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Neognosis
Bigfoot was not located, captured, or killed over the hilliday week.

A possible explanation:

No bones or fossils have ever been found because bigfoot probably burries his dead
Burrial of the dead inplies society of at least a primitive level
All Societies have rituals
Most every society on earth right now has some sort of holliday in late December
It is logical, therefore, to assume that bigfoot, a natural creature who must be very much in tune with nature and the movement of the sun would be aware of and mark the winter solstice
Probably by staying inside with his family and clan

Unless bigfoot hibernates, we may see him in this coming week, though. I know that after a week of partying, I feel the need to get outside and exercise.

I"m going to the Adirondacks this weekend on a cold weather overnight snowshoe. I'll keep my eyes peeled for signs in the snow.

Neo----OUT.
:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR:
I'm not surprised. It's just as challenging as finding that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.
chaoszerg
Don't bother taking a camera with you because it will only suffer blurry camera syndrome.
:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR:
QUOTE (chaoszerg @ Jan 4 2008, 02:44 PM) *
Don't bother taking a camera with you because it will only suffer blurry camera syndrome.


I hate it when that happens.
Neognosis
I wasn't planning on taking a camera to save the weight, but maybe I'll take one anyway. You never know! I would hate to come back having seen bigfoot and not having any proof. That would be ridiculous!
danielost
QUOTE (:PsYKoTiC:BeHAvIoR: @ Jan 4 2008, 12:20 PM) *
I'm not surprised. It's just as challenging as finding that pot of gold at the end of the rainbow.



i have been to the end of the rainbow once. must have been the wrong end.
chaoszerg
QUOTE (Neognosis @ Jan 4 2008, 07:09 PM) *
I wasn't planning on taking a camera to save the weight, but maybe I'll take one anyway. You never know! I would hate to come back having seen bigfoot and not having any proof. That would be ridiculous!


It's okay we see plenty of blurry unfocused evidence on here anyway.


Delfedd
Here's the biggest problem with your theory.

Bigfoot is an impossibility.

For Bigfoot to exist for the 10,000 years that he is supposed to have lived on this continent, there would have to be two mating pairs say, every twenty years.

Now lets say that for arguments sake, for some reason Bigfoots do not have the incest taboo present in ALL animals (that is a fact. No male creatures continue to hang out with it's family once it gets old enough to breed.) And lets say that each generation successfully breeds.

Now. The absolute bare and unrealistic minimum of number of bigfoot would be 50,000. 50,000 inbred creatures, barely surviving.

This is the reason that I discredit the Champy myth.

I do not, however, discredit the Yeti myth or the Loch Ness myth.
Neognosis
Why don't you discredit the yeti or loch ness myth based on the same idea?

Maybe bigfoot learned to use birth controll or has a very long gestation period, say about 100 years?
Raptor
QUOTE (Neognosis @ Jan 4 2008, 07:22 PM) *
Maybe bigfoot learned to use birth controll or has a very long gestation period, say about 100 years?


Let's stick to realistic arguments...
Neognosis
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Let's stick to realistic arguments...


Why do I have to do that? It's no fun that way.

Bigfoot is an UNKNOWN and UNSTUDDIED creature! We can make him ANYTHING we want! Maybe they go invisible when humans are around. Just because we haven't seen another use invisibility, doesn't mean it doesn't exist. You can't prove that bigfoot doesn't become invisible!

Delfedd
So basically what you're saying is that bigfoot is a creature that we don't know about and that is impossible for us ever to know about.

You have to ask yourself, if it is entirely impossible for bigfoot to be known, then is it really that different from a creature that doesn't exist?

Incedentally, every species of animals has its own natural birth control. Also, if a creature had a gestation period of 100 years, it would have died out. A LONG time ago.

Here's why I don't believe in bigfoot and Champy but I do believe in the Yeti and the Loch ness monster. Loch Ness is more closely connected with the sea than lake Champlain. The mountains where the yetis are said to live are less traversed than the mountains that bigfoot is said to live in. (He's supposed to live in the ROCKYS by the way, that might be another reason why you couldn't find him.) There are no great apes in north america aside from humans. Everything we know about bigfoot is derived from fossil knowledge of other great apes. So unless you're proposing that bigfoot is "Magic" and thus everything I can possibly say to counter it is wrong, then you don't have a foot to stand on.
AllP0werToSlaves
^ Touche good sir.
Neognosis
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So basically what you're saying is that bigfoot is a creature that we don't know about and that is impossible for us ever to know about.


Until we catch one, that is!

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Also, if a creature had a gestation period of 100 years, it would have died out. A LONG time ago.


Not if their LIFESPAN was 300 years or so!

Loch Ness is not connected to the sea.
Loch Ness could not support a population of sea creatures.

Diane Fossey says bigfoot is real!
Delfedd
QUOTE (Neognosis @ Jan 4 2008, 08:03 PM) *
Until we catch one, that is!

And, praytell, how would we do that if we can't see them? and, apparently, in their entire history, have left two footprints and no spoor?


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Not if their LIFESPAN was 300 years or so!

Which is an impossibliity. The oldest animal that has ever lived was a 400 year old Clam. And we know about the life cycles of the Great Apes, and We are the longest lived one, and we only have achieved that recently through medical science.

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Loch Ness is not connected to the sea.

Yes it is.

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Loch Ness could not support a population of sea creatures.

Correct. Which is why it doesn't. It's just that occassionally a sea creature gets stuck in there.

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Diane Fossey says bigfoot is real!


No she doesn't. Do you know why? because she's been dead for over 20 years.
Neognosis
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And, praytell, how would we do that if we can't see them?


That was just a THEORY. Maybe they just hide real good. There's black bears all over NY and pennslyvania, but I never saw one.
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and, apparently, in their entire history, have left two footprints and no spoor?
They've left TONS of footprints and a film that is proven to be a real animal, not a man in a suit.

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Not if their LIFESPAN was 300 years or so!

Which is an impossibliity. The oldest animal that has ever lived was a 400 year old Clam.


Ah...that we KNOW of!

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Loch Ness is not connected to the sea.

Yes it is.


Proof or citation, please.

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Correct. Which is why it doesn't. It's just that occassionally a sea creature gets stuck in there.


But nowhere else? And their bodies never wash up anywhere? We've never caught one in a net by accident? Becasue they aren't real anymore.
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Diane Fossey says bigfoot is real!


No she doesn't. Do you know why? because she's been dead for over 20 years.


No, wait! I meant Jane Goodall.

Plus, how do you explain all the native stories about bigfoot? People woulnd't make up a story with no basis in reality.
GypsyWolf
Okay my thought on bigfoot is this, at least 70% of the bigfoot sightings are ACTUALLY a small bear or something of that nature. 20% of the other bigfoot sightings are hoaxs/man in a suit/furry on crack, and maybe 5% are simply liars looking for attention. However, there is a rare 5% that does see SOMETHING weird. it is absolutely possible that their are animals out there that we have not yet discovered. Let me remind you that most carnivores can and do eat bone-- am I suggesting cannibalism? Why sure, it is possible. Let me also point out that archeologists have just now-- like in 2007 began finding new fossils of dinosaurs never explored before so maybe it's only a matter of time. Also, they have discovered through preserved dino mummie (yes I watch Nat Geo a lot) that some of the dino's do not look as we thought they did-- so maybe they have found it and simply discredited it as an ape skeleton.

I live in NC and I have done some traveling around the south so I can speak for the South when I say, there are areas here that are completely unreachable, particularly in the mountains. I mean as if so densley wooded and so steeply inclined, it would be dangerous to even attempt it. The weekend bigfoot hunter wouldn't even dare tacle some of the W. VA and VA mountain ranges-- the NC mountains aren't much different. We have swamps out towards the NC coast that would be perfect habitat for something wanting to stay hidden.

But I don't see anything odd at all about bigfoot, if he is real. Animals evolve to suit their climate and range-- and it happens often. Yes, as a believer in God created all things, I'm saying animals evolve-- that's the beauty of nature. So sure, it's possible there's some hairy creature running rampant through the woods and swamps.

No, I haven't ever seen bigfoot myself. I have investigated a few sightings in this area that turned up nothing possibly because it was as I suspect a bear. I have seeen very large human like foot prints, but there's no gaurantee they were his/hers.... as for lake monsters and cryptids-- sure I'm willing to believe MOST of them because as I said, animals evolve. Genes are tricky little things and there are thousands if not millions of mutations that can happen and make cryptids real!
Raptor
QUOTE (Neognosis @ Jan 4 2008, 08:23 PM) *
They've left TONS of footprints and a film that is proven to be a real animal, not a man in a suit.


Proven, how?

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Plus, how do you explain all the native stories about bigfoot? People woulnd't make up a story with no basis in reality.


That's true, the Easter Bunny told me.
Delfedd
QUOTE (Neognosis @ Jan 4 2008, 08:23 PM) *
They've left TONS of footprints and a film that is proven to be a real animal, not a man in a suit.


Oh man, the bigfoots left a film about how they're real animals and not men in suits? Amazing. Although that does explain why the dean is so hairy...



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Ah...that we KNOW of!

Correct. Because a) basing science from things we know nothing about is not only pointless, it's dumb, and cool.gif if an animal could live for four hundred years and remain fertile for that entire time, there wouldn't be any room for people in America.


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Proof or citation, please.

"The Caledonian Canal, which links the sea at either end of the fault, uses Loch Ness for part of its route"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loch_Ness

And don't you DARE tell me that wikipedia is an unreliable source.


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Plus, how do you explain all the native stories about bigfoot? People woulndn't make up a story with no basis in reality.

Yeah, I've got to agree with the easter bunny on this last point, you convinced me. Because every single myth ever is one hundred percent real.
diann
i know that big foot is real
i also know where he can be found
i have seen him face to face
Raptor
QUOTE (diann @ Jan 4 2008, 09:03 PM) *
i know that big foot is real
i also know where he can be found
i have seen him face to face


ohmy.gif! Did you hear that?

The sound of my belief system changing!
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (diann @ Jan 4 2008, 03:03 PM) *
i know that big foot is real
i also know where he can be found
i have seen him face to face

Why do we get posts like this? Good grief. no.gif
Neognosis
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Oh man, the bigfoots left a film about how they're real animals and not men in suits? Amazing. Although that does explain why the dean is so hairy...


LOL LOL LOL!


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The Caledonian Canal, which links the sea at either end of the fault, uses Loch Ness for part of its route.


It links to the sea via a canal.

why do they only show up in Loch Ness, then?

Why have we never caught one? Found a body? Because Nessie is the convergence of two currents that make a wake, that's why.
makaya325
you expect the forest to spit out bigfoot for your satisfaction? thats not how it works. you have to spend months exploring 3 million plus acres at night, including the cascade mountains, oregon, washington and california. then you can tell me its not real. until then, dont complain, just look!!
Belle.
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Jan 5 2008, 01:10 AM) *
dont complain, just look!!


Thems your orders Neo! Get cracking!
NatalieK
QUOTE (Neognosis @ Jan 5 2008, 02:19 AM) *
Most every society on earth right now has some sort of holliday in late December
It is logical, therefore, to assume that bigfoot, a natural creature who must be very much in tune with nature and the movement of the sun would be aware of and mark the winter solstice
I"m going to the Adirondacks this weekend on a cold weather overnight snowshoe. I'll keep my eyes peeled for signs in the snow.

Clever thinking Neo thumbsup.gif there's a good chance Bigfoot and his family ventured out to visit their Yeti cousins for the Christmas period. They're probably still hung-over from their New Year celebrations also. Perfect time to sneak up on them. I'm glad to see you're taking the initiative wink2.gif
DaTBoYFrOMTeXaS
They didn't find him because he didn't exist. Period.

Seriously people, grow up and accept reality. Even if he really did exist and we found him, then what? Is he going to bring us gold? Will he grant us wishes?

Will all you people finally be happy and shut up?

Truth is. If we find him, then we'll say cool, be interested for a couple of weeks or months, and then forget about him. He's not going to give us anything in return so why do you people want to find him so badly?

Do y'all still believe in Santa Clause as well?
danielost
Do y'all still believe in Santa Clause as well?



don't know about anyone else but i do .
Incorrigible1
QUOTE (DaTBoYFrOMTeXaS @ Jan 5 2008, 12:15 AM) *
They didn't find him because he didn't exist. Period.

Seriously people, grow up and accept reality. Even if he really did exist and we found him, then what? Is he going to bring us gold? Will he grant us wishes?

Will all you people finally be happy and shut up?

Truth is. If we find him, then we'll say cool, be interested for a couple of weeks or months, and then forget about him. He's not going to give us anything in return so why do you people want to find him so badly?

Do y'all still believe in Santa Clause as well?

Just a ray of sunshine, eh?
espdracomth
QUOTE (DaTBoYFrOMTeXaS @ Jan 5 2008, 12:15 AM) *
They didn't find him because he didn't exist. Period.

Seriously people, grow up and accept reality. Even if he really did exist and we found him, then what? Is he going to bring us gold? Will he grant us wishes?

Will all you people finally be happy and shut up?

Truth is. If we find him, then we'll say cool, be interested for a couple of weeks or months, and then forget about him. He's not going to give us anything in return so why do you people want to find him so badly?

Do y'all still believe in Santa Clause as well?


I'm divided on finding him. It would be a great wake up call for scientist to realize we still don't know everything about our world. But on the other hand...knowing humans ...well find Bigfoot and then within months he'll be extinct from poachers, thrill seekers, zoos and all the other usual atrocities done to nature by man. For now I'm content with protecting Bigfoot and the fellow fauna & flora.
danielost
It would be a great wake up call for scientist to realize we still don't know everything about our world. But on the other hand...knowing humans ...well find Bigfoot and then within months he'll be extinct from poachers, thrill seekers, zoos

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they already have him and the yeti in zoo tycoon. does that count.
DaTBoYFrOMTeXaS
QUOTE (Incorrigible1 @ Jan 5 2008, 12:48 AM) *
Just a ray of sunshine, eh?


Yo momma's a ray of sunshine.
Incorrigible1
QUOTE (DaTBoYFrOMTeXaS @ Jan 5 2008, 01:15 AM) *
Yo momma's a ray of sunshine.

Very high brow of you. I'll bet you're the life of the party.
Jack_of_Blades
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Will all you people finally be happy and shut up?


...... no

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Truth is. If we find him, then we'll say cool, be interested for a couple of weeks or months, and then forget about him. He's not going to give us anything in return so why do you people want to find him so badly?

Oh I sort if doubt that, science just forgeting about the only other known bi-pedalape.
He would (if he's real) give us a treasure trove of information
reguarding evolution, our own past, and it would be a wake up call to many people such
as yourself.

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Do y'all still believe in Santa Clause as well?

Santa is an illusion made by the moon light reflecting
off of the snow and back into the Aruora Borealis.
chaoszerg
QUOTE (Jack_of_Blades @ Jan 5 2008, 08:02 AM) *
Santa is an illusion made by the moon light reflecting
off of the snow and back into the Aruora Borealis.



My dreams are now destroyed.


*sobs* crying.gif
makaya325
bigfoot has been getting a bad reputation by the ignorant media and society. thats why no one looks for it bc they dont believe it could even exist. bigfoot is not living in crowded citys, hes living on one of the most remote areas of the world. thats why they cant find him. if it wasnt for a few teeth and a jaw, giganto would be a myth. fossil preservation is extremely rare. hunters wont shoot at anything, like bigfoot, bc they dont think a bullet would take em down.
chaoszerg
QUOTE (DaTBoYFrOMTeXaS @ Jan 5 2008, 07:15 AM) *
Yo momma's a ray of sunshine.



How original.
rolleyes.gif
Nik Xues
sometimes i hear the debunkers and i remember that hillbilly that says the moon landing never happened.

then i laugh at them.

bk2pt

i feel that those who look do it as a weekend trip.
its like a kid told to wear his scarf but he doesnt want to so he says he lost it but its not lost hes just not looking hard enough [try the mitt bin which is a no brainer].

a holiday example of a skeptic [worse a debunker] looking for bigfoot.

PS i wonder if bigfoot likes eggnog
Raptor
QUOTE (Nik Xues @ Jan 5 2008, 07:31 PM) *
sometimes i hear the debunkers and i remember that hillbilly that says the moon landing never happened.

then i laugh at them.

bk2pt

i feel that those who look do it as a weekend trip.
its like a kid told to wear his scarf but he doesnt want to so he says he lost it but its not lost hes just not looking hard enough [try the mitt bin which is a no brainer].

a holiday example of a skeptic [worse a debunker] looking for bigfoot.

PS i wonder if bigfoot likes eggnog


You think people don't find evidence because they're "skeptics"? No, what you're describing is a cynic. There is no real evidence which is why people don't believe it.

Skepticism = Systematic doubt, using reason and evidence.

You're not skeptical? Then you don't use evidence, so your opinion may aswell be considered false.
makaya325
QUOTE (Raptor @ Jan 5 2008, 08:35 PM) *
You think people don't find evidence because they're "skeptics"? No, what you're describing is a cynic. There is no real evidence which is why people don't believe it.

Skepticism = Systematic doubt, using reason and evidence.

You're not skeptical? Then you don't use evidence, so your opinion may aswell be considered false.



umm no evidence? didnt curt nelson just find dna of a unknown beast? combine 1000's of individual sightings, footprints that would require 700 pounds on your back, scat, hair, vocalizations, rocks being thrown, wood knocking, and native americans regarding it as "just an animal" than a spirit. add 3 millions plus acres, combine that with no expeditions, and what do you get? an elusive animal whom we underestimates it rarity.
makaya325
QUOTE (makaya325 @ Jan 6 2008, 06:37 AM) *
umm no evidence? didnt curt nelson just find dna of a unknown beast? combine 1000's of individual sightings, footprints that would require 700 pounds on your back, scat, hair, vocalizations, rocks being thrown, wood knocking, and native americans regarding it as "just an animal" than a spirit. add 3 millions plus acres, combine that with no expeditions, and what do you get? an elusive animal whom we underestimates it rarity.


skepticism= taking both sides of the story into account, according to a true skeptic marcello truzzi, people who only consider 1 side are pseudoskeptics,
explorer

You know, Bigfoot could also be an overgrown survivalist with a bad case of wolf man syndrome.
Incorrigible1
QUOTE (explorer @ Jan 6 2008, 02:23 AM) *
You know, Bigfoot could also be an overgrown survivalist with a bad case of wolf man syndrome.

Hilarious, simply hilarious. Or not.

Bigfoot is a well-known cryptid, who gathers much attention from many. That those whom come to this forum to discuss the creature/phenomenon should e subject to ridicule from many posting here seems to be a fault with this U-M forum. WTH? Must those who grant the creature could possibly exist have to continue to explain their belief on these threads? Gosh, I'm here to criticize, if such is allowed to prosper.
Saru
Neognosis, this is at least the third time you've posted this thread or something extremely similar to it, please stop starting these "Bigfoot not found" threads, they serve no purpose other than to ridicule and attack those who have a genuine interest in the phenomenon.
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