Are Vampires real?

Why is this topic even in this section of the forum?

But, as for vampires! I'm afraid not. Just a bunch of over embelished stories.


Regards,
Tom

no i do not believe in them it was just made by villagers to explain deaths and fears same a evry other legend. If we can't explain something we make it up

OOPS. I posted it in the wrong place.
Hold on I'll fix it.

No. They are the things of myth.

Vampires are just myths of paranoid middle agers and some people who actually did drink blood over time they combined two of their greatest fears people not really being dead when buried which did happen and people who drink the blood of their enemies.

I don't know....

I don't believe vampires are real... I'm sure someone will show up sooner or later and say they are though, just give it some time...

Wow. Such a indepth & complex question.

Heck no.

you mean like werewolves right?

Before I give my opinion on the POSSIBILITY of vampires & not necessarily the PLAUSIBILITY of them, let me state that in almost every recorded case of vampirism in antiquity THERE ISN'T any evidence of blood drinking. It is assumed because of the "victims" lack of vitality & sickly nature that blood was taken from them. This not always the case but in the vast majority it is true. From a magickal perspective, vampirism is a possibility but I do not necessarily put stock into it because I have never encountered a vampire nor do I know what lay after death if anything. Having said this I also practice ritual magick as some of you know & I have encountered many phenomena that could border on the possibility of their existence.

From a magickal perspective, vampires could be real based off of the various mystical bodies that mankind has as an example, the NEPHESH or animal soul that we purportedly have, exists for a short period of time after death, along with the other higher bodies. The theory goes that upon death, the various bodies begin to seperate so that they go back to their various sources. During the initial death process when the higher bodies are seperated from the physical, IF the individual knows what their doing, they can cause those higher bodies to stay cohesive. In the case of vampirism, the nephesh (which borders on the physical) needs etheric energy because that's what it's composed of. Normally the physical body provides this "life force" via metabolic processes of eating food. Since the etheric no longer has access to those processes, it must acquire it elsewhere. There are several places that can supply etheric energy but they all are either living, very newly dead (within minutes to hours supposedly), or are derived from fresh waste products from living beings (namely feces). Notice that in the case of feces, it again is from a metabolic process. By the way, the technical term for a creature like this is an "etheric revenant"

In any case, some sources are better than others, i.e. directly from living beings. There also seems to be a connection between intelligence & amount of etheric energy as well & perhaps there is also an issue of similitude in where the energy originates, for example it would be easier to absorb the energy from a human as opposed to say a cow. Further, family members would have an even closer likeness as far as etheric energy is concerned. So the POSSIBILITY is there from an occult/magickal perspective. Let's take a look at the legend a little closer.

SUPPOSED VAMPIRIC POWERS-

1. The ability to shapechange
2. The ability to become a mist
3. The ability to go through the smallest opening
4. The ability to cause death & disease

Whether it's by coincidence or is actually the case, the powers of the vampire fall well within the powers associated with the Nephesh & etheric energy. Since the Nephesh is essentially nothing but etheric energy that has been encoded by the higher bodies to act in a certain manner, it still maintains all the abilities associated with the ether wich basicly consits of it being a plastic, energetic, medium which can assume any shape, it very readily explains the first three powers & since the ether is also essentially the lifeforce of a living thing, it accounts for the last power as well. But what about the weaknesses?

SUPPOSED VAMPIRIC WEAKNESSES-

1. The weakness to stakes
2. The weakness to sunlight
3. The weakness to holy water
4. The weakness to fire
5. The weakness of not being able to cross the threshold of a persons house without their permission

Bothe the weakness to sunlight can be explained from the standpoint of etheric energy but stakes only in partial. Stakes were originally intended to pin the vampires body to the ground but if we are dealing with something that's not physical in nature, stakes would do nothing WITH THE EXCEPTION of either an iron stake or a silver stake. Both iron (not steel) & silver have a peculiar ability in regards to etheric energy. THEY BOTH DISCHARGE ETHERIC ENERGY. They short it out. History is full of tales of magick being dispelled by cold iron & silver. I do know that in some cases, iron stakes were used against vampires but to my knowledge silver was never used.

Sunlight on the other hand, does not discharge it but actually contains a steady stream of potent etheric energy. Infact many chinese legends dealing with a very similar concept as the etheric revenant, actually says that the "Po" (etheric revenant) thrives in sunlight! However since we're dealing with occidental vampires, there could be an unknown quality that causes sunlight to be too strong for them. causing them to short out via overload. Even if that's not the case & sunlight doesn't do a vampire any harm at all, night time is still the best time to attack as many predators instinctively know. In the case of people, it's when we let our guards down & prepare for sleep. In magick it's well known that night time is one of the best times to do general work because as people go to sleep, psychic interference becomes weaker. Someone who has gone to sleep has virtually no psychic defenses unless they're adept at magick. This would make it very easy for a vampire to get past a persons aura, their natural defense mechanism against non material things.

Both holy water & fire however need special consideration because they operate in totaly different ways to each other. Holy water is blessed water & usually contains salt. Here we are dealing with with a spiritual aspect (the blessing), & a natural magick method. The blessing (depending on who does the blessing) could be a very potent spiritual tool designed to essentially purify an object, person, etc. as well as align the the blessed object with divinity. Salt on the other hand again is a well known etheric absorber. In the case of salt & if we're talking about an etheric revenant, the salt would damage the vampire by absorbing it. The blessing aspect is a little more difficult to describe as it requires something about the higher bodies, death, & etheric revenants that I have not described yet. As I stated above, upon a person's death the bodies essentially get absorbed back into their respective sources. As an etheric revenant, it would have to stop the natural process & thus sever it from the most spiritual bodies. This would make it a doomed being from a spiritual aspect even though it could provide theoreticly unlimited life. Since the blessed water aligns the object blessed with those higher aspects, once again a connection is made between the vampire & the higher spiritual bodies. Thus causing the natural process of dissolution to take place once again. The salt & the blessed water would prove to be anethema to a vampire & would probably prove to be the most potent tool in general.

Fire though works on yet a different principle & requires a further explanation of what is actually occuring. In legend, a vampire has to maintain connection with it's grave. From an occult perspective, this makes sense as the etheric revenant must maintain a link to the material world to operate in it & to maintain the stasis to dissolution. Otherwise it becomes a sling shot effect & as soon as the material connection is severed, it goes through the dissolution, otherwise known as the second death. Since the closest connection to the material world is the vampires physical body, this would in general be the link to the material world. If the body is burned, there's no more link again causing dissolution.

Not being able to cross the threshold of a house would be a simple case of the family aura doing it's job in keeping out astral intruders. If someone in the house decided to allow someone or something to cross the threshold, they would in essence be allowing it to cross their portion of the family aura giving that something free reign to do as it pleased.

So do I believe in vampires? Maybe, but not the hollywood variety. I think it MAY BE POSSIBLE but again since I have never encountered such a being & even though I have had extensive experience with magick & I believe some of those experience involved real phenomena, I still have to have some modicum of evidence from at least a personal perspective, to make an assesment.

The ability to 'vamp' people (turn them into half
vampyres that can still think on there own, but have
vampyre weaknesses).







Roses, believe it or not are one of the older and less-known "vampyre"
weaknesses. Crosses could be included.

Hmmmm. Define 'real' if you would (Matrix fans write your hearts out). Also, what kind of vampire? If you mean the immortal blood drinking kind that has fangs and is more or less allergic to sunlight then... my answer would have to be a definite... maybe!

Out of curiosity, why ask if people bellieve in their existence or not? You'll doubtless get as many different answers as there are people posting to this forum. If you're asking who believes they exist to find out if someone has proof that they exist then I think that you're barking up the wrong tree. No one here is going to have proof that vampires exist (no offense anyone) even if they believe or say that they do.

If you're simply taking a poll to find out how many people believe then that's cool. And good luck!

Appearently you haven't been here at UM long.
Welcome, to a world of insanity

Does that mean you have proof that vampires exist? BTW, I didn't say people wouldn't claim to have proof or even claim to be real vampires. And yes, I'm a newbie. Insanity is all relative anyway. I'm sure no one here (myself included) is 100% "sane." Then again, what would this world be without diversity? Borrrring! LOL!

lol.
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"Oh yes Vampires are real". In Hollywood.
I'm a Inheriter/Sanguarian, what ever.

Right.......... now while Im at it, Sang's are not emo's.
Emo's are emo's Sang's are Sang's etc.

There are different types of Vampire's...........
Firstly their not Immortal, 2ndly they dont have powers yadda, yadda, yadda.

There are Sanguarian's
Inheriter's
Classical etc.

crimsonlives.com

Check it out and learn the difference, yeah? Tis interesting.
Cheer's Mate xcrimsonx

LOL
I must say that is the best most honest thing Ive heard in a long while. Those that are insane are the one's most in tune.


Welcome to UM!!!!!!

I think you'll be hard pressed to find anything remotely like that in ancient folklore concerning vampires.








Roses are indeed considered a vampiric weakness. This also points to an etheric connection if such creatures can exist. As I pointed out earlier, both silver & iron dissipate etheric patterns. You can't just use any old thing that silver or iron. It also has to have the concept of penetration built into it's form. For example like a sword, or a dagger or in the case of vampires, a stake. This idea of penetration continues on for ANYTHING that has a point to it, particularly if it's a naturally occuring object like a plant. Case in point is that Hawthorn is also used against vampires.

As far as crosses are concerned, you talking about a potential holy object. This would act like very similar to holy water.

Who's ever seen one?

Vampires, Bram Stoker style, with all the mythical trimmings, immortality and such like = no.
'Vampires' as an alarmist term for people experiencing a variety of physical symptoms, from experiencing poisoning which slows the heartbeat to the extent where one appears dead (similar to the whole tetradodoxin/zombies thing) and are buried alive, giving rise to the 'sleeping in coffins' myth, to illnesses which cause an aversion to sunlight and the psychological need for blood = yep, most definitely.

Most likely the vampire myth comes from a collection of symptoms of various different diseases.

No werewolves are real.

...And so it begins.

http://www.drlwilson.com/articles/vampirism.htm

of course there are vampires. Ever heard of a lawyer? If those aren't blood-sucking creeps of the night with their beady eyes and palid skin. blech.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Acropolis/3668/medical.html

there are also mdical conditions that mimic vampirism.

which is where some of the legends can from
just like werewolves, and lycanthropy.

ok...its like, almost Illegal to say "yeah vampires are fake......Now werewolves on the other hand. totally real. no questions asked"
you dont understand how dumb that sounds.

LMAO.

I don't think he gets it.

right the legends of undead vampires come from a basis in fact. therefore vampires do exist, but sorry to disappoint you they are nothing out of an Anne Rice novel.

if by a basis of fact you mean, people making up the stories, after hearing weird sounds from the graves (like zombies) of recently dead people, and then going from there, makes them exist? then ill agree. yeah.

no vampires are not real at all there are some humans that drink blood though but they cant turn into a bat

By basis of fact i mean a real illness that caused people to act or conduct themselves in ways that were seen as odd and that put them under suspicion of the very religious and very superstitious people of those days. People did not concoct these stories out of nothing, they concocted them out of fear and ignorance of something that the really did see. Put that together with the mad people that were screaming of horrific bloodsucking creatures in their nightmares, and legends of blood loving kings and conquerors, (which im sure every mean lord had his villagers talking about a meaner lord.) Put that together with pagan beliefs and slavonic superstitions and whaddya got.

A vampire is a being that feeds off of the energy of another being.

Thanks xCrimsonx!! And cheers!

"I'd like to answer that question in two ways; first in a normal voice, and then in a silly high-pitched whine." --Monty Python. I forget which skit and it's probably misquoted.

Anywho, to really answer your question I would have to say that if vampires did exist then theoretically anyone may have bumpped into one at some point or another and never even have known it, or just got a semi-creepy feeling around him or her without ever connecting it with the idea "vampire."

Vampires, if they do exist (again not saying do or don't, just maybe), probably appear to be fully human and would not reveal their natures to humans.

So, have I ever seen a vampire? My answer continues to be...maybe!

Hahahaha. I can't stop laughing. Yeah the guy you wrote that to, Keoshin, believes that werewolves are real but vampires arn't. Good one.

yeah i know.
that statement realy made no sense to me.
thats like "yeah man, fairies are real. i just saw one!!!..........what? a gnome? what the hell is that? sounds stupid"

Anything that we believe, or imagine, exists to a point.
Superstitious villagers not knowing what something was, and making stories about it...everything in those stories immediately became real.
Maybe only in our minds and our thoughts, but they are there.

I agree. Well said Kassiel!