Roswell1973
Jan 30 2004, 04:44 AM
Is the end of the world coming? Can the rise of earthquakes since the 1980's, the increase in famine, the "holy wars" of the middle east, the rise in natural disasters besides earthquakes. Can they all be attributes of the end of the world?
I would like to hear what all of you think?
PsychicPenguin
Jan 30 2004, 05:17 AM
I don't know... but I think the end of this thread is not that far
fulltimekiller
Jan 30 2004, 06:06 AM
i dunno the end of the world can be anytime
man_in_mudboots
Jan 30 2004, 03:13 PM
my father is completly convinced that islam will bring about the end of the world......
thats him, not me.
thebarman
Jan 30 2004, 03:32 PM
This site may be of interest, it lists every possible ending to the world there can be
Exit Mundi...and some pretty impossible ones aswell
Pendekar Timur
Jan 30 2004, 03:54 PM
yeah...i believed this..
i think it is not too far from now...
and it's also already wrote in Bible/Koran...
Engulf
Jan 30 2004, 04:05 PM
Come to think of it, don't we have 'End of the World' prophecies every year??
First it was nuclear attacks, then armageddon, then the return of Nibiru, bla-bla, we can never get enough from them

. One source (Mayan) stated that there will be a wide alien invasion come the year 2012. Yet surprisingly if you read up most of the prophecies, they tend to coincide in terms of the year, that being 2010-2014, just be prepared I guess. But we can all smile and be happy that the Nibiru premonition has already expired (last year 2003).
Blood Angel
Jan 30 2004, 04:21 PM
There will never be a end of the world, just a end of the human race. Just because we wipe ourselves out by nuclear weapons/constant war/natural disaster, doesn't mean the planet earth is gonna be taken with us.....we are but a blink of an eye to the world, and i very much doubt she would miss us at all.
Nxt2Hvn
Jan 30 2004, 04:26 PM
It's coming alright.....
So hang on..... and be ready...
Talon
Jan 30 2004, 04:44 PM
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| Is the end of the world coming? Can the rise of earthquakes since the 1980's, |
This is simply a shift in the platonic plates which cover the earth, such increase of occurances have happened before and will happen agin, it'll settle down eventually. It should also be remembered our ability to record and keep track of earth quakes have become more sophisticated since the 1980s.
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| the increase in famine |
That is due to a number of factors including increasing population, crop failures due to global warming and its knock on effects. Lets also remember that most famines occur in poor countries with no stable agriculture in place, and were the average family includes more memebers than their income can feed.
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| the "holy wars" of the middle east, |
Thats a human caused issue which began with Western Imperialism in the area leading to increased resentment, Isreal's frequent acts of geniocide don't help Middle Eastern relations either. Lets also remember Christians had a similar habit of holy wars 700 years ago, the Middle Eat tensions hopefully will also calm down given time.
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| the rise in natural disasters besides earthquakes. |
Tidelwaves, volcanos can both be arrtibuted to platial movement as are earthquakes. Hurricanes are propably the result of enviromental changes due to global warming.
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| Can they all be attributes of the end of the world? |
The world will most likely survive for another 10 billion years until the sun turns into a red giant, that said nothing is stopping our tiny, fragile little species from being wiped out long before that, and I seriosuly doubt the human ability to survive that long.
Novo
Jan 30 2004, 05:44 PM
Im about sick of seeing people in this world abuse it as they do.
Im not one to question my lords will
if he wants us to come home
and the end to come
I say let it come.
Roswell1973
Jan 30 2004, 05:54 PM
I'm just wondering if our own ignorance and abusive pattern on the world itself will be our ultimate undoing.
Some might attribute it to the bible or aliens. But in the end will it just be because we screwed up?
man_in_mudboots
Jan 30 2004, 08:14 PM
| QUOTE (Blood Angel @ Jan 30 2004, 03:21 PM) |
| There will never be a end of the world, just a end of the human race. |
i can tell you arnt a very religious person......
man_in_mudboots
Jan 30 2004, 08:21 PM
religiously, the idea is that the world will end, but not of what accord, only God destroying it, so does that mean God will end it himself (just come and blow every thing up), or end it all by influencing human actions (ike making humans invent nuke bombs), or ensure the end by just creating humans in the first place?
scientifically it could be a disater(meteor, core explosion, sunflare, ice age), a human invoked disater (nuke war, nanotechnology, disease), or just the big
ka-splat.
Roswell1973
Jan 30 2004, 09:03 PM
I think that whether it be a natural ocurrence or a man made event "if" anyone survives ( cause were like roaches ya know! ) it will could be interpeted as religous either way.
Novo
Jan 30 2004, 09:20 PM
Most Relegions and Scientific predictions coincide at many points.
I say we do a study on all the things relatted in science and relegion... in my eyes science is just another way of seeing things and Ill start up a thread and include my research later tonight... g2g for now
shirini
Jan 30 2004, 10:35 PM
| QUOTE (Roswell1973 @ Jan 30 2004, 04:54 PM) |
I'm just wondering if our own ignorance and abusive pattern on the world itself will be our ultimate undoing.
Some might attribute it to the bible or aliens. But in the end will it just be because we screwed up? |
1. I agree with Roswell.
2. We all gotta die someday.
[/QUOTE]Come to think of it, don't we have 'End of the World' prophecies every year??
First it was nuclear attacks, then armageddon, then the return of Nibiru, bla-bla, we can never get enough from them . One source (Mayan) stated that there will be a wide alien invasion come the year 2012. Yet surprisingly if you read up most of the prophecies, they tend to coincide in terms of the year, that being 2010-2014, just be prepared I guess. But we can all smile and be happy that the Nibiru premonition has already expired (last year 2003). [QUOTE]
3. I agree with Engulf.
Roswell1973
Jan 31 2004, 12:20 AM
well wasn't one of the whole "noahs ark" period coincide because there was a great flood at that time and there's that huge thing now about finding the ark in the mountains of some country.
Novo
Jan 31 2004, 12:23 AM
Im thinking more along of the paladiens new-age group and the mayan texts and so many other things that point to 2012 as the end...
Blood Angel
Jan 31 2004, 12:56 AM
| QUOTE (man_in_mudboots @ Jan 30 2004, 08:21 PM) |
scientifically it could be a disater(meteor, core explosion, sunflare, ice age), a human invoked disater (nuke war, nanotechnology, disease), or just the big ka-splat. |
Only one of them will end the world(core explosion...never heard of that one...), the rest would just destroy life on the planet. The planet will still be there, just you won't be. Keywords here are "end" and "world". If you said end of all life....then you might be getting there...
Roswell1973
Jan 31 2004, 03:01 AM
thank's ANGEL......... that's exactly what I was thinking too!!!
Urza
Jan 31 2004, 03:47 PM
I'm fairly confident that the end of the Earth will come from
the end of the Sun. The death of humans? That'll probably come before then in the form of a nuclear disaster/war.
LittleIrishVampiress
Jan 31 2004, 06:57 PM
but 2012 is too soon!!!

i wanna live what life i can and research and learn!!!

hopefully they're wrong
whatever the weather, i sure hope theres something interesting waiting at the other side, if anything at all...
joc
Jan 31 2004, 07:16 PM
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| QUOTE | QUOTE the increase in famine |
| QUOTE | That is due to a number of factors including increasing population, crop failures due to global warming and its knock on effects. Lets also remember that most famines occur in poor countries with no stable agriculture in place, and were the average family includes more memebers than their income can feed. |
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There haven't been any crop failures due to global warming because global warming is a myth.
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| QUOTE | | the "holy wars" of the middle east, |
| QUOTE | | Thats a human caused issue which began with Western Imperialism in the area leading to increased resentment, Isreal's frequent acts of geniocide don't help Middle Eastern relations either. Lets also remember Christians had a similar habit of holy wars 700 years ago |
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Israel's frequent acts of genocide? Are you really serious? Oh yeah, I forgot...
seems like everyday some whacko Israeli straps on a belt-bomb and walks into
a Palestinian place of business.
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| Only one of them will end the world(core explosion...never heard of that one...), the rest would just destroy life on the planet. The planet will still be there, just you won't be. Keywords here are "end" and "world". If you said end of all life....then you might be getting there... |
Exactly! For all we know Mars had populations of life as well. Someday life may
cease to exist on this planet.
Although if Haley's comet crashes into the Earth it really could be the end of
the life and the end of the planet. What an exciting day that will be............
man_in_mudboots
Feb 1 2004, 03:30 PM
| QUOTE (Blood Angel @ Jan 30 2004, 11:56 PM) |
| QUOTE (man_in_mudboots @ Jan 30 2004, 08:21 PM) | scientifically it could be a disater(meteor, core explosion, sunflare, ice age), a human invoked disater (nuke war, nanotechnology, disease), or just the big ka-splat. |
Only one of them will end the world(core explosion...never heard of that one...), the rest would just destroy life on the planet. The planet will still be there, just you won't be.
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true, the "end of the world" could be interpreted to mean the end of the planet, and i guess thats what your thinking of, or "the end of the world" as im thinking of it, meaning the world we know being gone; no more life or civilization. that too would be the end of our world.
Novo
Feb 1 2004, 09:34 PM
The cure for cancer
man_in_mudboots
Feb 1 2004, 10:18 PM
| QUOTE (Student&Alive @ Feb 1 2004, 08:34 PM) |
| The cure for cancer |
what? please explain your last statement, either im very dense, or your not making sense.
Azael
Feb 1 2004, 10:29 PM
The moon shall to turn to blood and fall from the sky.
KayEl
Feb 2 2004, 01:16 AM
So, any ideas how the world would end?
In any case, GOOD RIDDANCE!
Roswell1973
Feb 5 2004, 01:26 AM
I think it will be from a giant "laser" from my moon base.
AXIOMS
Feb 8 2004, 08:31 AM
If "GOD" were to end the world it would definitely be the end of its recognition as we understand it. At least the GOD that some people call "Him" or "Her" .Because no phallic qualities exist anywhere in the universe - that we know of - except on earth. By suggesting the meaning of existence as we know it has a gender trait is to make it as fragile as mankind, and just as dependant on mankind as mankind is supposed to be on it. But that just illustrates mankinds dellusion of grandiuer. To be so self righteous so as to think that the meaning of life is so centered around mans existence so as to propel the notion that the meaning of existence would detail its formulas purely for mankind, in mankinds formats, in a universe that it created so that mankind could not even breathe beyond the atmospheric sanction of one nano biosphere in a vastly vacant system.
One could say that the world will end though I tend to phrase the climax to say that we will come to discover that the world never really existed. That the perception we derive from our bio mechanisms is really just a ' dimensional prison' or 'prism'. We need oxygen to survive and yet we are confined in a small space in a very, very large system that is lacking of oxygen. Yes, we have been able to create oxygen supplies, though to what extent. Still, we cannot simply leave earths lower atmosphere and escape! Even if we leave earth in a space ship we are confined to arduous appiratus that will down size, but will still be necessary yet never as dependable as simply breathing the "natural" atmosphere. Even on earth most of the enviroment does not contain enough oxygen for our prolonged survival.How much of the land is low lying enough for us to breathe comfortably? How much of earths mass is ocean?When you break it down mankind is imprisoned by his own necessaity!
So saying the world will end - behind any intent - would first arouse the question of wether mankind retains, gains or transfers any indiviual or collective self recognition upon annihilation. Would thier be any concept of ourselves as we are now, then?If so then the world doesnt really end, we just change arenas. If not, then we'll never know if it ends!
SilverCougar
Feb 8 2004, 10:02 AM
BUT I DON'T WANT IT TO END YET!!!
I still gotta do stuff!! Like.. like.. STUFF!!
And they're only "holy wars" because that would get the populace in a succesful fenzie to rise up and be all mean and stuff...
(gods, 2 am, no sleep, my voice of reason is getting weird...)
Talon
Feb 8 2004, 11:28 AM
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| There haven't been any crop failures due to global warming because global warming is a myth. |
.... well, we'll keep that our little secret ....
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Thats a human caused issue which began with Western Imperialism in the area leading to increased resentment, Isreal's frequent acts of geniocide don't help Middle Eastern relations either. Lets also remember Christians had a similar habit of holy wars 700 years ago
| QUOTE | Israel's frequent acts of genocide? Are you really serious? Oh yeah, I forgot... seems like everyday some whacko Israeli straps on a belt-bomb and walks into a Palestinian place of business. |
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Youy'll find that that is an act of terrorism. The Isrealis tend to keep to running over refugee camps with tanks, wiping out villages, Killing peace protestors, launching missles at civilan targets etc etc Its funny how its the people who suffered under the Nazis who decided to continue their legacy.
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Although if Haley's comet crashes into the Earth it really could be the end of the life and the end of the planet. What an exciting day that will be............ |
Actually Haley's comet would not have the impact needed to destroy Earth, it would simply cause a Second Impact senario.
Grapevine
Feb 15 2004, 05:56 AM
As some may beleive. The world will never end. It will stand for a place know in the Bible as Hell for to keep all the Bad forever.
In relation to the story[bible], all that will end is just TIME.
Yep ya get to throw da clocks away. For the amount of Time alotted in the story is bout up.
Cant wait no more Time.
Peace.
Grape.
Bleed49
Feb 17 2004, 10:15 AM
The end of the world is really close and i belive it too.. cause every detail of the past life till the present and the future is writen in the holey quran...
Do you want to know when the World will End and what happens later?
Events in Balkans (Former Yugoslavia) could be the prelude to more serious problems in the Middle East. Basically World War I started due to the political upheavals over there and WWII was actually the second part of the unfinished drama of WWI. Now based on the Prophecy of our Final Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), if one analyses, will find out that the Final War between Muslims and Christians will begin from the conflicts in the Balkans (Either Albania, Macedonia, Croatia, Serbia or Bosnia....) and spread over to the Middle East (Arab Lands).....
A war between Muslims and Non Muslims in the Arab Lands
Victory of Muslims in this war under the leadership of Imam Mahdi from the "Ahle Bait" (the Noble
Family of Our Final Prophet Muhammad-peace be upon him).
Second coming of Jesus or Eisa at Damascus City in Syria who will kill Dajjal and rule the world as per Islamic Laws.
Coming of Messiah Dajjal who will claim himself as God and do marvelous things to deceive the ungodly people. He will be killed by Isa Alaihissalam (Jesus) upon his second coming.
Appearance of Gog And Magog by breaking the Wall built by the Great Muslim Emperor 'Zul Qarnain'
The Last Chance for Disbelievers to believe in Allah (before)- Rising of the Sun from the West.....
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Other important signs before the end of the world:
Coming of Messiah Dajjal at the time of Jesus (during the second coming of Eisa or Jesus-peace be upon him. Messiah Dajjal will be followed mainly by Jews. He will be killed by Eisa (Jesus). During the period of Jesus, there will be no other Government nor any other Religion other than Islam. He will rule according to the Guidance and Laws of the Holy Qur’an. All people will become muslims and they will live happily. Almighty Allah will give them a life of prosperity and peace.
Rising of the sun from the west.
When a slave lady gives birth to her master (this could have many meanings).
When the Shepherds of black camels start boasting and competing with others in the construction of higher buildings.
When the public authority is committed to those who are not fit to exercise it, be ready for the Day of Judgement.
Most of these are visible in front of us. Those who were very poor, who couldn’t even afford a meal a day (who starved for days), could now be seen owning big buildings, luxurious cars and houses, traveling by air quite often, eating and spending lavishly.
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EDIT: I've removed all the proselytising from this post. Bleed49, tell us how your religion interprets the end of the world by all means, but please refrain from preaching.
Talon
Feb 17 2004, 10:47 AM
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| to those who isnt belivers i would only ask them to read more about Quran and islam.. to have more information about other holy books. |
I've never bothered to read the bible, why would I read the Quran
As a man of science, I'm afraid my belief still lies with the world ending in 10 billion years.
wolverine
Feb 17 2004, 02:05 PM
Hay Bleed49
Guess what I've heard this before along time ago when my father was stationed out in Saudi Arabia as a aircarft pilot.
I became interested with Arab culture because in Jeddah as a kidd I use to have very strange scary dreams of hairy people totaly covered from head to toe in hair and there head's would revolve round like an Owl's and some times about evil people with one eye in there forheads or eye's in the palm of the there hands and they were called Dajjal to and gogs and magogs and people with slanted sheild like faces. it was scarry stuff for 9 year old. well the dreams re-occured regularly...became very worrying for my parents.
So I told someone one of our local arab nanys and they explained some people in the holy city can see the evil thats comming on this earth on the day of judment and some can see paradise. it did not make much sense to me then but I remember because I was taken to englishing speaking Imam to explian my dreams to him.
Strange that reading your text has brought it all back to me...
phenomenon
Feb 17 2004, 04:15 PM
The earth will cease on the day the sun runs out of gases to fuel it's massive core.The sun will swell to incredible portions and the earth's surface will be incinerated, the oceans will boil and life will be exterminated.Science does have its uses people.This of course is 10's of billions of years away.
As for holy scripts and phylosophical dreams, oh please!
Talon
Feb 17 2004, 07:31 PM
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| I've never bothered to read the bible, why would I read the Quran |
Btw before people attack me for being a racist or making insults, I meant that in a jokey way not an insult.
stillcrazy
Feb 17 2004, 09:26 PM
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QUOTE I've never bothered to read the bible, why would I read the Quran
Btw before people attack me for being a racist or making insults, I meant that in a jokey way not an insult. |
Talon, I don't some people read your other post and understand your sense of humor and sarcasm. I didn't think the comment was racist or insulting.
I have read the bible and the koran, didn't change my mind on the end of the world, just killed my mind on reading.
Opinion only. I feel that the end of the Planet will be by eith the sun burning out or the planet will be struck by a yet unknown big arse object. As foor humans becoming a thing of the past. Will be at our own hands. Oh well. Will the last one alive please shut off the lights.
X~File_Agent
Feb 17 2004, 09:35 PM
I agree with Still. However, if we do realize the sun is going to blow up, hopefully by then, we've manged to spread through the universe.
Celumnaz
Feb 17 2004, 09:43 PM
I don't REALLY think it'll happen this way, but what's that planet that's big in our solar system? Jupiter? Saturn? Whichever, I remember a discussion years ago on what would cause it to become a sun.
Man, if it became a sun... either fry us or gravity hurl us somewhere or something... In a daydream science fiction type way I can see the moon getting sent out into space... then the Earth... people (if there are any) would see two suns or something... see the moon get smaller and smaller... then the suns get smaller and smaller... Then it'd get all cold or something...
Just daydreaming
I believe what the Bible says'll happen.
Fluffybunny
Feb 17 2004, 09:51 PM
| QUOTE (stillcrazy @ Feb 17 2004, 01:26 PM) |
| Opinion only. I feel that the end of the Planet will be by eith the sun burning out or the planet will be struck by a yet unknown big arse object. As foor humans becoming a thing of the past. Will be at our own hands. Oh well. |
I absolutely agree with you on that point. I don't think we need a God in the mix when considering the end of humanity, as we seem to be able to handle that job all by ourselves pretty well. We've all been training for killing each other for as far back as written history goes. We seem to be getting better too...
Talon
Feb 17 2004, 09:57 PM
| QUOTE |
| I don't REALLY think it'll happen this way, but what's that planet that's big in our solar system? Jupiter? Saturn? Whichever, I remember a discussion years ago on what would cause it to become a sun. |
Jupiter is the largest planet in the system, followed by Saturn. And yes, there are theories that they could be set off and turned into stars. I don't know exactly how but Star Trek does it all the time
Talon
Feb 17 2004, 10:00 PM
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| Talon, I don't some people read your other post and understand your sense of humor and sarcasm. I didn't think the comment was racist or insulting. |
Thanks, I make sarcastic comments all the time, but a lot of people unfortuantly seem to think I'm being serious. I just felt that I best make sure everyone knew I was being sarcastic before it we had another visit from Captain Insano.
stillcrazy
Feb 17 2004, 10:03 PM
Hey no problem. Just doing my part to keep us all talking and not getting offended cause someone dosn't know how to read.
Talon
Feb 17 2004, 10:06 PM
Btw, what happened to your posts a while back where you only seemed to post [post removed]? Also, you musta had one log break, how did you get so far behind, you and I used to be tied on post count?
stillcrazy
Feb 17 2004, 11:04 PM
Alread answered in PM. Now I got to post like crazy to catch up. Needed to take time off to keep the paychecks coming in. With the politics in full swing, I've been busier than a (Fill in the Blank)
See ya
Seraphina
Feb 17 2004, 11:12 PM
Well...I'm gonna throw in with the peeps who say the earth's gonna go when the sun goes super-nova...
However, I think humans as a species are going to be long gone by the time it happens

The chances of us lasting ten billions years are probably impossible...we'll either be extinct, or have evolved into something else...
It's not impossible (and in fact, given the frame of time, it's quite likely actually) that we'll be struck by another meteor along the way that'll wipe out 80% of life on the planet again. We may or may not be here to see it when it happens, but I wouldn't think it would actually destroy the planet...might even just act like a reset button on mammalian evolution
LittleIrishVampiress
Feb 17 2004, 11:45 PM
but maybe we'll divert the asteroid...its possible they're coming up with all kinds of ideas that could work even as we type! im not so sure that we'll become extinct. i think we are engineered to last!!!

ive seen some really cool documentaries and if we just put our minds to it we could start to spread out into the universe, adapting and terraforming!!! sounds like fun!!!
as for god, if there is a god i believe he'll have nothing to do with our demise. he is beyond us and couldn't be bothered to kill us all, leave it to ourselves, and if we do succeed on lasting the death of our sun, well what the hell, thats fine and dandy too!
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