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Endlessly
I have a question. To Christians.

When I was in Primary school I had to do this subject called "relgion" but then I spose it wasnt relgion I spose it was christian.Any way in that particualr subject our teacher would tell us stories on how Jesus HELPED people,And that he would tell the people to LOVE EACH OTHER not hate.And you should respect people even if theyre different.

Now moving today all I see is Christians trying to convert people,Judging people from their belifs,making people feel ashamed of themselves,Hating people for who they are i.e Gays and lesbians.So could some one please tell me is that what your God wanted?
Omnaka
QUOTE (Endlessly @ Jan 2 2008, 02:17 AM) *
I have a question. To Christians.

When I was in Primary school I had to do this subject called "relgion" but then I spose it wasnt relgion I spose it was christian.Any way in that particualr subject our teacher would tell us stories on how Jesus HELPED people,And that he would tell the people to LOVE EACH OTHER not hate.And you should respect people even if theyre different.

Now moving today all I see is Christians trying to convert people,Judging people from their belifs,making people feel ashamed of themselves,Hating people for who they are i.e Gays and lesbians.So could some one please tell me is that what your God wanted?

NO, That is not the message Bro Jesus was trying to convey (Fathers Love Was the message) Jesus was never the God of this world, as he stated There is none Good But Father, Jesus world as other worlds given to sons Of God , Begin after this one come to a close.

All Brother Jesus tried to tel was about the love of each other and helping eachother, By this one is saved , if one acts out of love For his bro, neighbor or whatever he does , he can not be wrong or faulted, Judging others because their Beliefs are diferent , will in the end experience the accuser, because it will come right back, I'm not worried about them, a little sad , But it will experience them so it is nesessasary Evil I like to call it. A part of learning the eternal spirit. Painfull huh?
I stil love all those who Judge for Father , I know they are just young spirits living among the older ones (Brothers and sisters)

Have empathy and compassion for those who Know all about God, and preach hel and damnation, For this is what they have been taught., Eternal spirit means those doing this Have a very long time to Love all and get it Right with themselves, for we are judged by our own spirit after This body dies,. Most wont like judging their own progress, but it is an education of the highest kine.

Love Omnaka

sandee
QUOTE (Endlessly @ Jan 1 2008, 09:17 PM) *
I have a question. To Christians.

When I was in Primary school I had to do this subject called "relgion" but then I spose it wasnt relgion I spose it was christian.Any way in that particualr subject our teacher would tell us stories on how Jesus HELPED people,And that he would tell the people to LOVE EACH OTHER not hate.And you should respect people even if theyre different.

Now moving today all I see is Christians trying to convert people,Judging people from their belifs,making people feel ashamed of themselves,Hating people for who they are i.e Gays and lesbians.So could some one please tell me is that what your God wanted?

I am not sure where you reside, But I haven't heard of a religion course iin schools here in Florida, I am not impling your not being truthful, just curious. I sincerly hope that I never make anyone feel judged or ashamed. I do not hate anyone either, I do runn into some people I may not care for much, But hate is a strong word. As far as converting people well, Yes I do preach about God alot and Iam pushy sometimes, But only because I care about people and don't want to see people suffer for not believing in God. I respect everyone here, they may have very diffrent religions or beliefs, But that doesn't mean they don't deserve the upmost respect. I can't say with any knowlege what God would say about gay people, I think there are some bible verses that say it is frowned upon by God but I couldn't be certain of that. think God would want us to spread his word, And I think he would be sad about things that are being done in his name. I could not begin t know what God wants other than love and selflisness from us, Always a pleasure.
Omnaka
QUOTE (sandee @ Jan 2 2008, 03:17 AM) *
I am not sure where you reside, But I haven't heard of a religion course iin schools here in Florida, I am not impling your not being truthful, just curious. I sincerly hope that I never make anyone feel judged or ashamed. I do not hate anyone either, I do runn into some people I may not care for much, But hate is a strong word. As far as converting people well, Yes I do preach about God alot and Iam pushy sometimes, But only because I care about people and don't want to see people suffer for not believing in God. I respect everyone here, they may have very diffrent religions or beliefs, But that doesn't mean they don't deserve the upmost respect. I can't say with any knowlege what God would say about gay people, I think there are some bible verses that say it is frowned upon by God but I couldn't be certain of that. think God would want us to spread his word, And I think he would be sad about things that are being done in his name. I could not begin t know what God wants other than love and selflisness from us, Always a pleasure.


Hi Sandee,

I used to be like that also, still am sometimes.

When my enlightenment started a couple of years ago, I was instructed to write everything down.
I'veNever typed in my life before this.

Any way, my writings were full of judgement, After finding out who Iam to Father Mother and the Universe (God)

Now I know in my last life, that Iam to witness and teach by example.
It's not love if it's forced.

But the book will come out , when it does , with all the learning and Judgement I learned from.

God bless.

Love Omnaka
Endlessly
Im not saying that all christians are like this and im sorry.Also Im in Australia and in grade 3 they tought us religion.
Also I appologize if I got anything wrong I dont mind people trying to tell others about God etc Its just somtimes I think people go to far.
sandee
QUOTE (Endlessly @ Jan 1 2008, 11:06 PM) *
Im not saying that all christians are like this and im sorry.Also Im in Australia and in grade 3 they tought us religion.
Also I appologize if I got anything wrong I dont mind people trying to tell others about God etc Its just somtimes I think people go to far.


We have discussed how far people take religion and the consiquence of their actions on the religion as a whole. I know you did not mean all christians, One person or a group of people can do horriable things in the name of God and it just darkens the whole religious community. I do not agree with all christians and don't condone killing because it is supposely done in the name of God. There are bad people everywhere and religion is no different, But fortunatly they don't speak for us all. I do sometimes go to far as in going on and on to people about God who I know have other beliefs, But I suppose they accept this and let me go on and on. I don't think you have anything wrong but if you do i am sure someone will let you know. They thrive on that kind of stuff here , Always a pleasure
Bluefinger
QUOTE (Endlessly @ Jan 1 2008, 08:17 PM) *
I have a question. To Christians.

When I was in Primary school I had to do this subject called "relgion" but then I spose it wasnt relgion I spose it was christian.Any way in that particualr subject our teacher would tell us stories on how Jesus HELPED people,And that he would tell the people to LOVE EACH OTHER not hate.And you should respect people even if theyre different.

Now moving today all I see is Christians trying to convert people,Judging people from their belifs,making people feel ashamed of themselves,Hating people for who they are i.e Gays and lesbians.So could some one please tell me is that what your God wanted?



No. I'm not boasting, but trying to explain that the true Christianity is unseen. The reason why no one notices is because no one is murdering Christian families because of what they believe here in America on a regular basis.

My testimony is that drawing closer to God has taught me about love, for one: Loving my brother enough to look past his homosexuality and extreme lifestyle and be there for him. Even after he got the sex change, I have not judged him. What you need to understand is that there is a lot of history behind organized religion, not a pretty one. So can we rely on organized religion? No. However, it was not always the political structure that Christianity is perceived to be today. If you read the book of Acts, people supported each other, lived in harmony as one, and were constantly hunted because of their faith.

Faith is not a well publicized issue today in America. Its more about ego-centered philosophy of the human individual. So who is going to see the faith of the loving and selfless minority through the cloud of the faithless and self-centered majority.
sandee
QUOTE (Bluefinger @ Jan 2 2008, 12:18 AM) *
No. I'm not boasting, but trying to explain that the true Christianity is unseen. The reason why no one notices is because no one is murdering Christian families because of what they believe here in America on a regular basis.

My testimony is that drawing closer to God has taught me about love, for one: Loving my brother enough to look past his homosexuality and extreme lifestyle and be there for him. Even after he got the sex change, I have not judged him. What you need to understand is that there is a lot of history behind organized religion, not a pretty one. So can we rely on organized religion? No. However, it was not always the political structure that Christianity is perceived to be today. If you read the book of Acts, people supported each other, lived in harmony as one, and were constantly hunted because of their faith.

Faith is not a well publicized issue today in America. Its more about ego-centered philosophy of the human individual. So who is going to see the faith of the loving and selfless minority through the cloud of the faithless and self-centered majority.

I am not sure how the selfless and faithful are supposed to outshine the critics, Because there are sooo many critics and they continue to do everything they can to get attention. The selfless will not stoop to that level so I don't see things changing anytime soon sadly, Always a pleasure
PsiSeeker
QUOTE (Endlessly @ Jan 2 2008, 12:17 PM) *
I have a question. To Christians.

When I was in Primary school I had to do this subject called "relgion" but then I spose it wasnt relgion I spose it was christian.Any way in that particualr subject our teacher would tell us stories on how Jesus HELPED people,And that he would tell the people to LOVE EACH OTHER not hate.And you should respect people even if theyre different.

Now moving today all I see is Christians trying to convert people,Judging people from their belifs,making people feel ashamed of themselves,Hating people for who they are i.e Gays and lesbians.So could some one please tell me is that what your God wanted?


Well, God is not here to give us any direct direction of what and what not to do, (except in the form of the bible translated many times, interpreted different by many people and definately not written by God himself/(spiritself? lol.) Naw, it was written by the people that you know, was present when God decided to make the universe, sitting with his scroll and pen feather in hand.

Anyways, since we lack direction people (subconciously in some cases) convince themselves that what God want is what they want. They don't want gays and lezbeens defecting what they believe to be the "perfection of humanity." (themselves ofcourse) "If your not like me +- 10% mentally and physically I will pull the shotgun on you son.."
Bluefinger
QUOTE (sandee @ Jan 1 2008, 11:27 PM) *
I am not sure how the selfless and faithful are supposed to outshine the critics, Because there are sooo many critics and they continue to do everything they can to get attention. The selfless will not stoop to that level so I don't see things changing anytime soon sadly, Always a pleasure


Critics in America slander Christianity because of political involvement. If Christians stayed out of politics, then people can pass laws to assure them that they can live however they want without moral restrictions based on 'a book.'

Am I correct?
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (Bluefinger @ Jan 2 2008, 07:14 PM) *
Critics in America slander Christianity because of political involvement. If Christians stayed out of politics, then people can pass laws to assure them that they can live however they want without moral restrictions based on 'a book.'

Am I correct?


What a bunch of BS. Look at regions such as Scandinavia & western Europe with much less religious faith & lower crime etc.

People still go to church & live as they choose if they wish it,they aren't hiding in a closet.

Atheists pretty much follow the 10 commandments you know

Noone cares !

Or did I misunderstand your post ??
randomhit10
QUOTE (Endlessly @ Jan 2 2008, 02:17 AM) *
I have a question. To Christians.

When I was in Primary school I had to do this subject called "relgion" but then I spose it wasnt relgion I spose it was christian.Any way in that particualr subject our teacher would tell us stories on how Jesus HELPED people,And that he would tell the people to LOVE EACH OTHER not hate.And you should respect people even if theyre different.

Now moving today all I see is Christians trying to convert people,Judging people from their belifs,making people feel ashamed of themselves,Hating people for who they are i.e Gays and lesbians.So could some one please tell me is that what your God wanted?


He probably does not want them...radical Christians are not the best examples of what Jesus taught...just like other radical groups, they are serving their own agenda...for every one radical Christian, i can show you a hundred real believers who practice exactly what Jesus would want us to do...unfortunately, most people want to judge all believers for the actions of a few...i find these people annoying also....if you have some particular questions i woudl be more than happy to try to answer then in a less agressive manner than the ones you described above.

randomhit10
Darkwind
QUOTE (Bluefinger @ Jan 2 2008, 06:14 PM) *
Critics in America slander Christianity because of political involvement. If Christians stayed out of politics, then people can pass laws to assure them that they can live however they want without moral restrictions based on 'a book.'

Am I correct?



No I would say you are not correct. Most of the laws in the US are not based on the Bible. Since the moral majority has been elected we don't have health care, environmental laws have been gutted, and we are in two wars. I don't think that is a moral political policy. I don't see any morality coming from those who have claimed religion as the reason they should be elected. disgust.gif
randomhit10
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Jan 2 2008, 06:26 PM) *
What a bunch of BS. Look at regions such as Scandinavia & western Europe with much less religious faith & lower crime etc.

People still go to church & live as they choose if they wish it,they aren't hiding in a closet.

Atheists pretty much follow the 10 commandments you know

Noone cares !

Or did I misunderstand your post ??


one thing i don't understand...if no one cares why are Christians bashed so bad for their beliefs?...on many of these forums, Christians are pounded over the head for believing in God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, etc. etc....all i hear now in the news is separation of church and state...i always thought it was separate until now and i still don't see where it is not...but some segment of populace seems to think the Christians have the smoke filled backrooms where the fate of mankind is decided...this is a bunch of bs too...

randomhit10
ravergirl
QUOTE (Endlessly @ Jan 2 2008, 02:17 AM) *
I have a question. To Christians.

When I was in Primary school I had to do this subject called "relgion" but then I spose it wasnt relgion I spose it was christian.Any way in that particualr subject our teacher would tell us stories on how Jesus HELPED people,And that he would tell the people to LOVE EACH OTHER not hate.And you should respect people even if theyre different.

Now moving today all I see is Christians trying to convert people,Judging people from their belifs,making people feel ashamed of themselves,Hating people for who they are i.e Gays and lesbians.So could some one please tell me is that what your God wanted?


People have their opinions, countries have their agenda, and everyone is worried about money and sponsorship, parents are worried about their kids, and teachers are worried about staying employeed. Most people are worried about what happens after death.

You mix all that in together in a secular setting and you can end up with a topsy turvy lesson on who God and Jesus are and what you should think about it.
Take Omnaka for example, she is smart but in every post i have read of hers she says something about Jesus not being th "God of this world" which was never mentioned, and about her own enlightenment which can't be proven or disproven....She has a message to get out to people that she feels is important no matter what your question was.

Christians would LOVE for everyone to be a Christ follower....coming from a missionary that actually actively participated in trying to save the world........however it is generally accepted that not everyone will believe. However, it is important to at least allow everyone in the world the opportunity to make that choice...There are real countries that have never heard of God...that don't have words for Love, or Deception, so how can you tell them about anything.

people are still people no matter what they believe and it is human nature to err. thats why pencils have erasers and computers have spell check.
Bluefinger
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Jan 2 2008, 12:26 PM) *
What a bunch of BS. Look at regions such as Scandinavia & western Europe with much less religious faith & lower crime etc.

People still go to church & live as they choose if they wish it,they aren't hiding in a closet.

Atheists pretty much follow the 10 commandments you know

Noone cares !

Or did I misunderstand your post ??


I think you misunderstood my post. Such things such as abortion, gay marriage, ect. are all issues that many disagree with. On top of that wars, ect. seem to cause anti-Christian sentiment.
Bluefinger
QUOTE (Darkwind @ Jan 2 2008, 12:51 PM) *
No I would say you are not correct. Most of the laws in the US are not based on the Bible. Since the moral majority has been elected we don't have health care, environmental laws have been gutted, and we are in two wars. I don't think that is a moral political policy. I don't see any morality coming from those who have claimed religion as the reason they should be elected. disgust.gif


See? My point exactly. The Christian title becomes synonomous with American moral politics. The majority of Presidents, senators, and representatives run Christ as a political campaign to get elected. The laws are attached to Christian moral system. That is why gay marriages are still illegal in most states, abortion is looked down on, ect. The wars are for a cause to liberate oppressed people that many religious people feel is a moral obligation. And so the Christian influence in politics seems to create anti-Christian sentiment here in America.
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (Bluefinger @ Jan 2 2008, 08:21 PM) *
I think you misunderstood my post. Such things such as abortion, gay marriage, ect. are all issues that many disagree with. On top of that wars, ect. seem to cause anti-Christian sentiment.



People's sex -love lives is nobody's business !! My womb is none of your business either,as much as I don't like abortion,let god decide. These babies according to you go to heaven anyways, so they can skip all the miseries of being an unwanted child with the possibility of an unfit mother caring for them.

I don't care what the bible says.

That just shows the ignorance of those who wrote it. Nothing more.

If you believe in god then let him deal with them, he knows & understands.

It's not your job nor business to judge.

Government & religion have no business being married nor engaged.

Most of us don't mind the existence of your faith we just don't want it's bloody fingers(literally) messing in our lives

We can agree to disagree here, right ?
ravergirl
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Jan 2 2008, 07:41 PM) *
People's sex -love lives is nobody's business !! My womb is none of your business either,as much as I don't like abortion,let god decide. These babies according to you go to heaven anyways, so they can skip all the miseries of being an unwanted child with the possibility of an unfit mother caring for them.

I don't care what the bible says.

That just shows the ignorance of those who wrote it. Nothing more.

If you believe in god then let him deal with them, he knows & understands.

It's not your job nor business to judge.

Government & religion have no business being married nor engaged.

Most of us don't mind the existence of your faith we just don't want it's bloody fingers(literally) messing in our lives

We can agree to disagree here, right ?

Sex SHOULD be no one's business. but it always has been. people used to watch royalty copulate...im not excusing it im just saying it has always been a public issue that would be better left private. Scarlet letter and all that jazz...public focus on sex messes up peoples lives
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (ravergirl @ Jan 2 2008, 08:47 PM) *
Sex SHOULD be no one's business. but it always has been. people used to watch royalty copulate...im not excusing it im just saying it has always been a public issue that would be better left private. Scarlet letter and all that jazz...public focus on sex messes up peoples lives



I despise when people can crawl in between your bedsheets in the name of religion. God didn't make them the "sex police" nor the "womb police".

I really hate abortion but it's not my decision. that is why I encourage birth control & free condoms >not sex>unless it is wanted and done in love & caring.

But you can't stop people . sex is very powerful & god (if he exists) made it that way,no doubt. Why then ?

God will deal with all in the end >I really don't think he created messengers to tell us how to live, I really don't.

He gave us a brain & intuition. That should be our guide. It is a gift. Use it well.
Bluefinger
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Jan 2 2008, 01:41 PM) *
People's sex -love lives is nobody's business !! My womb is none of your business either,as much as I don't like abortion,let god decide. These babies according to you go to heaven anyways, so they can skip all the miseries of being an unwanted child with the possibility of an unfit mother caring for them.

I don't care what the bible says.

That just shows the ignorance of those who wrote it. Nothing more.

If you believe in god then let him deal with them, he knows & understands.

It's not your job nor business to judge.

Government & religion have no business being married nor engaged.

Most of us don't mind the existence of your faith we just don't want it's bloody fingers(literally) messing in our lives

We can agree to disagree here, right ?


I was merely just pointing out why Christianity is so disliked here in America among some people; because of the political involvement. The religious agendas in politics have a tendency to incite anti-Christian sentiment here in America because they tend to follow Scritpural guidelines that not everyone agrees with for one reason or another. I don't have a problem with you disagreeing. I was just explaining why Christianity is so criticized today.
ravergirl
QUOTE (momentarylapseofreason @ Jan 2 2008, 07:54 PM) *
I despise when people can crawl in between your bedsheets in the name of religion. God didn't make them the "sex police" nor the "womb police".

I really hate abortion but it's not my decision. that is why I encourage birth control & free condoms >not sex>unless it is wanted and done in love & caring.

But you can't stop people . sex is very powerful & god (if he exists) made it that way,no doubt. Why then ?

God will deal with all in the end >I really don't think he created messengers to tell us how to live, I really don't.

He gave us a brain & intuition. That should be our guide. It is a gift. Use it well.

wow the OP said nothing about this...this topic doesn't really have any standing on sex at all...aren't we supposed to be discussing something along the lines of......

I have a question. To Christians.

When I was in Primary school I had to do this subject called "relgion" but then I spose it wasnt relgion I spose it was christian.Any way in that particualr subject our teacher would tell us stories on how Jesus HELPED people,And that he would tell the people to LOVE EACH OTHER not hate.And you should respect people even if theyre different.

Now moving today all I see is Christians trying to convert people,Judging people from their belifs,making people feel ashamed of themselves,Hating people for who they are i.e Gays and lesbians.So could some one please tell me is that what your God wanted?
momentarylapseofreason
QUOTE (Bluefinger @ Jan 2 2008, 09:01 PM) *
I was merely just pointing out why Christianity is so disliked here in America among some people; because of the political involvement. The religious agendas in politics have a tendency to incite anti-Christian sentiment here in America because they tend to follow Scritpural guidelines that not everyone agrees with for one reason or another. I don't have a problem with you disagreeing. I was just explaining why Christianity is so criticized today.


Oops, sorry, yes I agree GOTCHA thumbsup.gif

I guess that's what happens when watching TV & reading the internet

Guess my multi-tasking isn't working out too well blush.gif
sandee
QUOTE (ravergirl @ Jan 2 2008, 03:02 PM) *
wow the OP said nothing about this...this topic doesn't really have any standing on sex at all...aren't we supposed to be discussing something along the lines of......

I have a question. To Christians.

When I was in Primary school I had to do this subject called "relgion" but then I spose it wasnt relgion I spose it was christian.Any way in that particualr subject our teacher would tell us stories on how Jesus HELPED people,And that he would tell the people to LOVE EACH OTHER not hate.And you should respect people even if theyre different.

Now moving today all I see is Christians trying to convert people,Judging people from their belifs,making people feel ashamed of themselves,Hating people for who they are i.e Gays and lesbians.So could some one please tell me is that what your God wanted?


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