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I posted something about Jesus being gone for all those years in the bible for those of you who are Christians & believe in God how do you deal with the fact that he just disappears? Wouldn’t you like to know what happened to him? Where did he go & what did he do? Personally I’d want to know what happened to him all that time. I assume that most of you take it on faith that he did not sin during those years he went missing, maybe he did sin & that why they were left out?
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ Jan 15 2008, 03:49 AM) 
I posted something about Jesus being gone for all those years in the bible for those of you who are Christians & believe in God how do you deal with the fact that he just disappears? Wouldn’t you like to know what happened to him? Where did he go & what did he do? Personally I’d want to know what happened to him all that time. I assume that most of you take it on faith that he did not sin during those years he went missing, maybe he did sin & that why they were left out?
Probably someplace Being taught by Father.
Love Omnaka
those were his experimental years 
In the mystical lands of Asia learning his tricks of illusion 
QUOTE (Belqis @ Jan 15 2008, 06:56 AM)
In the mystical lands of Asia learning his tricks of illusion
i don't think this is very christian
QUOTE (Omnaka @ Jan 15 2008, 06:21 AM)
Probably someplace Being taught by Father.
Love Omnaka
Love Omnaka
This is beautiful
QUOTE (Belqis @ Jan 14 2008, 10:56 PM)
In the mystical lands of Asia learning his tricks of illusion
Likely that he was in another cult at the time learning the tricks and how to fool people out of their money and belongings. Jesus was hardly the only person at the time claiming miracles, healing the sick, turning liquids into others and the rest of his show. Just another common criminal.
We all know he wasn't staked either... He had a family and lived for some time after he was supposely 'crucified'. I bet that 30 silver robbed from the Romans made a few nice cups of wine come to his table.
QUOTE (Sama @ Jan 15 2008, 02:28 AM)
i don't think this is very christian
I am not sure it was meant to be.
On topic, though, aren't there other scriptures or books that were written about Jesus during this time in his life, that were omitted from the Bible?
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ Jan 14 2008, 09:49 PM)
I posted something about Jesus being gone for all those years in the bible for those of you who are Christians & believe in God how do you deal with the fact that he just disappears? Wouldn’t you like to know what happened to him? Where did he go & what did he do? Personally I’d want to know what happened to him all that time. I assume that most of you take it on faith that he did not sin during those years he went missing, maybe he did sin & that why they were left out?
My own take, backed by nothing more than speculation, is that the Jesus story is a myth/legend, that the biblical version of Jesus never existed. As such, there is nothing to explain: the folks who produced the story simply omitted part of it (Note that there are some non-biblical sources that tell of Jesus' childhood.).
I suspect that the Jesus story originated with a man named Jesus who was a high priest of the Essenes about 150 BC. He had a long list of sayings, many of which are recounted in the four traditional gospels and the gospel of Thomas. He was feared by the Romans as a threat to their power. They had him murdered and his body hung on a tree.
There were perhaps a half-dozen other people named Jesus who lived between Jesus of the Essenes and the end of the Jewish Revolt. Their stories became conflated and confused with the original story, gradually producing various versions of the gospels, all but four of which were eventually suppressed or forgotten.
Doug
The Coptic Christians and the authors of almost innumerable "apocrophyl" texts were part of the raison d'etre for the Council of Nice in Constantinople in which a progrom was initiated to erase a vast literature hinted at by the last verse of the book of John: "And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen." (John 21:25).
These books talk about the childhood of Jesus in which he was naughty, chastised by neighbors, exorting his father Joseph to keep him from "cursing" and sometimes killing other kids with a glance or word, whatever; to long talks from his tomb to John or now, the book of Judas. There is no question that there is some truth to the four different gospels and maybe to some apocrypha, but equally, much mis-information in the four gospels, and most definitely to the abundance of books about his childhood, etc. As to the "missing" years, I once read a series of books by Baird Spalding, who has been subject to much criticism for making things up, but found some odd claims about Jesus' missing years in the second volume of the Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East, that suggested Jesus underwent some years of doubt about religion, studied Thoth's teaching of the teaching of Osiris through a priest there, whereby he evidently learned of deeper teachings in India, traveled there along the Silk Road, contacting remnants of the libraries of Alexandria and Iraq and Iran, and finally of Calcutta and the Siddha teachings of Southern and Northern India. There is almost no question that Spalding had a source of some repute because he revealed definite facts about the Siddha that only recently became known through translations of obscure texts, but the history of his "resume" of experiences seems unlikely or at least, unprovable. One source seems to substantiate the Spalding family were involved in building English railroads in both India and Japan and his claim of having a half-brother who was involved in building highways in the Southern US also stand up, but his claims this brother was called to Paris to aid in draining the "swamps behind Paris", thus requiring moving a cemetary there that contained the tomb of Compte Ste. Germaine, has yet to be substantiated. One source of information about Spalding says some of his data and equipment is archived in a well known university in Germany. A German writer once wrote a book, saying Jesus lived in Kashmir/India, and only went to Jerusalem at certain holiday times, and some modern Jews also insist that there are evidences of habitations or origins of the Hebrews from India/Kashmir (http://www.viewzone.com/matlock.html), (http://www5.ocn.ne.jp/~magi9/isracame.htm) and (http://www.moshiach.com/features/tribes/kashmir.php) to quote just a few of a search on google (terms jews in ancient India or Jews in ancient Kashmir).
I have problems with "Aryanism" histories and origins of civilization placing with a view of finding some proof of "Eden" and the standard creationist slant on things. I don't have a stake in that argument, and don't have some interest in saving religion or trying to prove that aliens were behind Jesus and all that. I am only giving some facets of a general reader's reading experience that has crossed these "datums". Make of them what you will. I could also have included some that suggest that Jesus was a fabrication or amalgamation of different individuals and stories, but don't include them because I personally find the thesis behind them, and the evidence I have uncovered thus far, far from convincing and unenticing due to the obvious motives of their sources. My filter is obviously subjective, being no scholar in this field, but I know what I like, and I like the idea that Jesus researched his subject, and rejected the thesis of the priests of his day, and taught a form of personal liberation by seeing oneself as the container of the Almighty, which he deemed consciousness itself. I see Jesus as a genius, of extra-ordinary independance of thought and perception, incorporating the practical experience of he learned from his teachers without incorporating at the same time their personal belief structures, such as that life was in the Sun (Osiris/Thoth/Aton) or that Shiva/Vishnu/Brahma were literal beings or personalities. The Chandogya Upandishad, attached to the Sama Veda, talks of a "Man in the Sun" or something seen in the "third eye" as delineated in Siddha and Kriya yoga, and taught by Patanjali's resume of Kriya or the different branches of Raja yoga, etc. An internal experience, and the fact that the transmission was from mouth to ear, or "disciplic succession" evidently displeased Jesus. We are told he said: You have no need that any man should teach you, for you have one teacher, even I AM (Christ). In the Indian tradition, what is said in secret was to be transmitted in secret, and from mouth to ear, no exceptions permitted. Jesus said the exact opposite, if we believe the extant gospels: What you hear in secret, declare from the rooftops. Jesus was a rebel, and wanted no part of the "secreting" of the promises of realization of the great secret. My opinion only, of course. Accept or reject as you deem fit. I just don't buy the miracle stories of Jesus' missing years. I don't buy the idea he was born "all knowing". If so, why is there a record of his regretting his decision to put himself into jeopardy? My reading: he experienced an insight: life was permanent, indestructible from experiencing out-of-body perception. Ability to enliven the dead (both well described in yoga/Siddha literature prior to Jesus' time), but the aim of laying his body down and hoping he could revive that body in the same way he revived others was something yet to be experienced. So he had to actually undergo that experience to find out for sure. At least in part of his mind. Another part of his mind said: that can be done. So, he told people: no takes my life, I lay it down of my own accord. And I have power to take it up again. That part of his mind said that, but another part wasn't so sure. That is why Gesthemane represents such a powerful determination and bravery for which he had the foresight to want witnesses, unless anyone should ever say: he knew what he was doing from start to finish. Obviously not, and obviously, he was a true scientist in wanting a record of this crisis of faith and doubt and determination. I see this as a great vision being put into practical expression with, evidently, successful results if the record is to be believed. And Jesus said, believing has benefits. But only if it is true! In this case, believing does have certain required immediate results, which, if they are not forthcoming, we don't need to believe in any of it. We can go back to being mortalists, knowing only two certainties beyond our own birth and consciousness: taxes and death. Subjection to outer control and dependance on "doctors" or "authority". If we learn nothing from Jesus' immediate disciples, we learn this from Paul: Christ consciousness, having the same mind in us as was in Jesus, delivers us from all outer authority and limitation. None are above us, and as true followers, we must see none beneath us. Jesus had to learn, but was guided by something within him that had precedents in human history far and wide. He followed his interests, his insights, probably moved in some way by probably the death of his dad, Joseph, hating death, but evidently forseen by the prophets, his brothers in spirit the seers. So I see a theme, so I follow and delineate an idea, so possibly it was, and so some other researcher or researchers can in like manner find clues and evidence of its truth....or not. Seeing this possibility, Jesus said, possibly after the resurrection, but claimed to be a pre-crucifixion statement...Seek and you will find, knock and it will be opened, ask and it will be given. What is this than both a vision and scientific method combined. Science with life inside, as opposed to the "science" we have today: same old same old, death and taxes. Can you think of anything more opposed to these ugly thoughts than the life of Jesus? Abundance is the signature of the life of Jesus, if you believe he lived, died and lived yet on. Otherwise: mere myth, mere dogma of a taxing body in form of nation-state or church-state. Burdens.
These books talk about the childhood of Jesus in which he was naughty, chastised by neighbors, exorting his father Joseph to keep him from "cursing" and sometimes killing other kids with a glance or word, whatever; to long talks from his tomb to John or now, the book of Judas. There is no question that there is some truth to the four different gospels and maybe to some apocrypha, but equally, much mis-information in the four gospels, and most definitely to the abundance of books about his childhood, etc. As to the "missing" years, I once read a series of books by Baird Spalding, who has been subject to much criticism for making things up, but found some odd claims about Jesus' missing years in the second volume of the Life and Teaching of the Masters of the Far East, that suggested Jesus underwent some years of doubt about religion, studied Thoth's teaching of the teaching of Osiris through a priest there, whereby he evidently learned of deeper teachings in India, traveled there along the Silk Road, contacting remnants of the libraries of Alexandria and Iraq and Iran, and finally of Calcutta and the Siddha teachings of Southern and Northern India. There is almost no question that Spalding had a source of some repute because he revealed definite facts about the Siddha that only recently became known through translations of obscure texts, but the history of his "resume" of experiences seems unlikely or at least, unprovable. One source seems to substantiate the Spalding family were involved in building English railroads in both India and Japan and his claim of having a half-brother who was involved in building highways in the Southern US also stand up, but his claims this brother was called to Paris to aid in draining the "swamps behind Paris", thus requiring moving a cemetary there that contained the tomb of Compte Ste. Germaine, has yet to be substantiated. One source of information about Spalding says some of his data and equipment is archived in a well known university in Germany. A German writer once wrote a book, saying Jesus lived in Kashmir/India, and only went to Jerusalem at certain holiday times, and some modern Jews also insist that there are evidences of habitations or origins of the Hebrews from India/Kashmir (http://www.viewzone.com/matlock.html), (http://www5.ocn.ne.jp/~magi9/isracame.htm) and (http://www.moshiach.com/features/tribes/kashmir.php) to quote just a few of a search on google (terms jews in ancient India or Jews in ancient Kashmir).
I have problems with "Aryanism" histories and origins of civilization placing with a view of finding some proof of "Eden" and the standard creationist slant on things. I don't have a stake in that argument, and don't have some interest in saving religion or trying to prove that aliens were behind Jesus and all that. I am only giving some facets of a general reader's reading experience that has crossed these "datums". Make of them what you will. I could also have included some that suggest that Jesus was a fabrication or amalgamation of different individuals and stories, but don't include them because I personally find the thesis behind them, and the evidence I have uncovered thus far, far from convincing and unenticing due to the obvious motives of their sources. My filter is obviously subjective, being no scholar in this field, but I know what I like, and I like the idea that Jesus researched his subject, and rejected the thesis of the priests of his day, and taught a form of personal liberation by seeing oneself as the container of the Almighty, which he deemed consciousness itself. I see Jesus as a genius, of extra-ordinary independance of thought and perception, incorporating the practical experience of he learned from his teachers without incorporating at the same time their personal belief structures, such as that life was in the Sun (Osiris/Thoth/Aton) or that Shiva/Vishnu/Brahma were literal beings or personalities. The Chandogya Upandishad, attached to the Sama Veda, talks of a "Man in the Sun" or something seen in the "third eye" as delineated in Siddha and Kriya yoga, and taught by Patanjali's resume of Kriya or the different branches of Raja yoga, etc. An internal experience, and the fact that the transmission was from mouth to ear, or "disciplic succession" evidently displeased Jesus. We are told he said: You have no need that any man should teach you, for you have one teacher, even I AM (Christ). In the Indian tradition, what is said in secret was to be transmitted in secret, and from mouth to ear, no exceptions permitted. Jesus said the exact opposite, if we believe the extant gospels: What you hear in secret, declare from the rooftops. Jesus was a rebel, and wanted no part of the "secreting" of the promises of realization of the great secret. My opinion only, of course. Accept or reject as you deem fit. I just don't buy the miracle stories of Jesus' missing years. I don't buy the idea he was born "all knowing". If so, why is there a record of his regretting his decision to put himself into jeopardy? My reading: he experienced an insight: life was permanent, indestructible from experiencing out-of-body perception. Ability to enliven the dead (both well described in yoga/Siddha literature prior to Jesus' time), but the aim of laying his body down and hoping he could revive that body in the same way he revived others was something yet to be experienced. So he had to actually undergo that experience to find out for sure. At least in part of his mind. Another part of his mind said: that can be done. So, he told people: no takes my life, I lay it down of my own accord. And I have power to take it up again. That part of his mind said that, but another part wasn't so sure. That is why Gesthemane represents such a powerful determination and bravery for which he had the foresight to want witnesses, unless anyone should ever say: he knew what he was doing from start to finish. Obviously not, and obviously, he was a true scientist in wanting a record of this crisis of faith and doubt and determination. I see this as a great vision being put into practical expression with, evidently, successful results if the record is to be believed. And Jesus said, believing has benefits. But only if it is true! In this case, believing does have certain required immediate results, which, if they are not forthcoming, we don't need to believe in any of it. We can go back to being mortalists, knowing only two certainties beyond our own birth and consciousness: taxes and death. Subjection to outer control and dependance on "doctors" or "authority". If we learn nothing from Jesus' immediate disciples, we learn this from Paul: Christ consciousness, having the same mind in us as was in Jesus, delivers us from all outer authority and limitation. None are above us, and as true followers, we must see none beneath us. Jesus had to learn, but was guided by something within him that had precedents in human history far and wide. He followed his interests, his insights, probably moved in some way by probably the death of his dad, Joseph, hating death, but evidently forseen by the prophets, his brothers in spirit the seers. So I see a theme, so I follow and delineate an idea, so possibly it was, and so some other researcher or researchers can in like manner find clues and evidence of its truth....or not. Seeing this possibility, Jesus said, possibly after the resurrection, but claimed to be a pre-crucifixion statement...Seek and you will find, knock and it will be opened, ask and it will be given. What is this than both a vision and scientific method combined. Science with life inside, as opposed to the "science" we have today: same old same old, death and taxes. Can you think of anything more opposed to these ugly thoughts than the life of Jesus? Abundance is the signature of the life of Jesus, if you believe he lived, died and lived yet on. Otherwise: mere myth, mere dogma of a taxing body in form of nation-state or church-state. Burdens.
QUOTE (norwood1026 @ Jan 15 2008, 03:49 AM)
I posted something about Jesus being gone for all those years in the bible for those of you who are Christians & believe in God how do you deal with the fact that he just disappears? Wouldn’t you like to know what happened to him? Where did he go & what did he do? Personally I’d want to know what happened to him all that time. I assume that most of you take it on faith that he did not sin during those years he went missing, maybe he did sin & that why they were left out?
its funny man wrote about this God for a few years then all of a sudden man stops this bible and it all ends..othing more written..it is as if God went away and no more stories to be told...
thats why i dont believe in the bible God.
The God I believe in in heaveen never needed man to write stories and law down laws telling people how to live and what will happen if they disobey what is o his top ten what to follow list ..NO
QUOTE (Doug1o29 @ Jan 15 2008, 03:38 PM)
My own take, backed by nothing more than speculation, is that the Jesus story is a myth/legend, that the biblical version of Jesus never existed. As such, there is nothing to explain: the folks who produced the story simply omitted part of it (Note that there are some non-biblical sources that tell of Jesus' childhood.).
I suspect that the Jesus story originated with a man named Jesus who was a high priest of the Essenes about 150 BC. He had a long list of sayings, many of which are recounted in the four traditional gospels and the gospel of Thomas. He was feared by the Romans as a threat to their power. They had him murdered and his body hung on a tree.
There were perhaps a half-dozen other people named Jesus who lived between Jesus of the Essenes and the end of the Jewish Revolt. Their stories became conflated and confused with the original story, gradually producing various versions of the gospels, all but four of which were eventually suppressed or forgotten.
Doug
I suspect that the Jesus story originated with a man named Jesus who was a high priest of the Essenes about 150 BC. He had a long list of sayings, many of which are recounted in the four traditional gospels and the gospel of Thomas. He was feared by the Romans as a threat to their power. They had him murdered and his body hung on a tree.
There were perhaps a half-dozen other people named Jesus who lived between Jesus of the Essenes and the end of the Jewish Revolt. Their stories became conflated and confused with the original story, gradually producing various versions of the gospels, all but four of which were eventually suppressed or forgotten.
Doug
That is interesting Doug, do you have a link to the story of Jesus of Essenes. I would truly like to see where you got your info.
QUOTE (Darkwind @ Jan 15 2008, 09:45 AM)
That is interesting Doug, do you have a link to the story of Jesus of Essenes. I would truly like to see where you got your info.
Here's a good site: http://www.thenazareneway.com/index.htm It's actually very interesting.
I know I've seen one other site as well, but I can't find it now.
What state of affairs would the world be in today and throughout history if the Bible had not been written?
I believe that it was God who wrote the Bible through people, but "they" the Gods, are looking upon it far more differently then we can suppose because we don't yet know what humans and their societies are being formed into. The ultimate purpose. It's like trying to guess at a clay sculpture a little ways into it being formed and making rash judgments.
When people make comments like what Kratos said above they are glimmering the truth. Just as much as the most ardent Bible thumper see's the truth. Some people look into the Bible while others are just looking at it and i think this book was writen for just that purpose. Something out there that made us is keeping the secrets hidden and little by little we are being revealed to them in code and mystery.
I believe that Jesus, during his mysterious absence, was living a normal life with all the stuff he spoke for and against, but when things worked out the stories written about him excluded this so as to keep his messiah like stature in place.
I believe that it was God who wrote the Bible through people, but "they" the Gods, are looking upon it far more differently then we can suppose because we don't yet know what humans and their societies are being formed into. The ultimate purpose. It's like trying to guess at a clay sculpture a little ways into it being formed and making rash judgments.
When people make comments like what Kratos said above they are glimmering the truth. Just as much as the most ardent Bible thumper see's the truth. Some people look into the Bible while others are just looking at it and i think this book was writen for just that purpose. Something out there that made us is keeping the secrets hidden and little by little we are being revealed to them in code and mystery.
I believe that Jesus, during his mysterious absence, was living a normal life with all the stuff he spoke for and against, but when things worked out the stories written about him excluded this so as to keep his messiah like stature in place.
QUOTE (Doug1o29 @ Jan 15 2008, 07:38 AM)
My own take, backed by nothing more than speculation, is that the Jesus story is a myth/legend, that the biblical version of Jesus never existed. As such, there is nothing to explain: the folks who produced the story simply omitted part of it (Note that there are some non-biblical sources that tell of Jesus' childhood.).
I suspect that the Jesus story originated with a man named Jesus who was a high priest of the Essenes about 150 BC. He had a long list of sayings, many of which are recounted in the four traditional gospels and the gospel of Thomas. He was feared by the Romans as a threat to their power. They had him murdered and his body hung on a tree.
There were perhaps a half-dozen other people named Jesus who lived between Jesus of the Essenes and the end of the Jewish Revolt. Their stories became conflated and confused with the original story, gradually producing various versions of the gospels, all but four of which were eventually suppressed or forgotten.
Doug
I suspect that the Jesus story originated with a man named Jesus who was a high priest of the Essenes about 150 BC. He had a long list of sayings, many of which are recounted in the four traditional gospels and the gospel of Thomas. He was feared by the Romans as a threat to their power. They had him murdered and his body hung on a tree.
There were perhaps a half-dozen other people named Jesus who lived between Jesus of the Essenes and the end of the Jewish Revolt. Their stories became conflated and confused with the original story, gradually producing various versions of the gospels, all but four of which were eventually suppressed or forgotten.
Doug
i have to agree, , its just not credible to me..
some thigns jsut seem obvious...IMO...
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