that science, indeed the use of the scientific method, has been around for millenia prior to Issaac......but hey don't let facts get in your way of religious propaganda.

Here give a read to a minor overview of the history of science:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_sc...#Early_cultures

It does bother me a tad bit that your walking around with these misconceptions , but what bothers me more is the fact that you are propogating them like some grotesque fungal infection.


You deny the fact the symbolically Newton stands for sciense. Eistein could be another thou.

Among all human scientists, choose a representative symbolic figure for sciense. Who you will choose?

Anyways, I don't insist, as everyone is entitled to his own opinions.

Just as Paul said, we talk spiritually. Hehe...
Chauncy
QUOTE
You deny the fact the symbolically Newton stands for sciense.You deny the fact the symbolically Newton stands for sciense. Eistein could be another thou.

Among all human scientists, choose a representative symbolic figure for sciense. Who you will choose?

Anyways, I don't insist, as everyone is entitled to his own opinions.


Yes I deny that Newton symbollically stands for science!

When I talk about science I do not base my conclusions on the symbolic nature of contributors of knowledge,devised by a credulous desire to morph science into some parody of fact in order to uphold an impotent facade of nonsensical religious slop.
Hawkins
QUOTE (Chauncy @ Dec 29 2007, 11:23 AM) *
Yes I deny that Newton symbollically stands for science!

When I talk about science I do not base my conclusions on the symbolic nature of contributors of knowledge,devised by a credulous desire to morph science into some parody of fact in order to uphold an impotent facade of nonsensical religious slop.


Anyways, I don't insist, as everyone is entitled to his own opinions.

Just as Paul said, we talk spiritually. Hehe...

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hairston630
QUOTE (IamsSon @ Dec 28 2007, 10:59 PM) *
Wouldn't the same apply to creation in 6 days? the account of Adam and Eve? or Noah's Ark? or...

I think looking for rational explanations for the various accounts we find in the Bible is a great thing, and it's something I also enjoying doing. I am not one who believes the Earth is 6,000 years old, I really find no basis in the Bible for establishing the age of Creation or the Earth, but I believe, for those of us who are "believers" it is always important to keep in mind that the rational explanations we find are only that, rational explanations, and may not be the truth because if we are accepting God, then we have to accept He can do anything He needs or desires to do.


I can agree to that yes.gif

Kindly,

Hairston
BlindMessiah
QUOTE (Beckys_Mom @ Dec 29 2007, 02:11 AM) *
When I say someone is not fit to tie my boot laces..it means they are beneath me ..they have sank to a LOW!!! ..just an old fashioned saying!!


I was obviously making a joke.
chaoszerg
Well I guess I best say..


Thank you Satan for giving us science so that those people who created that website could use that same science to be able to write that article and use a computer.
Darkwind
QUOTE (chaoszerg @ Dec 29 2007, 12:28 PM) *
Well I guess I best say..


Thank you Satan for giving us science so that those people who created that website could use that same science to be able to write that article and use a computer.

thumbsup.gif

What is the point of having a brain if you don't use it. The only consolation is when their computer brakes down they have to go to one of the minion's of Satan to get it fixed and Satan charges them through the nose cause they have know idea how their computer works. innocent.gif
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (Darkwind @ Dec 29 2007, 02:02 PM) *
thumbsup.gif

What is the point of having a brain if you don't use it. The only consolation is when their computer brakes down they have to go to one of the minion's of Satan to get it fixed and Satan charges them through the nose cause they have know idea how their computer works. innocent.gif




thumbsup.gif That's right, thank GOD for Satan ! wub.gif
Compline
Chauncy' "....It angers me that these people would sit there and enjoy the very comforts that science has provided , then in a two faced motion admonish the manner in which it was provided. I'd sooner have them say thankyou to those daring souls that ventured forth free of deistic bondage, and continue on their way!"

Relax,Bro. because there will ALWAYS be people like this. And even worse.

But with nothing whatsoever connected with the article, I believe in an evil force outside of ourselves maliciously urging us on to wickedness. Cannot explain it rationally, and entirely a matter of personal belief. No way such a creature could be a scientist bringing knowledge and useful inventions to mankind. Although there have been a few perversions possibly influenced .... Josef Mengele comes to mind.

Mademoiselle
QUOTE (Walter Sullivan @ Dec 28 2007, 11:06 PM) *
Reading this made me a bit mad. What a stupid article! mad.gif I bet whoever wrote this is one of those people who hate the other religions & the other sects in Christianity. I'm really starting to lose respect for Christianity. disgust.gif



You are not alone !
Doug1o29
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Dec 28 2007, 02:45 PM) *
One of the biggest problems is that many people who call themselves "Christian" don't believe the Bible is true.

As I understand it, the crucial tenant of Christianity, what you might call The Fundamental Theorem of Christianity is that Jesus rose from the dead (a miracle) and if you believe in Him (believe Jesus was God), you can too. If you believe that, you are a Christian, if you don't believe it, you are not a Christian: everything else is irrelevant.

This, of course, is just a theory, as unproven today as it was 2000 years ago.

How would you go about testing it? You might kill some Christians and see if they come back from the dead, but people (including Christians) have been doing this for 2000 years and, as far as I know, nobody has ever come back from the dead to say that it is possible.

So, Christians: How do you test your assumption that Jesus rose from the dead? How do you demonstrate the validity of your faith? Is this even possible? Or is Christianity an unreasonable proposition (not supported by reason)?
Doug
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