hi i would like to see if anyone could explain to me more about the dark arts cause ive heard of it and im the type ofd person that likes to know all about this kind of stuff, imagine i know all about most kinesis',im learning about shamans,i know about most things although i cant do any off it i can just do psyballs.So can someone plz explain this to me.

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Magic? If you believe in "white" and "black" magic, than you sir, are a moron. I assume you are talking about true occultism, and not stupid 'I can throw fireballs and kill people with a chant'. There is no black and white, anything can be used in a "good" or "bad" way depending on the practitioner, I suggest you look into a certain aspect of occultism you are interested in, such as Hermetics, Enochian, Hoodoo, Chaos magic, etc. and just find books about it and practice things, though from my experience, most people who are looking into this kind of stuff get all pissed of when they learn you cant pick up a book, read something out of it, and have a conversation with Satan.

at first i did this....and then what are psyballs. and why do you want to learn dark arts...If you consider them dark you are obviously rebelling against the light and you should think about this some more. you should never intentionally do something you consider dark.

sorry i just realized i put dark magic as topic,it is supposed to say "dark arts",i am not rebellin or trying to learn how ot do it i just want to read info about,to tell you the truth all i know is that you can summon angels and demons and the angels and demons could grant you with abilities that they specialize in but thats wat i read it was brief

I am not sure of your age, however we cannot just summons an Angel or Demonic, they find us. Where I come from they call it witchcraft, black magic, or voodoo. Lastly neither of the two can grant you anything, so I suggest if you want to learn abilities, study it, and pray to your guardian Angel..Once people get into the occult such as you are speaking of, they normally end up with a life of Hell, and making a pact with the Devil..JN

You are talking about Ars Goetia? The Keys of Solomon. Yeah, it's possible, but I doubt it's anything like you are thinking about, you don;t actually physically see the being, but you can tell it's there, you don't physically "hear" it, but you can, idk, its hard to explain, anyways, evocation takes a while of studying to do, you can't just pick up a book and summon a 'demon', as I said in my last post, most people want instant gratification and don't realize the spiritual discipline and length of time it takes to be able to do this things with any success.


I find that offensive, I know many people that are into withcraft, and vodou, and 1st of all, 99% of them don't believe in the devil, so they can't really ge tin a pact with them. It really isn't as "evil" as everyone says it is.

Sorry to break it to you. YOU CANT SUMMON anything.

I agree with JN.
Knowledge on the subject is good, but knowing anything you could actually use... Not good.

thats what i came here to do,im only asking people who have knoledge about this to share it with me r in other words tell me all you know about this instead of making fun of me or questioning me why do i want to learn it,i just like to know about this stuff doesnt mean im gonna do it

I am not making fun of you, I am appalled by the question. You wont find the answers here, so maybe do your own research, read books on the subject, and be careful what you wish for. JN

any suggestions on any books?

Here are some websites that have a huge selection to choose from, pick what interests you.
http://www.occult-underground.com/ebooks.html
http://vsociety.net/index.php?title=Magick_E-books
http://www.hermetics.org/ebooks.html

thank you lots for the web sites immma gonna look at em right now,thnx again

maybe you shouldnt go into the occult or practice any of these things, Ive had some experiences and I know people that have really bad experiences........dont be like aleister crowely look what happened to that nut.
what ever you do will always come back to bite you.

Crowley was a great man, true the end of his life was tragic, but still, the work he did throughout his life is great and very important to the occultic community, whatever you do will come back to bite you if, 1.you dont know what you are doing, and 2. you do it wrong, lol, pretty simple concepts, as I say a lot, occultism isnt nearly as bad as everyone says it is, the people who have bad experiences are the ones who try a goetic evocation the 3rd day they study these things.

hey goof. you recieve back what you put into the universe at 10 fold. make sure you put in good stuff.

Not really, if you are talking about karma, then yea, for people who believe in that, then its true, but still karma is not some cosmic kick in the butt for doing something wrong, the Wiccan rule of 3, plus any other things will come back at you thing, from what I know and the people I know, hasn't really been experienced by too many people who dont believe it to be true.

don't say not really. Really you get back what you out into the world. I do not believe in Karma I believe in one persom raching millions of people from just touching a few. That is how disease spreads also. and it could be a mathmatic proof. it is addition and multiplication, not Karma. you put out bad and that is what you are infecting the world with.

What I am referring to (and what I assumed you were in your last post, sorry if I misunderstood you) is the old "you curse someone, a curse will come back at you 3 times stronger" saying, which IMO is absolutely not true, sorry if that wasn't what you meant.

no im actually more closely refering to that Kevin Bacon game or 6 degrees of separation. you know how you are connected with every person on the planet at or within 6 people.

yea ive heard of that

well physically you can be connected to millions of people, so why can't your energies be connected to them too?
And what happens when you are rude? Evenyone finds out and is rude to you too. but you only have to be rude to one person and 10 others will punish you for it.

ive heard of Crowley and how he died,that was when i started learning about magic, but never knew he was that important.BTW again ive never done any magic or anything all ive done is meditate because it is required to have consentration though i never have done anything i wish to get ALL the knoledge first then give it a go.

And i dont believe in karma,its not like a bad person anyways so im not worried even if i believed in karma

good point, all magic is grey magic.

i think this guys been reading a bit too much happy potter, "dark arts"

I agree too much Happy Potter
The truth is, goof, if you want to really learn about anything the best place is the library, not the internet. Seriously.

Oh and karma exists, just ask my ex-husband.

Those who do know, will not tell you. Because these are public forums, and anyone can read them, so someone who knows nothing gets a little info and trys stuff and bad things happen. as has been said, it is best to do the research yourself.
there are online sites some have been mentioned, i will also add www.sacred-texts.com, as they also have some good stuff.

Do not limit yourself to only online information, you need to go out and get real books. and keep in mind, that any kind of rituals or spells that have been shared, are intended for those who already have a working knowledge of whichever discipline such spells come from and are not meant to be used by a novice. unless of course it is a book specificaly for beginers. even then, you need to be careful, as anyone can claim to be something and write a book. compare any information you get with other writings in the same area, for hermetics, compare what all those who have written on it have to say, yes there will be some minor differences, but there will be the same or similar information. If you have three that say you need to do something, then see a forrth that says you don't, then the forth is not to be trusted.

I advise you not to try any of these things, as very bad things can happen if not done right. at best, nothing happens, at worst you die a horrible painful death. I know you said you only want information, but as you study you will eventually want to try something just to see if you can do it. don't is my advice.

I used to practice hoodoo, thats something you shouldnt mess with.

i only heard of black magic and those people who use it for evil or in the wrong way died horribly so don't try it. There are many stories of people being charmed by love potions so strong that a powerful medicine man cannot break it. And people using simple black magic to make people lose the power of speech. Don't ask me how. I read the stories only.

Just let sleeping demons lie and find something else to occupy your time. Also for those who dont believe in demons which is your opinion,but a demon does not need someones belief to exist and they believe in themselves enough without you.

Yea what Methos said...