Edit: Ok, way to many people showing negativity towards this, and i havn't even started yet. Just let this thread die now. Its gone to hell already as it is, I hope that in the future i can express an opinion without getting bashed.
Sincerely,
Joshb
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QUOTE (JoshB @ Jan 18 2008, 03:37 AM) 
Im writing a fairly big article on why time cant possibly exist. I'll have it up in a bit. Stay tuned 
no comment, no, no comment at all, nadda, nothing...
QUOTE (jaks.ko.ex @ Jan 17 2008, 10:41 PM)
no comment, no, no comment at all, nadda, nothing...haha, not sure if itle convince everyone that time dosn't exist but it'le make yer brain hurt.
What? Why do you want to hurt our brains JoshB?
Time meaning what? Like the extremely linear time we experience today? Or its true essence, because the true essence of linear time is really like time not existing at all(atleast for me).
So, i think we all need to reevaluate this thing we call time, because really its not the ticking of a clock's measurement over seconds and hours and days and weeks and years that is very interesting. Time is more interesting by the way it was calculated thousands of years ago by the Egyptians.
The giza pyramid alone is encoded to be a highly sophisticated mathematical clock/calendar by its alignment to heavenly bodies. It tracks the earth, moon, the sun, venus, and in its vast elegance still, points to its exact position on the earth.
Time meaning what? Like the extremely linear time we experience today? Or its true essence, because the true essence of linear time is really like time not existing at all(atleast for me).
So, i think we all need to reevaluate this thing we call time, because really its not the ticking of a clock's measurement over seconds and hours and days and weeks and years that is very interesting. Time is more interesting by the way it was calculated thousands of years ago by the Egyptians.
The giza pyramid alone is encoded to be a highly sophisticated mathematical clock/calendar by its alignment to heavenly bodies. It tracks the earth, moon, the sun, venus, and in its vast elegance still, points to its exact position on the earth.
Saying time doesn't exist is IMO just plain stupid, there is definitely proof time exists, now our perception of time, that is another story, I firmly believe that how we perceive time is definitely not how time truly is, but to say time itself doesn't exist...
I hate when people see a concept too paradoxical and aloof they just say it doesn't exist.
like wireless energy transmission over long distance in 1897.
like wireless energy transmission over long distance in 1897.
QUOTE (Zaus @ Jan 18 2008, 04:11 AM)
What? Why do you want to hurt our brains JoshB?
Time meaning what? Like the extremely linear time we experience today? Or its true essence, because the true essence of linear time is really like time not existing at all(atleast for me).
So, i think we all need to reevaluate this thing we call time, because really its not the ticking of a clock's measurement over seconds and hours and days and weeks and years that is very interesting. Time is more interesting by the way it was calculated thousands of years ago by the Egyptians.
The giza pyramid alone is encoded to be a highly sophisticated mathematical clock/calendar by its alignment to heavenly bodies. It tracks the earth, moon, the sun, venus, and in its vast elegance still, points to its exact position on the earth.
Time meaning what? Like the extremely linear time we experience today? Or its true essence, because the true essence of linear time is really like time not existing at all(atleast for me).
So, i think we all need to reevaluate this thing we call time, because really its not the ticking of a clock's measurement over seconds and hours and days and weeks and years that is very interesting. Time is more interesting by the way it was calculated thousands of years ago by the Egyptians.
The giza pyramid alone is encoded to be a highly sophisticated mathematical clock/calendar by its alignment to heavenly bodies. It tracks the earth, moon, the sun, venus, and in its vast elegance still, points to its exact position on the earth.
*sighs*
QUOTE (JoshB @ Jan 17 2008, 09:37 PM)
Im writing a fairly big article on why time cant possibly exist. I'll have it up in a bit. Stay tuned
For future reference, don't create the thread until you have the article. Not tryin to sound like a jerk, but yeah..
And so we can all assume time does exist, just in a much broader spectrum that we may never understand
Well as long as the next time i,m late for an appointment etc.... And they appologise to me after i explain that to them, i,ts ok by me! Also does this mean i havn,t aged a nano second since my conception? 
OH I GET IT!
Hehe, now you guys are going to WASTE non-existant time as you wait (?) for him to get the article.
But seriously, if this is true, then I can never get sh** for being late to class ever again.
Ever.
Hehe, now you guys are going to WASTE non-existant time as you wait (?) for him to get the article.
But seriously, if this is true, then I can never get sh** for being late to class ever again.
Ever.
Time was created by god for man so that everything wouldn't happen all at once.
No time? Bleh, that means there is no structured order of events which took place beforehand on a time line. And we have evidence of situations which occurred before our society. If that is not time, than what is? So you are contradicting yourself? Time is a term for the length of years in existence. And we do exist.
I doubt the "god" wouldn't have made anything JUST for man. We're putting ourselves on a pretty high pedestal, aren't we boys?
QUOTE (PryOpenUr3rdEye @ Jan 18 2008, 02:13 AM)
I doubt the "god" wouldn't have made anything JUST for man. We're putting ourselves on a pretty high pedestal, aren't we boys?
It would be arrogant to assume that. You prove a strong point. But you also prove that by him stating this, he is arrogant.
All time occurs at once, its like viewing a movie through a film reel. The entire movie is there, frozen, in its entirety on the film. But we are experiencing that movie one frame at a time, and in a linear fashion. So there is an "illusion" of time, time has already happened, but we are all witnessing it one bit at a time.
Each individual perceives time differently. Another thing that effects our sense of time is the activity which we are doing at that second on the time line.
I actually don't think time exists either
You write your article, and I'll raise you a theory of relativity.
Get two synchronized clocks, put one on your desk and send the other in to space for a year travelling thousands of miles an hour. Bring them back together and they will display different times.
Get another pair of synchronized clocks, leave on one your desk and put the other in a region of space with a huge gravitational potential for a year. Bring them back together and, again, they will display different times.
The rate at which time flows does vary, therefore time exists.
Now putting that aside for a moment, motion does occur, we can all agree on that for certain. Time is just the medium through which motion occurs. There's no doubt that it exists.
Get two synchronized clocks, put one on your desk and send the other in to space for a year travelling thousands of miles an hour. Bring them back together and they will display different times.
Get another pair of synchronized clocks, leave on one your desk and put the other in a region of space with a huge gravitational potential for a year. Bring them back together and, again, they will display different times.
The rate at which time flows does vary, therefore time exists.
Now putting that aside for a moment, motion does occur, we can all agree on that for certain. Time is just the medium through which motion occurs. There's no doubt that it exists.
we chose to be confined by time to capture the beauty of gods creation. we will realise time doesnt exist. we are all part of one constant instant that didnt start and will never end
QUOTE (Shadow09 @ Jan 17 2008, 09:42 PM)
For future reference, don't create the thread until you have the article. Not tryin to sound like a jerk, but yeah..
I agree. It is pretty poor form to do so. It is right up there with the folks that claim to have the ultimate ghost photo showing Henry VIII playing shuffleboard while drinking a pina colada but they just have to get the photo scanned...but according to them it is the best ghost photo ever that will set the paranormal world on its ear...
...those photos (like Henry) never seem to materialize.
There seems to be a discussion despite the lack of original post so I am going to leave this open for a bit, but in the future please do not advertise for a thread you are going to create in the future, thanks.
QUOTE (JoshB @ Jan 18 2008, 03:37 AM)
Im writing a fairly big article on why time cant possibly exist. I'll have it up in a bit. Stay tuned
You are correct 'Time in and of itself doesn't exist'. Time is not linear and can be manipulated and warped. I was watching the film 'Fantastic Voyage' where the crew were shrunk down to microscopic size. I told my husband that whatever time they knew outside no longer existed for them giving that they occupied a different space. I told my husband that theoretically, an hour of standard time to them could in fact be much longer, or faster given the dimensions of the miniaturized people in the Proteus. I told my husband that you could say, 'How long is a piece of string?'
Those of you who may have heard me speak about going 26 years into the future to the events of 9/11 and for it to be documented on video in '93/94. Either my husband has moved it, or it has been taken. I will find it and get it converted onto DVD, so you can see and hear for yourself. I was 12 when I saw the events of 9/11. It is a long and complicated story, but basically I was taken 26 years into the future, brought back about 3-4 hours later. (it was 6:30 pm and the clock had gone either 9:30-10:00). I just remember the news being on when I came through the door. That one experience shattered any ideology that I had of time, so I know that time is not fixed, and for all intents and purposes doesn't exist.
If time does not exist why is it taking so long to write the article?
QUOTE (PryOpenUr3rdEye @ Jan 18 2008, 03:16 AM)
All time occurs at once, its like viewing a movie through a film reel. The entire movie is there, frozen, in its entirety on the film. But we are experiencing that movie one frame at a time, and in a linear fashion. So there is an "illusion" of time, time has already happened, but we are all witnessing it one bit at a time.
I like that analogy. I don't know that I've even thought of time as "frozen," exactly -- but more like it just is, overlaying everything like a blanket, it doesn't have an aspect of it that has momentum, moving forward or backward. You shouldn't be able to freeze a human embryo // put life in suspended animation in time, conceivably forever // etc if time itself has a moving or passing quality about it. (In fact I've wondered if you should even be able to make recordings -- sound, television, movie, etc -- if time had a moving quality about it, you shouldn't be able to capture more than once the same sounds and sights forever to listen to and watch again and again ...) What, is it one of the Eastern religions that says something to the effect that "The moment is eternal." ?? I suspect that's actually pretty close to the gist of it.
QUOTE (rachelkleypassparrow @ Jan 18 2008, 09:11 AM)
You are correct 'Time in and of itself doesn't exist'. Time is not linear and can be manipulated and warped. I was watching the film 'Fantastic Voyage' where the crew were shrunk down to microscopic size. I told my husband that whatever time they knew outside no longer existed for them giving that they occupied a different space. I told my husband that theoretically, an hour of standard time to them could in fact be much longer, or faster given the dimensions of the miniaturized people in the Proteus. I told my husband that you could say, 'How long is a piece of string?'
Those of you who may have heard me speak about going 26 years into the future to the events of 9/11 and for it to be documented on video in '93/94. Either my husband has moved it, or it has been taken. I will find it and get it converted onto DVD, so you can see and hear for yourself. I was 12 when I saw the events of 9/11. It is a long and complicated story, but basically I was taken 26 years into the future, brought back about 3-4 hours later. (it was 6:30 pm and the clock had gone either 9:30-10:00). I just remember the news being on when I came through the door. That one experience shattered any ideology that I had of time, so I know that time is not fixed, and for all intents and purposes doesn't exist.
Those of you who may have heard me speak about going 26 years into the future to the events of 9/11 and for it to be documented on video in '93/94. Either my husband has moved it, or it has been taken. I will find it and get it converted onto DVD, so you can see and hear for yourself. I was 12 when I saw the events of 9/11. It is a long and complicated story, but basically I was taken 26 years into the future, brought back about 3-4 hours later. (it was 6:30 pm and the clock had gone either 9:30-10:00). I just remember the news being on when I came through the door. That one experience shattered any ideology that I had of time, so I know that time is not fixed, and for all intents and purposes doesn't exist.
Sorry but I have to respectfully disagree with your assumptions.
Time IS linear, and is the playground where the soul resides (local consciousness)
You should aquain yourself with a few NDe experiences.
QUOTE
In that awareness there is no choice, but merely
seeing things as they are—red as red, blue as blue—without any distortion.
In the NDE state, which is peaceful, choicelessly aware, and alert, you will
find that all verbalization, all mentation or intellection has completely
stopped. There is a stillness which is not induced, a stillness in which
the mind is no longer using thought to revive itself, therefore there is
neither the thinker nor the thought. There is neither the experiencer nor
the experienced, because the experiencer and the experienced come into
Consciousness, Thought, and Time
being through the thought process, and the thought process has entirely
stopped. There is only a state of experiencing. In that state of
experiencing, there is no time; all time as yesterday, today, and tomorrow
has completely stopped. If you can go further into it, you will see that
the mind which was the product of time has completely transformed
itself and is now without time; and that which is without time is eternal,
that which is without time is immeasurable, it has no beginning and no
end, it is without cause and therefore without effect—and that which is
without cause is the real. You can experience that now, but not through
centuries of practice, discipline, or control. It must be now or never.
Poona, 7th Public Talk, October 10, 1948
The Collected Works, Vol. V, pp. 137–8
Choiceless Awareness
http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/pdf/ChoicelessAwareness_4.pdf
seeing things as they are—red as red, blue as blue—without any distortion.
In the NDE state, which is peaceful, choicelessly aware, and alert, you will
find that all verbalization, all mentation or intellection has completely
stopped. There is a stillness which is not induced, a stillness in which
the mind is no longer using thought to revive itself, therefore there is
neither the thinker nor the thought. There is neither the experiencer nor
the experienced, because the experiencer and the experienced come into
Consciousness, Thought, and Time
being through the thought process, and the thought process has entirely
stopped. There is only a state of experiencing. In that state of
experiencing, there is no time; all time as yesterday, today, and tomorrow
has completely stopped. If you can go further into it, you will see that
the mind which was the product of time has completely transformed
itself and is now without time; and that which is without time is eternal,
that which is without time is immeasurable, it has no beginning and no
end, it is without cause and therefore without effect—and that which is
without cause is the real. You can experience that now, but not through
centuries of practice, discipline, or control. It must be now or never.
Poona, 7th Public Talk, October 10, 1948
The Collected Works, Vol. V, pp. 137–8
Choiceless Awareness
http://www.jkrishnamurti.org/pdf/ChoicelessAwareness_4.pdf
This linked quote, should help.
The full PDF format link is 32 pages long but well worth the effort to read and introduce yourself to the thinking of J. Krishnamurti.
Blessings
To an immortal being, like god, the devil, yours and my soul Time is not important. In fact time would get in the way.
Time is also not fixed on earth, it is fixed to metabolism. Humans have the same metabolism, more or less, so we perceive time the same.
However turtles do not perceive it the same as us, nor do birds or another other animal whose metabolism is different enough from ours.
The example I have seen on TV, forget the channel, was a building that was blown up.
To us humans the explosive was massive and fast. however the penguins that they showed the explosion was so slow that they were able to get out of the way after the bomb went off. To the turtle it was so fast that it didn't even know it took place. However the turtles metabolism changes with body temp so it's perception of time changes.
So does time exist, I guess it all depends on how you perceive it.
Time is also not fixed on earth, it is fixed to metabolism. Humans have the same metabolism, more or less, so we perceive time the same.
However turtles do not perceive it the same as us, nor do birds or another other animal whose metabolism is different enough from ours.
The example I have seen on TV, forget the channel, was a building that was blown up.
To us humans the explosive was massive and fast. however the penguins that they showed the explosion was so slow that they were able to get out of the way after the bomb went off. To the turtle it was so fast that it didn't even know it took place. However the turtles metabolism changes with body temp so it's perception of time changes.
So does time exist, I guess it all depends on how you perceive it.
Of course time exists! Just look at your watch! 
QUOTE (Shadow09 @ Jan 18 2008, 01:24 PM)
Of course time exists! Just look at your watch!
What watch I don't carry one. I lose them. I guess you can say that I lose time.
I wanted to read this whole thread, but I don't have the time.
I read this thread for the second time since it is time for lunch. I just finished it with a little time to spare to type this reply. It seems like it is taking a lot of time to post your "There is no such thing as time" article. It seems like you are doing a social experiment about how there must not be time since you can't waste it otherwise none of us would have wasted our time posting about an article of tie that doesn't exist because neither does time...if you do that im mad.
QUOTE (Neognosis @ Jan 18 2008, 01:36 PM)
I wanted to read this whole thread, but I don't have the time.
you just have to make the time
me was created for us human, without it we are unable to understand the Universe. time does not exist outside of the Human understanding. I hope you have enough time to understand this. ex. when you leave a dog along he gets desperate because for him that loneliness is permanent, for a dog there is only "now-time" he does not understand past time or future time. I hope you understand my idea...
QUOTE (Drayno @ Jan 18 2008, 08:14 AM)
It would be arrogant to assume that. You prove a strong point. But you also prove that by him stating this, he is arrogant.
QUOTE (danielost @ Jan 18 2008, 12:46 PM)
To an immortal being, like god, the devil, yours and my soul Time is not important. In fact time would get in the way.
Time is also not fixed on earth, it is fixed to metabolism. Humans have the same metabolism, more or less, so we perceive time the same.
However turtles do not perceive it the same as us, nor do birds or another other animal whose metabolism is different enough from ours.
The example I have seen on TV, forget the channel, was a building that was blown up.
To us humans the explosive was massive and fast. however the penguins that they showed the explosion was so slow that they were able to get out of the way after the bomb went off. To the turtle it was so fast that it didn't even know it took place. However the turtles metabolism changes with body temp so it's perception of time changes.
So does time exist, I guess it all depends on how you perceive it.
Time is also not fixed on earth, it is fixed to metabolism. Humans have the same metabolism, more or less, so we perceive time the same.
However turtles do not perceive it the same as us, nor do birds or another other animal whose metabolism is different enough from ours.
The example I have seen on TV, forget the channel, was a building that was blown up.
To us humans the explosive was massive and fast. however the penguins that they showed the explosion was so slow that they were able to get out of the way after the bomb went off. To the turtle it was so fast that it didn't even know it took place. However the turtles metabolism changes with body temp so it's perception of time changes.
So does time exist, I guess it all depends on how you perceive it.
When you die you return to your true essence...that which you are which is outside time.
There is no past, no future,....no time..no cause and effect...it's called infinity, home, heaven.
This is who you are..an infinite being.
Time is needed to imprint memories, so whether you be a human, turtle, horse, dog, tree...whatever...each is part of the whole.
Time is limited to this universe, this playground, but it is not part of what or who you are.
QUOTE (greenboy @ Jan 18 2008, 02:48 PM)
me was created for us human, without it we are unable to understand the Universe. time does not exist outside of the Human understanding. I hope you have enough time to understand this. ex. when you leave a dog along he gets desperate because for him that loneliness is permanent, for a dog there is only "now-time" he does not understand past time or future time. I hope you understand my idea...
Time is not a human invention it's integral to the physical universe whether we were here or not. Also, dogs and just about every animal does have a simple understanding of future and past as they can learn and they can anticipate.
QUOTE (capeo @ Jan 18 2008, 03:23 PM)
Time is not a human invention it's integral to the physical universe whether we were here or not. Also, dogs and just about every animal does have a simple understanding of future and past as they can learn and they can anticipate.
Do you think animals 'understand' that they have learned something though? Time is its essence isn't a human invention, although our understanding of what time is IS a human invention. Time just unfolds everything, it neither creates nor destroys, but helps elaborate the universe's desire to experience everything.
I agreed some animals have an idea about time and future time like the ants. But they were created at the same time like we were so time includes them in our world...
QUOTE (capeo @ Jan 18 2008, 09:23 PM)
Time is not a human invention it's integral to the physical universe whether we were here or not. Also, dogs and just about every animal does have a simple understanding of future and past as they can learn and they can anticipate.
How many times did I edit this post? 100? And now it ended like this... I wasted my time in this time-thread.
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