False prophets, anyone, 'by their fruits ye shall know them'.

And yet there is at least one leader who has caused hospitals and universities built in his name and who is quite an evil man.

Pray, hope and don't worry.

I don't know how you got all that from what I said. What does your sister in law's higher self experience have any thing to do with what I was talking about? I have experienced my higher self speaking to the Gods. Very strange I must say. I knew what was going on but I wasn't privy to the conversation, but it worked and I was rid of my depression for a year. Which was nice because my depression is physical in nature and can get pretty bad.
I just don't see from the perspective of the Bible. To me the Bible is a morality play like Shakespeare. There are many books like it in the writings of man: Gilgamesh, The Odyssey, The Iliad, The writings of the Egyptians and The Lord of Rings. In the time of Mesopotamia the tail of Gilgamesh was believed as the Bible is today. Maybe someday people will see the Bible as mythology and the Lord of the Rings as fact. I hope not but you never know what people will latch on to.
You will just have to understand my belief system is very different from yours but it is no less valid. I just put forth my thoughts whether or not you believe them or not is up to you. I just like to see people expand their horizons. If you don't want to that is ok.

Ahh my rain spell worked it is raining. How nice we needed rain.

That is druidian blasphemy !!!

Now that is what I call TRULY "unconditional" love on the part of god.

The biblical god DOES NOT exhibit unconditional love as many christians claim

OR maybe God understands love better than we do.

Yes, there are numerous examples of that in the bible

I agree. For example:

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Bloody human sacrifice ? Sounds "bloody" conditional.

Let's get back to false prophets though, know any personally ?

How about this guy...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/16/miami.preacher/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2007/0...a.man.jesus.cnn

I would say anyone who tries to say what God wants or feels is a False prophet.

Anyone who says they have spoken to God personally and he has talked to them is in my Opinion a false prophet.


Sorry if that offends anyone.


When God comes forward himself and says yoo hooo here I am!! then I will believe it.

I would say anyone who tries to say what God wants or feels is a False prophet.

Anyone who says they have spoken to God personally and he has talked to them is in my Opinion a false prophet.


Sorry if that offends anyone.


When God comes forward himself and says yoo hooo here I am!! then I will believe it.

I would say anyone who tries to say what God wants or feels is a False prophet.

Anyone who says they have spoken to God personally and he has talked to them is in my Opinion a false prophet.


Sorry if that offends anyone.


When God comes forward himself and says yoo hooo here I am!! then I will believe it.

too true. no one can speak for God. no one. all faith and belief is personal. our truth is personal. No book nor person writing a book can know God except for personally and in that it is a personal fit. One size does not fit all.

all is opinion.

God wants us to love Him and be obedient.

Anyone can speak to God personally through prayer.

God has talked to me.

If you want to know God personally, seek Him out.

He does reveal Himself.

Again I don't believe a word of it when people try and tell me what God wants.

Also it amazes me when people who do not believe in God or try and understand God are told we don't have the ability to understand God or his motives yet in the same breath will tells us what God wants and Feels and his plans.



Oh I can see how you would talk to him through Prayer but I mean people who have a chat and conversation with him and he chats back.



Sorry I don't believe you.



I have tried looking and found out that he either has no interest in us or he does not exist and is all made up.



He should be arrested for that.

Looks like God had people like Moses speak for Him.

Exodus 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

God wants us to love Him and be obedient. Saying that does not make something a false prophet.

However, if someone were to say "God told me He wants us all to be suicide bombers", then I would consider that person to be a false prophet.

Anyone can speak to God personally through prayer.

God has talked to me. However, He didn't give me any prophecy or anything like that to share with the world. It was more in accordance with His plan for me and to get me going in the right direction to deal with a trial that I was already in and I am still dealing with.

If you want to know God personally, seek Him out. He does reveal Himself.
What I've learned though is don't try to be in charge. It's important to aknowledge that He is in charge and be willing to do things His way.

it's written opinion.

I could write that God said to me " all people come back to God without exception and you should let all people know."

now prove God didn't say it.

you can't but nor can I prove God did. so it's opinion.

but .........................

DID MOSES
WRITE THE TORAH?


The evidence that Moses did not write
the first five books in the Bible
called the Pentateuch, or the Torah,
based on the evidence taken from the Torah


It has been a traditional belief that Moses was the author who wrote the first five books of the Bible, known as the Torah (the law) or the Pentateuch. No one was present at the time to verify that Moses did indeed write the entire law, however this belief can be tested by examining the books in question. Even a cursory investigation is enough to conclusively demonstrate that no single individual, Moses or not, wrote them, but that rather they are composed of a conflation of conflicting and diverse source materials with the component parts composed over a span of many centuries. Finally these divergent sources were edited and then conflated in a single set of manuscripts.

http://www.awitness.org/contrabib/torah/moses.html

Let me ask you this. How did you go about seeking God?

He takes an interests in us. That is for certain. I interact with Him daily. It's actually scary sometimes, because I feel so small in His presence.

Don't worry WWF. We don't see you in the same league as the suicide bombers. Even though we may not agree ,we respect you as a human being,regardless.

You have always been patient, even when I was a bit cruel & impatient at times.

Let me ask you this. How did you go about seeking God?

He takes an interests in us. That is for certain. I interact with Him daily. It's actually scary sometimes, because I feel so small in His presence.

Would you be willing to take an oath that you heard God verbally tell you that?

I started seeking God ever since my first holy communion. I didn't agree with christianity then either. nor any religion. It just seemed to small and confining and limiting for the God I felt. religion has always felt to me ungodlike. man trying to describe God in small terms , limiting God by rules , regulations , strings - not from God but man made ideas like the bible or the koran.

So the God I hold now is the same God I held and felt at age 8. Only now I have a better way of describing how it feels. Not a perfect way of describing , but a better way.

I don't have to seek God because God is always there. I just have listen and not go deaf with what I want.

I don't usually feel small in Gods presence , but loved. I never feel fear but excitement.

I tried different ways but to no avail maybe I was doing something wrong I don't know.


After reading the Bible I realised that the being who I had trouble believing was real ,was in fact a wicked being and not the all loving being people were trying to make it out to be, so to be honest it does not even deserve to be worshipped.

But I still keep my eye out to see if God is real but I still refuse to worship it.



Again I have a problem in believing that, my apologies.

sure ....

actually it would be my interpretation.

I went to listen to the Gay Mens' Choir. while outside with friends having a smoke during intermission I heard a male voice as loud and beautiful as any I've ever heard on my left side singing. it only lasted less than 10 seconds and when I turned around to thank him there was no one there.

now. I'm not schizophrenic. not on drugs. ect.............. what was it ? I don't know. I do know I was very distraught because two days later I was to have brain surgery . and no it wasn't an auditory hallucination - I took that up with my neurosurgeon.

so if such a lovely voice could be heard while having a smoke break during a performance of The Gay Mens' Choir ..........

you could try to say it wasn't of God and you may be right... just like I could say moses , jesus , any one or thing in the bible isn't from God but opinion. or evil.

you can't state one without holding up a mirror.

If I might ask, what were the ways?

I would say anyone who tries to say what God wants or feels is a False prophet.

Anyone who says they have spoken to God personally and he has talked to them is in my Opinion a false prophet.


Sorry if that offends anyone.


When God comes forward himself and says yoo hooo here I am!! then I will believe it.

What did the voice sing to you?

Well I have always had difficulty since I was young in believing that there was a God but as I was growing up I tried looking so I tried...


1) Believing in God and praying for myself and other people and also asking for some sort of sign.

2) Reading and studying up on the Religion and trying to follow ( to the best of my ability) its ways.


I am thinking of trying some Pagan ways to see If I am able to discover their Gods.

If you talk to God, you are praying. If God talks to you, you have schizophrenia.”

Thomas S. Szasz quotes (Hungarian psychiatrist and Professor of Psychiatry Emeritus at State University of New York Health Science Center in Syracuse

Isn't suggesting that it is so simple to 'connect' with God as to just beseech Him, but then to say He tests us, rather an excuse when the answer should be "I don't know"?

it's been so long I don't remember. I also lost alot of memory via surgery. I do remember thinking hey that guy should be in the choir. that he had a voice better than any of them.

I've also had a couple of dreams as well.

proof ? no

none of that is proof of anything to any one but me. nor should it be.

Okay, so you believe God spoke to you because you heard a guy sing to you outside a gay choir concert, who had an excellent voice, and suddenly disappeared before you could see him.

What were the dreams about?

let's just say without going into explainition - when I asked 'How am I doing ?" as in life , belief ect... I was told I'm doing ok. no if's ands or buts ... and being human ok is the best answer I think one can get.

So you believe God spoke to you in two different dreams?

I would say anyone who tries to say what God wants or feels is a False prophet.

Anyone who says they have spoken to God personally and he has talked to them is in my Opinion a false prophet.


Sorry if that offends anyone.


When God comes forward himself and says yoo hooo here I am!! then I will believe it.

That Holy Spirit shake is not exclusive just to christians. The Jews, Muslims, Tribal natives,Native americans ,Hindus etc. experience this too.

How do you interpret that ? Where are they getting their spiritual ecstacy from ?

I get this same feeling when I am someplace very special. It shakes me to my core. I could explode with joy & feel immense connection. I'm not talking erotic pleasure, mind you It is much more intense

Now that is what I call TRULY "unconditional" love on the part of god.

The biblical god DOES NOT exhibit unconditional love as many christians claim

when you give birth to a child you love that child without doubt, unconditional, But you also expect that love to be returned to you,

God gave you life, And gave you the choice to love him or not. How can that be anything other than Unconditional. when you give birth to a child you love that child without doubt, unconditional, But you also expect that love to be returned to you, God loves us so much that he thought of our decision, to give us the OPTION of loving God.

God gave you life, And gave you the choice to love him or not. How can that be anything other than Unconditional. when you give birth to a child you love that child without doubt, unconditional, But you also expect that love to be returned to you, God loves us so much that he thought of our decision, to give us the OPTION of loving God.

Would you throw your child into a burning pit if it refused to acknowledge you or love you.

Quit reading my mind............. and I'll quit reading yours

sure ....

actually it would be my interpretation.

I went to listen to the Gay Mens' Choir. while outside with friends having a smoke during intermission I heard a male voice as loud and beautiful as any I've ever heard on my left side singing. it only lasted less than 10 seconds and when I turned around to thank him there was no one there.

now. I'm not schizophrenic. not on drugs. ect.............. what was it ? I don't know. I do know I was very distraught because two days later I was to have brain surgery . and no it wasn't an auditory hallucination - I took that up with my neurosurgeon.

so if such a lovely voice could be heard while having a smoke break during a performance of The Gay Mens' Choir ..........

you could try to say it wasn't of God and you may be right... just like I could say moses , jesus , any one or thing in the bible isn't from God but opinion. or evil.

you can't state one without holding up a mirror.

Would you throw your child into a burning pit if it refused to acknowledge you or love you.

Ripley, You continue to amaze me. I would have never believed you wrote this post if I had not seen it myself. I wondered how you could be so .....I don't have the right word, When we were discussing God's miricles you were soooo deadset against believing any were miricles, You demanded proof, Proof was requried for you to believe me or anyone else. And then I see this post by you and I am totally shocked, In a good way though, I remember thinking if she did experience a miricle from God it would just be so lost because you would refuse to see it. I think you re a very complex person and we continue to see different sides of you, Although I must say I prefer this one. Always a pleasure

Would you throw your child into a burning pit if it refused to acknowledge you or love you.