For people that are still convinced dinosaurs exist. Why do you think this way? and what are some of the reasons people think they still exist?

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Becaus ethey take every word of the bible literally and believe that if dinosaurs were still alive that would somehow disprove basic evolutionary theory.

I started a thread a while back about this too. I asked for the evidence for why people believe. Check it out Show me the dinos! You will notice that no one offered anything as to why they believe dinosaurs are still out there. Pretty telling if you ask me.

Yep, usually the same old twisting tales and, "Well, they make new discoveries all the time, and lots of the world is unexplored."

New discoveries are made all the time and there are alot of places that haven't been explored. But your right about some people on here that believe that dinosaurs are still alive in some parts of the world, While it's possible you would think that a photo would surface here and there, But having said that even if there were video footage or pictures people would automatically cry fake. But i find it pretty arrogant to think we have everything figured out.

I am a total skeptic, and I know for a fact that Dinosaurs are extinct, but what annoys me about the believers is they make all this stuff up, such as crap like "Most of the world is totally unexplored and it is highly likely that large populations of Sauropods live on, untouched by mankind". That is, sadly an actual quote from a believer.

1. Its HUMANkind, not everyone is a man.
2. BS the world is unexplored. Its called Google Earth, mate check it out somtime.
3. Why is there no hard evidence, esspecially fossil evidence of living dinos, or evn recent ones?

THEN, he/she produced some blurry pictures of, well, blur, and told me that not even a skeptic could ignore them as evidence. I at that point gave up. THEN, he/she posts again and says:

"No matter how much evidence I'd offer you, you'd never believe in living dinosaurs".

Give me a non-blurry, not fake, clear picture of a dinosaur.
Give me clear footage.
Give me a corpse.
A living specimen would be nice.
A recent fossil.

But do we have any of those things?

Nup.

So therefore, at least until a later date with evidence, I say DINOSAURS ARE DEAD.

Google earth has nothing to do with exploreing the world it looks at the areas it dosent explore it. there is lots of the earth that is unexplored. but i agree there are no dinosaurs

Just testing out what the qoute button does there?

im not religious and i think the bible is mostly fiction.
anyways, i think theres the possibility because of all the sightings. from the natives and new travellers to the area. i mean, its not like the natives had anything to gain, or wanted to bring down some tourists to the area.
they were shown pics of a giraff, a rhino, a hippo and what not, and they had names for all of them.
but when shown a picture of a saurapod, they immediately pointed out that was mokele-mbembe. and what theyre people have been seeing.
plus in a dense conjo jungle, with about 20% explored. who knows. i mean dinos were there before. and it would be a great place to hide now.
thats my opinion

Dinosaurs = no. I have a whole thread on it. =P

Actually, I'm pretty damned sure most of the land HAS been explored - camped in, flown over, mapped.

And there's really no such thing as a recent fossil - if something is fossilized, chances are that species is extinct today. =P

I meant recent as in only a few million years ago. And there are NONE of these recent fossils of dinosaurs. Furthermore why does everyone think Dinosaurs would look exactly the same as they did millions of years ago. They would have evolved to be almost unrecognisable, for example Birds.

Agent. Mulder, I think you WANT to believe in Dinosaurs so much that you ignore the massive evidence against the idea and believe in them anyway. Just my opinion though.

negative.
i could careless about their existance. the only thing making me think that way, is the evidence that points toward them seeing some strange, large dino type creature out there. for many years.
but that was just your opinion, so dont worry.

If you're going to ask why people think dinosaurs exist why not ask why people think aliens exist? or ghosts or demons what have you. There is not phsyical evidence for any of them either

Um....well let's see. This is the cryptozoology section.

Fair enough, I respect your opinion , but Native Pygmy tribes in the Congo areas where the Mokele Mbembe and his pals are said to live have also said that rhino's are mokele mbembe and also on several occasions that it is not a physical being, but a spiritual mythical one. As much as I like the idea of Dino's still roaming, well, I guess I'll just have to cry myself to sleep bout thatt one.

Oh BTW did you mean couldn't care less about living dinosaurs or could care less? Was that a typo, because if it isn't I don't understand your post.

i dont know if they still exist but i doubt it,but there are some reports i read of people seeing pteradactals and i seen a vid on a site that shows a flying bird thats looks like one.

Oh sorry that was probably a bad example but what I was trying to say by that was, I mean, Look at Google Earth. Thats a powerful Earth veiwing tool, not for exploring, no, but powerful, and its a free computer tool. With the incredible Earth veiwing/exploring technology out there, somthing would have been seen.

Is the flying bird the thunder bird? I've heard of thata few times, Id ove more info about it if it is claimed to be a pterosaur, do you have more info?

go crypticmedia.

So far, nobody has answered the OP's question. And it's been 2 pages long.

I do not have a logical reason why dinosaurs should still exist, but sometimes I have the fanciful imagination that some species of dinosaur evolved into intelligence 65 million years ago, and then was forced to leave the earth after they polluted their environment and killed off the other large dinosaurs. Like what humans are doing now.

The question is, could a dinosaur evolve to become intelligent. And smaller too, to be bipedal plant-eating and maybe only 3 meters tall?

You do know that's the same as asking show me God.

Well, Capo, I myself don't think that dinosaurs are still around. Individuals could not survive on their own, and a breeding population would quickly spread. While scientists used to believe that dinosaurs were out competed by mammals, it was feasible to believe that an isolated population in an area with no mammals, would survive. With our current understanding of dinosaurs, a small population in Africa or South America would spread over the entire continent, handily out-competing many local mammal species.

That said, I still would find such a discovery fantastic. So: I still follow such sightings and reports with interest, even though none of them approaches proof.

As for aquatic reptiles, that possibility remains more likely. Reptile make a smaller impact than warm-blooded dinosaurs, and an aquatic nature makes discovery harder. That said, crocodile and sharks are everywhere, so we should expect to see pleciosaurs in several environments as well. This was a very successful branch, that had diverged into many different roles around the world, while competing with sharks and crocodiles. If there was a colony in a non-isolated water body, they should have spread as well.

by all means though, keep looking: there is no telling what we may find until we find it.

Except that God is supposed to be some non-material consciousness, whereas dinosaurs are as much an animal as anything else. Plus, dinosaurs are at least proven to have existed at one point. No one's done the same for God.

i believe dinos are extinct. i think the "dinos" that are seen everywhere are an example of parallel evolution. although im not really sure what use a neck that long could be .

Actually I gave my answer on page one

i for one dont believe Dinosaurs really exist?

No it's not, we have Dino Mummies and Skeletons to extrapolate reasonable images with. Not to mention other reptillian creatures.

Well, we might eventually stumble on something else, right? Maybe a new species of guinea pigs? We'll never know. But what I know for sure is, there is no dinosaurs alive today. Even if it looks like one, I bet it'll have another name!

"Could care less" is the American equivelent of "couldn't care less". Both mean that the person hardly cares.


And just to clarify- Birds are NOT dinosaurs. Relatives they may be, but the transition from dinosaur to bird happened a looooong time ago. Dinosaurs are not with us. But their descendents are.

I'll leave you with the final word of Dr Bakker's excellent "Dinosaur Heresies": When the Canada Geese honk their way northward, we can say: "The Dinosaurs are migrating, it must be Spring".

Personnaly Id be surprised if Dinos were still around...except then perhaphs I wouldnt cos history as shown that life can extremely tennacious!

I doubt theres any big ones, certainly not on land though I seem to recall isolated communities in africa, south america (and scotland) claiming that within living memory somone saw something that looks astonishingly like a pleisiosaur(SP?).

Maybe a few small groups of these critters(or small landbased ones) have survived in the right environement or adapted to a new one. They might not be around now, but maybe they survived long enough for them to spotted and a story about them passed down for several thousand years. Most big land/amphibious dinos will have gone the way of all the other large critters over the last million years.
Ever wandered why most of the land based animals are small, with only about 4 or 5 over a ton? And why we know that before humans arrived there were millions of species that were huge? Turtles the size of a car, hippos 3-6 times bigger than the ones we know now, living in Norfolk of all places! What happened to them do you think?

Homo-sapiens in the americas with a very large axe.....
A cow the size of a house is basically lunch for a very long time. Any big dinos that did survive more or less untill the rise of humanity suddenly found they made a very good slow moving target.


BUT!
Considerin the skarks and the horseshoe crabs and turtle etc were there before the dinos, and will probably outlast mankind, and given that an enourmous amount of the world is unexplored and underwater, we wont know untill we find one, will we?

The sharks that are around now for the most part relatively newly evolved species. Reqiuem sharks for example have been around for about 70000 years, this is the same for turtles. Underwater in the great depths is unexplored, but this is not a suitable environment for dinosaurs now is it. Because some species have survived for a great period of time does not mean others have. Dinosaurs would be seriously outcompeted by mammals now, if they shared a niche with one and this makes the possibility of there survival even less likely. Factor in that there is no evidence for even 1 dinosaur in the last 65 million years I think it is say to say they are alla dead.
With tregards to size differences in of animals now and animals that are extinct, the climate of the world has been extremely different to how it is currently and many temperate parts of the world where once tropical and oxygen levels and atmospheric pressure have varied in that time, Giant animals also need an extremely larger amount of space (which is why you should boycott Seaworld etc) and there in general is not that space available.

Boo to Seaworld!

Hey man theres allways time for seaworld!!!!!!!!

Dinos are still around as birds, just not in the forms they had 60 million years ago.

Birds were evolved from dinosaurs, not a true dinosaurs. Dinosaurs died out, what remains now is the result of the evolution (some are from those dinosaurs)...

Ok, I believe they may still exist.

1. We know they existed in the past.
2. We know they were very widespread.
3. We know that the average adult dinosaur was small (approximately the size of a chicken).
4. We have found many creatures whom we knew first from fossils, in existence today (Ceolecanth is a great example).
5. We are currently finding new species of animals at an extremely fast rate.

Considering the above, I would not be surprised at all to find a 'dinosaur discovered!' headline. I will not claim that the do exist, just that they may... unless you count the Tuatara as a dinosaur (since it's clearly not a close relative of any other lizards today) or the Komodo Dragon since, if you were face to face with an adult male, you would clearly be willing to refer to it as a 'terrible lizard'.

Now, if any of my assumptions above are patently false, I might be willing to come out and say that we know for a fact that there are absolutely no dinosaurs alive today, but knowing the above, one would have to be an absolute fool to be dogmatic on the point.

JS

Very good point. I think it's actually the mystery rather than the subject of the mystery that intrigues certain people.

He's another list you may want to consider.

1. Oxygen content was twice as plentiful when dinosaurs lived than it is today.
2. No dino fossils have been discovered that are less than 65 mil years old.
3. It is a misconception that the Coelacanth has remained unchanged. It has gone through evolutionary changes and is quite different from it's fossilized ancestors.
4. The new species that are being discovered are not inconsistent with modern day fauna.
5. Wishful thinking will not bring about the discovery of modern day dinosaurs.

I don't believe that is correct.

Uh, I posted the average somewhere... 400 pounds and ten-fifteen feet long I believe.

Doesn't that change significantly between the major periods the dinosaurs were around? Or is that like a *really* long term average.




They have totally found a 64.5 million year old fossil.. assuming it wasn't reworked... ;p

Dinosaurs can't be around. Atleast not multiple species. Wouldn't it take a huge eco system to support that kind of biological creature?

Not entirely sure, but I'm assuming overall; the average of the Triassic would be lower than either of the later two periods. I think it's also an average of species, not precise numbers in terms of population.



I think there have been several claims to that, but they're unconfirmed; fossils do move around, and it was the rock the fossils were found it that was dated, not the fossil itself. In any case, I wouldn't be surprised, the dinosaurs didn't all just drop dead at once and pocket populations might have survived for a few thousand years after. Sixty-five million on the dot is by no means an absolute cut-off point.

<Looks at your user icon.. imagines both of them as dinosaurs> lol..

Well dinosaurs are dead, glad thats settled whos hungry?

Only if you believe in animal cruelty.

Considering the way man has taken over the globe - what type of Dinosaurs do you think could exist where? Maybe some perspective holds the answers you seek?

the amount of sightings and some attacks of gigantic birds definatly makes it interesting.

No, it shows people will believe anything.