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jesspy
well duh

"Your golden globe is in the mail"

oscars cancelled too
glorybebe
QUOTE (jesspy @ Jan 7 2008, 05:20 PM) *
well duh

"Your golden globe is in the mail"

oscars cancelled too


Well, maybe the production companies should share the wealth and not shaft the people who are responsible for the whole premise of most of these movies and shows. IMO, the actors are paid WWWAAAAYYYY to much, pay the 'little' people more.
~Cheese~
Pay the " Little People"!!
Walter Sullivan
I'm not really worried. I don't watch the Golden Globes or the Oscars.
Sleeping with Fishes
QUOTE (glorybebe @ Jan 8 2008, 01:55 AM) *
the actors are paid WWWAAAAYYYY to much, pay the 'little' people more.


What about the little actors!!! Its a dangerous job you know.....

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~Cheese~
Lol.. I don't watch the shows either.
crtbud
QUOTE (T.A.F.K.A.S @ Jan 8 2008, 03:12 AM) *
What about the little actors!!! Its a dangerous job you know.....

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A result of little people making special effects yes.gif

Except for the real little people grin2.gif
ravergirl
im a writer not in a union. I can be witty. pay me. the actors worked this year and need a party DANG it. how am I supposed to live vicariously through these people with out the award shows??huh???huh??
louie
Unless you are working and making a living in that industery how does it really effect your life. in reality it dosent, its a company party your not invited to but allowed to watch.
tralalala
QUOTE (louie @ Jan 8 2008, 03:30 PM) *
Unless you are working and making a living in that industery how does it really effect your life. in reality it dosent, its a company party your not invited to but allowed to watch.


I do work in that industry... and I don't understand your post haha
ravergirl
QUOTE (louie @ Jan 8 2008, 09:30 PM) *
Unless you are working and making a living in that industery how does it really effect your life. in reality it dosent, its a company party your not invited to but allowed to watch.
it is an industry that i fully intend to work in. besides. TRIVIA is so important.
louie
QUOTE (ravergirl @ Jan 9 2008, 02:33 AM) *
it is an industry that i fully intend to work in. besides. TRIVIA is so important.

Na trivia is of no importance to life.
hope you suceed in your carrier ambitions.
ravergirl
QUOTE (louie @ Jan 8 2008, 09:39 PM) *
Na trivia is of no importance to life.
hope you suceed in your carrier ambitions.

trivia has every importance...otherwise how do you win at dinner parties??? and also jeopardy.
crtbud
Ahhh, yes... Jepardy... *strokes chin*
tralalala
QUOTE (ravergirl @ Jan 8 2008, 03:33 PM) *
it is an industry that i fully intend to work in. besides. TRIVIA is so important.

In which area are you hoping to work? pm me original.gif
Cadetak
I don't get it. The picket line is stopping them from airing the show?

All you need is a camera and guy handing out awards to have the show...I could hand out the awards in my backyard and shoot it with a camcorder.
tralalala
QUOTE (Cadetak @ Jan 9 2008, 03:53 AM) *
I don't get it. The picket line is stopping them from airing the show?

All you need is a camera and guy handing out awards to have the show...I could hand out the awards in my backyard and shoot it with a camcorder.


The lack of people willing to attend is what's stopping the show. No SAG members were going, and most DGA were skipping as well
Cadetak
QUOTE (tralalala @ Jan 9 2008, 11:10 AM) *
The lack of people willing to attend is what's stopping the show. No SAG members were going, and most DGA were skipping as well


Hmm I see. That kind of sucks for this years batch of movies...I was actually possibly maybe going to watch it this year.
tralalala
QUOTE (Cadetak @ Jan 9 2008, 08:18 PM) *
Hmm I see. That kind of sucks for this years batch of movies...I was actually possibly maybe going to watch it this year.


Yeah...I had a friend whose film was nominated....he was very excited....now not so much haha, he's a WGA member so even if they went ahead with the ceremony he would just have to picket it. It's a lose-lose situation.
Mad Manfred
The actors are boycotting and supporting this.

Ungrateful turds if you ask me...a lot of time, effort and cash gets put into these kinds of things to honour and award them...and this is what they do? And they're still getting their awards?

They shouldn't be given the awards and they should have the others they've received stripped from them.
tralalala
QUOTE (Mad Manfred @ Jan 10 2008, 09:12 PM) *
The actors are boycotting and supporting this.

Ungrateful turds if you ask me...a lot of time, effort and cash gets put into these kinds of things to honour and award them...and this is what they do? And they're still getting their awards?

They shouldn't be given the awards and they should have the others they've received stripped from them.



are you serious? The time and effort that goes into the awards ceremony is strictly for the financial benefit of the studios. And it isn't just the actors boycotting, the directors and writers are as well, because they're being ****ed over by the people proftiting from the awards. Why would they help make money for the people who walked away from the bargaining table and are responsible for hundreads of thousands of people losing their jobs, and costing the Los Angeles economy more than 700 million dollars so far. They're expected to lose more than 1.4 billion dollars before the strike is expected to end (probably not until the actors strike in July).

I don't understand how anyone could have anything negative to say about the actors/directors when they're just showing solidarity for the union responsible for giving them jobs. Most actors/directors would be unemployed if not for the writers, and the writers are treated worse than anyone else in the industry.

glorybebe
QUOTE (tralalala @ Jan 10 2008, 07:27 PM) *
are you serious? The time and effort that goes into the awards ceremony is strictly for the financial benefit of the studios. And it isn't just the actors boycotting, the directors and writers are as well, because they're being ****ed over by the people proftiting from the awards. Why would they help make money for the people who walked away from the bargaining table and are responsible for hundreads of thousands of people losing their jobs, and costing the Los Angeles economy more than 700 million dollars so far. They're expected to lose more than 1.4 billion dollars before the strike is expected to end (probably not until the actors strike in July).

I don't understand how anyone could have anything negative to say about the actors/directors when they're just showing solidarity for the union responsible for giving them jobs. Most actors/directors would be unemployed if not for the writers, and the writers are treated worse than anyone else in the industry.


and aren't the actors possibly going on strike in like June? I read that somewhere, can't remember where. So, if the actors want support from the writers, they have to support the writers.
tralalala
QUOTE (glorybebe @ Jan 11 2008, 12:24 AM) *
and aren't the actors possibly going on strike in like June? I read that somewhere, can't remember where. So, if the actors want support from the writers, they have to support the writers.


Yeah, their contract will be up soon, so will the directors. That's why everyone is supporting the strike, because whatever deal thew WGA gets will be the basis of the deal they get. No one is getting internet residuals right now.
jesspy
Do we really care anymore the strike has gone on for far too long sure there wont be anything on tv but we have computers to entertain us. Oh and we can always start streaming overseas shows like those soapies from spain and reality tv from japan i love their game shows
tralalala
QUOTE (jesspy @ Jan 12 2008, 03:57 AM) *
Do we really care anymore the strike has gone on for far too long sure there wont be anything on tv but we have computers to entertain us. Oh and we can always start streaming overseas shows like those soapies from spain and reality tv from japan i love their game shows



I care. Anyways, the only international show they're planning on airing is possibly the British version of the office on NBC. Otherwise, it's all reality shows.
seffy
QUOTE (tralalala @ Jan 12 2008, 09:06 PM) *
I care. Anyways, the only international show they're planning on airing is possibly the British version of the office on NBC. Otherwise, it's all reality shows.


You poor b******s. Our version of The Office sucked, it was terrible. Saying that, I'd prefer to watch that s**t than reality tv (and soaps).
tralalala
QUOTE (seffy @ Jan 12 2008, 03:14 PM) *
You poor b******s. Our version of The Office sucked, it was terrible. Saying that, I'd prefer to watch that s**t than reality tv (and soaps).



Really? I love the british version, I bought the dvds haha
jesspy
QUOTE (seffy @ Jan 13 2008, 08:14 AM) *
You poor b******s. Our version of The Office sucked, it was terrible. Saying that, I'd prefer to watch that s**t than reality tv (and soaps).



lol

I think seffy will agree with me here all they need to do is run dr who over and over agian and tv will be great
Mad Manfred
I still don't get the big deal...why doesn't "the industry" simply find more actors and writers? I'm sure there are more writers in America...? Or simply wait them out...after all...everyone needs to eat.
tralalala
QUOTE (Mad Manfred @ Jan 13 2008, 06:16 PM) *
I still don't get the big deal...why doesn't "the industry" simply find more actors and writers? I'm sure there are more writers in America...? Or simply wait them out...after all...everyone needs to eat.


The strike is partially about the AMPTP wanting to get rid of the unions so they can **** people over even more than they are right now. Yes, there are lots of people that want to write and act that aren't in the unions, but most studios have signed agreements stating that they won't hire outside of the union. There are a reason those people aren't in the unions. For the most part, it's because they aren't very good. There are a few people like Robert Rodriguez that chose to leave the union, but for the most part, non-union=unable to sell a script. If you think the movies that are being made are awful, you should see the crap that doesn't get made. I've seriously read scripts that made me want to tear my eyes out of my head and never work in film again.

There's no amount of waiting out that will make the writers, actors or directors give in on this. New media residuals are a huge deal, and with things heading more and more towards the internet, if they don't deal with the issue now, no one but the studio heads will see any of the profits.
Mad Manfred
QUOTE (tralalala @ Jan 14 2008, 04:10 PM) *
The strike is partially about the AMPTP wanting to get rid of the unions so they can **** people over even more than they are right now. Yes, there are lots of people that want to write and act that aren't in the unions, but most studios have signed agreements stating that they won't hire outside of the union. There are a reason those people aren't in the unions. For the most part, it's because they aren't very good. There are a few people like Robert Rodriguez that chose to leave the union, but for the most part, non-union=unable to sell a script. If you think the movies that are being made are awful, you should see the crap that doesn't get made. I've seriously read scripts that made me want to tear my eyes out of my head and never work in film again.

There's no amount of waiting out that will make the writers, actors or directors give in on this. New media residuals are a huge deal, and with things heading more and more towards the internet, if they don't deal with the issue now, no one but the studio heads will see any of the profits.


Ah, ok gotcha thumbsup.gif
Bill Hill

QUOTE (Mad Manfred @ Jan 14 2008, 12:16 AM) *
I still don't get the big deal...why doesn't "the industry" simply find more actors and writers? I'm sure there are more writers in America...? Or simply wait them out...after all...everyone needs to eat.


Too right! thumbsup.gif Sack em all.

Now perhaps then, they'll be forced to make my film...

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Tagline --- "We don't take kindly to no godless 'alien xenomorphs' around this here parts"

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"Is it dead?"
"Yes...sir..it's dead"
"Then Bend it over then and

er still working on the script...
Atheist God
QUOTE (tralalala @ Jan 13 2008, 11:10 PM) *
The strike is partially about the AMPTP wanting to get rid of the unions so they can **** people over even more than they are right now. Yes, there are lots of people that want to write and act that aren't in the unions, but most studios have signed agreements stating that they won't hire outside of the union. There are a reason those people aren't in the unions. For the most part, it's because they aren't very good. There are a few people like Robert Rodriguez that chose to leave the union, but for the most part, non-union=unable to sell a script. If you think the movies that are being made are awful, you should see the crap that doesn't get made. I've seriously read scripts that made me want to tear my eyes out of my head and never work in film again.

There's no amount of waiting out that will make the writers, actors or directors give in on this. New media residuals are a huge deal, and with things heading more and more towards the internet, if they don't deal with the issue now, no one but the studio heads will see any of the profits.


Well I understand why the writers are on strike the studios won't give in.... Fact is I see this coming down to who out waits who the longest and many of the writers are already struggling to put food on the table. The writers will go back to work whether they want to or not.

This being said very few live TV shows are the same w/o the writers. Bill Maher doesn't have new rules and Stephen Colbert no longer has his famous 'The Word' segment.... yeah the strike sucks.

Also I would be interested in seeing the stuff that doesn't get made, seems to me like many writers have been slacking on the job for far to long putting out mediocre and just plain awful movies for the last ten years. TV is still alright though... good shows pop up from time to time.

Maybe they should pay the writers by the hour like every other average Joe.... I dont see someone at an automobile plant making cars get royalties from every car sold despite the fact that they work hard to make them. People who manage to be successful in Hollywood are often paid 7 figures their work, sorry if i seem a little unsympathetic as their are people in Hollywood getting paid even less for more work.

Conceptual artists for example rarely find work and when you do it still pays less then penning a script most of the time.

Anywho I support a pay raise when I start seeing better movies.... remakes and sequels just dont cut it for me, I want original movies not yet done.... WGA how about a brain fart on that piece of paper or computer screen and make me a movie that will blow my mind.
tralalala
QUOTE (AtheistGod @ Jan 14 2008, 03:20 PM) *
Well I understand why the writers are on strike the studios won't give in.... Fact is I see this coming down to who out waits who the longest and many of the writers are already struggling to put food on the table. The writers will go back to work whether they want to or not.

This being said very few live TV shows are the same w/o the writers. Bill Maher doesn't have new rules and Stephen Colbert no longer has his famous 'The Word' segment.... yeah the strike sucks.

Also I would be interested in seeing the stuff that doesn't get made, seems to me like many writers have been slacking on the job for far to long putting out mediocre and just plain awful movies for the last ten years. TV is still alright though... good shows pop up from time to time.

Maybe they should pay the writers by the hour like every other average Joe.... I dont see someone at an automobile plant making cars get royalties from every car sold despite the fact that they work hard to make them. People who manage to be successful in Hollywood are often paid 7 figures their work, sorry if i seem a little unsympathetic as their are people in Hollywood getting paid even less for more work.

Conceptual artists for example rarely find work and when you do it still pays less then penning a script most of the time.

Anywho I support a pay raise when I start seeing better movies.... remakes and sequels just dont cut it for me, I want original movies not yet done.... WGA how about a brain fart on that piece of paper or computer screen and make me a movie that will blow my mind.



I don't think it will come down to who can wait the longest. Chances are, the strike will be over in July. The studios have enough stuff that they can keep going until the actors strike, which will then put the ENTIRE industry, even realtiy tv, to a standstill. You can't make those shows without hosts, and for the most part, the hosts are part of SAG or AFTRA. Thats why I think the WGA wasn't being too smart when they decided to strike in November, they should have held out until until July to strike with the other unions. Anyways, what's done is done.

And trust me. You do NOT want to see the crap that doesn't get made. It's not funny bad, it's just bad. So very bad. And while the writers aren't completely blameless for the sh**tiness of most movies of the past 10 years, the majority of the bad films happen as a result of the studios. If a writer sells a spec script and it sucks, yes, blame the writer completely, it's their fault. For the most part, films that get made are made because some guy with a lot of power/money thought of something that he decided was cool, and then paid a writer to write it for him. When that happens, the producer has creative control over the script, and anything he doesn't like, regardless of how clever or awesome it may be, has to go. And even on the rare occasion that a writer does sell a spec script, if they won't make the changes a producer requests, the producer will just hire another writer to come in and change it, sometimes so much that the original writer doesn't even get a credit on it, just the money. Right now, the only person getting away with doing whatever they want in a script is Diablo Cody, and even she had to do 3 drafts after they bought the script.

For the record, some members of the WGA are paid by the hour if they're hired to do quick revisions or script analysis. And writers aren't fighting for a pay raise. They're fighting for new media residuals. The reason writers are paid residuals and people who make cars are not, is because the materials written by the writers can be used to make money for the next 50 or even more years. Once a car is sold, the dealership stops being paid for the use of that car. With film, the company is paid everytime someone goes to the theater or turns on the tv. I'm wondering where you heard that writers make 7 figures? That almost never happens. When it comes to film, writers make 3-5% of the budget, not counting the advertizing budget. Believe it or not, most films don't cost enough for writers to make 7 figures, and for the huge projects where the writing budget would be that much, there's more than one writer and the money would be split.

As for people getting paid less in film, you're absolutely right. I'm not a WGA member, for the most part I do production coordinating, but I'm working to get enough credits to join the union. First of all, no one working regularly in film isn't poor. Even production assistants make more than the average person working in an office/retail/whatever. The reason writers and actors are paid more, is because they have 0 job security. I'm lucky enough to have below the line and above the line experience. Working below the line, you can work steadily for years. When it comes to writing and acting, chances are you won't ever find a job past the age of 30 or you'll sell 1 script and never sell another again. It's a tough industry, and there are too many people trying to get in for above the line people to stay around for long. Residuals are pretty much a retirement plan. Once you stop getting regular work, you have to leave the union, so you lose your health benefits, and the only thing you have is residuals.

In conclusions, the sequels, prequels, etc are commisioned by the studios, if you have issues with them, take it up with them. Wruiters know those movies suck, but have no influence on what gets made and what doesn't.

Sorry this is really long. If there's anything I didn't cover or that I should have elaborated more on, let me know.
jesspy
im just happy javier bardem won
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