At my work there are many muslims. Some of them i really get on well with, and we always talk about religon. I am the sort of person who does not believe in a religon, but sometimes i believe there could be a God, and sometimes i believe its not logical, i go cross eyed thinking about it. i was chatting to my mate, who is a muslim, and he was trying to say that i should believe in islam. My argument with is comes down to this
People say God is eternal, but i find this impossible. If there is a God, he/she had to of come from somewhere. How did he/she gain powers, like being about to make the universe, living things etc

If there is a God, the only thing i can think of is that the universe was make natuarly, but just like life forms, and planets, God was made too. So God did not make the universe, but the universe made God. Its just a theory

You feel pretty much as I do. I simply don't know and possibly never will

I just don't give much credence to ancient sloppy texts & sheep herders, although I feel all of these stories have some truths no matter how minute.

The world is full of possibilities and eventually SOMETHING grand WILL HAPPEN in this grand UNIVERSE. Murphy's law..........

It is ironic how god needs NO beginning nor end, but according to the Abrahamic's >the universe MUST have had a beginning ?????!!!!

Ever wonder why it's called the "universe"?

Uni (Single) Verse (Spoken Sentence).

I wonder who spoke that single sentence? Could it be God?

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

WoW! What a thought! The Universe making God instead of the other way around ! Im going to ponder on this one for a long while !

Is that for real or is that a remarkable coincidence that you have discvovered ?

Just did a search on google and many dictionaries say:

Universe: Latin universum: Unus (one) + Versus (past principle of vertere, "to turn")

So why is the Universe reffered to as One "to turn"?

You're going to trust google over the highly reliable walkingwithfire?

One to turn? lol

I like the original meaning better.

Yes that is for real.

And you have a source for this?

Turned as in, everything turned/rolled in to one. According to Oxford Scholars at least. Click

Not that it really means anything either way, just words created by man. No divine meaning to them.



Haha. It was a difficult decision.

Until you come up with a better source than Oxford scholars, I'm going to continue to use WWF's unsubstantiated claim.

You can find it all over the Internet...

Here's something from answers.com which I'm pretty sure is neutral.

"Universe, a single spoken sentence (Latin origins)"

http://www.answers.com/topic/universe-game?cat=entertainment

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/universe

Not sure what's up with that answer site.

The answer website is actually correct. Actually look at the older definition of "universe" in an older dictionary before all the extra garbage was added and things were changed.

U'NIVERSE, n. [L. universitas.]


The collective name of heaven and earth, and all that belongs to them; the whole system of created things

http://1828.mshaffer.com/d/search/word,universe

Ok, it really doesn't matter which definition is correct. What the heck does this have to do with whether the universe created God or not?

Well I bet the universe has many wonderful creatures on different planets.Maybe there are creatures that we would consider Gods. Maybe these creatures looked at our planet, and thought "lets make a new species" and hear we are!

But an actual God, as we see God. I can only see someone like this, if he/she was made by the universe, or whatever was there before that. Maybe the "big bang" made God!

There was no "big bang".

WWF,

You have a tendency to make statements representing yourself as some sort of absolute authority, yet you provide no evidence to back up these statements. I hope you realise that this is rather ineffectual on your part as people will then see you as simply trying to sound like you know something when you don't.

Might I suggest you elaborate when you make definitive statements so people know why you do so and where the information comes from?

Thanks.

Pretty much.

The universe created our sun, our sun created the planets the planets allowed life to evolve on Earth, most life died and finally we sprang up. And created god.

They say god is the word, a human word. Man created god in mans own image.

1589, "the whole world, cosmos," from O.Fr. univers (12c.), from L. universum "the universe," noun use of neut. of adj. universus "all together," lit. "turned into one," from unus "one" (see one) + versus, pp. of vertere "to turn" (see versus). Properly a loan-translation of Gk. to holon "the universe," noun use of neut. of adj. holos "whole" (see safe (adj.)).
Source

But then, as WWF already said, English seems to be the original language, that other older (that's just a technicality though) languages copied from.

Would I be wrong in saying that you probably couldn't tell us what the Big Bang theory states or what evidence in its favour to begin with? Just because it seems that the majority of people who have absolute knowledge, like you, actually have the knowledge of a grade schooler on the subject.



Yeah. It's root was in latin and different people took different pieces of it to make up their own words.

Please don"t lie and say I said things I didn't. When did I say English was the original language? Please show some integrity and edit your post.

Yes you would be wrong.

Anyway, I guess a good question for you would be, which one of the "big bang theories" are you referring to as there are MANY?

There you go.

Ignoring the original Latin and instead, choosing the English word - inwhich you decided to make that the original root language of the word. Despite the actual root language being of Latin origin.

This is the way I see it. Life creates itself, the Universe being a living being created itself, life binds the Universe together as single being. The Gods are trans-dimensional beings who like all life created themselves. They know all this stuff and are able to use it which how they are trans-dimensional. They and all life including us are the Universe. The Universe is one among many in the Multiverse all bound together as living beings who create themselves. Because the Universe is part of the Multiverse we are also part of the Multiverse. Everything grows, evolves, and changes because that is part of what life does. Life also has what we call the spiritual dimension which also grows evolves, and changes. This part of us is trans-dimensional and when you tap into it you find all this knowledge.
So good luck and may the New Year be fruitful.

There is just one big bang theory. There is speculation within it, but there is still just one.

Chokmah,

Please edit your post for lying.

This clearly says "Latin origins" This was back at post #14 when I was asked for a source. You should read the entire topic before making such claims about people.

God is simply a construct of the human imagination. No human imagination = no god.

And yet me and raptor found the actual definitions... Hmm... Two almost exact definitions... Against the one you found on answers - which is extremely broad and doesn't translate the latin it appariently uses. If it did, it'd be "One." "In turn."...

I wouldn't use a site like answers for word definitions, if it cannot transcribe Latin in a correct manner =/ Seems to me that website just translates the words "Uni" and "verses" and uses Latin for the first and poetical English terms for the second.

Edit:

Which is how it gets "One" "Spoken sentence"

1589, "the whole world, cosmos," from O.Fr. univers (12c.), from L. universum "the universe," noun use of neut. of adj. universus "all together," lit. "turned into one," from unus "one" (see one) + versus, pp. of vertere "to turn" (see versus). Properly a loan-translation of Gk. to holon "the universe," noun use of neut. of adj. holos "whole" (see safe (adj.)).

I already posted this, as it explains why that website you provided is wrong.

No, you found a different definition by a different dictionary. It really doesn't matter. You're going to pick the definition you want.

Also, I'm sure that if you don't like the answers website that they probably have some e-mail address where you can send your complaints to, but please edit your previous posts for making false claims about me.

I never did make a false claim. Using a website that translates a word of Latin origin, by thinking "Verses" is the poetical term of English poetry... Instead of actually knowing that the term "universe" is not from English origin - universus is the root word here: Uni; One. Versus; turn into. Universus literally transcribed into English would be "Turned into one".

I only agree with the definition I found, because it explains its origins and then translates that root word into its original meaning. Unlike your website that... Really didn't try very hard.

You obviously lack honor and integrity. Instead of admitting you are wrong, which has already been demonstrated by post #14 (debunking your lie about me suggesting an English root), you would rather argue and try to defame a website, which I intentionally used because it was neutral, and if I'm not mistaken I stated that in my post as well.

Definitions can only be neutral if they're correct... Yours was hardly correct at all, which I've proved.

I'm not wrong, if you were not stubborn and actually read why you're wrong. Perhaps you'd have some "honour and integrity", because I honestly have little use for them when telling someone who listens not to actual evidence...

I'm not going to continue arguing with you however. It's very pointless if you're not going to read. End of.

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I think you guys are OFF TOPIC.

That doesn't make any sense at all. If the universe made god... Then god wouldn't be god, he would be less than god... Unless the universe is god, and created a lesser god because the universe (himself) is infinitely big and is a two god job. Now why make just one other god? When he could make an infinite amount... But then there would be no point of being a god.

If there was one person on earth, they would be a god. So if there are two gods in the universe... Neither of them are gods, and the whole god idea becomes completely impossible. So either the universe didn't create god, or I'm a ****in genius.

God is only God because thats what we call him/her. Because the universe made God, he/she would still be classed as a God, because he/she made us. If i was the only person on earth, that would not mean i was a God, how would it? I would not be able to create life, or make miricles. I believe that it is possible that the universe created higher beings, or a higher being, who then created life on our planets, or all planets.

Webster's dictionary isn't neutral? Honestly, he didn't lie. Observe. He claimed that you used English origins for your definition. This is true, because answers.com, used an English origin. You have cited answers as your source.

If there really are spiritual forces /inter-dimesional forces then this is kind of like the chicken/egg question,isn't it ?

It's really intriguing though. I'll have to think about it tonight.

Kinda boggles me brains right now.

Very interesting topic & new to me

Well...God is before everything. If you think about it hard enough, you'll conclude that if God is truly eternal, than nothing exists but God and we are merely an existing illusion. Like a facet of God's imagination. It's hard to put into words. In essence, we are all a part of God...or rather, there is God in all of us. In order for us to truly exist, God could not exist. And if God exists then we do not have true existence because only his existence is true existence. He is self-sufficient, and we are not, we are parts of his sufficiency and only exists because he brings us into and keeps us in existence. Thus, we do not exist, only God does. Therefore, the only reason we perceive our existence is because of the fact that he wills it. It's like...we're nothing, but nothing knows that it's there. In realizing the wholeness of God's existence in comparison to ours, it would only be logical that we do not exist because only God "exists". Hmmm....all in all, I wouldn't worry about God's eternalness. Better to just live.

So what do you propose there was?

Prove it??

a soft pop ?

although I have heard the term 'big bang' really isn' the right one.

It's fair enough if you have an understanding of the theory, but it definitely misleads people.

Soft pop ??

if man was created by god, then isnt whatever man creates also created by god?

If you mean Jehovah then yeah the universe made him. In fact he's probably the offspring or design of someone before him.

Dude, if God is real then he isn't a part of this reality. He is an "infinite problem" that cannot wholely equate with this reality's rules. Consider our number system, it is in base 10. Say God is 1/3, you end up with an infinite decimal, however if we worked in base 12 you'll find that it works out. Trying to limit God, an infinite being from where we're viewing the picture, will only result in obsurd answers to the questions that you ask.