The bible and Gods word tells us there will be many false prophets, And that we will be decieved by them. How will we know if it is a falsehood? God says we will believe in them, So why would God then tell us they are false? There will be many lost to God because of the pastors and preachers, God tells us this as well, What about all the followers that believed in the pastor and God, Are they going to be held accountable for their own souls, The bible says the pastor who leads the congregration astray will be held accountable for all of their souls, How can this be. We as individuals are responsible for our own soul, Our own salvation, So are both held accountable? The mark of the beast is a symbol that you will never be taken into heaven, Your soul is lost forever. How do we know what the mark will be, What if we get the mark by being fooled or tricked, Are we still held accountable. I know there are signs and things we can look up in the Bible, But they are so very vague it could be any number of things today, And tomarrow there will be dozens more it could be, How will we know?, Always a pleasure

Use your own mind and don't hurt anyone or follow anything that does.

This is what ive learned from scripture. First off it is possible for followers of christ to be deceived. Matthew 24:24 says "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect." This is how satan operates. He acts as a what?..Angel of light. Hes not some big ugly looking ogre that goes around slaughtering goats and killing people but comes in the form of an angel of light. With that, we can see that he operates within the confines of the church, he blends in to the doctrines and this is where he brings his deception. What we have today are many many false prophets, false teachers, and apostates. False prophets are exactly what they are called, false prophets. They make claims that things will happen in the future a certain way, people embrace those prophecies, are deceived, and when that prophecy fails, it falls back into the believers lap bringing the possibility of the loss of salvation. A false teacher is someone who twists doctrines or severely distorts them to a way to fit their needs and an example would be the prosperity doctrine.

Many pastors that operate in this doctrine tell christians that if they are not rich, then God is against them. If they are poor then they are not prosperous. This is false doctrine. Jesus said blessed are the "poor", blessed are the "broken hearted". You are blessed whether you have money or not if your saved. This can cause much heartache to a christian and could possibly lead them to a road that is the opposite direction of heaven (this is how they are deceived). Lastly we have apostates. Apostates are those that have lost their faith in Christ. They have a great knowledge of the word and use it either to their advantage or to discourage weak christians that are spiritually weak. All three of these types of individuals run rampant in the church and to a spiritually weak christian, they can cause utter confusion which could eventually cause a christian to fall away.

God has warned us very clearly through scripture that these individuals operate amongst us but he did give the very means to learn how to successfully discern what is wrong and what is right through orthodoxy and the correct doctrine. 1 John 2:14 "I have written to you, fathers, because you know Him who has been from the beginning. I have written to you, young men, because you are strong, and the word of God abides in you, and you have overcome the evil one." This is the second level of spirituality. First is the infantile stages where you are more prone to operate in error. The second stage, which is the "young men" stage is where you have studied scripture, obtained what is doctrinally accurate, and you now operate in that doctrine through orthopraxy...And this is what God has said...If you gain correct doctrine, you can discern what is right and wrong, you can discern false prophets, teachers, and apostates, and with this knowledge God says you have overcome the wicked one because he operates as an angel of light.

Sorry this is so long

Kindly,

Hairston

Easy....anyone who says they are a prophet is a false prophet. Believe none of them. If you do not believe anything anyone says...then you will not be deceived by what anyone says.

The bible says what is written below is true.
The bible says what is written above is false.


God does not say anything, the bible (and people) does.

The bible doesnt say anything about either the above or below. I think you wrote what you meant wrong

Hairston

No, I didn't write it wrong, as some people are very fond of saying though...it's the context that matters!!!

Everything is not black, and white, Father knows this and everything is was taken in to consideration, before your spirit was ever put in that body. as individuals, most will feel duped for listning to a Man instead of their heart, and the preacher wil , individually feel remorse for leading one on, Knowingly or unknowing ly, For he may have been taught by another, and so on and on.

The mark will be on the individuals Spirit heart , It will look like harbored hate and unforgiveness. Pure Consciousness will keep the bro or sister out, because there is no hate in the higher realms of our heaven. God does not do this, the individual does. IF one judges another to not be worthy of heaven, then surly he has a heart without forgiveness, a heart without forgiveness for his bro, is harbored hate for him.

Not to worry though there is someplace for everyone, and many levels Of heaven, where like can be with like.

It will be written on one's heart.

Love Omnaka

in going along with the' false prophet 'kind of thinking. ....

what if all religions are false prophets ? all to get people so worked up over it that they couldn't see the forest for the trees ?


via christanity -

how can there be a false evil prophet at all if all is created by God ?

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7

how about beware the wolf in sheeps clothing ? aka organized religion.

I nlike that, I would add to check things against ones heart also, the heart wil not steer you wrong,

Be accountable for the love one makes and gives, and if it is good , one cannot go wrong.

Love Omnaka

Bravo bro!

They seem to stand on a bunch of words condemning for God, who goes who gets in, and all the diferent sects have a diferent translation of the same words, all the scriptures have one thing in common, and that is do not judge , or will be judged,
Love Omnaka

HAHA, it just looks like your saying that the bible says the line below is true but the bible says the line above is false, when the bible doesnt comment on either LOL

Hairston

Edit: But now that Darkwind has cleared it up I now see what you mean

No I think he has it right and I know what he is saying. The Bible contradicts itself.

I don't go by what I read in one book and say this is the only truth. How do you know the writers of the Bible aren't false prophets. I would rather think and experience for myself than to depend on one book written by men 4000-1500 years ago. I read many books on my faith written by many people. I pretty much know by experience who is full of bull and who isn't.

LOL Ripley is a female, not a bro. I think I see what Ripley means though, its always possible that what she is saying could be true. As far as judging, the bible says for us to judge teachers and others to verify that what they teach is true and to disregard them as false if indeed what they are saying is invalid. Theres no problem with judging those things but to judge someone by appearance and things of that nature is what we should refrain from practicing.

Hairston

Oops , My apology Sis, Stilll liked what you said, and I believe the only one we should judge is our self, if the judgement is not what we like we can change ourself.

Trying to change or denigrate someone else , by judgement does not work Imo. It only creats resentment and Animosity.

It is not love if it is forced.

Again sis sorry about the gender mix up.

Love Omnaka

Maybe all the other religions are the treees and we can't see God and true christians in the forest, I am just impling saying what if what if that were the case we could play that game all day long and go weekks at a time, All is created by God and Gods will is that false prophets will be on earth and they will decieve, your questioning why and we don"t know, You keep saying God created all the Good And the BAD , So to ask why God would create a Evil false prophet is contradicting see? the wolfe in sheeps clothing could mean a million different things just like the post where we can always find signs that point to the bibical end But they were not the true signs, I have NO idea how we will know from the signs because they have to many meanings in too many years, God created the heavens and the earth and every single thing in between He created atheists who continue to say he does not exsist and that could be veiwed as evil who knows I do know God always loves u sNo Matter What, Alays a pleasure

is this impying the only way to God is via christianity ??

I think you make a very valid point here. Often people fail to recognize the evil in their midst while condemning others, i.e. how many souls were duped by the likes of Jimmy Swaggart or Oral Roberts and their televangelist campaigns that were really facades to squeeze the money out of people who desperately believed in the divine authority of their ministers. Or what about the hundreds of thousands of men and women who died during the crusades? Im pretty sure most of them did not stop and say "why are we fighting over a patch of desert? if we both want it that bad why cant we coexist?" Religion has been filled with nefarious characters, from his-not-so-holiness Pope John XII to Osama binLaden to David Koresh. Ultimately, I think the lesson you should take from the people who have so brutally corrupted desperate attempts to reach the divine is not that religion is evil, but concerning religion one should always try to uncover the truth with regards to the nature of what the religious leader is preaching. Is your pastor honest? Or is he pushing his own agenda instead of what God would want? Is your church a benign organization? Or is it a money sucking machine?

Ultimately all you have to do is use your brain to decide. Thats why you have one
If you are really truely concerned that you cant figure out who are real and false prophets (and I wouldnt know, I dont believe in prophets) I would recomend that you perhaps begin to study your religion on your own, instead of through the aid/sermons of a spiritual leader. That way if you are lead astray its through misinterpretation, not through malicious intent

Peace

Churchanddestroy

I dont really believe in prophets either (in this day and age that is) because of the closed cannon. If someone wanted to test a prophet to see if he is a true prophet then we could use the test of the OT. If a prophet erred ONE TIME in a prophetic utterance, then they were to be disregarded in any other prophecy that they may utter. Benny Hinn being one...Strangly, this fellow said that family members were going to be able to dig up their dead loved ones and drape their bodies over the tv while its tuned into TBN and the bodies would come back from the dead....I think we should have discarded him the moment he said such a rediculous thing.
Kindly,

Hairston

I have not heard that before benny hinn really thought he would raise the dead and where this closed canyon at, Alwaya a pleasure

2 miles up the road , take a left at the ostrich farm , 1/2 Mile straight ahead.

Love Omnaka

Yes that is my belief the only way to heaven is through Jesus christ and I really believe that is truth,as far as implying MY WAY is the only way No My way is no way Its Gods Way, Through Jesus christ. Skeptics say well man wrote the bible and its wrong, But no one can prove it is wrong or prove that Jesus did no have a say of evey word written. I know we as a goverment accept the bible as truth and nothing But the truth. If it was wrong it would have been exposed along time ago , Because the skeptics will do anything in their power to prove God wrong To prove That God nor jesus never was. I can't ever see anyone ever provingthe bible to be false, Because it would have done come to pass. Always a pleasure.

You are too funny, You know what there is a ostritich farm right up the road, Haha Always a pleasure

No one can prove he did either. I am a skeptic and an angostic. I could care less what you believe in. I think most people are that way.

It has never been proved real.

Closed canon of scripture. Alot of the "spiritual gifts" were a ways of advancing the kingdom during the writings of the NT. Once the NT was completed, alot of the sign gifts ceased (tongues being one of them), therefore prophecy really isnt necessary today as we have the word to live by. It appears that Jude 1:3 is evidence that the canon of scripture is now closed and that there should be no additions made to the word of God.

Kindly,

Hairston

Even when I was a christian I never did put much stake in what the bible said because it was written by man which is flawed says the christian God.

Do not fret, it will come to pass, we are nearly there .

Some have not comprehended this, some refuse.

Just because something is called the truth does not make it so.

The facts are always a pleasure.

Well let me see I will call the bible facts instead of truths, Does that make any difference, I didn't think so, But i am making apoint here just because you say its not facts doen't make it a lie,It simply means YOU DON"T AGREE. I can argue the point with you for a long time, But nothing will change because you like black and I like white,

No, I like the world to be colorful> as it truly is. It's not black nor white.

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I like Fucia and teal myself,

I like your new avatar Momentarylaps of Reason.

Love Omnaka

Thankyou Omnaka !

A Happy New Year to you and all on UM !!!!

I don't know when you were last in a court room but they don't do the hand on the Bible anymore. If someone want me to swear to tell the truth they will have to take my word as a Druid. The only place were Jesus is mention in history is in the Bible. That doesn't make the Bible very factual. I see the Bible as allegory much the same as the tails of Odyssey or the stories of Gilgamesh. If the Bible is factual then the tails of Gilgamesh or the Odyssey must be factual, too. Also there are a bunch of stories about the Irish Gods of my Pantheon. I don't see them a facts I see them as allegory. Stories to understand morality, love, and nature. You should read Joseph Campbell, he does a great job of explaining allegory and myth. http://www.jcf.org/index2.php

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Hi darkwind, How can you possibly seperate the two God and Jesus, are not seperates, The Father The Son And The Holy Ghost. I seen my sister in law filled with the Holy Ghost and I am telling you IT IS REAL, It takes over your body and mind and fills it with God. You will never believe it unless you see it, Thats how powerful it si, Now listen Lt Ripley( ha)Ha I don't have no proof nor can I get it. It will leave you without any doubt If you saw it. I know no proof no fly But I'm just saying if you ever get the chance to see it when the Holy Ghost takes the body and mind it will shock you and amaze you and the power is so great everyone can feel in in some way. I was like 3 people behind her and it was just totally awesome Totally. I was so relaxed and I could think so much clearer than I could, Well you can be the judge Do you see any difference In my post today ? All this happened nlast night, and todsy I think I am writing more clear and getting my points across, What ya think, Lt Ripley, And all my other respected friends here. Always a pleasure

I call that , The Holy spirit Shake, when one feels Tears of joy from the top to the bottom and the debth of the soul, Yes it is awsome, One needs to feel it and experience it, Seeing it does not do this love Justice, it is the love of our Mother , Fathers Wife.
Yup same one Jesus Prayed to While on Earth.

God, Father and Mother created My and Jesus , and a host of other spirits, We are one with the will and Love Of this universe,
Jesus ' World does not begin in earnest untill after this one is finished.

Father Has given 30 worlds to sons who have graduated with love and Honors.

You may be going to jesus' world sandee, I hope you are accepted, for it is a mutual decision between the son , given a world to create as he wishes, and the Spirit wishing to incarnate on so said world, with Bro Jesus as your God.

Love Omnaka

so you have no proof nor can you get it . so you can't say it's real. your sister in law may have had a seizure , be mentally ill for all I know , a good actress , lying , delusional , in a fugue state , ect ........ as long as any of these exist and are a possibility you can't claim she was filled with the Holy Ghost. and going by your own line of thinking - which I don't believe - it could have been evil.

I see you a bit more open. I've also seen you very angry as well today. yet better at getting your point accross yes.

That Holy Spirit shake is not exclusive just to christians. The Jews, Muslims, Tribal natives,Native americans ,Hindus etc. experience this too.

How do you interpret that ? Where are they getting their spiritual ecstacy from ?

I get this same feeling when I am someplace very special. It shakes me to my core. I could explode with joy & feel immense connection. I'm not talking erotic pleasure, mind you It is much more intense

facts have evidence to back them up. Personal truths , like faith , including those in the bible are just that. personal. No one has to agree with a personal truth. but what it true for one does not make it correct for all nor right excluding all.

a personal truth isn't a lie , but it isn't a blanket statement for all either. that's why it's personal.

My personal truth is we all , regardless of religion or belief or life led , go back to God. you may or may not agree. but it is still my truth. carries the same weight as any other personal truth.

What if God tells you your "personal truth" is wrong?

I felt that way when in Brighton and my girlfriend called me King Kinute because I stood at the surf in my steal toed work boot and had misjudged how far it was to come in and it ran up to my mid calf. lol ok had to ease the moment , but it was funny.

and it's laughing easily that gets me that spiritual ecstacy . It makes me realise how simple God is and how complicated we make God. God loves nothing better than a good laugh on a person. Can't be angry when laughing. And if you can't laugh at the absurdity of it all ..................



But God tells me my personal truth is right. tells me that 'he's ' big enough , strong enough , wise enough , loving enough , accepting enough, ect..... to take all in. how much bigger or perfect could one be ? that's what God tells me.

Looks like God says those who do certain things won't inherit His Kingdom. Guess that's not everybody.

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are [these]; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told [you] in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. Gal 5:19-21

Actually it's only those who are sealed that inherit God's Kingdom.

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the Holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Some might argue that the false prophets are the Deepak Chopras and Dr. Wayne Dyers of the world. I don't agree with that, myself. But I've heard the argument.

I had written a lot in response to this, but then decided to remove it because I felt I was addressing the larger question of "How do we know what we're being told is the truth?" And I wasn't specifically addressing the issue of false prophets.

and that is your opinion based on a text based on opinion.


heck - some could say a false prophet is jesus himself !! what a wolf in sheeps clothing that would be !!

what a kick in the head huh ?

and possible ? of course it is. saying otherwise is denial .


if there is ( and I don't believe in it ) such a thing as false prophets ( unless you count the greedy religious leaders we have now ) then you wouldn't be able to tell.

That's not just based on text. That's based on real-life experience as well.

Anyway, I must say you're very daring.

well my life experience with God shows me we all go back to him no matter what religion , belief or lack thereof , deed , ect ............ no one excluded.

daring ? yes , God likes me that way. It's how God made me.

I couldnt agree with you more MLOR. The "Holy Ghost Shakes" is not even biblical (and to whomever believes differently, please show me the verses). This type of phenomenon is seen across the whole spectrum of religion, not just the charasmatic pentecostal movement.

O and as someone else said, you might just have the best avatar in the whole entire universe. Mr Bean was my favorite show of all time when it came on the PBS channel. WAY UP!

Kindly,

Hairston

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False prophet...
Double-negative?

Now that is what I call TRULY "unconditional" love on the part of god.

The biblical god DOES NOT exhibit unconditional love as many christians claim

False prophets, anyone, 'by their fruits ye shall know them'.

And yet there is at least one leader who has caused hospitals and universities built in his name and who is quite an evil man.

Pray, hope and don't worry.

I don't know how you got all that from what I said. What does your sister in law's higher self experience have any thing to do with what I was talking about? I have experienced my higher self speaking to the Gods. Very strange I must say. I knew what was going on but I wasn't privy to the conversation, but it worked and I was rid of my depression for a year. Which was nice because my depression is physical in nature and can get pretty bad.
I just don't see from the perspective of the Bible. To me the Bible is a morality play like Shakespeare. There are many books like it in the writings of man: Gilgamesh, The Odyssey, The Iliad, The writings of the Egyptians and The Lord of Rings. In the time of Mesopotamia the tail of Gilgamesh was believed as the Bible is today. Maybe someday people will see the Bible as mythology and the Lord of the Rings as fact. I hope not but you never know what people will latch on to.
You will just have to understand my belief system is very different from yours but it is no less valid. I just put forth my thoughts whether or not you believe them or not is up to you. I just like to see people expand their horizons. If you don't want to that is ok.

Ahh my rain spell worked it is raining. How nice we needed rain.