Im a World of warcraft addict. can you geuss what i'll be doing

sounds like fun . I need to get a new computer game too. I'm bored.

I like adventure games for example like Syberia, Riven, Myst & some simulation. They relieve stress. (a beautiful escape)

Pill,

I am not by any means saying Hitler or other cowardly murders like him do not deserve some kind of punishment. However to wish an eternity of suffering and agony on anyone is counter productive, and more cruel than any thing they may have done on this earth.

What would be the point of condemning anyone to hell for eternity? What lessons could they possibly learn if they are in constant agony? I would think after the 1st 2 days of unrelenting pain one would completely forget who they were and what they did wrong in the 1st place.

This is one of the reasons I am an atheist. I just can not condone a god or religion that backs eternal pain and suffering. Especially when your god lumps everyone into the hell bound category regardless of the sin/crimes they have committed. For example indigenous peoples whom have never heard of Christ are going to hell, innocent babies who died and were not baptized, are going to hell right along with mass murders, rapists, and me. That doesn’t seem right or just to me, I would expect more from a god than that.

World of warcraft is an amazing game. theres so much you can do. i'll try to find the video that made me join wow.

thats the thing... its not god that sends you there... its yourself. we are given the choice to do the right thing or the wrong thing. we are given the choice to follow the light or follow the darkness.

RP ,but remember we would still not send our kids to eternal hell. I don't know if you are a parent,but we can't accept it.

If my child rapes & murders, and no one could stop him (her?) exept myself, then, yes, I will kill my own child to stop them. To protect others.

But i would still not put ANYONE in eternal hell,not alone let it exist. I just cannot accept people being more empathetic than god,himself.

If this is my mere mortal humanity than I am proud & thankful. I really,really doubt that this is the case. (that god is less empathetic)

I do agree that eternal hell is a little much, but i dont make the rules.

No one does.

What really confuses me is if people who dont believen a god, a hell, a heaven, then why are they so concerned about hell?

Look deeper. God gave you a wonderful mind for a reason. If you have a good intuition use it.

I can't say any more

Pill,

I am not concerned about going to a place that I don’t think exists, however I have been told that I am going there so many times by christians that I feel a response in necessary. Also when my daughter was around 6 years old an unstable evangelical woman told her that she and her whole family was going to burn in hell. It took days to calm my little girl down after that.

Here are some quotes to show you just how sick & cruel these men were: Note this site/link is from a conservative Christian that DOES NOT believe in the concept of hell & goes to great lengths on his site to show why so


Quotes from Christian Perpetuators of the Mythology of Hell:


Jeremy Taylor

"Husbands shall see their wives, parents shall see their children tormented before
their eyes…the bodies of the damned shall be crowded together in hell like grapes
in a wine-press, which press on another till they burst…"


Lengthier quotes:

Tertullian
"How shall I admire, how laugh, how rejoice, how exult, when I behold so many
proud monarchs groaning in the lowest abyss of darkness; so many
magistrates liquefying in fiercer flames than they ever kindled against the
Christians; so many sages philosophers blushing in red-hot fires with their
deluded pupils; so many tragedians more tuneful in the expression of their
own sufferings; so many dancers tripping more nimbly from anguish then
ever before from applause."

Jeremy Taylor of the Church of England
"The bodies of the damned shall be crowded together in hell, like grapes in
a wine-press, which press one another till they burst; every distinct sense and
organ shall be assailed with its own appropriate and most exquisite sufferings."

Jonathan Edwards (A Calvinist of the "Great Awakening" fame. Newspapers
reported people leaving his sermons and committing suicide from the fear
he instilled in them.)

"The world will probably be converted into a great lake or liquid globe of fire,
in which the wicked shall be overwhelmed, which will always be in tempest,
in which they shall be tossed to and fro, having no rest day and night, vast
waves and billows of fire continually rolling over their heads, of which they
shall forever be full of a quick sense within and without; their heads, their eyes,
their tongues, their hands, their feet, their loins and their vitals, shall forever
be full of a flowing, melting fire, fierce enough to melt the very rocks and
elements; and also, they shall eternally be full of the most quick and lively
sense to feel the torments; not for one minute, not for one day, not for one
age, not for two ages, not for a hundred ages, nor for ten thousand millions
of ages, one after another, but forever and ever, without any end at all, and
never to be delivered."

John Calvin (Who had some of his theological enemies burned to death in
green slow-burning wood.):

Calvin describes hell as: "Forever harrassed with a dreadful tempest, they
shall feel themselves torn asunder by an angry God, and transfixed and
penetrated by mortal stings, terrified by the thunderbolts of God, and broken
by the weight of his hand, so that to sink into any gulf would be more
tolerable than to stand for a moment in these terrors."

The Reverend C. H. Spurgeon in his sermon Sermon on the Resurrection
of the Dead:

"When thou diest, thy soul will be tormented alone; that will be a hell for it,
but at the day of judgment they body will join they soul, and then thou wilt
have twin hells, thy soul sweating drops of blood, and thy body suffused
with agony. In fire exactly like that which we have on earth thy body will lie,
asbestos-like, forever unconsumed, all they veins roads for the feet of
pain to travel on, every nerve a string on which the devil shall forever play
his diabolical tune of 'Hell's Unutterable Lament.'''
(Quoted from Christ Triumphant by Thomas Allin)

Night Thoughts by Young
"Father of Mercies! Why from silent earth didst thou awake and curse me
into birth, tear me from quiet, banish me from night, and make a thankless
present of Thy light, push into being a reverse of Thee and animate
a clod with misery?"
(Quoted in "The Bible Hell" by J.W. Hanson, page 28)

Reverend J. Furniss, C.S.S.R in his book The Sight of Hell
(A Catholic book for children)

"Little child, if you go to hell there will be a devil at your side to strike you.
He will go on striking you every minute for ever and ever without stopping.
The first stroke will make your body as bad as the body of Job, covered,
from head to foot, with sores and ulcers. The second stroke will make
your body twice as bad as the body of job. The third stroke will make your
body three times as bad as the body of Job. The fourth stroke will make
your body four times as bad as the body of Job. How, then, will your body
be after the devil has been striking it every moment for a hundred million
of years without stopping? Perhaps at this moment, seven o'clock in he
evening, a child is just going into hell. To-morrow evening, at seven
o'clock, go and knock at the gates of hell and ask what the child is doing.
The devils will go and look. They will come back again and say, the child
is burning. Go in week and ask what the child is doing; you will get the
same answer, it is burning; Go in a year and asks the same answer
comes--it is burning. Go in a million of years and ask the same question,
the answer is just the same--it is burning. So, if you go for ever and ever,
you will always get the same answer--it is burning in the fire.)
-- (Quoted from Christ Triumphant by Thomas Allin)

More from Reverend J. Furniss, C.S.S.R

"The fifth dungeon is the red hot oven. The little child is in the red hot oven.
Hear how it screams to come out; see how it turns and twists itself about
in the fire. It beats its head against the roof of the oven. It stamps its little
feet on the floor."
(The Sight of Hell)
(Quoted from Christ Triumphant by Thomas Allin)

Reverend E.B. Pusey, D.D.

"Gather in one, in your mind, an assembly of all those men and women,
from whom, whether in history or in fiction, your memory most shrinks,
gather in mind all that is loathsome, most revolting * * * conceive the
fierce, fiery eyes of hate, spite, frenzied rage, ever fixed on thee, looking
thee through and through with hate * * * hear those yells of blaspheming
concentrated hate, as they echo along the lurid vault of hell; everyone
hating everyone * * * Yet a fixedness in that state in which the hardened
malignant sinner dies, involves, without any further retribution of God,
this endless misery."
(Quoted from Christ Triumphant by Thomas Allin)

Night Thoughts by Young from "The Bible Hell" by J.W. Hanson, page 28
"Father of Mercies! Why from silent earth didst thou awake and curse
me into birth, tear me from quiet, banish me from night, and make a
thankless present of Thy light, push into being a reverse of Thee and
animate a clod with misery?"

Had enough ? There are many more like these...................


for link and references here>


http://www.what-the-hell-is-hell.com/AncientHell.htm

that is scary!!!!....too many zealots for too many years...but there is hope in the future....learn the truth for yourself in God's Word...hell was never created for man but for the fallen angels and lucifer....the lake of fire is for the final judgement and the only one who the Bible says will be tormented for ever is lucifer/satan...that's my understanding anyway...but my plans are not to be there...i plan to be having the best coffee ever sitting in front of the River of Life soaking my tired feet...

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Reason,

Thank you for posting those kinds and loving words from a few of christs earthy representatives. I'm sure jesus is very proud, and pleased by these encouraging words to his children. I especially liked the one were god actually does the torturing and tormenting himself. Usually god has the devil do his dirty work.

I have been stocking up on beer, marshmallows, and hotdogs in anticipation of my predicted stay in hell. The only flaw in my plan is how to keep the ice from melting.

I dont think i have ever gotton a full dose of inspiration such as that before.

"The fifth dungeon is the red hot oven. The little child is in the red hot oven.
Hear how it screams to come out; see how it turns and twists itself about
in the fire. It beats its head against the roof of the oven. It stamps its little
feet on the floor."

deliciously deviant... More ideas for my novel.... but in any case, i would not listen to these people. From what i have heard, people spend more time preaching the horrors of hell rather than the joys of hell. All i can say is that i do believe hell exists, and that only deserving people who have caused great sorrow, pain, anger, greif, etc. and have not changed their ways and asked for forgiveness will go there. But those who have done the opposite of that, will go to heaven... and no, children cannot go to hell because they do not know any better. People just tell these children this to assure they will not cause any trouble, but these people are being too graphic. all i would tell my child is that hell is a bad place, and if you do the right thing and live with a positive aura and help others, bring joy, and happiness, you will be happy forever. seriously, if your gonna be telling children about hell, being graphic is not the way to go.

Maybe, or maybe not. But i can guarntee one thing jesus is not your salvation only GOd is.