Angels are spirits of the highest order, Created By Father in Heaven. Jesus is an Angel, Infact all sons of God are angels.

You make them sound as if they are less than the average Spirit, it is the oposite.

My source Is Heavenly Father, Yes we can converse.

Lucifer did much to separate the wheat from the chaff, and is Blessed By Father and the Holy host for his part in giving many an education.

Being Loved By Father is an eternal thing, not a one time deal, or untill one makes an bad decision.

Do you really think Father did not know what lucifer was up to, that it was not a part of the plan of God?

Or that Adam would do what he did? How easy would it have been to just stick the tree of Knowledge someplace besides wher Adam was.

All in the plan.

If a murderer can be loved By God and be redeemed , do you not think Father would redeem a special son (lucifer)?

Love Omnaka

Thats funny cause I even drew around it...

Im glad you get one on ones with the Almighty, but you can't just say things that sound profound, say they came from God and expect people to not question you.
i did not say they are less than the average spirit, I said they were not created for free will, they were created as servents. Angels cannot choose to believe in God they have to, because they know he exists. They can choose to betray his will thus falling. Lucifer is not still in heaven as a "son of god" he was and angel and Hell was created to house him and be was banished from heaven for his immense amount of pride.
God knows and doesn't know. He knows all of the paths that you can take in life but doesn't force you to choose them, God knows all of the consequences for which one you choose and the next set of choices you will be given and so forth....you still get to choose which path you take it is not predetermined.

Lucifer repented and was redeemed long ago, is it that hard to believe Father would forgive, an angel with a higher disposition for love and grace ?

If an angel has no freewill, How is it that Lucifer rebelled in the first place, Contradiction.

He is the prodigal spirit son who returned after learning a thing or two about a thing or two, we cannot judge his experience, or his redemption, or his Love for God or us.

Judas also was only playing a part in the big picture, do any believe Jesus did not know he was going to be betrayed by Judas, Or that Father did not set the whole thing in to play before their spirits were sent down incarnate?

The Angels are Fathers special sons, THey are the spirit sons whos eternal spirit Got a tear to go with their breath of Life when the spirit was created , or born.

Lucifer is loved By Father even if you think not, Words and books do not dictate Gods love .

Angels have free will also, they are spirit also but their predisposition of Love and goodness says they will serve, not because they have no choice but because they want to and their will is God's will, God's will is their will.

It's like why do I love God? Because God loves Me.

Lucifer did much to give mankind a Look at good and evil, How can one know one without knowing the other?

Its why we are down here in the first place, to get an education of the eternal spirit, not the body, which disapears back in to the dust it was made from. Father does not fault his children, or love them les for getting this education.

Do you forgive your child when he messes up? Or do you cut him out of your will, and Love. I know some probably do hate their children, and do not love them when they mess up, This is sad, I'm Glad I know Father's love is Unconditional, No I do not take advantage of This fact, But it is quite comforting to know, being that Iam a Spirit having a Human experience, and Father knows How hard this education can be.




Love Omnaka

Um. yes. here is why. God let down his wrath on Egypt, let down his wrath on Soddom and Gomorrah, flooded the earth completely out of anger. and more.. God is a loving God. God is a Jealous God, and God will be angry also. So Yeah when Lucifer said No i will bow down no longer I want to be LIKE YOU. God because furious and banashed him and his followers to Hell. where they would be separated from God for eternity and that was his punishment for pride.

Its Ok you can judge Him by some words written on Paper, You have your belief and I have Mine, God does not Hate I know this. You never answered My Question About the kids when they mess up.

Would you still love them, and forgive them anything?
I would, Am I better than God because I know this unconditional love ? No! Because it is Father (God ) And Mother The Holy spirit which taught this love to me when my spirit was created in Heaven, Our true home, (Well, mine any way . We all believe diferently)
Angels are sons of God, and Make up our heavenly Family,

Love Omnaka

If you put words in God's mouth as readily as you put them in mine it is no surprise how many false statements you are spitting out. Like you are practicing in order to audition as a false prophit when that time comes. Not one time have I said that GOD HATES. I said he is a loving, yet jealous and angry God. Which are his own words and the words of his most devout followers
God is a jealous God. it is not some words on paper, he had his favorite people wander around a desert for taking out their nose and earrings and making a calf out of it while he was writing his laws with Moses, one of them being Pray to no other god before me. that is jealousy.

your question wasn't about kids when they mess up. your question is about Lucifer...who was not a kid, existed on orders, and God knows the difference between a kid messing up, and a consious decision of betrayal. I do not cast judgement on people. I can not condemn you. That isn't my job. my job is to believe and thats what i do.

You said God did not forgive lucifer, What is that Love. Because all that God created (All Spirits) Are Gods childre Do you really think God would not forgive one of Gods creations, knowing they , Mortal and Imortal would make Mistakes , You called Lucifers Mistake, a conscious Betrayal, That is Judging Lucifer, and if God did Absolve Him(Lucifer) Then You are judging God, and God's love, and or who he can and can't , will or wont Love and Forgive, In essence trying To limit God.

Yes Lucifer is redeemed ..
Those who made the calf were Still waiting for the Tablets to come down the mountain, so no laws were broken. Moses Got Mad though.

God has children that areAeons old, Just because you cant forgive some for their transgressions does not Mean Father did not.
Pray to no other God before Me, Except the son whic I will be sending Soon, I must have missed that last part.

The only thing Father wrote was those comandments with Gods finger , If you want to call it that.

It said nothing about Jesus being The Son, he is a Son, Even jesus knows that, I'm sorry you don't
Love Omnaka

Obviously God did not forgive Lucifer. He banished him to Hell and he became Satan, Belzebub, and all the other names for him. and are we seriously back to the whole Jesus being the son or a son or the son or the sun thing.

You are spraying false statements all over the place with no source other than God poured it into your head. and like I said Good for you with your one on one...but Even Joseph Smith the founder of the mormon Church came back with "tablets from god" I can't say whether or not mormonism is a true following of christ but it doesn't matter in this topic. You are either really believing that God talks to you and walking around with your nose so far in the air you will never touch anyones heart which is the opposite of what God would want by the way.......or you need to seek help soon.

because the next thing I expect you to say is that God told you to kill me and you are on your way.


I spent my early teen years in service of God through street drama in developing countries. I know a firsthand thing or two about the following things, Miracles, demonic warfare, posession, tounges, blessing, Satan, and a few other things. God does not converse with me and tell me secrets that he has told no one else. He does however back up my pleas for healing, and the other stuff. It is very personal and I don't want to get anymore into it, but you need to Know Lucifer is Satan, he is not redeemed. God punished Lucifer for eternity. and BTW what exactly is your religion.

Lucifer is not Satan, Just because You interpret some words in a book does not mean you have interpreted it right It makes it your opinion.

God forgiving and Loving all Does touch many hearts, and your preaching that God created something so that he could damn it to Hell Is Not only Un Christ like and Ungodly , but puts People in Fear of God instead of Unconditionally loving God.

You obviously Don't know a thing about Me , I abhore Killing and Believe you have a right to express your self and believe what ever you want, God never btells anyone to kill, well except maybe Bush , But I don't believe him either.

God does not pour False statements in to my Head. Father And mother, The Holy spirit started Coming to visit me For My enlightenment when I was 39, To answer all my questions. Father still comes when I ask. It is understandable That you don't believe me but does not change who Iam to God.

My nose is not in the air, I am a carpenter who does a n Honest Job for an honest dollar, Ii usualluy just tell of the love Of God , but you find it in your heart to tell of Judgements of God and Lucifer , stuff you only have read about in books written by Man , Sorry sis its not all in that book so I thought I'd share what I know about God, and that is nothing he created is with out His love and compassion, God does not create to see his creadion suffer in hell. Hell is where the repentant child of God sends himself because He is ashamed , and can not stand near Fathers love light. The child does it, not God, and it is not forever. So yea Your God is not my God, My god said thou shalt not Kill and Does not create so he can punish and watch his creation suffer.

Jesus My Brother has also visited . believe or not does not chang That he did.

I was born a Jew, Ran away at 12, 9Thought I could raise My self Better than any adult, Checked out as many religions as I could, None of them Jibed with the love From God I recieved On Earth or in Heaven, Yes ,I Rember Heaven where My real home is.

My religion is unconditional love, The same religion, or way of life lived In Heaven.
Its How worlds are created, If you do not understand this , don't worry about it, Not all are meant to.

See, we have no Hate , Harbored or otherwise in Heaven, and if one hates Even Lucifer , This will leave Harbored Hate in your spirit heart and you will be the first to proclaim you are not worthy to enter the place Of Love and Rest .

Not to worry cause there are many levels of heaven, and there Is a special one for people who do Good and Judge others, you will be in good company.

Might even think it is the top of heaven, because you will be with friends who think just like you, everything being relative, and an person who liked to cheat and steal, kill and hurt others will go to a place Just like that, with friends just like that, he might think it is the top of Heaven.

Someplace for everyone.

Love Omnaka

you are supposed to fear God.
http://www.feargod.net/verses.php

you have him fixed your head as some kind of lovey dovey teddy bear. God is a fearsome force with much blessings and love for us. An exceptional amount of understanding, but that does not make him weak or tollerant of everything.

and Isaiah is a neato burrito place to look for satan an lucifer being the same person....matter of fact for centuries it has been accepted that Satan and Lucifer are the same being and only very recently has it been theorized that they are not the same being...

I did not say he created something in order to damn it to hell. He did create something, it was glorious, it experienced pride and it was punished for it.

I didn't say that you delighted in killing I said I expect you to say that God is telling you to kill me, which in fact is just my way of saying that you will probably say something else outrageous.


here is the deal sister. We are all sinners and do not deserve God's time of day. He however out of love gives us that time. We are hopelessly sinful and can't stop and he goes on loving and guiding and teaching. But he has his limits and he will rain down what ever he has to....He created us he can destroy us. as he had proven.

i do not follow a doctrine so don't think that I am just spitting out what I heard in church. I read the bible myself and study all kinds of angles and aspects. But the things that you are saying border on occultist...your religion is unconditional love. LOVE does not mean no anger, or retribution. There is rightous anger. and your parents that love you unconditionally still punish you..... forgiveness, regret or not....

How you can even say that my God is not your God I don't know...there is one God and

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (1 john 1:1)

I want to know where you are learning what you are saying other than it coming out of your own head.

You are hardly one to talk about Omnaka. I have shown you both fully documented proof that lucifer never existed, that this is a mistranslation of a passage about the King of Babylon. Jesus never mentioned Lucifer, the Gospel writers never mentioned Lucifer. There are countless reputable sources, including Christian experts that all agree. By continuing to acknowledge a biblical character that is merely a misunderstanding by ignorant Roman Christians who could not read Hebrew, you BOTH bring ridicule to Christianity.

And if you really think Satan is a proper name and that God threw him out of Heaven after Eden, then why is he all buddy buddy with God, back in heaven having a contest with God that results in the deaths of Jobs family just so God could prove a point to Satan?

Being in Heaven is not the only way to talk to God.
I googled the same site you googled with your "documented proof" which is not in fact proof but just another opinion, and not even a widely accepted one. I don't think God threw Satan out of heaven after eden. matter of fact LONG before God created the earth is when the first battle waged, something like thousands of years....of which none of us can bring proof we weren't there....but if you are going to say that a quoted verse of the bible is wrong at least know what it says because it says nothing about Eden.

Being in Heaven is not the only way to talk to God.
I googled the same site you googled with your "documented proof" which is not in fact proof but just another opinion, and not even a widely accepted one. I don't think God threw Satan out of heaven after eden. matter of fact LONG before God created the earth is when the first battle waged, something like thousands of years....of which none of us can bring proof we weren't there....but if you are going to say that a quoted verse of the bible is wrong at least know what it says because it says nothing about Eden.

One More time Read slower I started getting Visits from God for the last half Of My life. I get what I know from studying Father's word, straight from Father's answering my Questions, Yes Father Can talk, Yes the bible was inspired by Father and the holy Host , But you have not interpreted Many things in that beginners book of life, and it does not give you a platform from which to Judge God's angels, or The other children of God.

In the beginning was Love, Not word, And if you really want to get picky about it in the beginning was thought, logically speaking One must think before he speaksa word or it won't make sense. Father(God) Is logical, more than you could imagine. Father does not seek retrobution On any of Gods children, If they dont want to be with His love they can leave, Them not liking God does not Make God stick them in a pit, It has no bering on God's unconditional love.

I agree we are all sinners, I disagree That we don't deserve Gods love, It was given unconditionally at the birth of every spirit.
I must be worthy , Because God , who consists of a Father and Mother Eternal spirit Visit me. and share this love .
No God does not visit everyone In the way God visits me, but then again, You are not me. and not to many could deal with it with out going to the loony house , or being put ther by someone else.

Reincarnation is true, This you would not want to believe because it means all your judgement, is not worthy , do you know what you did in your last life?

I tell you now Lucifer is still one Of God's angels, and a brother to Jesus and myself. So picking apart the lives of those in a book , does not change who these are to God , your interpretations mean nothing to those bros and sisters written in the book. If you get how to judge others instead of a love story Then I think you misinterpret the words.

God Loves all Gods children Worshiping in spirit does not mean reading a book of words. The spirit is love.
God does not destroy the spirit which he hath made, no matter how bad it is.

Some may feel of no use to the universe, and ask to be reabsorbed Back in to the firmament from which all spirit is made, but thios is not a painful thing , nor is it punishment, it is done out of love for the spirit which suffers , Because it screws up every time it is sent down to l;earn. Its as if one never was. Hell is where the repentant child of God sends him self out of Remorse for how he acted while away from Home. God only gives him a place to repent. This is not forever, hust untill He is ready to try again.

All ar Praised By god for learning Good bad and Ugly then making it Back to love as an experienced Spirit.

One cannot learn this stuff in our Heaven where the spirit was Created, and loved, simply because there is only love,

Only on Earth can you learn forgiveness And compassion, by Experience.
Its why we are here.

Yes Father can be quite fearsome, and has knocked me around Quite a bit in all my lives but not because he was mad at me, becaues He loves me and wants me to learn the lessons we talked about before he incarnated my spirit bin to this body.

So what you seem to think of as wrath and destruction is also love and education. Father, does not Kill for revenge Or out of spite, for us getting an education. if Father calls you home, it is because he loves you. THe real life is in spirit, not this .

If your child screws up, you would punish them out of love , but not wish them to sit in hell for an eternity or ever.

If this is your Love twards a child, Know Gods love Is better and God does not punish and then throw them in a pit. Because I know father, I will say that is blasphemy, But at the same time it is understandable because it is what you have been taught.

You will find it to be blasphemy also once you become full consciousness again (Spirit)

I have been to Heaven in this life, I cannot retain Much when passing back through the veil. and its hard to write about my experience . So Father slows his vibration and come to me, so I can retain and write about our experiences.

No I'm not trying to start a cu;lt or New religion, Just share what I have learned.

The religion is love, and you don't need a preacher or church to Make it or practice it. One does not need a book either.

People who have never heard Of Jesus can give it and recieve it. Its not true if it has a price, is conditional Or given out of Fear.

Think God wants love out of fear? That is not love, its fear, and Father is no dictator His power lay in his love.


Love Omnaka

I never said you get reincarnated in to the same Body, You think God wants you telling little kids they will rot in hell for an eternity Scaring the bejeebs out of them? You think this is what God wants LOve wrought from Fear?

Your book learned Fear tactics are exactly what scares people away from your message of God.

Your Idea of God as a dictator who Relishes punishment and scares and threatens to get love.

God's love is unconditional, This is something to strive for, not putting conditions on love because you think it is what God does , If its bought or solicited it is not true love.

Ya KNow There were probably pepole who did not believe My brother Jesus when he said he Talked to God also,
Ya think he might have needed to see someone about that?

Bet you are glad you were not around Back then Huh?


I feel sorry for you Rave girl.

Love Omnaka

This does not preclude god being perfect. It just means that he cannot be, as logic would show, two contradictory things at once. Because god chose to create his sentient beings with free will, he cannot also know in advance every decision they WILL make (only every decision they CAN POSSIBLY make)
God could have created a universe in which every outcome was known, and predictable, (predestined) but then his creations could not have been given free will. I tend to think that, being both creative and loving, god chose the better of the two choices.

I have a slightly different perspective to most, because god has physically, and overtly; both warned me of future dangers, and provided miraculous methods of escaping dangers. (miraculous defined as outside the presently known and explicable laws of physics)

Thus as well as knowing that god exists, I also know that he chooses to intervene directly to change the consequences of actions we take. This would not be necessary, or possible, if our actions and consequences had been predestined since creation.

The bible is full of stories of god's efforts to save individuals, and societies, from the consequences of actions which emanated from free choice.

Well said, Very Logical.
Also,who's to say that us having freewill is not perfect?

Love Omnaka

Drakonic chronicler that is a fairly liberal translation/interpretation to make from this text.

Job ! :7 And the lord said unto satan, whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the lord and said, From going to and fro in the earth and from walking up and down in it.

A more classic interpretation would be that god was suprised to see satan.

Satan was continuing to his ongoing efforts to try and undermine god's authority with the heavenly hierachy. Job 9 verse 6 Now there was a day when the sons of god came to present themselves before the lord, and satan also came with them)

There is also the strong implication, consistent with the linear bible story, that this was after satan/lucifer had been exiled to earth, and this was why he answered the way he did, and why god was suprised to see him. There is no evidence that lucifer/satan lost any of his angelic powers when he was exiled to earth, and so if he was prepared to take the chance, and had a good reason, every possibility that he could appear in the presence of god. As the entire context of job illustrates. God and satan had diametrically opposed motives /purposes in this scenario.
It was necessary for god to remove his protection from jo,b and to give satan authority to harm him, to prove to other heavenly observers that a man, even a persrcuted one, could remain faithful to gods' laws and to continue loving god. Otherwise Lucifer/satan/ the great deceiver would have had a convincing argument in his battle with god for authority in heaven. He did, after all, make what seemed like a convincing argument until Job proved his words to be false.

idont know what to think aboutall his

I'd have to disagree because you have forgotten that we have 3,000 years of hebrew speaking experts who understand that these "Satans" are prosecutors in the heavenly court, and sent to test/punish mankind. Jesus was being tested by a Satan in the temptations. But the Satan was sent by God to test him, just as he tested Balaam, David, Job, etc. For a short time, the Jews made the a Satan into a bogey man which we see in the Zoroastrian inspired Book of Enoch, which gave Chrisitanity many of its ideas. But later, the Jews realized this powerful opponent satan was a misunderstanding based on the influence of Pagan Zoroastrianism during the Babylonian captivity.

Check nearly all Jewish sources, including the Jewish Encyclopedia and you will see that Satan is not identified with the serpent in the garden (which as I explained before, is a misunderstanding of the much older Sumerian version, and it is Enki-Yahweh Himself who is the "great serpent dragon" who tricks Adam so he will not be granted eternal life (becoming an angel) by Anu-El, the Creator God of the Bible who is a seperate diety from the fire breathing, winged, virgin eating Yahweh dragon. This original Eden story was already 1000 years old in the time of Moses, and the illiterate Hebrews had changed it considerably in that time, though it is clear it is the same story, for the Sumerian Eden is named, there is a talking serpent dragon, there is a man named Adam, and the "serpent" tricks him out of eternal life. In order to understand the Bible, and the Judao-Christian dieties, we must go back to the oldest sources.

Think, Man, it's one of Satan's lies. He whirled in your head. Translated correctly in street slang: Keep your friends close, your enemies even closer.

It's an attempt to identify with the evil force within yourself. I'd suggest praying over it, since you've got there big book in your hand.

It's an attempt for goodness sake: Political correctness, Go GREEN! YOu know, the '_green_' ones will get you through hump day!

draconic chroniclaer...do you speak hebrew yourself?