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SunDogDayze
This is what I don't understand.


We hear about Christians being possessed by demons, and that these people have an aversion to the cross, or the demon makes them say blasphemous things, or that the only cure is a Christian exorcism.

What about people who are not Christian? Or have never even heard of Jesus Christ? How come we don't hear about somebody in China who was raised Buddhist being possessed by a Christian based demonic, and speaking blasphemously about Christ or only being cured by a Priest or other Christian leader?

You would think that if Christianity is the one true religion, that all demonic possessions would be the result of Satan's minions, and could only be cured by the Christian rituals, but where are these miraculous accounts of biblical possession of people of other religions?

norwood1026
QUOTE (SunDogDayze @ Jan 14 2008, 07:42 PM) *
This is what I don't understand.
What about people who are not Christian? Or have never even heard of Jesus Christ? How come we don't hear about somebody in China who was raised Buddhist being possessed by a Christian based demonic, and speaking blasphemously about Christ or only being cured by a Priest or other Christian leader?
You would think that if Christianity is the one true religion, that all demonic possessions would be the result of Satan's minions, and could only be cured by the Christian rituals, but where are these miraculous accounts of biblical possession of people of other religions?



Some religions do not believe in demonic possessions I do believe that there are things in the spiritual word that you should not be messing with & they can inflect pain & suffering on you & in some case posses those who are not able to resist them. I do not however believe in the biblical Satan & his demons, but every religion has their demons.
MissMelsWell
Demonic possession is also quite prevelant in some of the tribal religions which are ancestral or animistic. It's also quite common in Hinduism, Vodoo, and others... it's not just Christian.

I don't believe in Demonic possession at all and I'm a Christian.. but it's not only Christians that believe in it.
SunDogDayze
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ Jan 14 2008, 02:51 PM) *
Some religions do not believe in demonic possessions I do believe that there are things in the spiritual word that you should not be messing with & they can inflect pain & suffering on you & in some case posses those who are not able to resist them. I do not however believe in the biblical Satan & his demons, but every religion has their demons.


Right, and I have seen Islamic possessions and exorcisms, but of course, during those, the possessed was speaking blasphemously about Allah, and only an Islamic exorcism got rid of the demon.

If the Biblical demonic possession were correct, wouldn't even the Islamic possessions follow the Christian's rules?

Have there been any documented cases of someone who has had no knowledge of Christianity being possessed by a Christian demon?
norwood1026
QUOTE (MissMelsWell @ Jan 14 2008, 07:58 PM) *
Demonic possession is also quite prevelant in some of the tribal religions which are ancestral or animistic. It's also quite common in Hinduism, Vodoo, and others... it's not just Christian.
I don't believe in Demonic possession at all and I'm a Christian.. but it's not only Christians that believe in it.



How can you believe in God & Satan & not believe in Possession? Sorry a bit off topic!
MissMelsWell
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ Jan 14 2008, 12:02 PM) *
How can you believe in God & Satan & not believe in Possession? Sorry a bit off topic!


Probably because I don't believe in Satan either. At least not a deity called Satan.
norwood1026
QUOTE (MissMelsWell @ Jan 14 2008, 08:25 PM) *
Probably because I don't believe in Satan either. At least not a deity called Satan.


If you dont mind me asking are you catholic? The only reason I'm asking is because the catholics that I know believe in God but not Satan even though they used to be big on the idea of possession.
norwood1026
People have believed in demons just as long as they have believed in God/s. Satan seems to be
The most popular of all of them because Christianity is so wide spread. But in some religions God/s have used demons themselves to do their will.

MissMelsWell
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ Jan 14 2008, 12:32 PM) *
If you dont mind me asking are you catholic? The only reason I'm asking is because the catholics that I know believe in God but not Satan even though they used to be big on the idea of possession.



LOL, no I'm about the opposite of Catholic (although two of my favorite people in the whole world are)... I'm a Quaker.
SunDogDayze
I don't think I am explaining my question right.

I don't believe in possessions at all.

Now, that being said, for people who do, how do you explain the possessions only being relevant to the belief system of the one being possessed?

Why isn't it a Christian demon possessing someone who is Buddhist, or why doesn't an aboriginal demon possess a catholic person?

MissMelsWell
QUOTE (SunDogDayze @ Jan 14 2008, 12:42 PM) *
I don't think I am explaining my question right.

I don't believe in possessions at all.

Now, that being said, for people who do, how do you explain the possessions only being relevant to the belief system of the one being possessed?

Why isn't it a Christian demon possessing someone who is Buddhist, or why doesn't an aboriginal demon possess a catholic person?


Is there a definition of what a "buddhist" demon is and how to differs from a Christian or Islamic demon? I have no idea really... since I don't believe any of them.
SunDogDayze
QUOTE (MissMelsWell @ Jan 14 2008, 03:44 PM) *
Is there a definition of what a "buddhist" demon is and how to differs from a Christian or Islamic demon? I have no idea really... since I don't believe any of them.


I don't know, and I will look for something on that. But, what I would think is that a Christian person possessed would be burned by holy water, or be cursing the Christians god's name, or call himself by a name of a demon from the bible.

I doubt that would happen to a Buddhist. If there are Buddhist possessions, wouldn't they be cursing Buddhas name? Holy water probably wouldn't have any effect on them, and would probably refer to himself as a demon's name found only in Buddhism.

Or I would assume that an Aboriginal possession would consist of one referring to himself as whatever the Aborigine religion calls evil spirits, or would react to whatever their religion says is holy.

If possessions were real, wouldn't we see a crossover, instead of possessions only being relevant to the possessed personal beliefs?
MissMelsWell
If I'm not mistaken, there aren't any personal spiritual demons in Buddhism... Buddah himself was not a deity, he was just an enlightened guy... a teacher if you will, although a highly revered one.

There are possessing spiritual demons in Hinduism though, and Vodoo too (although Vodoo has Christian connotations).

The movie the "exorcist" was based on a true story of sorts... the kid that was supposedly possessed back then wasn't even catholic. I believe he was Lutheran or something.

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QUOTE (SunDogDayze @ Jan 14 2008, 03:42 PM) *
I don't think I am explaining my question right.

I don't believe in possessions at all.

Now, that being said, for people who do, how do you explain the possessions only being relevant to the belief system of the one being possessed?

Why isn't it a Christian demon possessing someone who is Buddhist, or why doesn't an aboriginal demon possess a catholic person?


A demon is just that, a demon. It doesn't have a religion or human belief system. THe kind that possess Christians, are the same kind that possess muslims, buddhists, and atheists. However, demons do have intelligence, so what they reflect is an exorcism might very well be what they want you to see.

Why would a demon blaspheme the name of Christ if it's in a muslim? What purpose would that serve for the demon?
~HaParash~
QUOTE (SunDogDayze @ Jan 14 2008, 11:42 AM) *
This is what I don't understand.


We hear about Christians being possessed by demons, and that these people have an aversion to the cross, or the demon makes them say blasphemous things, or that the only cure is a Christian exorcism.

What about people who are not Christian? Or have never even heard of Jesus Christ? How come we don't hear about somebody in China who was raised Buddhist being possessed by a Christian based demonic, and speaking blasphemously about Christ or only being cured by a Priest or other Christian leader?

You would think that if Christianity is the one true religion, that all demonic possessions would be the result of Satan's minions, and could only be cured by the Christian rituals, but where are these miraculous accounts of biblical possession of people of other religions?

I don't believe in "demons" but do believe in spirits which can possess people. I'm certain that not all of these spirits are harmful, some are helpful.
fullywired
Demons never bother Atheists, that should tell us something



fullywired
The Skeptic Eric Raven
QUOTE (fullywired @ Jan 14 2008, 05:13 PM) *
Demons never bother Atheists, that should tell us something



fullywired

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In atheists, we call it mental illness.
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QUOTE (fullywired @ Jan 14 2008, 06:13 PM) *
Demons never bother Atheists, that should tell us something



fullywired


Sure they do. Atheists just don't have the same awareness.
Omnaka
QUOTE (SunDogDayze @ Jan 14 2008, 07:42 PM) *
This is what I don't understand.


We hear about Christians being possessed by demons, and that these people have an aversion to the cross, or the demon makes them say blasphemous things, or that the only cure is a Christian exorcism.

What about people who are not Christian? Or have never even heard of Jesus Christ? How come we don't hear about somebody in China who was raised Buddhist being possessed by a Christian based demonic, and speaking blasphemously about Christ or only being cured by a Priest or other Christian leader?

You would think that if Christianity is the one true religion, that all demonic possessions would be the result of Satan's minions, and could only be cured by the Christian rituals, but where are these miraculous accounts of biblical possession of people of other religions?

Its called Teretts syndrome when they aren't Christian rofl.gif
LoveOmnaka
Belle.
QUOTE (WalkingWithFire @ Jan 15 2008, 12:05 AM) *
Sure they do. Atheists just don't have the same awareness.


But how would it manifest itself in an atheist? General malaise or anger?

To me it seems like an attempt to anthropomorphise natural phenomena around us and parts of our psyche we don't like.
SunDogDayze
QUOTE (fullywired @ Jan 14 2008, 06:13 PM) *
Demons never bother Atheists, that should tell us something



fullywired


That is kind of what I was getting at.

I understand when you say that demons attack people of all faiths, but what I don't get is when an Islamic person is 'possessed' they can use the Islamic rituals to exorcise it, and it works. Does that mean that there is more than one way to get rid of a demon instead of the Christian way?
Inner Space
QUOTE (Belqis @ Jan 14 2008, 08:57 PM) *
But how would it manifest itself in an atheist? General malaise or anger?

To me it seems like an attempt to anthropomorphise natural phenomena around us and parts of our psyche we don't like.


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