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louie
found this on youtube, apparantly its banned in the states an i can see why.
If it is really made by the mormons it shows racism an stupidty.
Whats your opnion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy0d1HbItOo
capoeiranger
Whoa, all of the godesses was blonde yumyum...

Oh, sorry I got carried away. Um...okay...sorry again.
Omnaka
It says on the header this is banned by the church.

It is sad, the redgiduice handed down from generation to generation.

The cartoon mixes some truth with bs, For instance Heavenly Father Has one wife. she is who most know as the Holy spirit.
I wont go in to detail on the rest of the BS, but this is a bad cartoon Imo.

I hope most mormans do not believe this way but if they do, Its on them .

Love Omnaka
Lt_Ripley
notice jesus was white , lucifer looked 'jewish' and had slanted eyes . and turning black ?


not to mention that mormons have tried to baptize a number of people who died in the holocaust . baptizing the dead so to speak.

Conversely, there has been some controversy involving Jewish groups who see elements of Mormonism as offensive. In the 1990s, Jewish groups vocally opposed the Mormon practice of baptism for the dead on behalf of Jewish survivors of the Holocaust. According to LDS Church general authority Monte J. Brough, "Mormons who baptized 380,000 Holocaust victims posthumously were motivated by love and compassion and did not understand their gesture might offend Jews ... they did not realize that what they intended as a 'Christian act of service' was 'misguided and insensitive.'"[4].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism

I've always found this site to be helpful.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/lds.htm

and sure LDS beliefs seem off the wall. but so do all religions when your honest and think about it , view them objectively.
SilverCougar
takeing forever to load >.<
norwood1026
Alot of mormons do not believe in more then one wife anymore only a few sects still do that. It's still a messed up video.
momentarylapseofreason
Here's the whole story>just as it was http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WbB9FgazJk
Omnaka
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Dec 30 2007, 08:36 PM) *
Here's the whole story>just as it was http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WbB9FgazJk

Funny,
I also saw Father in the woods behind my house, where He and Mother Baptised me.

Father also said I did not need a religion.
I wrote a book also, not looking to start a church though , just share some of what I have learned , talking with God the last couple of years.
Just started a new construction Buisness, and have not had too much time to put the book together, But Father said, It is written . so I'm not that worried about when it gets published.

Maybe Joseph dropped the seer stone when it came time to write about Skin color. God does not care what color skin anyone has, he Only sees the spirit inside, and loves all, unconditionally.

Love Omnaka
She-ra
Ummmm, yea, that was a bit freaky. I don't know much about the Mormon church, but then again, I DO NOT FOLLOW ANY ORGANIZED RELIGION. Yea... ummmm... quite at a loss for words here. huh.gif
Zhna
I don't get it! Where is the so called racism on that video? Did they openly hate colored people or burn crosses like KKK? The only thing racist that I have read of them is from their own writings when some tribe among men did rebel against Yahweh and because of that they were cursed with red skin color. Yahweh then is the true racist. And I don't blame Judas a bit as a gnostic. He were just a misunderstood hero, freeing his master Jesus from his physical mortal body, that's all. We have nothing against jews but with their religion, wordly ambitions(Among them Israel) and especially with their brainwashing and ever terrorizing Demiurg Yahweh. What if mormons still practised plural marriage? Some can do it in secrazy and others like those fundamentalist mormons do it openly. Gnostics are supporters of that kind of marriage anyway as the following goes for the gnostic women.

A man is for making children with if so be it by incest, a woman is for the myriads of pleasure by parthenogenesis, but the extasy is with them both.
chaoszerg
I found it so funny when God gets jiggy with Mary while Joseph is away.
She-ra
QUOTE (chaoszerg @ Dec 30 2007, 08:08 PM) *
I found it so funny when God gets jiggy with Mary while Joseph is away.

Okay THAT made me laugh really hard! w00t.gif



evancj
I don't think this was made by the church. It doesn't match allot of what my mormon friends have told me they believe. For instance why would they say that joseph smith was known for his tall tails? I would think if they made this cartoon they would have left that little tidbit of information out. The film also kept referring to them as "the mormons" where if the mormons made it they would they would have referred to themselves as "we" or as "the church of jesus christ of latter day saints" or LDS (latter day saints). They do not like being called mormons so why would they insult themselves like that? Lastly the LDS church has a lot of money; they would never make such a poorly drawn and produced cartoon.

It's just some more anti mormon propaganda, I see allot of that around here. I also see anti mormon picketing going on right outside the temple. As the mormons come out they are harassed by their fellow “real christians”. I don't really see what “real christians” have against them. While IMO they are not by any stretch of the imagination "saints". I do believe they are just as good and or bad as any other version of the christian religion.

Whats the big deal if their beliefs regarding christ and the bible are little more creative than your average christian’s belief?
315
It is what is in the Book of Mormon, exactly. I don't see the problem. If they don't like it perhaps they should change there beliefs to match those of modern society...and why not? They've changed their beliefs in the past to conform (i.e. the quick drop of polygamy when the government said they had to put a stop to it)
evancj
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Dec 30 2007, 01:36 PM) *
Here's the whole story>just as it was http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WbB9FgazJk


Man thats funny, thanks reason. laugh.gif
evancj
QUOTE (fylgja @ Dec 30 2007, 08:33 PM) *
It is what is in the Book of Mormon, exactly. I don't see the problem. If they don't like it perhaps they should change there beliefs to match those of modern society...and why not? They've changed their beliefs in the past to conform (i.e. the quick drop of polygamy when the government said they had to put a stop to it)


Why should that bother you?

I believe the OP was wondering if the Mormons made the cartoon.
Omnaka
QUOTE (chaoszerg @ Dec 31 2007, 01:08 AM) *
I found it so funny when God gets jiggy with Mary while Joseph is away.

I don't find that funny , especially because Father, Never got jiggy w/ The daughter Mary.
Begotten means Of Father and Mother only, Making the egg , of Father and Mother , which was placed in the Holy Host Mary by Mother (The Holy Spirit),

When I asked Mother about this , she said, You did not think your Father did it did you?

Knowing ful well I did and all of Earth thought along the same lines, but Father has the love of his eternity , and she is our Mother, Making Jokes about her will hurt the spirit, after one remembers and becomes full consciousness again (Spirit )

The only reason I mention this, is she is your mother of your eternal spirit, wether you know this or not.
She and Father will forgive you, but you won't.
I say this out of Love , and care .

Father please forgive those who do not know better, or know who you and Mother are.


Love Omnaka
chaoszerg
QUOTE (Omnaka @ Dec 31 2007, 04:08 AM) *
I don't find that funny , especially because Father, Never got jiggy w/ The daughter Mary.


Begotten means Of Father and Mother only, Making the egg , of Father and Mother , which was placed in the Holy Host Mary by Mother (The Holy Spirit),

When I asked Mother about this , she said, You did not think your Father did it did you?

Knowing ful well I did and all of Earth thought along the same lines, but Father has the love of his eternity , and she is our Mother, Making Jokes about her will hurt the spirit, after one remembers and becomes full consciousness again (Spirit )

The only reason I mention this, is she is your mother of your eternal spirit, wether you know this or not.
She and Father will forgive you, but you won't.
I say this out of Love , and care .

Father please forgive those who do not know better, or know who you and Mother are.


Love Omnaka


Omnaka I have difficulty believing you.
Rocket88
Sorry, i managed to watch exactly 56 seconds of the vid, before turning it off.
Born on another planet,death & resurrection, given a human body, elevated to god-like status ????
What a load of horse-sh** !
Omnaka
QUOTE (chaoszerg @ Dec 31 2007, 11:38 AM) *
Omnaka I have difficulty believing you.


It is understandable.

Love Omnaka
mariposa1
QUOTE (Zhna @ Dec 30 2007, 04:23 PM) *
I don't get it! Where is the so called racism on that video? Did they openly hate colored people or burn crosses like KKK? The only thing racist that I have read of them is from their own writings when some tribe among men did rebel against Yahweh and because of that they were cursed with red skin color. Yahweh then is the true racist. And I don't blame Judas a bit as a gnostic. He were just a misunderstood hero, freeing his master Jesus from his physical mortal body, that's all. We have nothing against jews but with their religion, wordly ambitions(Among them Israel) and especially with their brainwashing and ever terrorizing Demiurg Yahweh. What if mormons still practised plural marriage? Some can do it in secrazy and others like those fundamentalist mormons do it openly. Gnostics are supporters of that kind of marriage anyway as the following goes for the gnostic women.

A man is for making children with if so be it by incest, a woman is for the myriads of pleasure by parthenogenesis, but the extasy is with them both.


Interesting cartoon. Not flattering by any means, of course, but I am more of a live and let live kind of person. I myself wouldn't share my man with anyone; it's one man or no one. I am finally old enough to realize that I can do without a live-in. I think if they want to have plural marriages, then, go ahead, cater to selfish men. It's really not my thing. The theory of their religion though, is presented as so twisted and bizarre that I don't think that it could be a true representation. If it is, and they worship this poor delusional guy, then I feel very sorry for them. They will have a big surprise when they cross over.

As for you Z, there is no time or circumstance where incest is acceptable or necessary. People are gifted with God given "choice". That doesn't mean we should throw caution to the wind and say all things are OK. Some things should be left alone. Like incest, human sacrifice and cannibalism. I would say sexist and racism, but it never does any good for people who aren't exactly sure of where they really stand firmly about anything. It's all about not really knowing what will happen in the future, and fearing it. Believing in something and being wrong. Losing faith too young and feeling betrayed ever after. Later covered by sarcasm, cynicism, unconcern and a belief that death is just the end and that's it. So now it's safe to do everything and anything right? At least these people, from what I have seen are not lawbreakers of other kinds as far as I know. Just misguided, at least I think so. That is only my opinion and counts only to me, I do understand that and am not attacking anybody; unless you are "playing" with a family member.

The Jews......what a problem. There seems to be trouble about the Jews wherever they go. It's true, they have always dealt well with money, even in ancient times. They are natural capitalists. Many still say they are responsible for the death of Jesus. Some say they don't like the attitude and they get all too much help, always falling back on the Holocaust and how much they have suffered to get it. Many grumble that because of all the Jewish people in this country, they will bring us down with the misfortunes of Israel and our continuous support of them. So why not hate them? Because, despite the fact that they keep to their own society (and that is no small portion of their problem), they are our human brothers, as are the black people, the native people of all nations, the Chinese, the Russians etc. Everyone has suffered, no one has cornered the market. They all have religious beliefs, they are all different. This country has forgotten that it was based on religious freedom for everyone. What happened to that?

Mariposa1
Bee Eff
QUOTE (louie @ Dec 30 2007, 01:23 PM) *
found this on youtube, apparantly its banned in the states an i can see why.
If it is really made by the mormons it shows racism an stupidty.
Whats your opnion.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zy0d1HbItOo


I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the "Mormons". Here is a full rebuttal to the claims made in the cartoon shown, which is a cut from "The God Makers" a cartoon created by Ed Decker and Dave Hunt :

The Truth About "The God Makers"
by Gilbert W. Scharffs



QUOTE
From the introduction to the previously linked paper:

Kinds and Numbers of Errors Found in The God Makers

Repetition of charges from once to several times 169

Statements that were not true 141

Unwarranted conclusions based on known facts 131

Misinterpreted statements 125

Exaggerated statements 119

Broad generalizations 48

Significant quotes or charges without documentation 47

Historical material quoted out of context which altered the meaning 39

Scriptures quoted out of context or paraphrased incorrectly which altered the meaning 18

Footnote references that were not where they were indicated 7

Wrong footnote because the source copied by the authors had the wrong footnote also 5

All in all there are well over six hundred errors in The God Makers


We, "Mormons", would agree with the article I linked.
evancj
QUOTE (Bee Eff @ Jan 2 2008, 10:06 PM) *
I am a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the "Mormons". Here is a full rebuttal to the claims made in the cartoon shown, which is a cut from "The God Makers" a cartoon created by Ed Decker and Dave Hunt :

The Truth About "The God Makers"
by Gilbert W. Scharffs





We, "Mormons", would agree with the article I linked.


It's about time one of you guys showed up. I’m getting tired of defending you guys all the time.

I don’t know everything about the Mormons, but I do know you guys aren’t half as bad or weird as all your so called loving fellow Christian brethren seem to think.

Go get-em!!!!!
Zhna
QUOTE (chaoszerg @ Dec 31 2007, 02:08 AM) *
I found it so funny when God gets jiggy with Mary while Joseph is away.



What does that Joseph got to do it? Not by blaiming him, he probably got some other children with his niece Mary. But he is not the father of Jesus, nor Mary be his mother. No, Jesus is the Son of the Good Father and His beloved Daughter!
Bee Eff
QUOTE (evancj @ Jan 3 2008, 03:23 PM) *
It's about time one of you guys showed up. I’m getting tired of defending you guys all the time.

I don’t know everything about the Mormons, but I do know you guys aren’t half as bad or weird as all your so called loving fellow Christian brethren seem to think.

Go get-em!!!!!
Lol, yeah. We aren't as weird as they claim we are. The only real distinctions between Mormons and mainstream Christianity are the following:
  • We believe in the entirely separate nature of Christ, God the Father and the Holy Spirit
  • We believe in eternal progression with the possibility of maybe becoming like our Heavenly Father (although this does not imply He will not be our God even at this point, God will always be in the position he is in relation to us)
  • We believe in etrnal families, not "til death" families (thus, for us, family values are even more highly regarded than any other Christian could claim)
  • We believe our actions are relevant, not merely our faith alone.
  • We believe in a physical as well as spirit God, God is a spirit, but he is also physical.
  • We believe that temple work is allowing the dead the opportunity of accepting ordinances they did not receive while among the living.
  • We believe in current dialogue with God. Through a general single Prophet, Apostles, Seventies, and through personal revelation from God
It's too bad they have to attack us, but then, that's what the weak tend to do, attack others as a show of strength.

I will pop in from time to time and check on "Mormon" comments, who knows, maybe I'll be seen regularly.
Zhna
QUOTE (mariposa1 @ Dec 31 2007, 10:05 PM) *
Interesting cartoon. Not flattering by any means, of course, but I am more of a live and let live kind of person. I myself wouldn't share my man with anyone; it's one man or no one. I am finally old enough to realize that I can do without a live-in. I think if they want to have plural marriages, then, go ahead, cater to selfish men. It's really not my thing. The theory of their religion though, is presented as so twisted and bizarre that I don't think that it could be a true representation. If it is, and they worship this poor delusional guy, then I feel very sorry for them. They will have a big surprise when they cross over.

As for you Z, there is no time or circumstance where incest is acceptable or necessary. People are gifted with God given "choice". That doesn't mean we should throw caution to the wind and say all things are OK. Some things should be left alone. Like incest, human sacrifice and cannibalism. I would say sexist and racism, but it never does any good for people who aren't exactly sure of where they really stand firmly about anything. It's all about not really knowing what will happen in the future, and fearing it. Believing in something and being wrong. Losing faith too young and feeling betrayed ever after. Later covered by sarcasm, cynicism, unconcern and a belief that death is just the end and that's it. So now it's safe to do everything and anything right? At least these people, from what I have seen are not lawbreakers of other kinds as far as I know. Just misguided, at least I think so. That is only my opinion and counts only to me, I do understand that and am not attacking anybody; unless you are "playing" with a family member.

The Jews......what a problem. There seems to be trouble about the Jews wherever they go. It's true, they have always dealt well with money, even in ancient times. They are natural capitalists. Many still say they are responsible for the death of Jesus. Some say they don't like the attitude and they get all too much help, always falling back on the Holocaust and how much they have suffered to get it. Many grumble that because of all the Jewish people in this country, they will bring us down with the misfortunes of Israel and our continuous support of them. So why not hate them? Because, despite the fact that they keep to their own society (and that is no small portion of their problem), they are our human brothers, as are the black people, the native people of all nations, the Chinese, the Russians etc. Everyone has suffered, no one has cornered the market. They all have religious beliefs, they are all different. This country has forgotten that it was based on religious freedom for everyone. What happened to that?

Mariposa1



Nice with different religions that keeps the Drujs busy. What are bizarre? That they claim that Satan and Jesus are brothers? It is like to say that the Demiurg Yahweh is the father of Jesus while being the Devil himself. Or is it perhaps their five pointed stars, pentagrams that are turned upside down like in some satanic rituals? Well, I'm not a judge, may the Good Father take care. We gnostics too own that pentagram symbol, but among us it's top is pointed upward.

Incest is the very glorious thing ever. We gnostics are supporting father and daughter marriages because our Good Father is in eternal marriage with His beloved Daughter making those marriages to be the holiest of holy. Our beloved Prophet Zarathushtra did in fact marry his own daughters, like Pouruchishtra who was very exited about it in the Gathas. We support brother and sister marriages because of Zoe, the big sister gave live to Adam of light and is thus called the mother of all living by her brother husband. So with the big sister, be it whole or half, the man's marriage with her is a holier thing than if he was marriaged with his little sister or cousin. Should we then listen to men instead of God? Remember that we really aren't from this world at all, we are from above. None of our canonical works condemns it, be it the Avestan, New Testamental or Nag Hammadi scripts and other gnostic scripts. What does then incest have in common with lesbianism if not the goal of homozygotic society. Well, they are both for procreation! There ain't no better goal in life than that for most of the gnostics. Whole clones are even better than incest regardless of how close or not related they are. In fact, exogamy leeds to even more serious medical injury toward children than does incest or parthenogenesis. It only needs to be one of the parents with a dominant recessive gene to make it happen. Like the Druj Alfred C.Kinsey said "There are no medical ground or any other for not allowing it" and it's just a matter of time to being legalized anywere, everywere. So there are no really reason to be incestophobic fixed with all kind of superstitions(Which is unreality). It is accepted in France since Napoleon, it has always been accepted by tradition in Japan and even in Arkansas U.S what I have heard. When it comes to plural marriage, many gnostics would marry without hesitation 2 women if he is a man and a woman could marriage both a man and a woman like in that dear persian quote of mine. Others even if being tolerant, would not commit themselfs in such kind of marriage but choose to be monogamous instead and there are also those gnostics that are living in celibacy too like the apostle Paul. So it depends of which gnostic type they are of. Yes, we gnostics are more tolerant about certain thing than are the mainstream orthodox churches.

Of course! Everyone who is born gnostic are our brothers and sisters of light regardless of their skin color. I'm glad that you are that open minded regarding such of fact that skin color doesn't matter and about tolerating people of any denomination. Religious freedom is good but if some group boost up like the jews by claiming a whole country like Israel for themselfs, then what good does it do? Does mormons claim that the very state were they live is to be only theirs? We gnostics don't claim any country or state for our purpose but only some village here and there with some place of worship(Agiary) on some secret location of course. Muslims can be tolerant toward us gnostics like when the ottoman turks took over some of east european countries, the bogomiles were just recognized as millet just like any other religious group while the catholics almost exterminated our kind, the cathars from western europe.
mariposa1
QUOTE (Zhna @ Jan 3 2008, 06:44 PM) *
Nice with different religions that keeps the Drujs busy. What are bizarre? That they claim that Satan and Jesus are brothers? It is like to say that the Demiurg Yahweh is the father of Jesus while being the Devil himself. Or is it perhaps their five pointed stars, pentagrams that are turned upside down like in some satanic rituals? Well, I'm not a judge, may the Good Father take care. We gnostics too own that pentagram symbol, but among us it's top is pointed upward.

Incest is the very glorious thing ever. We gnostics are supporting father and daughter marriages because our Good Father is in eternal marriage with His beloved Daughter making those marriages to be the holiest of holy. Our beloved Prophet Zarathushtra did in fact marry his own daughters, like Pouruchishtra who was very exited about it in the Gathas. We support brother and sister marriages because of Zoe, the big sister gave live to Adam of light and is thus called the mother of all living by her brother husband. So with the big sister, be it whole or half, the man's marriage with her is a holier thing than if he was marriaged with his little sister or cousin. Should we then listen to men instead of God? Remember that we really aren't from this world at all, we are from above. None of our canonical works condemns it, be it the Avestan, New Testamental or Nag Hammadi scripts and other gnostic scripts. What does then incest have in common with lesbianism if not the goal of homozygotic society. Well, they are both for procreation! There ain't no better goal in life than that for most of the gnostics. Whole clones are even better than incest regardless of how close or not related they are. In fact, exogamy leeds to even more serious medical injury toward children than does incest or parthenogenesis. It only needs to be one of the parents with a dominant recessive gene to make it happen. Like the Druj Alfred C.Kinsey said "There are no medical ground or any other for not allowing it" and it's just a matter of time to being legalized anywere, everywere. So there are no really reason to be incestophobic fixed with all kind of superstitions(Which is unreality). It is accepted in France since Napoleon, it has always been accepted by tradition in Japan and even in Arkansas U.S what I have heard. When it comes to plural marriage, many gnostics would marry without hesitation 2 women if he is a man and a woman could marriage both a man and a woman like in that dear persian quote of mine. Others even if being tolerant, would not commit themselfs in such kind of marriage but choose to be monogamous instead and there are also those gnostics that are living in celibacy too like the apostle Paul. So it depends of which gnostic type they are of. Yes, we gnostics are more tolerant about certain thing than are the mainstream orthodox churches.

Of course! Everyone who is born gnostic are our brothers and sisters of light regardless of their skin color. I'm glad that you are that open minded regarding such of fact that skin color doesn't matter and about tolerating people of any denomination. Religious freedom is good but if some group boost up like the jews by claiming a whole country like Israel for themselfs, then what good does it do? Does mormons claim that the very state were they live is to be only theirs? We gnostics don't claim any country or state for our purpose but only some village here and there with some place of worship(Agiary) on some secret location of course. Muslims can be tolerant toward us gnostics like when the ottoman turks took over some of east european countries, the bogomiles were just recognized as millet just like any other religious group while the catholics almost exterminated our kind, the cathars from western europe.


OK "brother", firstly, you have to know that today's Muslims would NOT be tolerant of you. They want a Muslim world and I don't believe I've heard anything about incest being a part of their theology, though I could be mistaken. Secondly, I am a VICTIM of incest and I didn't think it was great, in fact, it took therapy to get me out of that repeating nightmare! So anything you said about it, well, I would have given both my eyes to have that part of my life deleted entirely! I wait patiently for his time on this plane to end so I can take one decent clean breath. I doubt his light is very bright, and he will have many lives to live to make up for this one and even get a glimpse of the Father's eternal light. I don't hate him anymore, he lives his own reality. I live mine and have managed to sluff off the things that I have had no control over. I've had to forgive and forget my mistakes and other's so I could move forward. I have managed to retain my love of life and compassion for others. I cannot condone the thing that I still see as deviant behavior, I'm sorry. I merely think that religious freedom is a right in this country. Just as freedom of speech is. Sometimes we suffer because it will include those who would use that right to further their own agenda; like the Skinheads, KKK, the Neo-Nazis etc. I would consider you one such group if this is truly the way you believe you should behave with your own children. Your reality, not mine.

Mariposa1
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