I was just looking on Wikipedia about the Philadelphia Experiment, a supposed Naval experiment back in WWII times trying to get a ship to have invisible properties, making it invisible to the naked eye. To read the full sypnosis, click here , if some other people could discuss their viewpoints on this matter that would be great. I feel as if this story was a little exaggerated. I am 100 percent sure the Navy tried making a ship invisible to the naked eye, but come on, people starting on fire and getting lost??

I was working on a book (fiction) about that. The way the world works now-a-days everything out of the ordinary involving the government has it's wide spread shot at being a conspiracy, as for the P.P. or Project Rainbow I believe, they were not only shooting for Invisibility but "particle" travel as well. I was privilaged to some Documents and such in the course of researching the book. Thats all I can say right now, However go to the Library of Congress they may have a helping hand!

they went into the future when the experiment malfunctioned

There is one I haven't heard from in a while

The Philadelphia Experiment is fiction. According to the story a very strong electro-magnetic field was applied and via the interrelation between gravity and electro-magnetism they could make the ship invisible by bending light around it.

Well, first of all, a theory combining gravity and electromagnetism has yet to be derived and not because of lack of efforts. We thus don't have a description of the expected effects now and we certainly didn't have it back then. Secondly, much more powerful electromagnetic fields than were ever possible at that time have later been produced and nothing of the kind have ever been seen.

Sooo....

Best,
Badeskov

When your done I'd like to read your book sounds like a fun read

I believe the whole thing was a hoax. A rather cleverly engineered hoax, but a hoax nonetheless.

more info here

THE MONTAUK PROJECT , THE PHILLIDALFIA EXPERIMENT...

I watched a few youtube documenterys on this......some how it eneded up ending with greys and reptilians. I too think we tried to dematerialize a ship...and may have created havok in doing so. But creating Time Travel, Opening worm Holes to other demensions?? I dunno about all that....But at this point I dont know whats real and whats not anymore....

Why would you start this thread when there is already one on this topic here? It makes it confusing for people who are researching topics to find various threads. Don't be so lazy.

EDIT: Fixed spelling mistake

Why would you revive a thread that's been dead for almost 3 months just to point out a thread that's been dead for almost 5 months...?


Cz

Exactly.LMAO.

Point well made and taken...thanks.

Yep.


The facts are that the Navy does all kinds of experiments, many of them secret. Many of these experiments attempt to find military applications for the latest discoveries or theories in physics, such as Einsteins unified field theory. It seems to be a fact that the Navy was experimenting with "invisibility" in 1943, but not with making ships disappear.

They sent the crew ashore and they wrapped the vessel in big cables, then they sent high voltages through these cables to scramble the ships magnetic signature. This operation involved contract workers, and of course there were also merchant ships around, so civilian sailors could well have heard Navy personnel saying something like, "theyre going to make us invisible," meaning undetectable by magnetic torpedoes....

The central claim of the Philadelphia experiment may have a basis in fact, however. The Eldridge left the harbor at 11 p.m.

Someone looking at the harbor that night of the "experiment" might have noticed that the Eldridge wasnt there any more and it did appear in Norfolk.

It was back in Philadelphia harbor the next morning, which seems like an impossible feat, if you look at the map you will see that merchant ships would have taken two days to make the trip. They would have required pilots to go around the submarine nets, the mines and so on at the harbor entrances to the Atlantic.

But the Navy used a special inland channel, the Chesapeake-Delaware Canal, that bypassed all that. They made the trip in about six hours.



Such is the mundane stuff that urban legends are made of.

It seems this thread is not so dead after all...

Who was around at the time?

Tesla, Einstein, Neumann...

What was possible and impossible in that time period changed dramatically, why do people find it so hard to believe that time, as a dimension, can be manipulated just as easily as for instance electricity?

in the end...

Neutron, proton, electron.

I thought you were 'April Frooling' us for a moment

as an ex Navy guy, i can tell you, some equipment (like radar antannas) will cook your flesh if you are exposed to close. it was later that this was used to invent the microwave oven. so i believe sailors could have caught on fire with experimental equipment in the 1930's.

I vote...hoax!

Or, to be charitable, confusion deriving from "the fog of war."

Just a gut feeling after reading about the proposals for this experiment, but I think it happened!

Oh I am sure some experiment happened, but as Hazzard wrote earlier, certainly not as described in popular myth.

While they had powerful magnets at that time, immensely more powerful superconducting magnets are in use nowadays and they have yet to make anything invisible or make something "teleport". I think some high energy physicists would be rather disappointed if some of their superconducting coils for particle steering suddenly vanished and popped up in Oregon...And it certainly doesn't make metallic materials act like quicksand suddenly having people imbedded in it. It's complete BS, but makes for a great story .

Cheers,
Badeskov

By no means at all look at the time period!!!

The popular opinion is that time-space manipulation does not exist, along with the government conspiracies surrounding how this technology would have had the means and minds to have been invented...

Neutron, proton, electron.

All containing an electromagnetic charge... therefore all forms of matter adheres to electromagnetic law, therefore everything is energy, therefore it is simply a matter of finding out what energy to manipulate.

As it is commonly believed, we have 3 dimensions of space, and one dimension of time. Time, however, has been perverted into blocks and numbers, the ticking clock that endlessly pushes you forward towards change...

as it is known, the faster you move(as in reaching the speed of light) the slower time becomes, and at light speed time no longer exists...

It is not possible for mass to travel faster than light, we know this to be true. As you will see the universe is infinite, and there are probably more than one way to reach the speed of light.

Find the highest number there is... everyone knows this is impossible, because in the search for larger and larger numbers, you continually find that mathematics has infinite possibilities for any singular number...

the snake who eats his tail? infinitely cycling, and with no end in sight or otherwise...

How do you travel faster than the speed of light? Have no mass... It is the simple idea that by having a field of electromagnetism "lighter" than the surrounding field you will float upwards...
Having less "mass" because you are using the repulsion of the earth own field...

In fact...

Here is a popular media icon who does just a thing...

Chris angel... having all the symbolism and death-worshiping quality of the youth of today!
Can you spell Satanism?
Can you spell the only reason they let you see it is because they have far more impressive things behind the curtain of modern "accepted reality?"

Type "chris angel levitation revealed, or trickery, or fakery" and try to figure it out...

The "trickery" is not the illusion of levitation... the trickery is, the assumed method does not account for technology that does exist...

A good magician doesn't reveal his tricks, because some things are illusions, and some things are outright real...

They called Tesla a Wizard, and by right he was a wizard!!!

EDIT: forgot to include that according to Tesla the "frequency" of space/time could be manipulated, compression and expansion are also the key to faster than light travel.

Like the theory goes, fold the space and punch a hole through it, rather than travel across it.

We live in many more dimensions than are physically perceived. This is because the physical world is only the fraction of a surface, what lies below and above is seldom ever watched, definitely not kept up with, and has even been labeled boring by popular culture.

What IS NOT boring like the search for truth?

Booze, Religion, Girls, Junk Food, Football, Movies, TV, Concerts, Drugs(in this i mean synthetic drugs, the plant itself is a pure source which comprises the natural biodiverse balance of natural chemicals...)

Essentially all the things that travel in the direction of the destruction of the self through distraction and denial...

It is afterall, a Mad World, and on that note, i give you these lyrics...

All around me are familiar faces
Worn out places, worn out faces
Bright and early for their daily races
Going nowhere, going nowhere
And their tears are filling up their glasses
No expression, no expression
Hide my head I want to drown my sorrow
No tomorrow, no tomorrow
And I find it kind of funny
I find it kind of sad
The dreams in which I'm dying
Are the best I've ever had
I find it hard to tell you
'Cos I find it hard to take
When people run in circles
It's a very, very...

Mad World

Children waiting for the day they feel good
Happy Birthday, Happy Birthday
Made to feel the way that every child should
Sit and listen, sit and listen
Went to school and I was very nervous
No one knew me, no one knew me
Hello teacher tell me what's my lesson
Look right through me, look right through me

Hide my head I want to drown my sorrow
No tomorrow, no tomorrow
And I find it kind of funny
I find it kind of sad
The dreams in which I'm dying
Are the best I've ever had
I find it hard to tell you
'Cos I find it hard to take
When people run in circles
It's a very, very...

Mad world, mad world, enlarging your world
Mad World

The crazy thing is that all of that makes sense - unless what I was taught in science class as a kid was incorrect. As in the laws of physics would have to be wrong.

There are definately scientists who believe in the possibility of other dimensions, or time travel, or that time is an illusion. As far as I know they can't disprove that things you mentioned above can be achieved and that it more likely that not can be done - if what you say above is true, then it already has been.

I'll have to look up the Chris Angel trickery stuff I guess to maybe understand it better - sounds like it might be interesting.

I am sorry, but I have no idea where to begin and where to end and what you actually mean by your post.



Uhm, in what sense?



Nope - the neutron doesn't hold a charge, thus it's name (from neutral). And just because you know what to manipulate does in no way imply that you actually have the means to manipulate it!



I think you need to read up on your theoretical physics.



I wouldn't put it exactly like that, but ok, I think I know what you mean.



Uhm, most likely not. There is really only one way of reaching the speed of light and that is by accelerating.



And this ties in with exactly what?



And this is what?



This sentence is just wrong in so many ways I have a hard time of where to start. Nothing can, according to physics as we currently know it, travel at velocities exceeding that of the speed of light - with or without mass! And electro-magnetism has no mass, so it can't be lighter than anything else. That is just pure nonsense.And what do you mean by floating upwards?! And what surrounding field. By all due respect, but that was just an amazing display of lack of knowledge of this field.



What repulsion and what field?!

See next post...

..continued...



Are you comparing illusionists with science?!



No, he wasn't.



BS.



That has nothing t do with Tesla, that is a worm hole and is a solution to Einstein's general relativity. Not as easy as it sounds.



Again, I think you should read up on some physics - it is neither boring nor ignored.



Please start with your self



What?



I will repeat myself, what?



By all means of respect, but are you on some medication we should know about?

Cheers,
Badeskov

PS: You managed to write however many lines as a reply to my post without even actually replying, rather posting more manure than seen on a high volume production cattle farm...

I wouldn't worry, this is quite normal for our friend Zaus.

So I have learned - apparently I don't come in this section often enough

Cheers,
Badeskov

Its not even pseudo-science. All people like Zaus ever do is read the headlines of populist physics articles, re-translate it through some filter in their heads and mesh all the ideas together to form a wholly illogical and utterly scientifically baseless "hypothesis" (I use this word hesitently).

Okay, maybe I don't know if exactly what Zaus said regarding this stuff is true, but don't the laws of physics allow for such scenario's to exist?

I mean, I know there are definately scientists that believe, or think, time travel on the surface of things should be possible. I know there are others that also believe it would make sense for other dimensions to exist.

Are you guys saying that it's known such things are not true, or are not possible?

I'll repeat myself - Zaus is mentioning things that have some form of scientific grounding in the loosest possible way, and then chucking them together and coming to his own conclusions (and they are is own - I have never read anyone else come to such strange conclusions).

Its like saying "well, a proton travels and the speed of light, and a proton is a particle, therefore all particles can be made to travel at the speed of light, therefore we can travel at the speed of light"

like this sentence:



Beyond amateurish.

I agree, this was uttered by someone without even the remote knowledge of physics and science in general required to fall into the pseudo-science category. Has nothing to d with a hypothesis - I could not figure at all what was actually said (to me it was a string of disjoint and blatantly wrong sentences)...

Cheers,
Badeskov

The so-called Philadelphia experiment is nothing more than a fictitious story concocted by the twisted mind of Carlos Allende. It does not come from leaked classified papers, inside informants, or any other conspiracy drivel.

In 1955 Allende scribbled a bunch of nonsense in Morris K. Jessup's book Case for the UFO then mailed it to Admiral N. Furth, then Chief for the Office of Naval Research.

It may be of interest to point out that Allende wrote on the envelope the words "Happy Easter".

Honestly, I don't think anybody would be able to decipher that pile of "scientific sounding" garbage. At least none really came by my BS filter. Emma explained it very well, but this is so far out that I just couldn't help chip in on it.



No, not at all. String theory operates with many dimensions, and that is recognized by many scientists as one of the candidates that could lead to the Grand Unified Theory (the theory of everything ).

Please allow me to elaborate a little on that snippet of Zaus' that Emma picked out:



Again, there are so many things wrong with this "utterance" that if I didn't know better I would have thought that he really put some time and effort into cramming as many wrong things as possible into it.

Neutron, proton, electron is about the only correct part of that and only because it is spelled correctly. I have doubts that he even realizes what those particles are. But then it goes south, and seriously so.



1. The neutron is neutral; only the proton (+) and electron (-) have charges
2. The is no such thing as an electromagnetic charge. There is an electrical charge and an electromagnetic field resulting from the charge.



3. No. For one, neutrons do not as they are..tata..neutral in this respect.
4. What electro-magnetic law? There is no such thing. The theory of electro-magnetism is governed by a number of laws, each decribing a small sub-set of this field. (examples, Faraday's law of induction, Lenz's law, Lorentz' electromagnetic force law, ect).



5. No, everything has an energy equivalent, as decribed through Einstein's E=mc^2. One can annihilate matter and release the energy equivalent, but that doesn't mean that it is energy.



6. We don't have different kinds of energy in this sense.
7. Just because we can manipulate energy doesn't mean that we can do whatever Zaus is postulating (still trying to figure out what that actually is).
(8. Nothing is simple in physics).

That was 7 (or 8) blatantly wrong statements, absolutely ludicrous misconceptions in 33 words only!!! One would be hard pressed to find a better example of a person exhibiting such a complete lack of understanding of mid or high-school physics, math, logical reasoning and general vocabulary and grammatical concepts.

Cheers,
Badeskov

How can something like that become that BIG!!? I just dont get it...anyway thanks for posting hazz...

Well, look at, Roswell, say ... that didn't become big until nearly 30 years afterwards, when someone brought out a book... same here, more or less...

That is because you cannot grasp the concepts, which is not surprising to me, considering what garbage the science of today is...
A perfect example, is that they do not want you to know what the ancient egyptians knew, or what tesla knew. If people knew those things we would live in a world of free energy and energy conservation...
We do not... we live in a world of waste and surface value above all else...





In the sense that most people think that time or space manipulation cannot occur even by high-tech means and manipulating the various different electromagnetic and "extra-dimensional" counterparts.




I did not say that i know how to manipulate it, i am just bringing to light Tesla's theories of physics VS. the modern BS physics.
Here is a link, in sciencenewsonline, that supports my theory... though i wouldn't trust any information from there because they are lying to you anyway.



Just imagine for a moment, that math could show you a shape which exists in 4 dimensions of space...
it is known as a tesseract also



Its proven by E=mc2... in order to reach the cosmic speed limit you must be massless(energy), it is called time dilation.



accelerating is a relative term. For instance there is the physical speed of the craft, the physical speed of the universe, w/e. I am talking about an acceleration through the nooks and crannies of time and space.
I wouldn't have the foggiest clue how to actually DO it, but i find it funny so many people throw it right out the window and never try...




Math is an idea... that is all.
Math is an idea that can be used to predict natural forces and artificial forces alike.
Math is what everything is written by, all living things adhere to mathematical laws, as the laws of nature use math ALL THE TIME.
All the parts of your body, everything around you, everything you have ever seen obeys mathematical/natural laws.
It is the make-up of the entire universe, but sadly almost no one understands enough about it even though 100 years ago a man named Tesla was making all of the inventions, experiments, and had written all of the mathematical equations that summed them all up.

Those mathematical equations brought about one of mans MOST USED, LEAST APPRECIATED invention ever... The Tesla Coil...
an excerpt
"If, as happened in practice, Tesla made an antenna of the high-voltage end of his secondary, it became a powerful radio transmitter. In fact, in the early decades of radio, most practicable radios utilized Tesla coils in their transmission antennas. Tesla himself used larger or smaller versions of his invention to investigate fluorescence, x-rays, radio, wireless power, biological effects, and even the electromagnetic nature of the earth and its atmosphere."



A representation of the limitlessness of the universe and mathematics that has existed since greece if not ancient egypt... It is called the oruroboros.





They said you couldn't break the sound barrier... what makes you think light is any different, i mean in all reality we are dealing with the EXACT same spectrum of matter/energy.
Here we see a case where the government intervened in order to keep this information out of the publics hands...
Knowledge, and the suppression thereof, as you can imagine is top priority...
Point still being the electromagnetic spectrum also encompasses hearing, sight, feeling, taste, etc.
Why? Because it is vibration...
In-fact here is the proof that Tesla's electric model is much better at explaining reality than Gravity!!!!

The interesting thing shown in this video is how when they input stricktly electric equations, they were able to calculate the exact spin of a spiral galaxy.

Meaning the mathematical equivalent of Telsa's study of natural laws, and the knowledge thereof is ignored... by design...

due note Tesla's theories were ignored less 100 years ago, when the "wizard" proved every bit of it true in front of thousands of people at the worlds fair...

The Earths... electromagnetic field? um... have you ever heard of a "compass"?

Think about condensation and evaporation of water... it is "liquid" until it is cooled... whereby it becomes dense and turns into a solid, ice floats because oxygen molecules become trapped in the freezing process because the hydrogen atoms and oxygen atoms align and form crystals. The spaces between these crystals causes "ice" to be 5% to 10% less dense than water(which is free-floating
hydrogen/oxygen)hence why ice floats.

Evaporation occurs when the temperature is brought up, exciting the molecules thus lowering the atomic mass and allowing the hydrogen/oxygen gas to climb high into the atmosphere... only to be condensed and fall back to earth. The point?

We are talking about the interaction electromagnetic particles...

What happens when you get a bunch of cold air molecules and a bunch of hot air molecules together? the two produce an... ELECTROMAGNETIC storm.

But why? Because it is the difference in temperature that makes interactions of the electromagnetic particles more pronounced.

Along this line of reasoning, you could use the earths own electromagnetic waves(that travel back and forth across the globe) as a means of travel.



Why not, you don't even realize you have been deceived!

excerpt from above link in the LA TIMES... i hope you can actually read all 1130 words.





Dear sir... i do believe you are being a completely ignorant, irrational fool...

The world exists as it does today because of ONE MAN... his name was Nikola Tesla, and he gave more to humanity than you could ever conceive of.

Please look at this link here, it is nothing more than writing's by Tesla during his personal monolithic research of reality and electrical phenomena.
Many of these were written over 100 years ago!!!




Exactly, and a wormhole requires extra dimensions! Do you think that in Tesla's research he did not openly believe and search for ways to manipulate these dimensions, or the energy thereof?



Go to google, type in "biodiversity" and see what the "definition" is... i know its hard but your a trooper you can do it! thats FOOD.
Now think for a moment what booze, religion, sex(advertisment), junk food, movies, TV, concerts and drugs all have in common...
Still don't get it? Spiritual death by the machine, for the machine.




ok, but repeating yourself is what the entire game is comprised of.

I do not take medicine, it destroys the mind. Then again, usually people who need drugs have already destroyed their mind and are looking for physical, emotional, or mental numbness.



I was unaware you asked a question...

First, allow me to caution you regarding name calling on these forums (ie, it's not allowed).

Second, please educate yourself in some basic physics; here's a good starting point. Badeskov is actually trying to help you (and others) understand why some of the 'information' (I use the term loosely) presented here is simply without support/merit. No one is saying that it's not good to "think outside the box", but utter denial about the factual nature of the universe is highly unlikely to point us in the correct direction.

Oh yes, beyond amateurish... It is simply a matter of knowledge. I Wouldn't have the foggiest clue as to how to actually apply it(as does noone here) im simply not closed to the possibility.
I reason that the possibility exists, and that there have been many who have gone searching for it, including the greatest man ever hands down, Tesla.



1) Proven wrong as seen above. And besides, if the proton has an electromagnetic charge... and an electron has an electromagnetic charge...
What causes the neutron to NOT HAVE AN ELECTROMAGNETIC CHARGE... ?? ?? ?? ?? this cannot be true, for the simple reason that electromagnetic energy travels back and forth endlessly from positive to negative more like a fast moving fluid...
I give you... A NEUTRON STAR, a STAR composed of mostly or solely NEUTRONS. it gives off MASS QUANTITIES of electromagnetic radiation in the form of radio waves.

2) I speak very loosely, as the leyman nearly ever understands what is beyond him. If you want to talk the talk, i suggest you look to a link i will provide, the most complete overviews of the flaws in the understanding of electricity are found here
At amasci.com

I don't like using the actual "lingo", it upsets people even more than just the idea!!!



3) still repeating yourself eh?
4) i am speaking of the laws of the unknown laws of nature, and of course there are many theories about it!!!!



5) So you propose, that we as living beings, and the planet earth itself, and all the stars and planets and galaxies contain no "energy" whatsoever until they are annihilated? What do you mean?
6) You still assume that there are no other forms of energy that can be manipulated... so it makes sense you don't believe there are other forms of energy to be manipulated...


You can do anything if you up your mind to it, most people close their minds and go home empty though... its is a Mad World after all... going in circles repeating "facts" to support the ever more dreadful world we are headed towards...

And now a word from our moderator...





Well, there should be an equal scolding for our stero-type "debunker". Who even at the possibility decides...



Is not my opinion that we are being constantly deceived and mislead by powers that be equally valid?

In my own defense Tesla's life work proved many scientific models at the time(and today) invalid by APPLICATION.

The man was in every sense of the word a Wizard...

And yes utter denial of the factual nature of the universe IS highly unlikely to point us in the right direction...

It only takes an open mind to realize what was going on at the time of the Philadelphia project, and the minds that were involved in it!!!

I think someone's got the hots for Tesla...

If there was any point arguing with Zaus, you could point out that Tesla, in his later years particularly, was almost as much a showman as he was a scientist, and not everything he claimed to be able to do should be taken completely at face value. As the Wikipedia says, . ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikola_Tesla )

And point out that while he was actually a brilliant engineer, he was more that than a brilliant scientist. He was in almost all aspects of his work taking the theoretical work of others and putting a practical angle to it.

Cheers,
Badeskov

Give me a break, you should have the brain to figure out why they hide Tesla's work...

Electrical World and Engineer, January 7, 1905 Tesla Writes a article entitled

link to above article

Here in another article...

Quick question to Zaus back on topic.
If some scientist working for the government managed to teleport a whole battleship back in the 1940s, how come that technology wasn't developed & is not now commonplace. Howcome we still have too get on an aircraft & travel for ten hours rather than walk through a 'teleport' door & arrive at our destination instantly.
Why wasn't this discovery developed any further?

yes; even if the results of the experiment weren't what they'd originally planned, surely they'd hit on something extremely useful here? If they'd invented (even if inadvertantly) a transporter device that could beam anything to anywhere else in 1943, wouldn't they have siezed on the idea and developed it? Even if it wasn't working perfectly in 1943, they'd surely have been able to iron out the wrinkles by now. And if they're as evil as we're always being told they are, they wouldn't have been too worried about a few unfortunate side-effects on some of the crewmen, would they?

Exactly. Did scientists stop developing the atom bomb even tho' they didn't know wether or not it would slip the planet in two, Did they stop the space program when three astronauts burnt up on re-entry. Did they stop building airplanes when the first airliner crashed killing all on board. If this sort of technology had been stumbled upon 60 years ago, by now it would be in common use. What government in their right mind would pass up the opportunity to develop such a technology.

The obvious explanation being that the US government is keeping it very secret so the rest of the world can't get it. This obviously negates it's usefulness, but as a CT, who cares, eh?!

Cheers,
Badeskov

They are not hiding Tesla's work, he was just plain out wrong in some of his more "fantastic" work. All his publications are available, so if he really had some ground breaking results others would have siezed upon them and the world would look very different today.

Forget Tesla. Great engineer, not so great scientist.

Cheers,
Badeskov

I'll bet there's a whale of a Zausian answer a comin' on that question!

Well I'll be danged.
Somebody finally said it!

Somehow, I knew it would be you!